If PC gaming dies=ATI&Nvidia Die=consoles die

90% of GPUs are sold to gamers...Those R600 and G70 that are in the 360 and PS3 are the result of development that was fuelled by PC gaming ethusiasts and PC gamers in general...

The professional GPUs like Quadro etc are pathetic at gaming and dont push the development and progress of hardware since they are sold in bulk to corporations...

So console fanboys beware before wishing the death of PC gaming cause there wont be a R900 G100 to make Xbox3 or PS4... 

sure they will the developers of those chips will just work primarily for consoles instead of pc's duh there in it to make money. if you cant sell cupcakes sell muffins fool.....THE_G_BEAR

hahahahaha! 

sure they will the developers of those chips will just work primarily for consoles instead of pc's duh there in it to make money. if you cant sell cupcakes sell muffins fool.....THE_G_BEAR

Created one chipset and selling it off in mass is 10x less profit tha nthe current system. 

My friend has a high end Quadro GPU and it runs games pretty well.... PC gaming is far from dead, in fact I see the opposite, it's just some console fanboys really do wish that PC gaming would die and that's just sad.

I mean I can go to my local Wal-Mart and the PC gaming section is just as large as the Xbox 360, Wii, and PS3 sections combined. (To the console fanboys) Sure looks like PC gaming is dying :roll:

sure they will the developers of those chips will just work primarily for consoles instead of pc's duh there in it to make money. if you cant sell cupcakes sell muffins fool.....THE_G_BEAR

Hmm selling a $600 GPU every 6 months vs selling $150 GPU every 5 years

I cant decide...which one is more profitable in your opinion? 

Then, Microsoft will buy ATI. U Phail :Pnonsoville2

And burn money by developing GPUs to sell to none? :lol: 

[QUOTE="nonsoville2"]Then, Microsoft will buy ATI. U Phail :PTrue_Gamer_

And burn money by developing GPUs to sell to none? :lol:

 

well thats pretty obvious the $150 gpu every 5 years.  Console sells far out weigh the sell of gpu cards.  that comparison is similar to the wii and ps3.  For example wii being a console wiht a lesser card cheaper, but sells way more, much mor eprofitable vs ps3 the pc hypothetically speaking selling fewer numbers with less profits.  So which is more profitable in your opinion? 

[QUOTE="THE_G_BEAR"]sure they will the developers of those chips will just work primarily for consoles instead of pc's duh there in it to make money. if you cant sell cupcakes sell muffins fool.....True_Gamer_

Hmm selling a $600 GPU every 6 months vs selling $150 GPU every 5 years

I cant decide...which one is more profitable in your opinion?

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="nonsoville2"]Then, Microsoft will buy ATI. U Phail :PTHE_G_BEAR

And burn money by developing GPUs to sell to none? :lol:

 

well thats pretty obvious the $150 gpu every 5 years. Console sells far out weigh the sell of gpu cards. that comparison is similar to the wii and ps3. For example wii being a console wiht a lesser card cheaper, but sells way more, much mor eprofitable vs ps3 the pc hypothetically speaking selling fewer numbers with less profits. So which is more profitable in your opinion?

[QUOTE="THE_G_BEAR"]sure they will the developers of those chips will just work primarily for consoles instead of pc's duh there in it to make money. if you cant sell cupcakes sell muffins fool.....True_Gamer_

Hmm selling a $600 GPU every 6 months vs selling $150 GPU every 5 years

I cant decide...which one is more profitable in your opinion?

If ATI is making $50 on each Xenos and making $400 on each HD2900XT how many Xenos does it have to sell to break even? Also the Xenos GPU will get depreciated while a new GPU every 6 months will keep it price high...

[QUOTE="THE_G_BEAR"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="nonsoville2"]Then, Microsoft will buy ATI. U Phail :PTrue_Gamer_

And burn money by developing GPUs to sell to none? :lol:

 

well thats pretty obvious the $150 gpu every 5 years. Console sells far out weigh the sell of gpu cards. that comparison is similar to the wii and ps3. For example wii being a console wiht a lesser card cheaper, but sells way more, much mor eprofitable vs ps3 the pc hypothetically speaking selling fewer numbers with less profits. So which is more profitable in your opinion?

