If The PS3 and 360 Launched Together....(POLL)

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#1 USBxDVD
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If the PS3 and 360 both launched together at the same price, with the current library of games, which would you buy, if you could only pick one?

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#2 WilliamRLBaker
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I'd still get both no current attitudes change that.
though we'd likely have seen a far less buggy 360 if Microsoft had waited and they may just have put hd dvd in the system it self. thats what happens with any hypothetical situation every thing changes so we'd have to take into account what we know now we'd likely have seen quite a few differences in the systems.

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#3 commonfate
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So you're really asking which system we prefer.

PS3 for the better exclusives albeit I would miss Halo, Alan Wake and Tales of Vesperia.

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I think if the PS3 had launched at the same time and price as 360, current gen gaming would be very different. For one all the JRPGS and other Japanese games wouldn't have migrated to handhelds. Japan was all about dat PS2 (and some PSP/GBA) but when development costs arose and with the lack of a decent userbase , Japanese companies kissed that brand loyalty goodbye. If there was something I could change about this gen itself, it would be the high price that the PS3 launched at. I'm very curious as to whether or not WRPGs would have still dominated this gen over JRPGs (sales wise) and what exclusives Sony would have pumped out instead as they wouldn't be forced to use them now to stay competitive.

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#5 soulitane
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In all honesty at this point I wouldn't want to have to choose between the two. I guess I would go with the PS3 though, better looking future and it's also a blu-ray player. The only game I would really miss on the 360 is halo other than that I don't care all that much.
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#6 CTR360
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both consoles i buy i cant choose
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#7 NVIDIATI
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Considering my initial reasoning for purchasing a PS3 was for its blu-ray capabilities, I would have still purchased it at launch.

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#8 opex07
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If the PS3 was to launch a year earlier I believe that its price would be even greater than its initial $600, and probably would have made it challanging to gather a significant amount of sales in that 1 year time period, but if both were the same price like suggested I would argue that the PS3 would most likely have sold much more just due to the inclusion of a blu-ray player, making it a better value hardware wise than the 360.

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#9 Sgt_Crow
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Great question for the Cowspot audience (the majority). If the PS3 and 360 would be released together the PS3 would still be a 600 dollar, overpriced piece of beep without any good games. I'd go for a 360 all over again.
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#10 commonfate
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Great question for the Cowspot audience (the majority). If the PS3 and 360 would be released together the PS3 would still be a 600 dollar, overpriced piece of beep without any good games. I'd go for a 360 all over again.Sgt_Crow

TC asked if they were released at the same price and with the same catalog of games... so either you're cherry picking, have poor reading skills or you do not think that the PS3 has any good exclusives as of right now.

Considering your passionate response though, I can comfortably assume you would still say 360, which is a fine choice nevertheless.

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#11 Vari3ty
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I'd get both.

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#12 CoolSkAGuy
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That would depend on the price. I wanted a PS3 since I absolutely loved my PS2 but alas that has yet to happen.
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Great question for the Cowspot audience (the majority). If the PS3 and 360 would be released together the PS3 would still be a 600 dollar, overpriced piece of beep without any good games. I'd go for a 360 all over again.Sgt_Crow
the question is if the released a tthe same price with the CURRENT LIBRARY of games that they have out now. not a history repeat...
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[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"]Great question for the Cowspot audience (the majority). If the PS3 and 360 would be released together the PS3 would still be a 600 dollar, overpriced piece of beep without any good games. I'd go for a 360 all over again.commonfate

TC asked if they were released at the same price and with the same catalog of games... so either you're cherry picking, have poor reading skills or you do not think that the PS3 has any good exclusives as of right now.

Considering your passionate response though, I can comfortably assume you would still say 360, which is a fine choice nevertheless.

I actually am choosing to ignore some of what he said because in any hypotheical scenario every thing must change, things would be quite different if Microsoft had waited a year and its launch line up of games had had a years extra development time because of that. I'm not saying which one would win just that things would be far different.

