If Scorpio fails, is Xbox done this gen?

Yeah, exactly.

But I'd say no matter how well Scorpio sells, Sony fanboys (and some in the media) will still say it "flopped" or "failed" or whatever rubbish they'll spew out & that this must mean that this will be "the end of Xbox", even though Phil has said they're already planning for the next console.

@ronvalencia:

I saw that. So, Zhuge is the source. Fine then. If you draw the line, you'll see that Xbone is under 30 mil SHIPPED and PS4 is now +60 mil. SHIPPED. And as i said, MS would scream out lout how Xbone is oupacing X360 like they said almost year and a half ago and which isn't the case now. MS really need a good news about Xbone sales, not about MAU's. Logic sense. So, they're under X360 globally. And X360 surpassed 30 mil. SHIPPED in May 2009.

I haven't made "30 million shipped" assertion in this topic.

My argument is XBO has slightly better than X360's sales pace and XBO didn't exploit Wii U's failure.

@mowgly1 said:

And as i said, MS would scream out lout how Xbone is oupacing X360, which isn't the case. Logic sense.

That's your narrative.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4013705-advanced-micro-devices-amd-lisa-su-q3-2016-results-earnings-call-transcript

Lisa Su: record semi custom sales

For AMD's POV

PS4 displaced Wii.

XBO slightly better than Xbox 360 sales pace.

Result: record semi-custom sales.

It has been "done" for months now.

They will fear that $360 minimum price tag. At that price a Parent is better off buying their kid a full featured tablet.

They need a cheaper Switch Mini for the little kids.

@emgesp: They wont find a cheap tablet that can play Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Minecraft, etc. Plus most kids will get both anyways. And they will get a Switch Mini, like ive been saying since day one. Youll swing around once again like always mate, you always do.

They have Minecraft for both Android and iOS devices. There is also Super Mario Run and Pokemon Go available as well. I'm also pretty sure Nintendo has some new mobile games in the works.

@emgesp: Which don't run on cheap tablets and phones, so your point is still mute. Not only that, but they aren't the same, those games play very different.

Polls have spoken. Xbox One needs Scorpio or they're done.

Yes because system wars polls means something in the real world......ROFLMAO.

lol all hail gamespot

No, but needing a half-gen upgrade in order to catch up with the sales of the first XBox is.

R O F... oh, you know the rest.

Oh and here I thought he was talking about the Polish people? lolol :P

Oh hey, that reminds me, anyone know what happen to our Polish friend... Salt the Fries?

The benefit alone for 1080p gaming and forward thinking of hdmi 2.1 and game vrr mode and when jumping to 4k later on, Scorpio is win/success in my book.

Also, im surprised that Scorpio is reaching a wide audience at markets i wasnt expecting. Most likely to younger kids keeping parents informed of scorpio coming this winter. Amazed at how many parents have been asking me about scorpio at work, not surpassing nintendo switch as thats the go to system in elementary k-5. But surprised to hear chatter about scorpio from some of the students and parents.

Dude, Xbone is under X360. You showed the Zhuge's charts, now you desperately changing the story. LOL

They will easily run on most $100 - $150 tablets on the market today. They playing different is irrelevant to kids who have no prior history with other Nintendo products. For a lot of them Super Mario Run will be their introduction to the Mario franchise.

@emgesp: Which $150 tablet, ill check it.

Scorpio is not going to sell huge numbers. It is a premium product that is not targeting the average consumer. For people that want better quality and performance and don't mind spending extra, they will get a Scorpio. Otherwise, people will continue to buy XB1 S. It is up to MS to generate enough interest in the Xbox/MS brand with exclusives on both Xbox consoles and PC. MS is making the right moves. Now, they just have to deliver on content. We will see how that pans out going forward.

You haven't properly countered Daniel Ahmad's chart.

From Daniel Ahmad's chart, XBO is slightly better than Xbox 360.

2005, 2 months

2006, 12 months

2007, 12 months

2008, 12 months

2009, 5 months

~43 months for Xbox 360 and https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-360-sales-top-30-million-microsoft/1100-6210405/

Daniel Ahmad's XBO chart stops at ~37th month.

From 1st to 37th month, XBO is tracking Xbox 360 shipment.

You are desperately changing the story. LOL

Fire HD 8 is one example. That is actually less than $150.

@emgesp: Eww, thats a pretty shitty tablet.

Not for the price it isn't. Its no IPAD, but it works great for general use and most games. The point was those games don't require powerful tablets. That tablet has a 4.5/5 star rating out of 32,000 reviews.

I dont think price is a contributor to failure so I believe this poll is flawed. I own every console out there and I will continue to buy them no matter the price. I'm sure there is quite a few people like me. There is also the point where MS says that all of scorpio's games will be playable on the xb1 so it's not a new console launch as it is an upgrade to those diehard fans like me who want one. If sony comes out with a true 4k console I'll buy that too.

they are not selling as well as PS4, but that doesn't mean they are not selling at all. They are doing well and it's Microsoft - they are not exactly going to run out of money

They're already done. There's no way to catch up unless the fill E3 with new ips that don't suck and release Scorpio for about or less than a pro. They've got three years tops. I don't see it happening.

Never know.

Scorpio needs the same thing the XB1S needs to be successful, highly rated games. We'll see if MS has a clue at E3.

Of course not. People/haters love to pretend that X1 is a failure, but it's selling more or less as much as the 360/PS3 last gen. Anything compared to PS4 will look like a failure, that's the point.