[QUOTE="THE_G_BEAR"]sure they will the developers of those chips will just work primarily for consoles instead of pc's duh there in it to make money. if you cant sell cupcakes sell muffins fool.....True_Gamer_

Hmm selling a $600 GPU every 6 months vs selling $150 GPU every 5 years

I cant decide...which one is more profitable in your opinion?

If ATI is making $50 on each Xenos and making $400 on each HD2900XT how many Xenos does it have to sell to break even? Also the Xenos GPU will get depreciated while a new GPU every 6 months will keep it price high...

First things first, if they are supposedly making $50 per xenos card they have already broke even, when you make money thats called profit, secondly there is no link to support these figures that you have presented, so in conclusion you phail. 

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="THE_G_BEAR"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="nonsoville2"]Then, Microsoft will buy ATI. U Phail :PTHE_G_BEAR

And burn money by developing GPUs to sell to none? :lol:

 

well thats pretty obvious the $150 gpu every 5 years. Console sells far out weigh the sell of gpu cards. that comparison is similar to the wii and ps3. For example wii being a console wiht a lesser card cheaper, but sells way more, much mor eprofitable vs ps3 the pc hypothetically speaking selling fewer numbers with less profits. So which is more profitable in your opinion?

[QUOTE="THE_G_BEAR"]sure they will the developers of those chips will just work primarily for consoles instead of pc's duh there in it to make money. if you cant sell cupcakes sell muffins fool.....True_Gamer_

Hmm selling a $600 GPU every 6 months vs selling $150 GPU every 5 years

I cant decide...which one is more profitable in your opinion?

If ATI is making $50 on each Xenos and making $400 on each HD2900XT how many Xenos does it have to sell to break even? Also the Xenos GPU will get depreciated while a new GPU every 6 months will keep it price high...

First things first, if they are supposedly making $50 per xenos card they have already broke even, when you make money thats called profit, secondly there is no link to support these figures that you have presented, so in conclusion you phail.

Hmmm a $600 card every 6 months which keeps the price at $600 vs A $150 Xenos that drops in price horribly in 5 years... 

PC gaming and console gamong are two separate factions and nobidy should compare the 2. hazuki87

Trugamer, a thread like this brings out all the haters of the PC, why are you exposing our precious system to the dogs?? :)

Why anyone would want the PC to die is legally insane. It's THE  pioneer in the gaming and technology industry, it drives everything. PC is on a whole different level and that's not a knock against console gaming, it's just different. Lastly, I highly doubt  any mature console gamer would ever want the PC to die, maybe immature little kiddies, but not grown adults.   

If Microsoft buys ATi, don't they buy AMD along with it?FinalEvil

Not according to xbox.com with the sign up sheet showing PC under console, console is jsut a word, all gaming systems compete, thats the end of that. 

Thye sell a lot to gamers but that's not only it. If it happened Nvidia/ATI would suffer but not totally die, they'd still make cards.tegovoltio

not really...ATI really only has a market in Gaming cards.....Nvidia does make some desktop cards, but is tiny compared to Intel. 

The demand for more and more powerful cards creates a demand for more powerful and stronger hardware. If GPU developers no longer need to provide this hardware, there would be a noticeable slowdown in the advancement of graphical technology considering consoles are only released a few times each decade as apposed to annually released GPUs.

Just my speculation on the 'what if' situation, although I don't see PC gaming going anywhere. If one platform does fail, it will probably be home consoles based on the fact that they're practically turning into computers.

90% of GPUs are sold to gamers...Those R600 and G70 that are in the 360 and PS3 are the result of development that was fuelled by PC gaming ethusiasts and PC gamers in general...

The professional GPUs like Quadro etc are pathetic at gaming and dont push the development and progress of hardware since they are sold in bulk to corporations...

So console fanboys beware before wishing the death of PC gaming cause there wont be a R900 G100 to make Xbox3 or PS4...

