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Zlychop

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#1 Zlychop
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would people actually care for Valve?

When was the last time Valve has made what we would call a complete package?

The Orange Box back in 07.

Everything since then has been overpriced add ons, honestly Left 4 Dead for example is too repetitive. You literally run through the same linear maps over and over even in VS. Dead Island was superior, had a more serious tone which a zombie game should have and an open world.

Team Fortress 2 was a good game.

Portal is moreso a mini game to what should be a fuller more complete game.

Counter Strike GO will be nothing but a updated engine and tweaked CS.

They get away with half*ssing alot of their games in terms of content.

Also, the HL series is pretty overrated and there are plenty of games on other platforms that are way better than it.

Halo being one of them.

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#2 MonsieurX
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Yes.
Also, the HL series is pretty overrated and there are plenty of games on other platforms that are way better than it, Halo being one of them.Zlychop
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#3 ShadowDeathX
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... Dead Island was a borefest with that lame story and that 60 degree disgusting field of view. Go play Left 4 Dead 2 with good people and tell me that is boring? IT ISN'T!
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#4 PannicAtack
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Portal is moreso a mini game to what should be a fuller more complete game.
Zlychop

No, "mini-game" is the archery range in Zelda Ocarina of Time.

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#5 cain006
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Portal 2 is a pretty complete package. 8 hours or so for each campaign, that's good for a single player/cooperative game. They certainly aren't the god tier developer a lot of people make them out to be though.

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#6 Zlychop
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... Dead Island was a borefest with that lame story and that 60 degree disgusting field of view. Go play Left 4 Dead 2 with good people and tell me that is boring? IT ISN'T!

Left 4 Dead is infact boring. The tone isn't serious, its just lets kill zombies! A zombie game should be as it is portrayed in better games than L4D and movies, survival horror. Dawn of The Dead or 28 weeks later type of stuff, Dead Island portrayed that much better.
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#7 Stinger78
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They did a great job hiring the independent people who created Counter-Strike. The Half-Life "series" have all been entertaining. TF 2 is still very good, as are Portal, Portal 2, L4D and L4D2. Just about every game with their "stamp of approval" has been good, so I would like Valve if there was no Steam. I'm sure glad Steam is there, though :)
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#8 stuff238
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Yes. There are too many valve fanboys that exist with or without steam.
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#9 dakan45
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all valve games are overatted. Do you know why they get they praise they do? Support, mods, console, tools, overall they are a much better bet to go than most multiplats outhere. If steam didnt exist, origin wouldnt try to steal our money. :lol:[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... Dead Island was a borefest with that lame story and that 60 degree disgusting field of view. Go play Left 4 Dead 2 with good people and tell me that is boring? IT ISN'T!

meh, i thought left 4 dead was borring, so i shoot running zombies in yet another linear map, no thanks. I loved dead island, the small field of view is there so zombies can sneak up on you. One of the few games that field of view is not an issue for me.
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#10 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... Dead Island was a borefest with that lame story and that 60 degree disgusting field of view. Go play Left 4 Dead 2 with good people and tell me that is boring? IT ISN'T!

Left 4 Dead is infact boring. The tone isn't serious, its just lets kill zombies! A zombie game should be as it is portrayed in better games than L4D and movies, survival horror. Dawn of The Dead or 28 weeks later type of stuff, Dead Island portrayed that much better.

Do you play on normal or something? or do you not play versus?
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#11 lostrib
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... Dead Island was a borefest with that lame story and that 60 degree disgusting field of view. Go play Left 4 Dead 2 with good people and tell me that is boring? IT ISN'T!Zlychop
Left 4 Dead is infact boring. The tone isn't serious, its just lets kill zombies! A zombie game should be as it is portrayed in better games than L4D and movies, survival horror. Dawn of The Dead or 28 weeks later type of stuff, Dead Island portrayed that much better.

And yet L4D is still better

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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... Dead Island was a borefest with that lame story and that 60 degree disgusting field of view. Go play Left 4 Dead 2 with good people and tell me that is boring? IT ISN'T!

Left 4 Dead is infact boring. The tone isn't serious, its just lets kill zombies! A zombie game should be as it is portrayed in better games than L4D and movies, survival horror. Dawn of The Dead or 28 weeks later type of stuff, Dead Island portrayed that much better.

Do you play on normal or something? or do you not play versus?

It's not that, its the tone of the game.
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#13 parkurtommo
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Portal is moreso a mini game to what should be a fuller more complete game.Zlychop
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#14 ionusX
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lol this thread is bad and tc should feel bad.

