If Sony downgrades the NGP specs, will you not buy it?

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#1 ChiefFreeman
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IF the rumors are true, I'm not interested in it anymore. The video ram being halved is especially disappointing. How expensive can an extra 128 megabytes be? Forget being cost effective like Nintendo, Sony. That's not your thing. You're about cutting edge technology.

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#2 savebattery
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My interest in the system has never been dependent upon its technical specifications. Obviously the higher the specs the better, but not at the expense of battery life or cost. Ultimately my interest will be determined by the same thing that determines my interest in every other system: games.
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#3 Blue-Sky
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I disagree.

SONY needs to reduce the price as much as possible.

You need to look at game development costs. Even if the NGP was a powerful as the PS3, you think most companies are going to spend that much on a handheld game? Most of those specs would of gone to waste.

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#4 JohnF111
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They are rumoured to have halved the RAM which is every developers main concern and Sony are just flat going against it, i don't want more games that 90% of the time is invested in optimisation just to make it halfway playable... I would have felt better if Sony cut back on a different area or just gave us the handheld for a measly $35 more, can't be too expensive for 256mb RAM surely these days.
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#5 Nintendo_Ownes7
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I didn't really care about the specs it is a handheld.

If it has games that interest me then of course I will purchase it.

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#6 Giancar
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I doubt people are seeking power in handhelds...
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#7 KarateeeChop
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it's too typical of sony to lie about system specs in the beginning and call it a "slight downgrade" later on. it was exactly what they did with the ps3.

but that's okay, because their fanbase seems to be fine with that. :)

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It definitely hurts my interest in it if they only have 256 MB of Ram. Ram is F'ing cheap, and that is pretty disgustingly low.
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#9 SakusEnvoy
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I didn't care about the specs. The possibility of the NGP being $250 is a big deal and may, depending on support from other developers, save the system in the competition against Nintendo.

A very wise move from Sony.

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#10 Nintendo_Ownes7
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It definitely hurts my interest in it if they only have 256 MB of Ram. Ram is F'ing cheap, and that is pretty disgustingly low. DerekLoffin
The 3DS only has 128MB but I think only 96MB is reserved for games that is enough for a handheld.

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#11 p3anut
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lol pathetic excuse. It's the games that matter not specs.

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#12 spookykid143
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I care about the games not the specs.

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[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]It definitely hurts my interest in it if they only have 256 MB of Ram. Ram is F'ing cheap, and that is pretty disgustingly low. Nintendo_Ownes7

The 3DS only has 128MB but I think only 96MB is reserved for games that is enough for a handheld.

And I think 3DS is a grossly overpriced and underpowered... well you get the idea. I'd never even consider buying it at 250. 150 would be the spot where I might start considering it. Beyond that, really, these things have to be more than game systems. There are competing systems coming out practically yearly that will very likely exceed the specs of NGP graphically very shortly, but also feature a host of other functions on top of that, that it is hard for me to justify investing a good chunk of change on something that is sporting such limiting capacities. I might let them off if the price gap was huge, but 256 megs is antiquated tech now. I said in another thread on this, you can get 4 gigs of mobile memory for 50 retail. You work that out and it would be a couple dollars difference between a still limited but still I think okay 512 and 256.
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[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]It definitely hurts my interest in it if they only have 256 MB of Ram. Ram is F'ing cheap, and that is pretty disgustingly low. Nintendo_Ownes7

The 3DS only has 128MB but I think only 96MB is reserved for games that is enough for a handheld.

128mb dedicated & another extra 32mb for OS. so 2 fast 64mb chips & one slow 32mb chip.& no I don't care because this is a handheld & devs aren't going to spend the money to make the most out of that kind of hardware on a handheld anyway so whats the point? It already shows on the DS that not many companies want to dish out the cash for optimization. Only company trying in that respect from what I've seen is Capcom & Shin'en

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Obviously the more memory the better but 256mb should be more then enough to make great looking games for a handheld console.