True_Gamer_

[QUOTE="FinalEvil"]If Microsoft buys ATi, don't they buy AMD along with it?Meu2k7

Not according to xbox.com with the sign up sheet showing PC under console, console is jsut a word, all gaming systems compete, thats the end of that.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

90% of GPUs are sold to gamers...Those R600 and G70 that are in the 360 and PS3 are the result of development that was fuelled by PC gaming ethusiasts and PC gamers in general...

The professional GPUs like Quadro etc are pathetic at gaming and dont push the development and progress of hardware since they are sold in bulk to corporations...

So console fanboys beware before wishing the death of PC gaming cause there wont be a R900 G100 to make Xbox3 or PS4...

gnutux

90% of GPUs are sold to gamers...Those R600 and G70 that are in the 360 and PS3 are the result of development that was fuelled by PC gaming ethusiasts and PC gamers in general...

The professional GPUs like Quadro etc are pathetic at gaming and dont push the development and progress of hardware since they are sold in bulk to corporations...

So console fanboys beware before wishing the death of PC gaming cause there wont be a R900 G100 to make Xbox3 or PS4...

True_Gamer_

[QUOTE="gnutux"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

90% of GPUs are sold to gamers...Those R600 and G70 that are in the 360 and PS3 are the result of development that was fuelled by PC gaming ethusiasts and PC gamers in general...

The professional GPUs like Quadro etc are pathetic at gaming and dont push the development and progress of hardware since they are sold in bulk to corporations...

So console fanboys beware before wishing the death of PC gaming cause there wont be a R900 G100 to make Xbox3 or PS4...

Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="gnutux"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

90% of GPUs are sold to gamers...Those R600 and G70 that are in the 360 and PS3 are the result of development that was fuelled by PC gaming ethusiasts and PC gamers in general...

The professional GPUs like Quadro etc are pathetic at gaming and dont push the development and progress of hardware since they are sold in bulk to corporations...

So console fanboys beware before wishing the death of PC gaming cause there wont be a R900 G100 to make Xbox3 or PS4...

gnutux

[QUOTE="gnutux"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="gnutux"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

90% of GPUs are sold to gamers...Those R600 and G70 that are in the 360 and PS3 are the result of development that was fuelled by PC gaming ethusiasts and PC gamers in general...

The professional GPUs like Quadro etc are pathetic at gaming and dont push the development and progress of hardware since they are sold in bulk to corporations...

So console fanboys beware before wishing the death of PC gaming cause there wont be a R900 G100 to make Xbox3 or PS4...

Vandalvideo

The topic is superflous.

The only way PC gaming will dissapear is if PCs dissapear. That is not going to happen in our modern society.

As long as there are PCs, there will be games on them. As long as there are games, people will try and make money from them. 

The topic is superflous.

The only way PC gaming will dissapear is if PCs dissapear. That is not going to happen in our modern society.

As long as there are PCs, there will be games on them. As long as there are games, people will try and make money from them.

Danm_999

Yes but you have to think that if the hardware evolves too much the PC may no longer be backwards compatible. Also if the big companies are their to push the hardware PC's might actually be able to do HD. 

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

The topic is superflous.

The only way PC gaming will dissapear is if PCs dissapear. That is not going to happen in our modern society.

As long as there are PCs, there will be games on them. As long as there are games, people will try and make money from them.

Dencore

Yes but you have to think that if the hardware evolves too much the PC may no longer be backwards compatible. Also if the big companies are their to push the hardware PC's might actually be able to do HD.

Yes, SuperCharged is a silly fellow. 

Ati is owned by AMD...thus if PC gaming died they would be fine..

The topic is superflous.

The only way PC gaming will dissapear is if PCs dissapear. That is not going to happen in our modern society.

As long as there are PCs, there will be games on them. As long as there are games, people will try and make money from them. 

Danm_999

Example: For all we know the next blackberry is going to be able to do everything modern PC's can do except for run games and would retail for $600, but would include a POS integrated graphics card. It would come with a "base" that would include a monitor, and wireless keyboard and mouse. That alone would all but kill PC gaming. Will that happen? Probably not but for all we know some guy is about to invent some crazy new way of doing things.

[QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

The topic is superflous.

The only way PC gaming will dissapear is if PCs dissapear. That is not going to happen in our modern society.

As long as there are PCs, there will be games on them. As long as there are games, people will try and make money from them.

Danm_999

Yes but you have to think that if the hardware evolves too much the PC may no longer be backwards compatible. Also if the big companies are their to push the hardware PC's might actually be able to do HD.

Yes, SuperCharged is a silly fellow.

Kind of reminds me of other people quotes. Like some fellows at the General Game Discussion Board.

"Halo 1 didn't have multiplayer"

"Halo 1 wasn't known for multiplay while Far Cry was"

"You cannot proove that Halo's Xbox version is more known and popular then the PC version"

"2D gaming is overall totally inferior to 3D, that's why it's dead it's called natural progression"

"Ever JRPG plays just like it did 20 years ago they really haven't changed"

"FPS's didn't become popular or known to the casual consumers until the debut of the Xbox" 

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

The topic is superflous.

The only way PC gaming will dissapear is if PCs dissapear. That is not going to happen in our modern society.

As long as there are PCs, there will be games on them. As long as there are games, people will try and make money from them. 

pundog

Example: For all we know the next blackberry is going to be able to do everything modern PC's can do except for run games and would retail for $600, but would include a POS integrated graphics card. It would come with a "base" that would include a monitor, and wireless keyboard and mouse. That alone would all but kill PC gaming. Will that happen? Probably not but for all we know some guy is about to invent some crazy new way of doing things.

Lol...no...companies sell 200mln PCs each year, how many units blackberry shifts? A petite ammount compaed to that 

90% of GPUs are sold to gamers...Those R600 and G70 that are in the 360 and PS3 are the result of development that was fuelled by PC gaming ethusiasts and PC gamers in general...

The professional GPUs like Quadro etc are pathetic at gaming and dont push the development and progress of hardware since they are sold in bulk to corporations...

So console fanboys beware before wishing the death of PC gaming cause there wont be a R900 G100 to make Xbox3 or PS4... 

True_Gamer_

This is truly a stupid thread. First of all PC gaming will never die, how hard is it to wrap you mind around this concept? As I wrote in number of other threads, even if major game developers stop developing games for PC all at once (which will only happen when hell freezes over) there will still be enthusiasts, hobbyists and indie developers who will still develop games for the love of it. It is absolutely stupid to even debate death of PC gaming as not every soul on this planet who wants to develop games can get a job at a major game company or spend $20-30k on console dev kits.

Secondly lets assume PC gaming died, ATI and Nvidia will still make their graphics card but for consoles and since PC gaming is dead all those former PC gamers or those who would have turned to PCs for their gaming experience will now turn to consoles and the more consoles sell, more graphic cards are needed. It is true that these graphic card manufacturers will not produce as many varieties of graphic cards as they would if there was PC gaming but it doesn't mean they will stop producing them or go out of business, they will most likely change their business model.

I would also like to point out that not every graphic designer, artist or video editor works for a corporation and buys expensive professional GPUs, many freelancers and contractors use standard gaming graphic cards for their day to day work.

Graphic cards are also used in many other fields such as scientific and construction. To say if PC gaming dies it will be end of all gaming is just as ridicules to say PC gaming will die.

[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

The topic is superflous.

The only way PC gaming will dissapear is if PCs dissapear. That is not going to happen in our modern society.

As long as there are PCs, there will be games on them. As long as there are games, people will try and make money from them. 

AdrianWerner

Example: For all we know the next blackberry is going to be able to do everything modern PC's can do except for run games and would retail for $600, but would include a POS integrated graphics card. It would come with a "base" that would include a monitor, and wireless keyboard and mouse. That alone would all but kill PC gaming. Will that happen? Probably not but for all we know some guy is about to invent some crazy new way of doing things.

