If NX turns out to be noticeably more powerful than PS4 and X1

I know it's an alt trolling. I always find it more amusing when they devolve further and further into idiocy, when blatantly proven wrong. They just look even more pathetic.

@charizard1605: but they have done that with the wiiu. they actually had to go out of their way to get the tripple core IBM cpu in the wiiu. that CPU is over a decade old and even IBM dont give a toss about it now. nintendo went out of their way to get hardware that, on the face of it, is awkward. its a rubbish CPU by every metric today and even on its release. it was a great CPU for the gamecube (very clever decision then) but not so good now and making it multicore (which is a bolt on..not an inherent part of the design) and adding more cache isnt going to make it much better. it is worse than the PS3 and 360 CPUs and those are bad CPUs also. Note: i know about the superior IPC and so on compared to older CPUs so the GHz doesnt tell the whole story...still not going to make up for its poor performance.

the only reason i can fathom as to why nintendo went that route, and not an APU (which im sure was on the table and at probably a cheaper price for the same performance), was that all their developers were used to that CPU and all their in house tools were geared for it. basically they didnt want to rebuild and relearn everything for a more modern CPU. i still think nintendo are holding out for ARM to be good enough for a console..nintendo know ARM.

so assume nothing. the NX could very well just be 2-3 wiiu MCMs strapped together (this is unlikely mind). going below PS4 or X1 performance is certainly not off the table.

but if it is more powerful: i dont think itll make a huge difference to be honest UNLESS they have a killer title to back it up. the PS4 is the go to console this gen so nintendo, even if they have a significantly more powerful console, will still have to shift the mindset of people.

the PS4 isnt selling the best just becuase its more powerful than the X1. its more powerful, costs the same, or less, has feature parity and sony have sent a very clear message on what it does. when you have 2 products that are essentiually identical, the one that does it better tends to win.

Wait, you're saying that people currently DON'T perceive the Xbox One as a bottom tier console?

Yeah Nintendo was used to it, but the main reason I think was to have full Wii BC. We know they were banking hard on the Wii name, and weren't trying to compete with what Sony and MS put out next after the Ps3 and 360.

That would be the dumbest thing they've ever done because even the Wii and Wii U (minus the U's cpu, but it's not too big a difference) are stronger than consoles that predated them. To release a weaker console than the older consoles that are out, after the Wii U failure? I don't see that happening under any circumstance. Worst of all to use DX10 era hardware and a cpu that's 20 years outdated, I have to give them more credit than that lol.

They're definitely ditching that architecture, there's nothing more they can do with it and even they know it's lacking, Miyamoto said the cpu is lacking for star fox. For NX, assuming 8 cores (seeing how they bothered to make Espresso a tri core to match 360 i'd say it will have 8 cores), it's impossible for them to use a weaker cpu than what's in the PS4, which was under powered itself. Unless they make it worse on purpose. And NX is sure to have more memory, the only question I have is how much gpu power it'll have.

And how powerful the handheld is because if they're going to share games I hope that's as powerful as possible to not hamper the home console too much. Even the handheld will have a better cpu than Wii U's, but a weaker gpu i'm guessing. Wii U graphics at 540p would be nice if that's possible.

@notafanboy: #BLOWS.PS4.AWAY!!

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Personally, I'd swap the mb and cpu with a z170 board and an i7 6700k, maybe even a 980ti instead of an r9 nano. Then again the AMD badging wouldn't make sense. But a sweet little unit nonetheless.

@Shewgenja: I agree. I don't see a benefit to keeping my Xbox One at all. I'm in the process of possibly getting rid of XB1 and getting a PS4 soon.

@andrew01093: If I'm perfectly honest, I think the NX will paint a great big red target on the XBONE forehead. By slashing the price of the Bone the way MS did, Nintendo can't possibly help but think that the XBOX is downright predatory.

We will likely never hear it publicly.. hell, I'd be shocked if Nintendo even mentions the word XBOX in any interviews at all. However, it was not the ps4 that slit the WiiU in the throat. The WiiU was cut short because the XBONE cock blocked it in the second largest world market (the US) going to $350 and bundled with multiple games.

And people are extra crazy if they can't see that MS is pulling PC closer to the Xbox than ever before as a firewall against the inevitable. PS4 is an established juggernaut. Nintendo will have a powerful machine with X86 architecture making it more accessible for the third party than the WiiU is, and that leaves MS heavily invested in a ship they have barely kept afloat up to this point and can't keep exclusives on for anything. A single market console slowly sinking back into the PC waters from whence it came.