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#15 DNAbro
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do you do anything but troll?

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#16 lostrib
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lol this thread is bad and tc should feel bad.

ionusX

This

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#17 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="Zlychop"] Left 4 Dead is infact boring. The tone isn't serious, its just lets kill zombies! A zombie game should be as it is portrayed in better games than L4D and movies, survival horror. Dawn of The Dead or 28 weeks later type of stuff, Dead Island portrayed that much better.

Do you play on normal or something? or do you not play versus?

It's not that, its the tone of the game.

A fast pace cooperative game. What is so bad about it?
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#18 lostrib
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[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"] Do you play on normal or something? or do you not play versus?ShadowDeathX
It's not that, its the tone of the game.

A fast pace cooperative game. What is so bad about it?

L4D was never meant to be a game about the story. It's a multiplayer co-op zombie survival game. And it can be very fun and difficult in the versus modes that require team work and communication

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#19 PannicAtack
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The tone isn't serious, its just lets kill zombies!Zlychop
Not a valid argument. The tone is one of generally cheesy camp, and it is fairly consistent in that regard. Not having a "serious tone" is not really a valid argument unless we're dealing with a genuinely serious subject matter and the work's treatment is one that is flagrantly disrespectful.

However, we are not talking about genuinely serious subject matter, we're talking about friggin zombies.

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#20 Masenkoe
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would people actually care for Valve?

When was the last time Valve has made what we would call a complete package?

The Orange Box back in 07.

Everything since then has been overpriced add ons, honestly Left 4 Dead for example is too repetitive. You literally run through the same linear maps over and over even in VS. Dead Island was superior, had a more serious tone which a zombie game should have and an open world.

Team Fortress 2 was a good game.

Portal is moreso a mini game to what should be a fuller more complete game.

Counter Strike GO will be nothing but a updated engine and tweaked CS.

They get away with half*ssing alot of their games in terms of content.

Also, the HL series is pretty overrated and there are plenty of games on other platforms that are way better than it.

Halo being one of them.

Zlychop

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#21 Badosh
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TC shouldn't exist.
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#22 Jonwh18
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zyclopsc you should leave the internet.... now

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#23 Rocker6
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Also, the HL series is pretty overrated and there are plenty of games on other platforms that are way better than it.

Halo being one of them.

Zlychop

Some of your points were actually debatable,making at least a little sense,before I read the sentences above...

Then,the lolz came :lol:

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#24 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="Zlychop"] It's not that, its the tone of the game.lostrib

A fast pace cooperative game. What is so bad about it?

L4D was never meant to be a game about the story. It's a multiplayer co-op zombie survival game. And it can be very fun and difficult in the versus modes that require team work and communication

Exactly. The game is great. The only con of it is the insane amount of rage quitters. But that is not the game's fault.
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#25 HaloPimp978
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If Steam didn't exist I wouldn't be interested in PC gaming.

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#26 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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I actually don't know what to say.

Just please keep playing your Battlefield games and keep your opinions there please

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#27 Masenkoe
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If Steam didn't exist I wouldn't be interested in PC gaming.

HaloPimp978

Nah, I still would play. Amazon and other places sell games just as cheap or cheaper. And Xfire and Raptr do chat just as well as Steam.

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#28 Zlychop
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If Steam didn't exist I wouldn't be interested in PC gaming.

HaloPimp978

... so you in other words you are a fake PC gamer, I say fake because if games aren't shown in front of your face you wouldn't play.

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#29 Basinboy
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Yeah, I would. Portal, Half-Life, Left4Dead are enough for them to have earned my respect in dollar bills.

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#30 lowe0
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Valve's games are great, when they get one out the door. I'd still care. That said, Steam is the closest I can get to the consistency of a console on a PC, and so I appreciate them more for that. If only publishers would fall in line....
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#31 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

If Steam didn't exist I wouldn't be interested in PC gaming.

Zlychop

... so you in other words you are a fake PC gamer, I say fake because if games aren't shown in front of your face you wouldn't play.

What?
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#32 HaloPimp978
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[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

If Steam didn't exist I wouldn't be interested in PC gaming.

Zlychop

... so you in other words you are a fake PC gamer, I say fake because if games aren't shown in front of your face you wouldn't play.

Well I buy phsyical PC games but Steam is what got me into PC gaming. So in other words I'm not a fake PC gamer since I play on almost every console.