It won't sink them. They will just try again on the next Xbox, however, their long term goals are for a unified gaming platform that will run the games on any of their hardware options, being regular console, super console, or Windows PC platforms. The only problem with this is that they need games to draw in the peeps. I mean they get all these multiplatform games, but they need exclusives that people can't get elsewhere. That's what will kill them in the gaming industry, not the hardware platforms.

Xbox Scorpio is effectively "Windows 10 S" Surface Gaming.

Windows 10 S = Windows Store only software distribution installation.

@ronvalencia: Windows 10 S is a joke. They're trying to sell you on security, but they could just as easily provide a setting in vanilla Windows to restrict installs that aren't signed from the store. Just like Mac does (or do they already have it?... in which case, what's the point?)

It's a plot to drive engagement with the Windows Store. Either developers have to list their items in the store, or people will be driven to Microsoft's competing services (Groove Music, for example).

Windows 10 S competes against low cost ChromeOS.

The people have spoken. Scorpio needs to sell at least 60 million or microsoft is out of the market.

Well I think the major issue Microsoft focusing on the Scorpio instead of focusing on games and pushing the Xbox 1S. It's the same problem with the Pro. Both are not needed. If anything, this should be a longer gen.

These mid-cycle, half-next gen machines are a waste imo. It's one thing to do a slim redesign, it's an entirely other issue to do a Scorpio or Pro machine.

@ronvalencia: No, the low-end machines do, but the top tier Surface Laptop is a $2200 machine with an i7, 16GB... and Windows 10 S.

But you don't have to upgrade if you don't want too... I think it's a good thing that they are available for those that want them. That's the good thing about them doing it this way, all are backwards/forwards compatible.

I dunno but Microsoft seems more interested in getting rid of it since XBO games can be had on the PC through Xbox app... so I guess it is a matter of time before they give up and make their 4 years old idea of only digital will finally come true... on PC.

Mobile i7 has a premium.

@ronvalencia said:

@mowgly1 said:

@ronvalencia said:

@mowgly1 said:

@ronvalencia:

I saw that. So, Zhuge is the source. Fine. If you draw the line, you'll see that Xbone is under 30 mil SHIPPED and PS4 is now +60 mil. SHIPPED.

I haven't made "30 million shipped" assertion in this topic.

My argument is XBO has slightly better than X360's sales pace and XBO didn't exploit Wii U's failure.

@mowgly1 said:

And as i said, MS would scream out lout how Xbone is oupacing X360, which isn't the case. Logic sense.

That's your narrative.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4013705-advanced-micro-devices-amd-lisa-su-q3-2016-results-earnings-call-transcript

Lisa Su: record semi custom sales

For AMD's POV

PS4 displaced Wii.

XBO slightly better than Xbox 360 sales pace.

Result: record semi-custom sales.

Dude, Xbone is under X360. You showed the Zhuge's charts, now you desperately changing the story. LOL

You haven't properly countered Daniel Ahmad's chart.

From Daniel Ahmad's chart, XBO is slightly better than Xbox 360.

2005, 2 months

2006, 12 months

2007, 12 months

2008, 12 months

2009, 5 months

~43 months for Xbox 360 and https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-360-sales-top-30-million-microsoft/1100-6210405/

Daniel Ahmad's XBO chart stops at ~37th month.

From 1st to 37th month, XBO is tracking Xbox 360 shipment.

You are desperately changing the story. LOL

Nice try.

X360 launch November 25th 2005.

Xbone launch November 22nd 2013.

And your calculation is 43 months but same-time frame but they didn't say that at all in gamespot's link. LOL!

@mowgly1 said:

@ronvalencia said:

@mowgly1 said:

@ronvalencia said:

I haven't made "30 million shipped" assertion in this topic.

My argument is XBO has slightly better than X360's sales pace and XBO didn't exploit Wii U's failure.

@mowgly1 said:

And as i said, MS would scream out lout how Xbone is oupacing X360, which isn't the case. Logic sense.

That's your narrative.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4013705-advanced-micro-devices-amd-lisa-su-q3-2016-results-earnings-call-transcript

Lisa Su: record semi custom sales

For AMD's POV

PS4 displaced Wii.

XBO slightly better than Xbox 360 sales pace.

Result: record semi-custom sales.

Dude, Xbone is under X360. You showed the Zhuge's charts, now you desperately changing the story. LOL

You haven't properly countered Daniel Ahmad's chart.

From Daniel Ahmad's chart, XBO is slightly better than Xbox 360.

2005, 2 months

2006, 12 months

2007, 12 months

2008, 12 months

2009, 5 months

~43 months for Xbox 360 and https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-360-sales-top-30-million-microsoft/1100-6210405/

Daniel Ahmad's XBO chart stops at ~37th month.

From 1st to 37th month, XBO is tracking Xbox 360 shipment.

You are desperately changing the story. LOL

Nice try.

X360 launch November 25th 2005.

Xbone launch November 22nd 2013.

And your calculation is 43 months but same-time frame but they didn't say that at all in gamespot's link. LOL!

Last updated by Gamespot Staff on May 30, 2009 at 1:52PM

Today, Microsoft announced that total sales for the Xbox 360 have surpassed the 30-million-unit marker, a feat accomplished three and a half years after the system launched in November 200 -Gamespot.

Gaming is a multi billion dollar industry and growing. Microsoft will always want a piece of that pie. No way in hell they get out of the business.

They have already doubled their money on Minecraft alone. They are not even close to being done.