Rumour: Nintendo NX Apparently Supports Unreal Engine 4 And Unity At Launch

That's what I think too. they are in a tough spot. Lets see if 3rd party embraces them and makes their games noticeably better so people want that version and have to buy the NX.

My son just purchased a computer from Ibuypower. He got a current generation i7 gtx 970 16gb ddr3,and a 2tb hardrive. He paid around $1300 shipped.

@charizard1605: If Nintendo can get third party support back while also being more powerful then yes Microsoft should worry.

Then why do people even buy new consoles if better visuals isn't a factor? If it comes down to the library of games then wouldn't people just stick with their 360's and PS3's given their game library is still way bigger than both the PS4 and XB1? Also, a lot of games found on the PS4/XB1 with the exception of a few exclusives have also been released for the PS3/360. I'm not saying power is be all, end all, but it is a factor on why people buy new consoles. The Wii is the only time a console succeeded with tech that was a generation behind the competition.

It won't matter for sales. PS4 is too entrenched as the leader for the rest of this generation. And I will believe a Nintendo home console gets full 3rd party support(which matters more than exclusives) when I see it.

Nintendo has always been about value/price as well so I can't see them launching a console that is more expensive than than PS4 or Xbox One. That is what it would take to be more powerful.

Nintendo is dead they have had the same problems for decades.

Definitely see your point but if Nintendo isn't getting the big releases that the other 2 get, Arkham, The Witcher 3, COD, Battlefield/front, Fallout, Elder Scrolls- I don't think that makes them this uber ecosystem giant all of a sudden. The consumer market wants their big releases like AC, COD, Madden, NBA on their console. I don't care how powerful the NX turns out to be. If they don't improve their working relationship with the bulk of the industry it doesn't dominate.

Also is that "non fanboy" going to propose to Mark Cerny or what? LOL

I don't think the NX is going to be anywhere as powerful as it is being hyped up to be. Nintendo has pretty much lost the 3rd party war. However, owning every Nintendo console and Playstation console, Nintendo is light years ahead in terms of gaming. If the Wii U was as powerful as the PS4, it would have dominated and would have taken it's previous title as king of gaming again (which has been removed from Nintendos head since the N64).

They buy new consoles because they tire of their old ones and people like what's new. If you own an Xbox 360, the Xbox One will probably catch your eye. You know that eventually they'll stop making games for the Xbox 360 and that your experience would probably be better on the new one. However they also factor in what games they play and what games their friends were going to be playing on what consoles. The PS4 won the marketing war and thus the tidal waves

What people generally don't give a crap about is that the PS4 is slightly more powerful than the Xbox One, or the PC is more powerful than both. There are many more factors. People won't be flocking to the NX because it's gonna be on par or maybe just a bit more powerful than the PS4 and Xbox One. Way more factors.

There is a reason why the PS4 and Xbox One don't just sell out instantly and everybody who buys a PS3/360 goes and buys the successor. Graphics aren't that important in the long run. It makes for good fanboy wars and Facebook/Twitter hype, but in reality people buy consoles for games, what their friends have, price, and convenience. We've never seen the most powerful console win out on sales. This gen may be the first and that's got a lot more to do with Sony winning the pre-release hype war and gaining a lot of ground sooner while keeping a generally stronger audience.

History has proven that graphics are one of the least defining factors in the decision of somebody buying a console. The victors always are the one that offer the best product that is the best supported, has the best libraries, and is the best value for money. It wasn't until Sony got their shit together did the PS3 start selling. Microsoft is currently getting their asses handed to them because they are not supporting the Xbox One with enough titles to set it apart from the PS4.

You make some good points, but I still think you're underestimating how much nice graphics can help sell a console. I doubt the PS4 would have been selling as well as it has if say it was only 2x more powerful than the PS3/360.

Nothing third party will cater to the lowest denominator.

@lundy86_4: FFS can't you see he is trolling?

Obviously? Dude, this isn't my first rodeo.

@lundy86_4: Then why bother feeding a troll?

Explained at the veeeeery tippy-top of this page.

