If the PSP isn't a flop, then ZeldaTP isn't a flop.

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#1 LINKloco
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Some of you fanboys here are not willing to accept the PSP is a flop here in SW. It did not meet it's hype, but has sold millions and has some decent rated games. Well, ZeldaTP did not meet it's AAA hype, but did score an 8.8, which is great and has sold millions. By your logic ZeldaTP has not flopped here in SW just as the PSP hasn't. It's official. =)
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I like PSP and Zelda Tp TC fail
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#3 Oligarchy_USA
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You really have no clue as to what a flop is. Even if you are utilizing the lingo for something other than what it actually is because of the maleability of the English language, your definition is so useless that it's not even worth being named.
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#4 Vyse_The_Daring
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They both flopped, happy now?
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who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.
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#6 BigBadButters
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lol dont try to out smart the cows. their secret is to just turn their brain off and spew out random Sony propaganda. that being said Lemmings and Sheep arent much better, i say its best to pick games and systems that are good and or appeal to you and just leave other people alone. SW is to support your system, not bring down others.

being one to be hypocritical, youre right in that cows are contradicting themselves if they disagree. but i also Consider Pokemon Diamond a flop. (still and amazing game though).

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by TC logic Pokemon, Zelda and SUperpaper MarioFlop
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who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.Gzus666

in SW it flopped big time. no way around it.

as much as i wish and think it shouldnt have, it did

/DISSCUSSION

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#9 Vyse_The_Daring
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who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.Gzus666

Outside of SW no it didn't. But in System Wars failing to meet the hype = flop.

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[QUOTE="Gzus666"]who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.6matt6

in SW it flopped big time. no way around it.

as much as i wish and think it shouldnt have, it did

/DISSCUSSION

who cares? all zeldas are good games, there hasnt been a zelda made that i can think of that anyone who likes games says is bad. its just a good series, always has been. no i dont own a wii, the last time i played a zelda game was for SNES on an emulator a few years ago.

loved the originals for NES, just good games, so who cares what "SW" says. most of yous are too young to remember the originals when they came out anyway. too many pre-teens on this forum who dont know jack about games

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#11 LINKloco
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by TC logic Pokemon, Zelda and SUperpaper MarioFlopTnasty11
That's right, but I think Pokemon was hyped AA if I remember correctly. ZeldaTP certainly flopped here.
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#12 pimperjones
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When you make money you ain't a flop. Zelda TP made a bucket load of dough and so the PSP. The PSP is ready to go into its new Slim line and make more dough due to low cost of manfacturing. At the end its not if you live up to the hype nothing ever lives up to the hype, its if you make money or lose money and PSP actually made money for Sony on hardware and thats a rarity for Sony. So no the PSP is not a flop, neither is Zelda TP.
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#13 lawlersauce
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Way to make a new thread to avoid your arse getting spanked like your mommy used to do
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I thought all sheep thought PSP flopped:?
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[QUOTE="Gzus666"]who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.Vyse_The_Daring

Outside of SW no it didn't. But in System Wars failing to meet the hype = flop.

I'm glad to see someone who recognizes how this place works.
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[QUOTE="6matt6"]

[QUOTE="Gzus666"]who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.Gzus666

in SW it flopped big time. no way around it.

as much as i wish and think it shouldnt have, it did

/DISSCUSSION

who cares? all zeldas are good games, there hasnt been a zelda made that i can think of that anyone who likes games says is bad. its just a good series, always has been. no i dont own a wii, the last time i played a zelda game was for SNES on an emulator a few years ago.

loved the originals for NES, just good games, so who cares what "SW" says. most of yous are too young to remember the originals when they came out anyway. too many pre-teens on this forum who dont know jack about games

nice couple of generalizations in your post there. makes you seem real mature yourself.

i have played zelda since the begging and been gaming for a hell of a long time but here in SW we abide by rules to keep the fanboys in check as much as possible. here TP was a flop no matter how you put it.

do me a favour and tell me why you know so much about games please.(refers to bolded)

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#17 lawlersauce
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[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="Gzus666"]who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.LINKloco

Outside of SW no it didn't. But in System Wars failing to meet the hype = flop.