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#16 GojiMaster
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sounds like it won't be much better than 3ds after all. no, I would never buy ngp even if it had good specs. I already have a ps3 and a 3ds and an ipod touch... no need for more

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#17 osan0
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as other have mentioned its about the games. if hardware is that important to you then your in the wrong hobby. get a phone or a good laptop or a tablet or something. new ones of those release every year so they were always going to outclass the NGP hardware wise sooner or later. if the NGP has good games then ill buy it. it looks like a vast improvemnt over the PSP and looks like it could be a very kewl device to play games on. an exclusive monster hunter for it would certainly make it a very tempting buy for me :).
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#18 Half-Way
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there are many problems the NGP has to face if they want to go up against the 3DS.

the 3rd party support needs to be better, just look at the battle between the DS and the PSP. what is its main selling point going to be? they cant go for the graphic wh**e market if its weaker in terms of visuals.

and even on the exclusive front there are going to be some problems, especially if monster hunter becomes multiplat.

3DS will have pokemon.. what happens if they get monster hunter too?

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#19 1PMrFister
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I wasn't particularly interested in the NGP to begin with, but even so I'm not phased by the lowered graphical capability. The one thing I look for the most in a console is the games it carries, and if said console has enough games I wanna play, then I will buy it regardless of how much RAM it has or whatnot.
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#20 dontshackzmii
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sony is seeing that 3ds is not selling well due to high price point so they are cutting back.

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#21 dontshackzmii
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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]It definitely hurts my interest in it if they only have 256 MB of Ram. Ram is F'ing cheap, and that is pretty disgustingly low. DerekLoffin

The 3DS only has 128MB but I think only 96MB is reserved for games that is enough for a handheld.

And I think 3DS is a grossly overpriced and underpowered... well you get the idea. I'd never even consider buying it at 250. 150 would be the spot where I might start considering it. Beyond that, really, these things have to be more than game systems. There are competing systems coming out practically yearly that will very likely exceed the specs of NGP graphically very shortly, but also feature a host of other functions on top of that, that it is hard for me to justify investing a good chunk of change on something that is sporting such limiting capacities. I might let them off if the price gap was huge, but 256 megs is antiquated tech now. I said in another thread on this, you can get 4 gigs of mobile memory for 50 retail. You work that out and it would be a couple dollars difference between a still limited but still I think okay 512 and 256.

far more to a system then specs.

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there are many problems the NGP has to face if they want to go up against the 3DS.

the 3rd party support needs to be better, just look at the battle between the DS and the PSP. what is its main selling point going to be? they cant go for the graphic wh**e market if its weaker in terms of visuals.

and even on the exclusive front there are going to be some problems, especially if monster hunter becomes multiplat.

3DS will have pokemon.. what happens if they get monster hunter too?

Half-Way

I'm not sure we should start thinking the 3DS and NGP are in the same league based on this report... assuming the core of the system is the same, we're still talking about 256MB+128MB of VRAM, a Quad-Core ARM Cortex A9 Processor, and a Quad-Core Power SGX543MP4+ and a 5" OLED 960 x 544 resolution screen. Very much still beyond the 3DS's capabilities and a device for the "graphic wh**e" market.

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#23 Kashiwaba
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If this reduction will make the system cost $250 or less then its good they need to be competitive plus less ram means less console ports so thats better for people who want original portable games xD.

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#24 DireOwl
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I wasn't going to buy it before, and I won't buy it now. I didn't enjoy the PSP that much, and I can't say I've been impressed by what I've seen of the NGP.

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#25 KBFloYd
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no but really...this is bad news for Sony.

lets hope its not true.

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#26 Half-Way
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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

there are many problems the NGP has to face if they want to go up against the 3DS.

the 3rd party support needs to be better, just look at the battle between the DS and the PSP. what is its main selling point going to be? they cant go for the graphic wh**e market if its weaker in terms of visuals.

and even on the exclusive front there are going to be some problems, especially if monster hunter becomes multiplat.

3DS will have pokemon.. what happens if they get monster hunter too?

SakusEnvoy

I'm not sure we should start thinking the 3DS and NGP are in the same league based on this report... assuming the core of the system is the same, we're still talking about 256MB+128MB of VRAM, a Quad-Core ARM Cortex A9 Processor, and a Quad-Core Power SGX543MP4+ and a 5" OLED 960 x 544 resolution screen. Very much still beyond the 3DS's capabilities and a device for the "graphic wh**e" market.

i was thinking in the lines of "3D graphics on the level of gamecube/wii games" vs "2D graphics on a weaker level then the ps3 now"

