If the PS3 doesn't outsell the 360 in March,then KZ2 will have failed.

All 1st party games are flag bearers for their respective consoles,some even become mascots.But all are designed to raise the profile of the console and boost sales.

That brings me on to KZ2.We all know that sales of the game have been slightly disappointing,but cows seem to be ignoring or denying another obvious truth here: that KZ2 was supposed to be the killer-app for teh PS3.

Consider the following:

-Tens of millions of dollars were spent developing the game along with its engine.

-It took around a half-decade to complete.

-It was Sony's showpiece at numerous events and conferences.

Now when you consider those things,there is no doubt in my mind what Sony was intending here.They saw the enormous success of Halo 3 and GeoW,and said "hey,we want I slice of that".

With all the resources devoted to the game there is no way Sony didn't expect KZ2 to move hardware,heck even MGS4 did for a little while.That's why,whether cows like it or not,KZ2 will not have done the job Sony wanted it to do if the PS3 doesn't beat out the 360 for at least one month.

PS3 already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

If this arguement is what SW is all about, then SALES are now more important than ever before to us, the gamers.

I guess the Wii is the ULTIMATE MACHINE THEN.

From what I can see, KZ2 is selling quite well, and it's only one month old (Imagine...KZ2 has ALL YEAR to sell, and then next year, etc.).

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BTW : KZ2 took 3 + years - 4 Years to make.

PS3 already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

lolfaqs

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

PS3 already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

rybe1025

and profit does not = sales which = the topic of this thread.

PS3 already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

Wow this is getting old so fast. Both Cows and Lemmings need to get off the killzone 2 train.

Really, have we resorted to it failing because it isn't pushing hardware now? It's a AAAe game, which I chalk up as a win to the PS3.

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

PS3 already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

IronBass

How about it? This topic is about sales.

What game has given a 8 million console sale increase? i dont think even MGS4 could do this.So if MGS4 The AAAAE of the PS3 didnt give it a large 8 million console sale increase in the short amount of time that it was released then HOW THE HELL IS KILLZONE 2 SUPPOSED TO DO IT?!Come on it's common sense is it realy that hard?

PS3 already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

lolfaqs

He is talking about units sold, not revenue in $ ..

But even then, going by your logic, I bet that $200 per console is making more profit than $400 .

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

PS3 already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

How about it? This topic is about sales.

All 1st party games are flag bearers for their respective consoles,some even become mascots.But all are designed to raise the profile of the console and boost sales.

That brings me on to KZ2.We all know that sales of the game have been slightly disappointing,but cows seem to be ignoring or denying another obvious truth here: that KZ2 was supposed to be the killer-app for teh PS3.

Consider the following:

-Tens of millions of dollars were spent developing the game along with its engine.

-It took around a half-decade to complete.

-It was Sony's showpiece at numerous events and conferences.

Now when you consider those things,there is no doubt in my mind what Sony was intending here.They saw the enormous success of Halo 3 and GeoW,and said "hey,we want I slice of that".

With all the resources devoted to the game there is no way Sony didn't expect KZ2 to move hardware,heck even MGS4 did for a little while.That's why,whether cows like it or not,KZ2 will not have done the job Sony wanted it to do if the PS3 doesn't beat out the 360 for at least one month.

GabeNewellsPie

and those 2 points made this a KICKASS game. Sorry, but i dont work for sony or microsoft. and i dont really care how much money these guys make. I just want to play the best games, and dont make pointless topics because you're jealous of the game. fanboy.

KZ2 already failed with it's sloppy multiplayer. Making it a rental.

If this arguement is what SW is all about, then SALES are now more important than ever before to us, the gamers.

SolidTy

Wii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 360 >>> PS3

Wii is the best console this gen, and 360 and PS3 fail, according to teh sales game the TC wishes to play.

Anyways, I'm going to go play my games, since I can't play with sales. :)

Does this mean it's a sales flop? Is that what the TC is getting at?

Robbie Bach, President of M$' EDD, which includes the Xbox Division: May 2007

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/features/bach-xbox-business-profitable-next-year/70371/?biz=1

"Right now we're doing a pretty good job," he said. "We're humming pretty well in the business. Our costs are a little higher than we'd like, [but] we're pushing those down; there are good initiatives underway to drive that. Game attach rate [is at the] highest level in history for a game console at this stage in the life cycle. The same with our peripheral attach rate. Xbox Live has over 6 million members.

"The pieces are in place to drive the proverbial billion dollars. Specific date—oh, that's going to depend on what happens in pricing, which partly we control, partly we don't. You know what happens in component costs—mostly we have pretty good influence over that, but there are places where we don't. Pricing on memory goes up and down seemingly like a yo-yo, so [we have to manage] through that. So, it's a business that will be profitable next year—we'll make money next year and that will be the first time, which is pretty exciting. And then the next two or three years are the place where you need to make tracks, and the next two or three years are where you have to make money."

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] How about profit?IronBass

How about it? This topic is about sales.

yup, and revenue = sales

PS3 already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

lolfaqs

huh?!? you do realize that you missed the point... right?

Dude...enough with KZ2 already...holy **** people are annoying.

All 1st party games are flag bearers for their respective consoles,some even become mascots.But all are designed to raise the profile of the console and boost sales.

That brings me on to KZ2.We all know that sales of the game have been slightly disappointing,but cows seem to be ignoring or denying another obvious truth here: that KZ2 was supposed to be the killer-app for teh PS3.