I'm glad to see someone who recognizes how this place works.

...Are you seriously saying that you actually care if it flopped according to SW's hype? Does that really make a difference? I'm sure the people on GameSpot make up barely a 1% of the gaming community in North America alone...

I swear...people obsess over the strangest things these days, and it all started with WoW...

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System Wars is a worthless place if it operates on silly machinations from fanboys. A SW rule is to only use Gamespot scores, rubbish, Gamespot itself links to Metacritic. The other rule of SW has to do with hype, and not living up to it, and that means it's a flop. What a terrible circle of idiocy. Who determines how much hype a game has? Who determines, then, if it lives up to the hype? Why is something that has to do with porous critical reasoning from ONE website constitute the definition of a flop over critical consensus or the only thing that matters, sales?
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#19 Redfingers
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Some of you fanboys here are not willing to accept the PSP is a flop here in SW. It did not meet it's hype, but has sold millions and has some decent rated games. Well, ZeldaTP did not meet it's AAA hype, but did score an 8.8, which is great and has sold millions. By your logic ZeldaTP has not flopped here in SW just as the PSP hasn't. It's official. =)LINKloco

I say to you, Zelda TP is not a flop.

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#20 LINKloco
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[QUOTE="LINKloco"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="Gzus666"]who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.lawlersauce

Outside of SW no it didn't. But in System Wars failing to meet the hype = flop.

I'm glad to see someone who recognizes how this place works.

...Are you seriously saying that you actually care if it flopped according to SW's hype? Does that really make a difference? I'm sure the people on GameSpot make up barely a 1% of the gaming community in North America alone...

I swear...people obsess over the strangest things these days, and it all started with WoW...

It's different when you're here. Outside of this place I'll state that it wasn't flop, but if I'm posting here it did flop. I think if you are posting here you should abide by these unwritten rules. Makes it a little fun.
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[QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="6matt6"]

[QUOTE="Gzus666"]who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.6matt6

in SW it flopped big time. no way around it.

as much as i wish and think it shouldnt have, it did

/DISSCUSSION

who cares? all zeldas are good games, there hasnt been a zelda made that i can think of that anyone who likes games says is bad. its just a good series, always has been. no i dont own a wii, the last time i played a zelda game was for SNES on an emulator a few years ago.

loved the originals for NES, just good games, so who cares what "SW" says. most of yous are too young to remember the originals when they came out anyway. too many pre-teens on this forum who dont know jack about games

nice couple of generalizations in your post there. makes you seem real mature yourself.

i have played zelda since the begging and been gaming for a hell of a long time but here in SW we abide by rules to keep the fanboys in check as much as possible. here TP was a flop no matter how you put it.

do me a favour and tell me why you know so much about games please.(refers to bolded)

because i started playing games on an atari and a computer, and moved my way from there. learned DOS ins and outs at the age of 7, and have been continually playing games on most systems since. you seem to take the child thing personally when i clearly made a broad statement, not directed at you. most and too many doesnt mean all.

im sure you wranglers of the SW are quite the bunch, and i think you take things quite a bit too seriously in a silly forum. Zelda is a good game, always has and always will be, if youre too blind by the mighty "rules" of SW, then youre quite an interesting gamer, thats for sure.

no system has many games out, for some reason, summer always spurs a drought. thats the way it always goes, but everyone will have plenty of games to play in fall, so we can all enjoy whats out then. till then, you just enjoy whats there, for the wii, its Zelda, for the 360 its forza 2, for the PS3, its sigma.