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#27 mariokart64fan
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no

no and no i wasnt even buying 1 before the downgrade i was stil on the fence

and this made me go one wrung lower

---at 350 are they serious ,

ps3 is 50 dollars less more powerful ,

has a good library

and i can take it to a hotel room and use my portable dvd player sure its not hd quality but still gets the job done and i dont have to rebuy a collection,,

and further more with ps4 wii 2 and 720 plus me having a 3ds already there is just no way im buying in to this until its at least 150 $ with no bc your darn right its worth 150 , its not even as powerful as promised lol so those tech demos we saw ehhhhh see what happens , when you believe in hype, ,

\disapointment and like i said i was still on the fence and thats because psp didnt do me any good with its library- i am not willing to play killzone cod or ps3 like games on the go sorry , i rather play originals or fun games on the go ,, yes ds has alot of wii like titles but they are fun-mariokart ne 1 , but games like halo /kz/ cod need to be for the big screen i already tried playing a few fpses on ds1` already and mixed results ,same for psp its just not as fun

plus how would i get online on the road any how besides paying for it , ya sony didnt use their head ,, unless they offer that for free-which i highly doubt,,

it be pointless to port big multiplayer focused games on psp 2,cod is already one mistake , we dont need another,

and theres no way ill be using that at home ,lol i got better hardware i have access to already , ,

a small 5 inch screen is nothing compared to a dsixl , sorry they lost that one, and is not evencomparable to my portable dvd player which is the biggest of them all -7inch , they could have used that , its just that much more better to have a bigger screen not a small one like psp 2 has , espcally forhd your not really getting hd lol plus with wii 2 controller having a 6.3 inch screen ya im better off with that one and thats nearly portable that is a hybrid can ya say more portable then any console before it , all you need is well a hotel room or other power source to power it up a picnic table and your ready to go , so ya

they didnt think that one out to well did they your answer is still a yes no situation as i dont judge on power on games and price of them is my main concern

with that out of the way yes i to say sony will have a very hard time to go against 3ds even harder since wii 2 is nearly portable and is identical in power or more then ps3, which is also more then ngp

it will have to have games other then what we see---

lets say these are all its getting ,

well then i wont be impressed because psp already had these games-killzone little big planet mgs resistance ya i wont be impressed oh and cod-- already on psp what makes it different? no dont even answer cause its most likely a port of mw3, and ya ill just play that on 360 /ps3 /pc/wii 2(rumored)

better off on the big sceeen as already pointed out

at least ds has originals like steel diver pilotwings etc just to many for me to list judging by past nintendo handhelds, ,

this will put ngp in the good selling but not asgood the same situation that psp faced

sorry but developers wont be happy with spending a bundle of money on handheld projects this is what will kill ngp --production costs!

it is already expensive enough on consoles ,small developers will want to stay away from this thing, and thats what will also kill this thing

plus im still afraid that the battery life will suffer--3 hours max - ya i can get 5-8 on my 3ds why wouldi wanna lower any more just cause of slightly better graphics which is what your getting since sony already cut its graphics capabilities in half thats right your not getting what we saw in those tech demos-that was just another marketing ploy-remmeber ps3 launch we had 7 usb ports etc shown well they cut that down didnt they -- this is the same problem plus as already outlined it is 50 more $ for less hardware then a ps3 /and is on par with what nintendo is going to charge fora wii 2 300-350 is the rumored price for wii 2 and i wont be suprised if they are gonna charge that cause ds was 150 wii 250 3ds 250 wii2 -350? ya gba-99 gc 199, every gen nintendo has always charged 100 more for their home consle which is fair because its more hardware under the hood , sony is doing the exact oposite this gen -so far--- they are charging nearly 400 for a handheld that is less powerul then a ps3-with taxes everybody, , and ps3 is only 350 or so with taxes included

so ya somthing to think about

and dont be saying oh , but 3ds has no games, history has shown -with ds recently that slow launches lead to big leads)

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#28 SilverChimera
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I don't mind, as long as it's not ridiculously expensive. If downgrading it makes it more affordable, then by all means, go for it.
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#29 DerekLoffin
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far more to a system then specs.

dontshackzmii

True, which is why I said it would only hurt my chances of buying. However, specs are the foundation of any system. When you have glaring weaknesses right out of the gate, that doesn't help long term outlook.

