IF the Drake DEMO cant fit on DVD9....

...then how long can the game itself be?

lets say they shrunk the demo to a measly 9GB.

that means the game is roughly six times the size of the demo. (assuming the landscapes and actions and enemies will e completely varried throughout the game)

meaning, that if the demo is 20 minutes, then the game will be 120 minutes or a staggering 2 hours.

my logic is foolproof. 

Most demos for PC these days ship with the entire game engine. I would not doubt this is any different.foxhound_fox

Exactly. The demo may not fit onto the DVD, but that doesn't mean the game is 50+ gbs large.

Can't argue with that logic.

Curious question, though. With only 512MB of memory, why would a demo need 20 times that amount just for a demo. I mean, most 360 demos are only around 2GB or less (4x the memory).HuusAsking

no, most 360 demos are 1GB - 

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Curious question, though. With only 512MB of memory, why would a demo need 20 times that amount just for a demo. I mean, most 360 demos are only around 2GB or less (4x the memory).Educated_Gamer

no, most 360 demos are 1GB -

...then how long can the game itself be?

lets say they shrunk the demo to a measly 9GB.

that means the game is roughly six times the size of the demo. (assuming the landscapes and actions and enemies will e completely varried throughout the game)

meaning, that if the demo is 20 minutes, then the game will be 120 minutes or a staggering 2 hours.

my logic is foolproof.

Awinagainov

Curious question, though. With only 512MB of memory, why would a demo need 20 times that amount just for a demo. I mean, most 360 demos are only around 2GB or less (4x the memory).HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Curious question, though. With only 512MB of memory, why would a demo need 20 times that amount just for a demo. I mean, most 360 demos are only around 2GB or less (4x the memory).foxhound_fox

Don't take my word for it, but I believe game demos consist of only the engine and the textures, geometry, and audio for the included stages. It is basically the smallest size the game can possibly be if it had only one stage. And since the engine itself can't be too big, because the engine (or at least a large part of the engine) needs to fit into memory, that means that all the rest of the extra data has to be audio, texture, and geometry data. If just a DEMO takes up more space than a DVD, then the devs are bloating up the game to ridiculous levels.mjarantilla

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Don't take my word for it, but I believe game demos consist of only the engine and the textures, geometry, and audio for the included stages. It is basically the smallest size the game can possibly be if it had only one stage. And since the engine itself can't be too big, because the engine (or at least a large part of the engine) needs to fit into memory, that means that all the rest of the extra data has to be audio, texture, and geometry data. If just a DEMO takes up more space than a DVD, then the devs are bloating up the game to ridiculous levels.foxhound_fox

8) 

For a short low quality gif, that thing is huuuge.

[QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

...then how long can the game itself be?

lets say they shrunk the demo to a measly 9GB.

that means the game is roughly six times the size of the demo. (assuming the landscapes and actions and enemies will e completely varried throughout the game)

meaning, that if the demo is 20 minutes, then the game will be 120 minutes or a staggering 2 hours.

my logic is foolproof.

 

mjarantilla

the truth hurts lol...

I think GRAW2 was the one that went up to 14gigs on the PS3.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Don't take my word for it, but I believe game demos consist of only the engine and the textures, geometry, and audio for the included stages. It is basically the smallest size the game can possibly be if it had only one stage. And since the engine itself can't be too big, because the engine (or at least a large part of the engine) needs to fit into memory, that means that all the rest of the extra data has to be audio, texture, and geometry data. If just a DEMO takes up more space than a DVD, then the devs are bloating up the game to ridiculous levels.foxhound_fox

my logic is foolproof.

Awinagainov

lol, not so much. 

again this thread was made yesterday but if the demo is over 9GB's how are they going to distribute it? seems like a big download and the game looks fantastic but I would have a problem downloading a file that big just to play a demo...doesn't make much sense

Weren't there a number of demos released (or soon to be) of games that were on the 369 that surpassed 9 gigs/ I think it's all just bad compression or bloated coding. Anyways, Drake's fortune looks great, I'm getting this along with MGS4.Verge_6

no demo on the 360 has exceeded 2Gigs let alone 9? hell the shadow run beta was only 888MB and the command and conquer demo was 1GB or did I read your post wrong

Curious question, though. With only 512MB of memory, why would a demo need 20 times that amount just for a demo. I mean, most 360 demos are only around 2GB or less (4x the memory).HuusAsking

Have you smoked fanboy crack again? both the 360 and the PS has the same amount of RAM/memory. Whic has nothing to do with how big a game can be.

Damn nooblets...

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Don't take my word for it, but I believe game demos consist of only the engine and the textures, geometry, and audio for the included stages. It is basically the smallest size the game can possibly be if it had only one stage. And since the engine itself can't be too big, because the engine (or at least a large part of the engine) needs to fit into memory, that means that all the rest of the extra data has to be audio, texture, and geometry data. If just a DEMO takes up more space than a DVD, then the devs are bloating up the game to ridiculous levels.HuusAsking

Cracktard, shot up. The size of the game and the Amount of ram it uses is 2 diffrent things!

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Weren't there a number of demos released (or soon to be) of games that were on the 369 that surpassed 9 gigs/ I think it's all just bad compression or bloated coding. Anyways, Drake's fortune looks great, I'm getting this along with MGS4.Medjai

no demo on the 360 has exceeded 2Gigs let alone 9? hell the shadow run beta was only 888MB and the command and conquer demo was 1GB or did I read your post wrong

No, that was my bad. I'm watching Hellsing at the moment, so I'm not enturely focused on posting. 

[QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Weren't there a number of demos released (or soon to be) of games that were on the 369 that surpassed 9 gigs/ I think it's all just bad compression or bloated coding. Anyways, Drake's fortune looks great, I'm getting this along with MGS4.Verge_6

no demo on the 360 has exceeded 2Gigs let alone 9? hell the shadow run beta was only 888MB and the command and conquer demo was 1GB or did I read your post wrong

No, that was my bad. I'm watching Hellsing at the moment, so I'm not enturely focused on posting. 

its cool...

 no one has yet replied to how they are going to distribute a 9GB demo though...any thoughts?

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Weren't there a number of demos released (or soon to be) of games that were on the 369 that surpassed 9 gigs/ I think it's all just bad compression or bloated coding. Anyways, Drake's fortune looks great, I'm getting this along with MGS4.Medjai

no demo on the 360 has exceeded 2Gigs let alone 9? hell the shadow run beta was only 888MB and the command and conquer demo was 1GB or did I read your post wrong

No, that was my bad. I'm watching Hellsing at the moment, so I'm not enturely focused on posting.

its cool...

no one has yet replied to how they are going to distribute a 9GB demo though...any thoughts?

In the hopes that the people downloading them are very...VERY patient, perhaps? 

[QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

...then how long can the game itself be?

lets say they shrunk the demo to a measly 9GB.

that means the game is roughly six times the size of the demo. (assuming the landscapes and actions and enemies will e completely varried throughout the game)

meaning, that if the demo is 20 minutes, then the game will be 120 minutes or a staggering 2 hours.

my logic is foolproof.

 

mjarantilla

You don't develop games for a living do you?

The only bad sideeffects Bloated code can cause is framerate, AI or physics issues.

No matter how unoptimized your code is, it won't take as much space as HD video and audio.

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The only possible way this demo can be so massive is if they include 1080p video in it, like a 30min intro.

If they include just the engine and the basics for a short gameplay session, it shouldn't be more than a couple gigabytes.  

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

...then how long can the game itself be?

lets say they shrunk the demo to a measly 9GB.

that means the game is roughly six times the size of the demo. (assuming the landscapes and actions and enemies will e completely varried throughout the game)

meaning, that if the demo is 20 minutes, then the game will be 120 minutes or a staggering 2 hours.

my logic is foolproof.

 

lordxymor

You don't develop games for a living do you?

The only bad sideeffects Bloated code can cause is framerate, AI or physics issues.

No matter how unoptimized your code is, it won't take as much space as HD video and audio.

-- 

The only possible way this demo can be so massive is if they include 1080p video in it, like a 30min intro.

If they include just the engine and the basics for a short gameplay session, it shouldn't be more than a couple gigabytes.  

he obv. doesn't write code the engine is not what takes up alot of space is the assests and as you said videos and the audio as well

in fact the F.E.A.R. .sdk is only 640.34 MB...engines are not big at all

http://www.fileshack.com/file.x/8031/F.E.A.R.+SDK+1.08

Has anyone else not noticed that they never stated that they were using DVD9?wolf_gods

...then how long can the game itself be?

lets say they shrunk the demo to a measly 9GB.

that means the game is roughly six times the size of the demo. (assuming the landscapes and actions and enemies will e completely varried throughout the game)

meaning, that if the demo is 20 minutes, then the game will be 120 minutes or a staggering 2 hours.

my logic is foolproof.

 

Awinagainov

I think he meant only a single-layer DVD but that doesn't change the problem. Will PS3 gamers start seeing 4.7+ GB demos on the download page? That's pretty ridiculous.

[QUOTE="wolf_gods"]Has anyone else not noticed that they never stated that they were using DVD9?Medjai

Wow....have fun downloading a 9+GB demo, cowsLosDaddie

it would take me about an hour to do on my free network how about you ?

Its called no compression :|kage_53

because a BR holds about 6 times as much as DVD9, not to mention it reads faster. 

[QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="wolf_gods"]Has anyone else not noticed that they never stated that they were using DVD9?Awinagainov

the game engine and animations fit on a DVD9 man...but there is no doubt that in the future(becoming present) a bigger media will be need as games expand in scope...and who knows Blu-Ray might work out for Sony in the end but they forced it on people and most games this gen will not need the space, just because a game can fill a blu-ray doesn't mean it needed too R:FoM could have been done on DVD9...this game and* MGS4 might be the 1st games that take advantage of the extra space...I am not on the dev team so I do not know what they are filling the disk with 

[QUOTE="kage_53"]Its called no compression :|Awinagainov

because a BR holds about 6 times as much as DVD9, not to mention it reads faster. 

no it doesn't the PS3 has a 2x Blu Ray drive which is slower than the 12x DVD drive in the 360 and alot slower than the 16x drive in my PC

[QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

[QUOTE="kage_53"]Its called no compression :|Medjai

because a BR holds about 6 times as much as DVD9, not to mention it reads faster.

no it doesn't the PS3 has a 2x Blu Ray drive which is slower than the 12x DVD drive in the 360 and alot slower than the 16x drive in my PC

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Wow....have fun downloading a 9+GB demo, cowse20Dylan

it would take me about an hour to do on my free network how about you ?