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#33 AmazonTreeBoa
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Steam has nothing to do with how I feel about Valve.
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#34 Maneil99
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Honestly Valve isn't that great at making SP games.

HL1=Sucks now (as to be expected by a decade old game)

HL2= (dated mechanics)

L4d=Awful Sp (not that its meant for SP)

Portal 1 = Good but repetitive

Portal 2 = Awful **** , Same as P1 with a few additions and 6x the price

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#35 dakan45
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Honestly Valve isn't that great at making SP games.

HL1=Sucks now (as to be expected by a decade old game)

HL2= (dated mechanics)

L4d=Awful Sp (not that its meant for SP)

Portal 1 = Good but repetitive

Portal 2 = Awful **** , Same as P1 with a few additions and 6x the price

Maneil99
It is funny how half life has better ai than hl2 and pretty much every game this gen.
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#36 meetroid8
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When was the last time Valve has made what we would call a complete package?

\Zlychop
Portal 2?
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#37 joel_c17
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Steam is the best thing to happen to pc gaming. Love it :) whens the next sale btw?
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#38 Captain__Tripps
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If Valve didn't have the steam cash cow to rely on, you've probably would have heard something about HL3 or maybe even released by now...
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#39 mems_1224
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valve is pretty great, they always release great games. yea people dick ride them a little too hard but i can see why. and there are things about half life that are overrated. like gordon freeman, hes an awful vessel(hes not even a real character) but there is no denying that the first one was probably the most influential fps of all time
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#40 smashed_pinata
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If fanboys didn't exist...would threads like this one still get posted?

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#41 AdrianWerner
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Left 4 Dead revolutionized co-op gaming

Team Fortress 2 remains one of the most popular MP games around

Portal 2 was one of the finest games of last year

They're making DOTA2, which will be the biggest multiplayer game this year.

So yeah, people would still care even without Steam

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#42 Zlychop
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Steam is the best thing to happen to pc gaming. Love it :) whens the next sale btw?joel_c17
I don't think the summer sale is happening this year.
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#43 deactivated-5c79c3cfce222
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would people actually care for Valve?

When was the last time Valve has made what we would call a complete package?

The Orange Box back in 07.

Everything since then has been overpriced add ons, honestly Left 4 Dead for example is too repetitive. You literally run through the same linear maps over and over even in VS. Dead Island was superior, had a more serious tone which a zombie game should have and an open world.

Team Fortress 2 was a good game.

Portal is moreso a mini game to what should be a fuller more complete game.

Counter Strike GO will be nothing but a updated engine and tweaked CS.

They get away with half*ssing alot of their games in terms of content.

Also, the HL series is pretty overrated and there are plenty of games on other platforms that are way better than it.

Halo being one of them.

Zlychop

What did you do there?

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#44 Zlychop
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Left 4 Dead revolutionized co-op gaming

Team Fortress 2 remains one of the most popular MP games around

Portal 2 was one of the finest games of last year

They're making DOTA2, which will be the biggest multiplayer game this year.

So yeah, people would still care even without Steam

AdrianWerner
L4D revolutionized co-op gaming, you serious?
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#45 deactivated-5c79c3cfce222
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Left 4 Dead revolutionized co-op gaming

Team Fortress 2 remains one of the most popular MP games around

Portal 2 was one of the finest games of last year

They're making DOTA2, which will be the biggest multiplayer game this year.

So yeah, people would still care even without Steam

Zlychop
L4D revolutionized co-op gaming, you serious?

You serious?
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#46 AdrianWerner
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L4D revolutionized co-op gaming, you serious?Zlychop
Yes. First co-op game with adaptive director AI, which is pretty much the single biggest leap since co-op gaming starter. Not to mention L4D also set the new bar for cooperatve experience and majority of modern co-op games are taking direct influences from this series.

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#47 Merex760
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Yes, people would still care about Valve. Portal 2 was a masterpiece, and came out just last year. Quality takes time.
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[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"] Do you play on normal or something? or do you not play versus?ShadowDeathX
It's not that, its the tone of the game.

A fast pace cooperative game. What is so bad about it?

he probably has no firends to play it with or never tried versus, higher difficulties, or custom maps

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#49 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="joel_c17"]Steam is the best thing to happen to pc gaming. Love it :) whens the next sale btw?Zlychop
I don't think the summer sale is happening this year.

And that's terrible.
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#50 famicommander
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I have never bought a game on Steam (I just use it when retail games require it or for Indie Bundle games I purchased elsewhere) and I love Valve as a developer/publisher. I don't even like Steam but I love Valve.