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#15 NiKva
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If they launched at the same time for the same price, I would totally get a PS3. The only reason why I didn't buy a PS3 is because an Xbox 360 is cheaper ;o

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#16 RoOodriGowW
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PS3 , but I'd miss forza , geow and lost odissey.

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#17 RoOodriGowW
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[QUOTE="commonfate"]

[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"]Great question for the Cowspot audience (the majority). If the PS3 and 360 would be released together the PS3 would still be a 600 dollar, overpriced piece of beep without any good games. I'd go for a 360 all over again.WilliamRLBaker

TC asked if they were released at the same price and with the same catalog of games... so either you're cherry picking, have poor reading skills or you do not think that the PS3 has any good exclusives as of right now.

Considering your passionate response though, I can comfortably assume you would still say 360, which is a fine choice nevertheless.

I actually am choosing to ignore some of what he said because in any hypotheical scenario every thing must change, things would be quite different if Microsoft had waited a year and its launch line up of games had had a years extra development time because of that. I'm not saying which one would win just that things would be far different.

Yeah , the ps3 had to improvise a lot to leave the failure status behind and be a respectable console again, mostly because of how better was the 360 library , how cheaper it was and how ripe is its network service.So yeah , this unlikely scenario would only have happened if they weren't arrogant at first , thinking people would ignore all of that to buy their console.

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#18 Blade8Aus
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PS3. But in reality, it costs more :?

If it was possible, I'd like to buy a high-end gaming PC for that price.

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#19 WilliamRLBaker
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Yeah , the ps3 had to improvise a lot to leave the failure status behind and be a respectable console again, mostly because of how better was the 360 library , how cheaper it was and how ripe is its network service.So yeah , this unlikely scenario would only have happened if they weren't arrogant at first , thinking people would ignore all of that to buy their console.

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I wouldn't confirm all of that I'm just trying to get the point across that in any hypothetical scenario one cannot set down a defined criteria there will be many changes in a hypothetical scenario because something is being changed that will lead to other changes.

The law of unintended consquences reigns supreme the least of anything If the 360 and ps3 were released at the same time and price the 360 would have had to been pushed back a year and they would have had to cut stuff out of both systems to meet the 400 or less price point unless we are talking about the 600 dollar price point then the 360 would have had more in it then it did and the sheer push back of date would have likely cleared up or lessened the whole RROD thing. too many scenarios would come up just based upon this single change of same relase date and same price.

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#20 ManicAce
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PS3 of course. But it's a bit unfair comparison, you're shaving off half of the PS3's actual price. If they launched at their actual prices I'd go for the 360.
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#21 the_mitch28
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360 for Forza and console multiplats then keep gaming primarily on my PC.

If I could go back in time I would never of purchased the PS3, I don't like any of the exclusive series out of the ones I've tried.

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#23 coasterguy65
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I'd get them both, but if I had to pick one I would have got the Xbox..no way would I pay $500 for a console.

edit....ooops missed the same price part of the original message....ok I'd probably still get the Xbox if I had to choose. Other than Uncharted 1 and 2 and Ratchet and Clank most of the other PS3 exclusives are pretty forgettable for me.

Although I suspect this is nothing more than a what system do you prefer poll which of course on Cowspot will garner much more votes for the PS3.

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[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"]Great question for the Cowspot audience (the majority). If the PS3 and 360 would be released together the PS3 would still be a 600 dollar, overpriced piece of beep without any good games. I'd go for a 360 all over again.

