IF the PS4 comes without Backward Compatibility (Poll)

Don't really care for BC too much honestly, but having PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 in one box is sex.iWin1337

I was ONLY thinking of BC with PS3. 8)

dont expect it gotta get 10 yrs outta the ps3 rememberlol

I really hope PS4 plays PS3 games it would really boost sales

Only reason Wii sold that much was because it was fully Backward Compatibility

I personally bought Wii just to play Gamecube games since Wii doesn't have many decent games

Zurrur

I'd buy it, but still keep my PS3 I guess.

OMG no i'd be pissed

This might happen if Sony wants to avoid high production cost, like they did with the PS3 in the beginning.

I personally think it would be a shame if the PS4 came out without BC. :|

dr_jashugan

IBM owns Transitive i.e. the magic behind Apple's Rosetta (PPC-to-X86 translator).

http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/cellsystemsim

IBM already has CELL-BE system simulator.Most system simulators focuses on accuracy instead of speed.

Unless they keep using the Cell processor I don't see backwards compatibility happening. We've reached the point where proprietary console hardware is too sophisticated to be emulated using software. PS2_ROCKS

Documentation would be a problem for 3rd party emulator devs. The CELL itself is not too hard i.e. reasonable documentation from IBM. The problem would be NVIDIA GPU and DRM. Very few people knows about creating just-in-time (JIT)recompiler or persistent translators i.e. NV/AMD GPU drivers includes JIT recompiler technologies.

On completion of JIT G7X(presents libCGM interface to higher layers) to NV CUDA/ATI Stream/D3D11 translators, send resume to Intel/NV/AMD.

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This might happen if Sony wants to avoid high production cost, like they did with the PS3 in the beginning.

I personally think it would be a shame if the PS4 came out without BC. :|

ronvalencia

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This might happen if Sony wants to avoid high production cost, like they did with the PS3 in the beginning.

I personally think it would be a shame if the PS4 came out without BC. :|

dr_jashugan

Intel(for GMA), NVIDIA(for Geforce) and AMD(for Radeons)would not open source their JIT complier driver technology.

This might happen if Sony wants to avoid high production cost, like they did with the PS3 in the beginning.

I personally think it would be a shame if the PS4 came out without BC. :|

dr_jashugan

I think the architecture of the PS4 will be too different, and not powerful enough, to emulate the ps3. I still may buy it, but I have a feeling Nintendos console will be powerful enough to where multiplatform games arrive for Sony and Nintendo. If that is the case, I may just go with Nintendo. Microsoft might not be here next gen.

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This might happen if Sony wants to avoid high production cost, like they did with the PS3 in the beginning.

I personally think it would be a shame if the PS4 came out without BC. :|

Heirren

I think the architecture of the PS4 will be too different, and not powerful enough, to emulate the ps3. I still may buy it, but I have a feeling Nintendos console will be powerful enough to where multiplatform games arrive for Sony and Nintendo. If that is the case, I may just go with Nintendo. Microsoft might not be here next gen.

For one SPE, you could have one or two PPE cores for JIT translation (with look ahead or speculative JIT) and another PPE for execution. The PPE should include VMX128. JIT translation process must be able keep up with the execution process.

PS; SW doesn't permit any discussions on actual emulator technologies.

Translation or emulator technologies are an interesting science e.g.most modern X86 CPUs includes hardware accelerated and firmware (on-chip) translators i.e. translates X86 CISC/ISA to custom RISC ISA.Modern X86-to-RISC translators are mini-CPUs on their right i.e. have their own register set.

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This might happen if Sony wants to avoid high production cost, like they did with the PS3 in the beginning.

I personally think it would be a shame if the PS4 came out without BC. :|

Heirren

I think the architecture of the PS4 will be too different, and not powerful enough, to emulate the ps3. I still may buy it, but I have a feeling Nintendos console will be powerful enough to where multiplatform games arrive for Sony and Nintendo. If that is the case, I may just go with Nintendo. Microsoft might not be here next gen.

Actually, Sony has a bigger chance of dropping out than Microsoft.

This might happen if Sony wants to avoid high production cost, like they did with the PS3 in the beginning.

I personally think it would be a shame if the PS4 came out without BC. :|

dr_jashugan

I'll be waiting patiently for that $299 price drop...