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#30 smashed_pinata
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I never wanted an NGP in the first place, so no :P

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#31 SaltyMeatballs
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This system was about the technical specs, it would be disappointing. We shall see how the games look IF TRUE. Still just a rumour.
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#32 hexashadow13
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Depends, does the price go down?
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all i care about is battery life, comfortable controls, and game library. graphics are nice and all, and it would be a shame if everything looked like a 1990's game, but thats nothing compared to having horrible controls or crappy gameplay. i can stand choppy models and low res textures as long as im having fun.
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#34 EPaul
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Yea, as long as the game are there and Were the official specs ever announced or released ?

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sony is seeing that 3ds is not selling well due to high price point so they are cutting back.

dontshackzmii

I dobut that. The 3DS didn't have a strong launch lineup, well at least in America. Japan got Layton and a whole bunch of other good games.

But the question is no cause I only care about games not specs.

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#36 FPSDad1161
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I won't buy it either way. 3DS will be way better. Plus I don't want to give Sony any more of my money. I didn't think the end result would be what they teased anyways. Seemed too powerful to be a hand held.

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#37 revofanboy2005
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IF the rumors are true, I'm not interested in it anymore. The video ram being halved is especially disappointing. How expensive can an extra 128 megabytes be? Forget being cost effective like Nintendo, Sony. That's not your thing. You're about cutting edge technology.

ChiefFreeman

I lol'd at the cost effective thing. You do know that Sony is in all kinds of debt because the ps3 and its bleeding edge (at the time) tech right? Sony is smart to downgrade. it'll be that much more affordable for you, the battery life will still suck, but less than it would have, and they wont lose quite as much money as they would have when it launches. if you care about they're future, be glad thy're doing this. Sony cant afford to lose even more money on a piece of hardware that is WAY more powerful than is actually practical.

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#38 revofanboy2005
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It definitely hurts my interest in it if they only have 256 MB of Ram. Ram is F'ing cheap, and that is pretty disgustingly low. DerekLoffin

You realize that 256MB of ram is the same amount of main RAM in the ps3 right?

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#39 revofanboy2005
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It definitely hurts my interest in it if they only have 256 MB of Ram. Ram is F'ing cheap, and that is pretty disgustingly low. DerekLoffin

You realize that 256MB of ram is the same amount of main RAM in the ps3 right?

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#40 painguy1
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Still will get it regardless

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#41 stereointegrity
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i dont kno if i will with half the ram.....just gonna be gimped with in a year or 2 because of this....i felt even the 1 gig in the dev model should have been the minimum
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#42 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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I never bought the hyperbole anyways, so I would be perfectly fine if it was downgraded from what it was supposed to be
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[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]It definitely hurts my interest in it if they only have 256 MB of Ram. Ram is F'ing cheap, and that is pretty disgustingly low. revofanboy2005

You realize that 256MB of ram is the same amount of main RAM in the ps3 right?

PS3 is 256 MB of XDR system RAM + 256 MB of GDDR3 VRAM, so 512 MB total. NGP is rumored (and it's very plausible) that there is 128 MB of VRAM along with the 256 MB of system memory, which would be just about right for a system in the realm of 1/2 as powerful as the PS3. The overall resolution of the 960 x 544 screen is about 60% the size of 1280 x 720 screen in terms of pixels. Even still, 256 MB total RAM only wouldn't be too bad for a system specifically for gaming in the NGP's performance area. The 128 MB of VRAM is a nice touch though if it really does have it, which would mean the system would have 384 MB total RAM, 3/4 of what the PS3 has total. Yes, ideally the system would be better with 512 MB of main memory, instead of 256 MB, but I think people are overestimating how much the system really needs. As long as the OS and shell are relatively light (no bigger than 64 MB), things should be just fine.

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#44 darth-pyschosis
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I told people this would happen. And people still think the CPU and GPU are going to be clocked high

Mark my words: 800Mhz CPU as well. I know its multi-core but some people really think it will be up to 2Ghz.

The 3DS isn't looking very shabby against potential NGP specs. Now the NGP only has twice as much RAM as a 3DS, and we still don't know the VRAM, CPU/GPU speeds on the 3DS (well we know the GPU is about 200Mhz possibly less)

I'm expecting NGP for $299, and then a 3DS price drop to $199 to put pressure on Sony.

A price cut on the 3DS, along with killer system sellers like Mario Kart and Super Mario 3D this holiday (Nintendo says they are both coming this year) spells doom for the NGP, especially if something like, oh so Pokemon Gray releases for the 3DS around March 2012?