How was the PS3 over priced.? Stand alone Blu-ray player on 2006 were $1,000 + Next gen console $400 that = $1,400 for just $600,and if i count xbox live is $50 dollars more $1,450. On 2005 the PS3 would have not release with Blu-Ray,it would have been release with DVD probably,Blu-Ray did not made it out until 2006 even that development started on 2000,and the first player was finish on 2003,the tech was even less cost effective and more expensive on 2005. With DVD alone the PS3 would have been on par with the xbox 360 in price or less. And to finish the xbox 360 on launch had a far from great line up of games,the best games was basically COD2 which was also available on PC,in other word a non exclusive game that would have also landed on PS3 as well at the same time. The outcome would probably had been very different from the one we have now,especially with the 360 dying all over the place.
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#26 tormentos
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I'd get them both, but if I had to pick one I would have got the Xbox..no way would I pay $500 for a console.

edit....ooops missed the same price part of the original message....ok I'd probably still get the Xbox if I had to choose. Other than Uncharted 1 and 2 and Ratchet and Clank most of the other PS3 exclusives are pretty forgettable for me.

Although I suspect this is nothing more than a what system do you prefer poll which of course on Cowspot will garner much more votes for the PS3.

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Yeah $500 for a console is out of the question.. $450 with xbox live is were is all at.
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How was the PS3 over priced.? Stand alone Blu-ray player on 2006 were $1,000 + Next gen console $400 that = $1,400 for just $600,and if i count xbox live is $50 dollars more $1,450. On 2005 the PS3 would have not release with Blu-Ray,it would have been release with DVD probably,Blu-Ray did not made it out until 2006 even that development started on 2000,and the first player was finish on 2003,the tech was even less cost effective and more expensive on 2005. With DVD alone the PS3 would have been on par with the xbox 360 in price or less. And to finish the xbox 360 on launch had a far from great line up of games,the best games was basically COD2 which was also available on PC,in other word a non exclusive game that would have also landed on PS3 as well at the same time. The outcome would probably had been very different from the one we have now,especially with the 360 dying all over the place.tormentos
Except one would have to recognize that under a hypothetical situation certain changes would be caused by that simple fact... A year pushup of release on the 360 and lower price on the ps3... Most of what you said would be completely invalid under those circumstances.
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#28 cainetao11
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I would still buy both because they have things I like the other doesn't, and I can afford them.
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[QUOTE="tormentos"] How was the PS3 over priced.? Stand alone Blu-ray player on 2006 were $1,000 + Next gen console $400 that = $1,400 for just $600,and if i count xbox live is $50 dollars more $1,450. On 2005 the PS3 would have not release with Blu-Ray,it would have been release with DVD probably,Blu-Ray did not made it out until 2006 even that development started on 2000,and the first player was finish on 2003,the tech was even less cost effective and more expensive on 2005. With DVD alone the PS3 would have been on par with the xbox 360 in price or less. And to finish the xbox 360 on launch had a far from great line up of games,the best games was basically COD2 which was also available on PC,in other word a non exclusive game that would have also landed on PS3 as well at the same time. The outcome would probably had been very different from the one we have now,especially with the 360 dying all over the place.WilliamRLBaker
Except one would have to recognize that under a hypothetical situation certain changes would be caused by that simple fact... A year pushup of release on the 360 and lower price on the ps3... Most of what you said would be completely invalid under those circumstances.

Push the xbox 360 1 year latter into 2006 and basically it loss all the time exclusives it got because there was no other console on the market,games like Dead Rising would have been multiplatform from the starts,Ghost Recon,Oblivion,Saints Row all multiplatform basically many of the games xbox 360 fans still claim as exclusives,would have landed on PS3 the same year as on 360,also since there is not only 1 console but 2 it would be incredibly hard for MS to negotiate exclusives over the PS3,considering the PS2 was still selling great on 2006. Many of the exclusives deals MS got were part of the first mover advantage,since they started first they had allot more on their side to negotiate with developers. 1 year later or 1 year early the xbox 360 would have loss its first movers advantage,kind of like sega would have loss SC and Resident Evil CV if they release the unit on 2000 alone side the PS2.
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I would have gotten PS3 cos I always had the sony brand and the playstation gave me some of my fondest gaming memories. They are great systems. So I was always a "Fanboy" I guess. But I think the PS3 learned a lot from the 360 and gained some valuable advantages over it at launch. But now I game on PC and neither console can touch that :P

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#31 JohnF111
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At launch nothing could beat Gears so Xbox first, however i'd still have gotten a PS3. Then after a while i'd notice that XBL was forced payment to play my own games so i'd soon stop paying for it and only buy the good ones that have decent storylines like Gears.
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#32 Sgt_Crow
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[QUOTE="tormentos"] How was the PS3 over priced.?