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#22 Vyse_The_Daring
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[QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="6matt6"]

[QUOTE="Gzus666"]who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.Gzus666

in SW it flopped big time. no way around it.

as much as i wish and think it shouldnt have, it did

/DISSCUSSION

who cares? all zeldas are good games, there hasnt been a zelda made that i can think of that anyone who likes games says is bad. its just a good series, always has been. no i dont own a wii, the last time i played a zelda game was for SNES on an emulator a few years ago.

loved the originals for NES, just good games, so who cares what "SW" says. most of yous are too young to remember the originals when they came out anyway. too many pre-teens on this forum who dont know jack about games

nice couple of generalizations in your post there. makes you seem real mature yourself.

i have played zelda since the begging and been gaming for a hell of a long time but here in SW we abide by rules to keep the fanboys in check as much as possible. here TP was a flop no matter how you put it.

do me a favour and tell me why you know so much about games please.(refers to bolded)

because i started playing games on an atari and a computer, and moved my way from there. learned DOS ins and outs at the age of 7, and have been continually playing games on most systems since. you seem to take the child thing personally when i clearly made a broad statement, not directed at you. most and too many doesnt mean all.

im sure you wranglers of the SW are quite the bunch, and i think you take things quite a bit too seriously in a silly forum. Zelda is a good game, always has and always will be, if youre too blind by the mighty "rules" of SW, then youre quite an interesting gamer, thats for sure.

no system has many games out, for some reason, summer always spurs a drought. thats the way it always goes, but everyone will have plenty of games to play in fall, so we can all enjoy whats out then. till then, you just enjoy whats there, for the wii, its Zelda, for the 360 its forza 2, for the PS3, its sigma.

Days when games flop are by far the most interesting on System Wars, especially if you get in before the sticky thread is made. Of course it's childish and means nothing in the real world, but it's part of what makes SW so funny.

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it got an 8.8..........................and then got a 8.9 to make everyone happy =)
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[QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="6matt6"]

[QUOTE="Gzus666"]who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.Vyse_The_Daring

in SW it flopped big time. no way around it.

as much as i wish and think it shouldnt have, it did

/DISSCUSSION

who cares? all zeldas are good games, there hasnt been a zelda made that i can think of that anyone who likes games says is bad. its just a good series, always has been. no i dont own a wii, the last time i played a zelda game was for SNES on an emulator a few years ago.

loved the originals for NES, just good games, so who cares what "SW" says. most of yous are too young to remember the originals when they came out anyway. too many pre-teens on this forum who dont know jack about games

nice couple of generalizations in your post there. makes you seem real mature yourself.

i have played zelda since the begging and been gaming for a hell of a long time but here in SW we abide by rules to keep the fanboys in check as much as possible. here TP was a flop no matter how you put it.

do me a favour and tell me why you know so much about games please.(refers to bolded)

because i started playing games on an atari and a computer, and moved my way from there. learned DOS ins and outs at the age of 7, and have been continually playing games on most systems since. you seem to take the child thing personally when i clearly made a broad statement, not directed at you. most and too many doesnt mean all.

im sure you wranglers of the SW are quite the bunch, and i think you take things quite a bit too seriously in a silly forum. Zelda is a good game, always has and always will be, if youre too blind by the mighty "rules" of SW, then youre quite an interesting gamer, thats for sure.

no system has many games out, for some reason, summer always spurs a drought. thats the way it always goes, but everyone will have plenty of games to play in fall, so we can all enjoy whats out then. till then, you just enjoy whats there, for the wii, its Zelda, for the 360 its forza 2, for the PS3, its sigma.

Days when games flop are by far the most interesting on System Wars, especially if you get in before the sticky thread is made. Of course it's childish and means nothing in the real world, but it's part of what makes SW so funny.

exactly, this is how this forum works and its entertaining.

everyone is capable of having an opinion on a game just because they havent played as long as you does not mean their opinion is less valid.

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This whole SW business shouldnt be taken outside of SW. If you like the PSP/TP, then you do. Who cares what one stupid score was given, or sales. Enjoy it.
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This whole SW business shouldnt be taken outside of SW. If you like the PSP/TP, then you do. Who cares what one stupid score was given, or sales. Enjoy it. Haziqonfire

indeed.

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This whole SW business shouldnt be taken outside of SW. If you like the PSP/TP, then you do. Who cares what one stupid score was given, or sales. Enjoy it. Haziqonfire

the problem is that used to work in the good old days. small studios would make cool games, then make a sequel even though not a lot of people bought it. i used to love that. but now its all about the buck, so if a game doesnt sell well, there is a large chance there wont be another sequel that gen, or the series gets axed.

