IF the Drake DEMO cant fit on DVD9....

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#51 munsoned
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

...then how long can the game itself be?

lets say they shrunk the demo to a measly 9GB.

that means the game is roughly six times the size of the demo. (assuming the landscapes and actions and enemies will e completely varried throughout the game)

meaning, that if the demo is 20 minutes, then the game will be 120 minutes or a staggering 2 hours.

my logic is foolproof.

 

Acenso

It's called bloated code.

the truth hurts lol...

I think GRAW2 was the one that went up to 14gigs on the PS3.

 

and it was only 1 or 2 gigs on the 360?what the cell is going on here... 1 gig on dvd9 =7 gigs on blue ray disc???
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#52 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="Acenso"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

...then how long can the game itself be?

lets say they shrunk the demo to a measly 9GB.

that means the game is roughly six times the size of the demo. (assuming the landscapes and actions and enemies will e completely varried throughout the game)

meaning, that if the demo is 20 minutes, then the game will be 120 minutes or a staggering 2 hours.

my logic is foolproof.

munsoned

It's called bloated code.

the truth hurts lol...

I think GRAW2 was the one that went up to 14gigs on the PS3.

and it was only 1 or 2 gigs on the 360?what the cell is going on here... 1 gig on dvd9 =7 gigs on blue ray disc???

GRAW2 was more like 5.7 gigs on the 360.
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#53 waynehead895
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Wow....have fun downloading a 9+GB demo, cowse20Dylan

it would take me about an hour to do on my free network how about you ?

That's BS unless you have T1. Cable won't get 9 gigs in an hour. 

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#54 waynehead895
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Curious question, though. With only 512MB of memory, why would a demo need 20 times that amount just for a demo. I mean, most 360 demos are only around 2GB or less (4x the memory).HuusAsking

Dude. More like 1 gb or less. I don't think there are any demos that are close to 2 gb. Crackdown was like 1.2. I think that is the largest demo on the 360. 

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#55 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="e20Dylan"]

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Wow....have fun downloading a 9+GB demo, cowswaynehead895

it would take me about an hour to do on my free network how about you ?

That's BS unless you have T1. Cable won't get 9 gigs in an hour.

9GB/hour = 153.6MB/min = 2.56MB/sec = 16 megabits/sec That's close to cable/DSL's THEORETICAL limit, but the theoretical limit is a hell of a lot higher than the practical limit. Still, two or three hours isn't inconceivable.
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#56 themyth01
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 Yea and Resistance really took 22GB.. NOT. It's typical Sony PR stuff, can't believe gullible fans still fall for it. They all get the memo from Sony, "don't forget to mention, not possible without blu-ray", it's funny after hearing it for a while, the most common thing though is that it's mostly PS3 exclusive devs that say it, those controlled by Sony.

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#57 danneswegman
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how long?... that has nothing to do with it... it's all about losslees sounds, shader effects, high resolution textures..

 

the game could be 6 hours and still be 20 Gige 

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how long?... that has nothing to do with it... it's all about losslees sounds, shader effects, high resolution textures..

 

the game could be 6 hours and still be 20 Gige

danneswegman
if we assume we dont hear the same jungle sunds when we are in a different area, like panama harbors, all the sound is different.  ie, more space
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#59 TheBigDrat
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Lems:BU BU BU Bluray not needed:lol:SumerianDaemon

if bluray was needed then developers wouldnt be able to create games on any other medium, which of course is not true. 

 

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#60 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Don't take my word for it, but I believe game demos consist of only the engine and the textures, geometry, and audio for the included stages. It is basically the smallest size the game can possibly be if it had only one stage. And since the engine itself can't be too big, because the engine (or at least a large part of the engine) needs to fit into memory, that means that all the rest of the extra data has to be audio, texture, and geometry data. If just a DEMO takes up more space than a DVD, then the devs are bloating up the game to ridiculous levels.trasherhead



I don't know... the C&C3 demo was 1.2GB. That is monstrous for a download. I had to find a torrent for it.

1080p and 7.1 surround takes up tons of space. And without compression those things just expand exponentially in size. As Kojima has said in the past... "even the 25GB will not be enough."

1.2GB is only 2.5 times the total RAM in the console. That is understandable. But twenty times (>9GB)?

Cracktard, shot up. The size of the game and the Amount of ram it uses is 2 diffrent things!

Your shot just missed.

A game engine is binary code, and a processor can only execute code from memory. So the engine must fit in the memory. In fact, in the PS3's case, the code must be smaller than 256MB because code must execute from the XDR memory. So, too, must the scene in question fit in memory (either the XDR or the GDDR). Certain open-ended games use a dynamic loading (or "Streaming") approach to create larger areas, but this requires loading the map relative to your player. The drawback is that you cannot use this in a multiplayer scenario--multiple players, multiple locations that can be influenced. So think about it. A demo that is 9GB can only have several hundred megs of code in it and the rest of it must be part of the scenery. And with only 512MB of memory and only so much that can be loaded at a time, that's a lot of scenery for a demo. In comparison, no 360 demo has exceeded 2GB. Most are under 1GB.Â