...I can't justify ever paying more than $300 for a console...especially since games like to go up in price little by little every generation

PS; SW doesn't permit any discussions on actual emulator technologies.

ronvalencia

when the PS4 comes out i will want to play new games designed/released for PS4... i'll still have my PS3 to play my PS3 games... i got the 60GB model with BC and never played 1 single PS2 game... why? cause i still got my old PS2 hooked up to my other standard TV set..

Seriously i cant imagine someone rushing to buy a new console and say ' Cant wait to get my hands on the new PS4 console so i can play my old games such as Uncharted2, GOW3, MGS4, Motorstorm, KZ2 etc etc'.... cause if such ppl own these 'old' PS3 games, it only means they also got a PS3 console :)

I don't buy a new console to play old games

As long as the PS4 is a similar architecture it'll have BC. The PS3 was an oddball of a console, emulating it was hardwork, and including pretty much a PS2 inside the PS3 was costly.

The only people saying no are the people who hate Sony brand. If the Playstation 4 had Backwards compatibility why would that be a reason not to buy it?

I'd probably be late for the party and get it 2-3 years late like I did for the PS3.

Don't really care for BC krayzieE99

That's fine, and I understand where you are coming from, but BC for PSX games on the PS3 is great. 1. My PSX was killed in a flood. 2. You get a more table A/V experience--though I must say there is sometimes something odd with it for some games.

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This might happen if Sony wants to avoid high production cost, like they did with the PS3 in the beginning.

I personally think it would be a shame if the PS4 came out without BC. :|

waltefmoney

I think the architecture of the PS4 will be too different, and not powerful enough, to emulate the ps3. I still may buy it, but I have a feeling Nintendos console will be powerful enough to where multiplatform games arrive for Sony and Nintendo. If that is the case, I may just go with Nintendo. Microsoft might not be here next gen.

Actually, Sony has a bigger chance of dropping out than Microsoft.

They might find a cheap way to add it in, but Honestly I wouldn't mind having my PS3 to use separately with the PS4, although I'd reallly appreciate it added in, as I would love to be able to play PS2 games again...Sister took the PS2 to her house >: (

I wouldn't really mind no BC.

With me having a PS3 (technically), a PS2, a PSP (it can play PS1 games am'right?) and a busted PS1 (now you know why the PSP).

I must say this is the funniest thread ever. I WANT backwards compatibility just for the simple fact that it makes the graphics better on old games and just because a new system comes out doesnt mean that games for the old system just stop being made immediately. As for PS3 when it first came out the only game worth playing was Resistance. Then after that came uncharted and rachet and clank and to a lesser extent folklore. But for everyone who is commenting i would ask do you even have the BC version of the ps3 if not then you dont know the nightmare that was PSN back in 06- early 07

Why not just make a SKU that cost 100$ more but lets you play all your games on one console? Im sure most hardcores would shell out an extra 100$ for BC.

It is worthless to keep on supporting BC especially when Sony will support PS3 as much as they did with PS2 & PS1 for 10 years at least.abuabed

I disagree with this. It's a great motivator to upgrade when your old console finally kicks it and you have a bunch of games for it. Why replace it when you can spend a bit more on the new model and all your games will still work?

I find it funny how a lot of people here act like backwards compatibility is a bad thing. I don't see why people wouldn't want it in a console. I would rather have a PS4 play all my games from PS1-3 on one console rather than have 4 different consoles. HOW IS THIS A BAD THING???

As for the original post why would someone walk into a store, see that the PS4 is backwards compatible and not buy it because of that? Am i the only person that sees something wrong with that?

[QUOTE="abuabed"]It is worthless to keep on supporting BC especially when Sony will support PS3 as much as they did with PS2 & PS1 for 10 years at least.Pug-Nasty

I disagree with this. It's a great motivator to upgrade when your old console finally kicks it and you have a bunch of games for it. Why replace it when you can spend a bit more on the new model and all your games will still work?

All playstation games playable on the PS4 would be beast.

if ps4 comes with BC, then ps3 sales will drop. so their 10 year ps3 plan wont workout. so forget about BC on ps4. maybe one day through emulation when ps3 gets discontinued, or through cloud streaming (whatever that means)