Max Payne was one of my favorite 3rd person shooters, i really hope it comes back, but probably not for some reason or another. games have turned into a money maker, which is good and bad. it screws up the classic games, there are very few games made now i think anyone will give a damn about in 10 years, unlike Contra, Space Quest. Castlevania, Commander Keen, Duke Nukem, etc.

im hoping things come back to a nice place of good games with great graphics, but so far it has been lacking this gen.

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I didn't know that Gamespot actually gave the systems themselves a number score.

If the PSP does not have a score, how did it 'flop' then? Because you think so? :lol:

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How do you compare a single title to a whole system?
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I'll put it this way: I don't care if analysts thought PSP would win. I knew DS would end up beating it but Sony has made their entry into the handheld market in a very strong way.

What people don't realise is that the next handheld battle is going to be a lot closer now.

As for TP, I hyped it AA so it didn't flop for me, but SW regards is as a flop due to its AAA hype.

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How was PSP a flop? Sony knew from the start its impossible to win the handheld wars against Nintendo, but just look at how much of the handheld market they've snagged at their first go.

And no LOZ was not a flop.

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I thought sheep were already over Zelda:TP. It has already been beaten to dead.
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How was PSP a flop? Sony knew from the start its impossible to win the handheld wars against Nintendo, but just look at how much of the handheld market they've snagged at their first go.

And no LOZ was not a flop.

junk56

It was hyped AAA in here, and it failed to achieve it in here, so it was a flop in here.

Really, people need to get over it.

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[QUOTE="junk56"]

How was PSP a flop? Sony knew from the start its impossible to win the handheld wars against Nintendo, but just look at how much of the handheld market they've snagged at their first go.

And no LOZ was not a flop.

Panzer_Zwei

It was hyped AAA in here, and it failed to achieve it in here, so it was a flop in here.

Really, people need to get over it.

yet at the end of the day, no one can play any games in here

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#35 Japanese_Monk
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By SW's standards it was a flop. Get over it. It was hyped AAA and it got AA. Same with the PSP. It was hyped to oblivion and said to dethrone Nintendo. The PSP and Zelda are Flops by SW's standards.
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[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="junk56"]

How was PSP a flop? Sony knew from the start its impossible to win the handheld wars against Nintendo, but just look at how much of the handheld market they've snagged at their first go.

And no LOZ was not a flop.

Gzus666

It was hyped AAA in here, and it failed to achieve it in here, so it was a flop in here.

Really, people need to get over it.

yet at the end of the day, no one can play any games in here

If people don't care about GS scores why do they whine about them? why do they hype games in here in the first place?

Everybody whines when their game flops, yet can't wait to bash when the other's game flops. It's the game that everybody decided to play here, why should there be exceptions?

Sheep hyped Zelda:TP, and in a very arrogant manner I may add, they already got their bashing and whined about it, I don't see the point of continuing to do so.

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who says Zelda was a flop? i cant think of any zelda game i would consider a flop, all fun games that i have ever played, the original up till now.Gzus666

Except for the CD-i Zelda games of course lol

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#38 LINKloco
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I didn't know that Gamespot actually gave the systems themselves a number score.

If the PSP does not have a score, how did it 'flop' then? Because you think so? :lol:

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I don't need a score to know what this handheld was hyped and see that it didn't meet expectations. It's an easy judgement call.
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#39 LINKloco
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How was PSP a flop? Sony knew from the start its impossible to win the handheld wars against Nintendo, but just look at how much of the handheld market they've snagged at their first go.

And no LOZ was not a flop.

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ZeldaTP was a huge flop.
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#40 osirisomeomi
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The PSP doesn't get a gamespot rating. TP did. However ,if you use the more accurate metacritic rating, TP got a 95 out of 100.
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#41 eosmera
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[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

I didn't know that Gamespot actually gave the systems themselves a number score.

If the PSP does not have a score, how did it 'flop' then? Because you think so? :lol:

LINKloco

I don't need a score to know what this handheld was hyped and see that it didn't meet expectations. It's an easy judgement call.