600 dollars for a GAME CONSOLE? Are you serious?
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#33 tormentos
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At launch nothing could beat Gears so Xbox first, however i'd still have gotten a PS3. Then after a while i'd notice that XBL was forced payment to play my own games so i'd soon stop paying for it and only buy the good ones that have decent storylines like Gears.JohnF111
Gears wasn't a launch tittle it was release 1 year after launch.
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#34 lx_theo
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[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"]Great question for the Cowspot audience (the majority). If the PS3 and 360 would be released together the PS3 would still be a 600 dollar, overpriced piece of beep without any good games. I'd go for a 360 all over again.

When people prefer the PS3 its Cowspot, but when they prefer the 360 its fair and realistic. Sometimes people here sound like Fox News.
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#35 tormentos
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[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"][QUOTE="tormentos"] How was the PS3 over priced.?

600 dollars for a GAME CONSOLE? Are you serious?

That doesn't say is over priced,that say it was expensive. Over priced is something that is not worth its price,or that is higher priced that similar or better product,in this case the xbox 360 similitude ended with the xbox 360 not been Blu-Ray,not having several media card readers,wifi and even HDMI.
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[QUOTE="tormentos"] How was the PS3 over priced.? Sgt_Crow
600 dollars for a GAME CONSOLE? Are you serious?

Launch 360 with no wifi, 20 gb HDD, DVD drive, no online play = $400. Launch PS3 with no wifi, 20 gb HDD, Bluray drive (standalone players retailing at $1000), online play = $500.

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#37 lowkey254
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I think most people would have bought a ps3 because of the run the ps1 and ps2 had. They wouldn't have had to jump to the 360. Eventually I still would have had both.

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#38 NVIDIATI
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[QUOTE="tormentos"] How was the PS3 over priced.? Sgt_Crow
600 dollars for a GAME CONSOLE? Are you serious?

But it was also a blu-ray player :P

And for someone like myself it was either an inexpensive BD player with above average playback, or start saving for an Oppo BD player.

I regret not saving for the Oppo :|

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#39 bbkkristian
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PS3, duh. :P Free internet! :o
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#40 PAL360
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How was the PS3 over priced.? tormentos

It´s not overpsiced if you are looking for a gaming console AND and bluray player. As a gaming console only, i find 360 to be a better deal (personal opinion of course). It has a bigger and more diverse library of games, same tech/graphical quality, it´s a safer option for most games and i prefer the controller.

On topic, i would still get the 360 (for the reason listed above) but understand how PS3 would be a good deal for some (free online and bluray).

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#41 slvrraven9
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[QUOTE="commonfate"]

[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"]Great question for the Cowspot audience (the majority). If the PS3 and 360 would be released together the PS3 would still be a 600 dollar, overpriced piece of beep without any good games. I'd go for a 360 all over again.Sgt_Crow

TC asked if they were released at the same price and with the same catalog of games... so either you're cherry picking, have poor reading skills or you do not think that the PS3 has any good exclusives as of right now.

Considering your passionate response though, I can comfortably assume you would still say 360, which is a fine choice nevertheless.