Lol...no...companies sell 200mln PCs each year, how many units blackberry shifts? A petite ammount compaed to that 

[QUOTE="THE_G_BEAR"]sure they will the developers of those chips will just work primarily for consoles instead of pc's duh there in it to make money. if you cant sell cupcakes sell muffins fool.....True_Gamer_

Hmm selling a $600 GPU every 6 months vs selling $150 GPU every 5 years

I cant decide...which one is more profitable in your opinion?

When the $150 GPU market is 150+ million every five years...

Do we have any actual sales data on high-end cards? 

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

The topic is superflous.

The only way PC gaming will dissapear is if PCs dissapear. That is not going to happen in our modern society.

As long as there are PCs, there will be games on them. As long as there are games, people will try and make money from them.

pundog

Example: For all we know the next blackberry is going to be able to do everything modern PC's can do except for run games and would retail for $600, but would include a POS integrated graphics card. It would come with a "base" that would include a monitor, and wireless keyboard and mouse. That alone would all but kill PC gaming. Will that happen? Probably not but for all we know some guy is about to invent some crazy new way of doing things.

The other scenario is where competing products kill the practicality of the PC I generally disregard, as they become so similar to the PC they are in fact a PC. 

I do not say PC gaming will never die, I say PC gaming will never die while the PC is around. Even during the massive video game crash in the 1980s, PC gaming did not implode. 

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

The topic is superflous.

The only way PC gaming will dissapear is if PCs dissapear. That is not going to happen in our modern society.

As long as there are PCs, there will be games on them. As long as there are games, people will try and make money from them. 

pundog

Example: For all we know the next blackberry is going to be able to do everything modern PC's can do except for run games and would retail for $600, but would include a POS integrated graphics card. It would come with a "base" that would include a monitor, and wireless keyboard and mouse. That alone would all but kill PC gaming. Will that happen? Probably not but for all we know some guy is about to invent some crazy new way of doing things.

Lol...no...companies sell 200mln PCs each year, how many units blackberry shifts? A petite ammount compaed to that 

I doubt people would switch to cell phones ...really :) Yes..to say say PC gaming could never die is a rediculous statement, but to say consoles could never die would be even more ridiculus one 

And pc devs won't jump to consoles, most of them can't and never will. There's no place for small/medium independent devs in console gaming, while in PCgaming those devs form majority of pc dev community 

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

90% of GPUs are sold to gamers...Those R600 and G70 that are in the 360 and PS3 are the result of development that was fuelled by PC gaming ethusiasts and PC gamers in general...

The professional GPUs like Quadro etc are pathetic at gaming and dont push the development and progress of hardware since they are sold in bulk to corporations...

So console fanboys beware before wishing the death of PC gaming cause there wont be a R900 G100 to make Xbox3 or PS4...

saspool

This is truly a stupid thread. First of all PC gaming will never die, how hard is it to wrap you mind around this concept? As I wrote in number of other threads, even if major game developers stop developing games for PC all at once (which will only happen when hell freezes over) there will still be enthusiasts, hobbyists and indie developers who will still develop games for the love of it. It is absolutely stupid to even debate death of PC gaming as not every soul on this planet who wants to develop games can get a job at a major game company or spend $20-30k on console dev kits.

Secondly lets assume PC gaming died, ATI and Nvidia will still make their graphics card but for consoles and since PC gaming is dead all those former PC gamers or those who would have turned to PCs for their gaming experience will now turn to consoles and the more consoles sell, more graphic cards are needed. It is true that these graphic card manufacturers will not produce as many varieties of graphic cards as they would if there was PC gaming but it doesn't mean they will stop producing them or go out of business, they will most likely change their business model.

I would also like to point out that not every graphic designer, artist or video editor works for a corporation and buys expensive professional GPUs, many freelancers and contractors use standard gaming graphic cards for their day to day work.

Graphic cards are also used in many other fields such as scientific and construction. To say if PC gaming dies it will be end of all gaming is just as ridicules to say PC gaming will die.

You accuse me of saying that PC gaming is dying?  Me?

Anyway my point is that the GPU industry would recieve a huge blow and advanced GPUs would have gone the way of the dinosaurs...

Do you seriously believe that the $150 from Xenos can fuel RD of insane gaming GPUs? The same way as $400-$600 cards do?