I know my opinion doesn't matter but the PSP lived up to my expectations, I didn't care that Sony over-hyped it...that is what Sony does. The PSP has fulfilled what I wanted it to do, it plays games,music,movies...that's all I really wanted it to do.

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#42 TekkenMaster606
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[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

I didn't know that Gamespot actually gave the systems themselves a number score.

If the PSP does not have a score, how did it 'flop' then? Because you think so? :lol:

LINKloco

I don't need a score to know what this handheld was hyped and see that it didn't meet expectations. It's an easy judgement call.

That's not as clear and obvious as an 8.8.

Those people that hyped the PSP as the next coming of Jesus didn't speak for me. They probably didn't speak for most. Fact is, Zelda has a concrete review at this website while the PSP does not.

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#43 LINKloco
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[QUOTE="LINKloco"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

I didn't know that Gamespot actually gave the systems themselves a number score.

If the PSP does not have a score, how did it 'flop' then? Because you think so? :lol:

eosmera

I don't need a score to know what this handheld was hyped and see that it didn't meet expectations. It's an easy judgement call.

I know my opinion doesn't matter but the PSP lived up to my expectations, I didn't care that Sony over-hyped it...that is what Sony does. The PSP has fulfilled what I wanted it to do, it plays games,music,movies...that's all I really wanted it to do.

That's fine. It reguards the people that hyped this as the handheld that would dethrone Nintendo from the handheld market and probably to their graves. If they were trying to claim ownage over this stuff, then it should have consideration for a flop if it failed. Accountability for both outcomes. Cuz, I know if every unfolded as it were hype all the cows would be all over it.
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#44 TekkenMaster606
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Cuz, I know if every unfolded as it were hype all the cows would be all over it.LINKloco

Saturday. Powerball. Please. Because you obviously got one of them special De Loreans that run off garbage.

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#45 Big_T-Mac
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the wii version is a flop in many respects. its inferior to the gc version!
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#46 Wasdie  Moderator
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The PSP isn't a flop because it withstood Nintendo's onslaught, the first handheld ever to do that. It has sold well over 20 million systems worldwide and has hundreds of games. Even though the DS has outsold it 6 to 1 it still has a firm place in the handheld market, no other handheld in the last 15 years has been able to do that.

Zelda TP was a flop in SW, but in real life out side of this board and website, it was a major success.

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#47 LINKloco
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[QUOTE="LINKloco"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

I didn't know that Gamespot actually gave the systems themselves a number score.

If the PSP does not have a score, how did it 'flop' then? Because you think so? :lol:

TekkenMaster606

I don't need a score to know what this handheld was hyped and see that it didn't meet expectations. It's an easy judgement call.

That's not as clear and obvious as an 8.8.

Those people that hyped the PSP as the next coming of Jesus didn't speak for me. They probably didn't speak for most. Fact is, Zelda has a concrete review at this website while the PSP does not.

True, but you can't deny the overall hype of what the PSP was going to do and what it ended up not doing. Sales and DS on top is concrete evidence of how the hype wasn't met. I'm sure if it succeeded in living out the hype it would have been definite bragging rights here that no one questioned, so there should be some accountability if the hype was not met.
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#48 mattyomo99
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wowwww, wuta dumb thred. The PSP is a multi-media masterpiece. it plays music, videos, games, hd movies, and full internet access. The psp isnt all games its other stuff
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#49 Lazy_Boy88
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What a stupid topic. ZeldaTP's score on a single site doesn't matter at all no matter how much the stupid fanboys here say it does. It appealed to fans fine and that's all that counts. But it is pathetic that Okami, a similar game that is new and better in most ways can sell horribly though. Damn sheep don't even care if it's not from Nintendo.
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#50 LINKloco
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[QUOTE="LINKloco"]Cuz, I know if every unfolded as it were hype all the cows would be all over it.TekkenMaster606

Saturday. Powerball. Please. Because you obviously got one of them special De Loreans that run off garbage.

It's not hard to tell what a fanboy will do in SW.