Stupid questions (in my opinion) require stupid answers.

that doesnt make any sense...and i dont think the question was stupid. a bit unoriginal and unimaginative but not stupid. you just overlooked the fact that he stated "WITH THE CURRENT LIBRARY OF GAMES" thus you made your mistake and are now trying to pass the buck so you dont look as ridiculous. no that wasnt a stupid answer....you justoverlooked a key phrase in the sentence

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#43 slvrraven9
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[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"]Great question for the Cowspot audience (the majority). If the PS3 and 360 would be released together the PS3 would still be a 600 dollar, overpriced piece of beep without any good games. I'd go for a 360 all over again.tormentos
How was the PS3 over priced.? Stand alone Blu-ray player on 2006 were $1,000 + Next gen console $400 that = $1,400 for just $600,and if i count xbox live is $50 dollars more $1,450. On 2005 the PS3 would have not release with Blu-Ray,it would have been release with DVD probably,Blu-Ray did not made it out until 2006 even that development started on 2000,and the first player was finish on 2003,the tech was even less cost effective and more expensive on 2005. With DVD alone the PS3 would have been on par with the xbox 360 in price or less. And to finish the xbox 360 on launch had a far from great line up of games,the best games was basically COD2 which was also available on PC,in other word a non exclusive game that would have also landed on PS3 as well at the same time. The outcome would probably had been very different from the one we have now,especially with the 360 dying all over the place.

im sorry but you must not have read that PD:Z got a 9 here on GS also NFS:MW was a launch game. DOA4, Oblivion, Ghost Recon, Condemned, PGR3 alongside a selection of others honorable mentions. far from a great launch lineup??? it was argueably the best one this gen. wtf are you on???
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#44 ShadowMoses900
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PS3 for me, it's just more suited to my tastes. The 360 is a good system too but the RROD is what killed it for me and I got the RROD after warrenty so I couldn't send it in. Also I didn't like paying for xbox live and I prefer PSN, I'm not saying xbox live is a bad service or anything (it does some things better than psn) but I just want to play my game that I bought online without hassel, and psn let's me do that. I don't care about cross game chat or any of that other stuff, but some people do and that's perfectly cool, neither service is really "better" than the other it's a prefernce.

Also there are more PS3 exclusives that I enjoy than 360 exclusives, the only two 360 only games I enjoy is Halo Reach and Alan Wake (very underrated btw) PS3 only games I enjoy are God of War, Uncharted 1 and 2, MGS4, LBP 1 and 2, Heavy Rain, Demons souls, Rachet and Clankect...

But other people like 360 exclsuives better and that's perfectly fine, no one is "wrong" in their opinion.

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#45 tormentos
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[QUOTE="tormentos"] How was the PS3 over priced.? PAL360

It´s not overpsiced if you are looking for a gaming console AND and bluray player. As a gaming console only, i find 360 to be a better deal (personal opinion of course). It has a bigger and more diverse library of games, same tech/graphical quality, it´s a safer option for most games and i prefer the controller.

On topic, i would still get the 360 (for the reason listed above) but understand how PS3 would be a good deal for some (free online and bluray).

No matter how you look at the PS3 is not over priced since launch. The xbox 360 was never a better deal,the $399 premium 360 lack online gaming,HDMI,blu-ray,games talking if they both where launch the same year which is the point of this thread,the xbox 360 and PS3 would have been on par,those games would have not been 360 exclusives,the xbox 360 got several exclusives by default because it was the only next gen console,if the PS3 and 360 launched the same year that advantage would have been non existent. Is not the safer option for most game in fact the PS3 is,HDD in all units,free online play greatly out weight a frame less or a few polygons here and there on a versions which would other wise be the same. The controller is a taste thing,you prefer it many don't i my self don't have a problem with any of the 2.
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#46 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="tormentos"] How was the PS3 over priced.? Stand alone Blu-ray player on 2006 were $1,000 + Next gen console $400 that = $1,400 for just $600,and if i count xbox live is $50 dollars more $1,450. On 2005 the PS3 would have not release with Blu-Ray,it would have been release with DVD probably,Blu-Ray did not made it out until 2006 even that development started on 2000,and the first player was finish on 2003,the tech was even less cost effective and more expensive on 2005. With DVD alone the PS3 would have been on par with the xbox 360 in price or less. And to finish the xbox 360 on launch had a far from great line up of games,the best games was basically COD2 which was also available on PC,in other word a non exclusive game that would have also landed on PS3 as well at the same time. The outcome would probably had been very different from the one we have now,especially with the 360 dying all over the place.tormentos
Except one would have to recognize that under a hypothetical situation certain changes would be caused by that simple fact... A year pushup of release on the 360 and lower price on the ps3... Most of what you said would be completely invalid under those circumstances.