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#45 darth-pyschosis
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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

sony is seeing that 3ds is not selling well due to high price point so they are cutting back.

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I dobut that. The 3DS didn't have a strong launch lineup, well at least in America. Japan got Layton and a whole bunch of other good games.

But the question is no cause I only care about games not specs.

Um, 4-5 million units in one month is bad? I don't get where dontshack is getting that.

Besides, its friggin' May. Wait for Mario Kart and then get back to us.

Also, I am willing to bet the moment they announce the NGP for $250 or $299, the 3DS goes down to $199

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#46 AmazonTreeBoa
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Depends on how much they downgrade it. Taking out the storage and making me buy an SD card is one thing, but I don't want to see a performance hit. I want it to look just as good as it did when they showed Uncharted. If the downgrade too much, I will just stick to the phone I am getting as my handheld gaming system. I would rather spend a bit more and get what they first planned, than to pay less and have a gimped system all gen. Pay a bit more and get a better gaming experience all gen is the better option for me. Guess I wait until E3 to know if I get one or just stick to my HTC Evo 3D.

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#47 AmazonTreeBoa
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I disagree.

SONY needs to reduce the price as much as possible.

You need to look at game development costs. Even if the NGP was a powerful as the PS3, you think most companies are going to spend that much on a handheld game? Most of those specs would of gone to waste.

Blue-Sky

Here, read this. It gives me the impression that the NGP will be a lot easier and cheaper to develope for than the PS3. I googled "Sony NGP specs" earlier today and came across this. It is a pretty interesting read.

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#48 revofanboy2005
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[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]It definitely hurts my interest in it if they only have 256 MB of Ram. Ram is F'ing cheap, and that is pretty disgustingly low. PC_Otter

You realize that 256MB of ram is the same amount of main RAM in the ps3 right?

PS3 is 256 MB of XDR system RAM + 256 MB of GDDR3 VRAM, so 512 MB total. NGP is rumored (and it's very plausible) that there is 128 MB of VRAM along with the 256 MB of system memory, which would be just about right for a system in the realm of 1/2 as powerful as the PS3. The overall resolution of the 960 x 544 screen is about 60% the size of 1280 x 720 screen in terms of pixels. Even still, 256 MB total RAM only wouldn't be too bad for a system specifically for gaming in the NGP's performance area. The 128 MB of VRAM is a nice touch though if it really does have it, which would mean the system would have 384 MB total RAM, 3/4 of what the PS3 has total. Yes, ideally the system would be better with 512 MB of main memory, instead of 256 MB, but I think people are overestimating how much the system really needs. As long as the OS and shell are relatively light (no bigger than 64 MB), things should be just fine.

I knew about the other 256mb of VRAM the ps3 has at its disposal, but since the main RAM is at 256 MB, i dindt think it was accurate to combine the two just for the sake of a higher number. If it is though, then ok.

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#49 AmazonTreeBoa
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If this reduction will make the system cost $250 or less then its good they need to be competitive plus less ram means less console ports so thats better for people who want original portable games xD.

Kashiwaba

Why is that better? Why can't we have both the ports and the original portable games? Why must we limit ourselves? Isn't it better to make everybody happy? Make those wanting ports happy and those wanting original portable games. I don't ever understand why people complain about ports. I can understand if that;s ALL the system ever gets. But if it is also getting original games right along with those ports, what does it matter?

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I told people this would happen. And people still think the CPU and GPU are going to be clocked high

Mark my words: 800Mhz CPU as well. I know its multi-core but some people really think it will be up to 2Ghz.

The 3DS isn't looking very shabby against potential NGP specs. Now the NGP only has twice as much RAM as a 3DS, and we still don't know the VRAM, CPU/GPU speeds on the 3DS (well we know the GPU is about 200Mhz possibly less)

I'm expecting NGP for $299, and then a 3DS price drop to $199 to put pressure on Sony.

A price cut on the 3DS, along with killer system sellers like Mario Kart and Super Mario 3D this holiday (Nintendo says they are both coming this year) spells doom for the NGP, especially if something like, oh so Pokemon Gray releases for the 3DS around March 2012?

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Four Cortex A9 cores @ 800 MHz is a pretty hefty CPU (for a mobile device). 3DS supposedly runs a dual core ARM at 266 MHz (ARM 11?). NGP will pretty much still be multitude's more powerful on the CPU side of things.