Consider the following:

-Tens of millions of dollars were spent developing the game along with its engine.

-It took around a half-decade to complete.

-It was Sony's showpiece at numerous events and conferences.

Now when you consider those things,there is no doubt in my mind what Sony was intending here.They saw the enormous success of Halo 3 and GeoW,and said "hey,we want I slice of that".

With all the resources devoted to the game there is no way Sony didn't expect KZ2 to move hardware,heck even MGS4 did for a little while.That's why,whether cows like it or not,KZ2 will not have done the job Sony wanted it to do if the PS3 doesn't beat out the 360 for at least one month.

GabeNewellsPie

already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

How about it? This topic is about sales.

yup, and revenue = sales

lemmings and sheep play sales

cows play games.

lemmings and sheep play sales

cows play games.

Rhubarb9

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

mattbbpl

It's no more meaningless than units sold without factoring in the price differential. In fact, revenue is more important than units sold.

KZ2 already failed with it's sloppy multiplayer. Making it a rental.

nmaharg

lemmings and sheep play sales

cows play games.

Rhubarb9

How funny, I've seen about20 threads this week about how the PS3 outsold the Wii in Japan.

Jill's lemonade stand sells 100 glasses of lemonade at $2 each.

Jack's lemonade stand sells 70 glasses of lemonade at $4 each.

Who outsold who?

lemmings and sheep play sales

cows play games.

Rhubarb9

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

It's no more meaningless than units sold without factoring in the price differential. In fact, revenue is more important than units sold.

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]

KZ2 already failed with it's sloppy multiplayer. Making it a rental.

munu9

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

lolfaqs

It's no more meaningless than units sold without factoring in the price differential. In fact, revenue is more important than units sold.

Revenue/Sales aside.

Bottom line: More profit= More money for the company. And money is the ultimate goal.

Case Closed.

Jill's lemonade stand sells 100 glasses of lemonade at $2 each.

Jack's lemonade stand sells 70 glasses of lemonade at $4 each.

Who outsold who?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

It's no more meaningless than units sold without factoring in the price differential. In fact, revenue is more important than units sold.

Not necessary. We judge sales to see which console is more popular . That makes them a lot more important.IronBass

oh, well, if all you care about is popularity, sales and profit are even more meaningless.

Jill's lemonade stand sells 100 glasses of lemonade at $2 each.

Jack's lemonade stand sells 70 glasses of lemonade at $4 each.

Who outsold who?

lolfaqs

Not if it costs Jill 30 c to make whereas it costs Jack 3$ to make...

Jill's lemonade stand sells 100 glasses of lemonade at $2 each.

Jack's lemonade stand sells 70 glasses of lemonade at $4 each.

Who outsold who?

I'd like to hear your basis for this statement. mattbbpl

Sure thing even though I already posted it.

Jill sells 100 glasses of lemonade at $2 per glass.

Jack sells 70 glasses of lemonade at $4 per glass.

Looking purely at units sold, Jill "outsold" Jack. But wait! Jill's lemonade costs 1/2 as much as Jack's lemonade, and, thus, Jill's total revenue is $200 while Jack's total revenue is $280.

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

PS3 already outsells the 360 most months in total revenue.

$400 per console versus $200 per console. Do the math.

dramaybaz

He is talking about units sold, not revenue in $ ..

But even then, going by your logic, I bet that $200 per console is making more profit than $400 .

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Jill's lemonade stand sells 100 glasses of lemonade at $2 each.

Jack's lemonade stand sells 70 glasses of lemonade at $4 each.

Who outsold who?

mattbbpl

And now we're getting into profit, which isn't what this topic is about. This topic is about who outsold who.

All 1st party games are flag bearers for their respective consoles,some even become mascots.But all are designed to raise the profile of the console and boost sales.

That brings me on to KZ2.We all know that sales of the game have been slightly disappointing,but cows seem to be ignoring or denying another obvious truth here: that KZ2 was supposed to be the killer-app for teh PS3.

Consider the following:

-Tens of millions of dollars were spent developing the game along with its engine.

-It took around a half-decade to complete.

-It was Sony's showpiece at numerous events and conferences.

Now when you consider those things,there is no doubt in my mind what Sony was intending here.They saw the enormous success of Halo 3 and GeoW,and said "hey,we want I slice of that".

With all the resources devoted to the game there is no way Sony didn't expect KZ2 to move hardware,heck even MGS4 did for a little while.That's why,whether cows like it or not,KZ2 will not have done the job Sony wanted it to do if the PS3 doesn't beat out the 360 for at least one month.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Jill's lemonade stand sells 100 glasses of lemonade at $2 each.

Jack's lemonade stand sells 70 glasses of lemonade at $4 each.

Who outsold who?

lolfaqs

And now we're getting into profit, which isn't what this topic is about. This topic is about who outsold who.

To outsell

• verb (past and past part. outsold) be sold in greater quantities than.

The 360 was sold in grater quantities than the PS3 = the 360 outsold the PS3.

Revenue has nothing to do with the verb "to outsell".

To outsell

• verb (past and past part. outsold) be sold in greater quantities than.

The 360 was sold in grater quantities than the PS3 = the 360 outsold the PS3.

Revenue has nothing to do with the verb "to outsell".

IronBass

So you'd rather be Jill with $200 in your pocket instead of Jack with $280 in your pocket? Ok.