Push the xbox 360 1 year latter into 2006 and basically it loss all the time exclusives it got because there was no other console on the market,games like Dead Rising would have been multiplatform from the starts,Ghost Recon,Oblivion,Saints Row all multiplatform basically many of the games xbox 360 fans still claim as exclusives,would have landed on PS3 the same year as on 360,also since there is not only 1 console but 2 it would be incredibly hard for MS to negotiate exclusives over the PS3,considering the PS2 was still selling great on 2006. Many of the exclusives deals MS got were part of the first mover advantage,since they started first they had allot more on their side to negotiate with developers. 1 year later or 1 year early the xbox 360 would have loss its first movers advantage,kind of like sega would have loss SC and Resident Evil CV if they release the unit on 2000 alone side the PS2.

If you had your way in the debate the ps3 would have evolved under the hypothetical to be a super computer that bathed the world in forever warm light and fed the world and gave us world peace the 360 would have evolved to have a 100% failure..rate..etc In short there is no point in debating with you.

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#48 tormentos
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"] im sorry but you must not have read that PD:Z got a 9 here on GS also NFS:MW was a launch game. DOA4, Oblivion, Ghost Recon, Condemned, PGR3 alongside a selection of others honorable mentions. far from a great launch lineup??? it was argueably the best one this gen. wtf are you on???

Here it got 9.0 on Meta and Game rankings it has 81 far under that 9 gamespot claimed. Some of the game you mention were not launch games,they arrived several months after launch. Oblivion = march 2006. Not exclusive also on PC. Ghost Recon = March 2006. NOt exclusive also on PC. NFS most wanted wasn't even console exclusive it was on PS2. It was basically on launch PDZ,PGR3,Kameo and a truck load of ports. Considering that if both units would have release at the same time many of those games would have also landed on PS3 at the same time it make it null for the purpose of this thread,sony did not had a great also.
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#49 tormentos
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If you had your way in the debate the ps3 would have evolved under the hypothetical to be a super computer that bathed the world in forever warm light and fed the world and gave us world peace the 360 would have evolved to have a 100% failure..rate..etc In short there is no point in debating with you.WilliamRLBaker
The fun part is that all those games hyped as 360 exclusive on 2006 are now o PS3 as sequels and in some cases like Oblivion in actual form,so yeah i know those games would have landed on PS3 if they release the same year,look at the xbox 360 now struggling to get anything exclusive,and in most cases what is does is assure that its user base are the first to pay for over priced DLC. For you there is nothing good on PS3,and there would never be anything good. Only you would think that the xbox 360 would land 30 exclusives and sony nothing if they were both release the same year.
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#50 commonfate
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If the PS3 and 360 had launched at the same time with the same games, the PS3 WOULDN'T have all these exclusives.

These recent exclusives, enjoyable though they are, are nothing but Sony's attempts at staying competitive. They have to keep pumping out all these titles and buying all these studios in order to keep their head afloat. If the PS3 had been released at a competitive price to the 360, I feel like it would have been just a super PS2 (which would have been awesome), with a stellar lineup of third party titles. Not only that but the games we play today would probably be completely different. Many people, including myself, bought the 360 over the PS3 because it was cheaper and brand loyalty only exists on internet forums, not in the real world market. Everyone wonders where the Japanese side of gaming has gone this gen. They haven't magically decreased in quality or disappeared from gaming just because... they've migrated to handhelds because PS3 was too expensive to dev for, people weren't buying it and Japan would never make the 360 their main platform. It is silly to think about it but I've always wondered what kind of JRPGs and other Japanese games on consoles we would see had Sony played their cards right at the beginning.