• Core i7 6700k 4.0GHz
• 16GB DDR4
• Geforce GTX 980 4GB (4.6 Tflops)
• SSD + 2TB HDD

Whats the PS4 have? AMD Jaguar 1.6GHz, 8GB GDDR5 shared, AMD Liverpool GPU (1.8Tflops), 500GB SSD.

Guess how much that build costs? About $1500. Oh no... PS4 can run games at 1080p with 30fps. What can my build do? 2k at 30-60.

All the $2000 PC stuff is annoying.

I have Fallout 4 on PS4... Its a laggy POS.

My PC with a $180 GPU plays Fallout 4 with double the framerate.

$2000?... You could build 3 PC's more powerful than the PS4 with that money.

They need to make it perceived as a "next gen" system compared to PS4/XB1. The problem with the Wii-U, was that people perceived it as closer to the PS3/360.

If they can deliver a console a good bit more powerful than PS4, I think it could take a bite out of the market. If it's some gimmick, and it's weaker than PS4 (or even if it's just barely more powerful)... then it wouldn't be surprising if it flopped like the Wii-U.

The Wii managed just fine as you said. Graphics matter to a point that I'll agree with you on, but you're overestimating their importance. Early console sales come from two sources. Invested gamers and those who buy the hype. Marketing for Sony and Microsoft played a huge rule in the early months of the consoles. It's not necessarily having the best product in those early days, but selling it the best. Sony did that.

Once you have your initial install base, then it's about support and customer satisfaction. This means continued games from 1st and 3rd party as well as not screwing up any aspect of the experience. Sales then beget sales. As people decide their last gen consoles are out of date and they are unable to get the newest games, then they start to buy the consoles their friends have or have won them over with the marking and/or word-of-mouth buzz.

I think if the graphics weren't impressive enough it would dampen some sales, but it wouldn't kill the consoles. As long as there is a noticeable increase over the product a consumer currently has they will probably be satisfied.

Which gpu do you have?

A GTX 960. At 1920x1080 I get 50-60FPS average.

The PS4 version of Fallout 4 is running from 20-25FPS. Horrible, just like many games on the PS4 framerate is a joke, and when it does run at a smooth 30FPS it still not 60FPS. The PS4 is a low end gaming build.

if you sli 4 ps4's it makes for a good PC

Problem with the Wii-U was it is gimmicky and didn't have any of the rock solid Nintendo exclusives people expect. There are some decent games now, but that took for awhile.

The thing is with Nintendo is the Wii didn't sell to gamers, it sold to non-gamers and the dwindling hardcore Nintendo fanbase. The Wii filled up that non-gamer market so the only thin Nintendo had left was that hardcore fanbase, of which they kind of disappointed over and over with the Wii and now the Wii-U.

I'm honestly wondering if a batch of juicy Nintendo franchise exclusives could save the Wii-U or Nintendo in the market. The market is dominated by 3rd party games and Nintendo has, so far, refused to play ball with them. The NX could change that and that may be able to salvage Nintendo's console space.

The PS4 and X1 should of had GPU's atleast twice as powerful in order to pull of 1920x1080 at 30FPS comfortably.

Way too many games with performance issues and they aren't even running at 1920x1080 with all the bells and whistles. Its a joke in all honesty. I don't know how console only gamers can handle it even when its running smooth and steady its still 30FPS.

I don't think the Wii tempted a single 360 or PS3 player to choose the Wii exclusively, and look how many they sold there. They don't try to steal away business as much as everyone thinks they do.

Cool. I'm trying to decide between the 390x and the 970. Leaning towards the 390x because I game in 1440p and it seems to do better than the 970 at that resolution.

Is it a console? Is it a handheld? I highly doubt that it will be more powerful than PS4 because they almost certainly will include some gimmick that would make it price prohibitive.

If anything, the NX may cut into the PS4's Japanese market but overall, I don't see a significant threat to either console..

Nintendo will be in a weird place where if the console is more powerful than the PS4 and Xbox One, it still will have a relatively small amount of games at launch thanks to questionable 3rd party support.. So despite a power advantage, the PS4 and Xbox One will have a definitive advantage in terms of game library.. And by the time, the NX potentially hits it's stride in terms of library, the PS5 and new Xbox will be announced/released which puts the NX back in Wii U territory in terms of power..

Nintendo is going to be off cycle with the other two consoles and I'm not very confident that it's going to be a good thing for them.. But Nintendo is known for surprises, so at the very least it's going to be interesting..