If the rumors are true, MS might dominate 2008......

They might even surpass Nintendo........nah, maybe not, but:

-GTA 4 with exclusive content in the 1st quarter of 2008.

-Ninja Gaiden 2, Alan Wake, Banjoo, Perfect Dark 2, Lost Odyssey, Fable 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Too Human, Halo Wars all scheduled for 2008.

-A possible 2nd price drop later on it 2008.

-A X360 with a built-in HD-DVD player and TIVO like features.

-Gears of War 2 rumored to be released for Xmas 2008according toEGMs mole.

Sony better bring their A game....or should I say AAA games.

Sony better bring their A game....

Dr_Drooom

lol they just did

Not a problem.oldskooler79

lol at the /h/ fan sig

I think Wii and PS3 will hog the spotlight next year.

Wii with Wiifit and SSBB, its low price, and good media attention. PS3 will start to get more media attention, Sony will push more marketing for the console due to bigger game releases like GT5 and MGSIV next year.

I'm pretty sure Sony will bring their AAA game :wink: I'll list a few MGS4, Killzone 2, Infamous, GT5, (rumored God Of War 3), (rumored Resistance 2), (rumored Jak and Daxter 4), FFXIII (japan only), White Knight, Little Big PlanetB1ACK_MAGE

They can bring them, but will people buy them?

The attach rate on the X360 has been through the roof.

What kind of game should the Wii bring ?

What kind of game should the Wii bring ?

Nike_Air

Movie tie ins. It needs more

The 360 looks to have an entertaining lineup. But so does every other console. I don't see anything there that is really going to push it forward in the eyes of the average consumer. In fact, a significant price drop for the PS3, putting it on level playing field with the 360, will actually end up hurting the 360 for 2008, in my opinion.i_like_pizza

You don't see anything to push it forward?

The list of exclusives above, XBL evolving even further, possibly 2 price drops, X360 being the choice of Madden 2009 consumers and Gears of War 2 will not push the X360?

doubt it. in order for the 360 to dominate it would have to sell worldwide. the ps3 has had a boost in sales because of the price in europe i expect another boast in sales when ads start showing the 80 gb at 500 and the new 400 dollar ps3.

EDIT Also as for the 360 passing the wii, in your dreams

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]The 360 looks to have an entertaining lineup. But so does every other console. I don't see anything there that is really going to push it forward in the eyes of the average consumer. In fact, a significant price drop for the PS3, putting it on level playing field with the 360, will actually end up hurting the 360 for 2008, in my opinion.Dr_Drooom

You don't see anything to push it forward?

The list of exclusives above, XBL evolving even further, possibly 2 price drops, X360 being the choice of Madden 2009 consumers and Gears of War 2 will not push the X360?

You've gotta understand, 2008 holds the hopes and dreams of every cow on the planet; they can't possible even consider the idea that MS might have a good year, because if they do, the PS3 gets even closer to staying in 3rd place this gen. Cows are pretty much looking only at MGS and FF for next year, and ignoring everything the 360 may or may not put out, because it's much easier on their psyche.

But yes, 2008 could well be a huge year for the 360, again. If Gears of War 2 were to come out (though personally I don't think it will)...Look out.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]The 360 looks to have an entertaining lineup. But so does every other console. I don't see anything there that is really going to push it forward in the eyes of the average consumer. In fact, a significant price drop for the PS3, putting it on level playing field with the 360, will actually end up hurting the 360 for 2008, in my opinion.Dr_Drooom

You don't see anything to push it forward?

The list of exclusives above, XBL evolving even further, possibly 2 price drops, X360 being the choice of Madden 2009 consumers and Gears of War 2 will not push the X360?

Ummm.... yeah, you read that right.

GoW 1 already came out, sold to the same audience as GoW 2 will sell to.

XBL isn't the selling point of the 360. Its games are. I have never once heard someone say, "I want to buy a 360 because of XBL." I have heard at least 20 people say, "I want to buy the 360 because of Halo 3."

The price drops are a big bonus. But really, I don't know if MS can afford them. If they happen, that's great. But I don't expect two to happen, and if one does, it's going to be a drop of the Premium (the only one that actually sells) to $300, so it's still going to be more than the Wii when it launched. A $300 console is still not going to sell phenomenally well, no matter how great its value (the PS3 is a great value at $600, mind you).

Madden sells to the same audience every year as well, and as was seen by the sales of '08, Madden lovers already own their 360s. It's not like Madden is going to push a half-million 360s in August.

So, yeah, you read that right.

all MS needs to do to win 2008 is market GTA4 like they did Madden 08 i mean seriously did anyone ever see a madden ad WITHOUT "360" at the end?

if they price drop the 360 and give this message to consumers "buy a 360 for only $299 and get to play the best game this year GTA4." If consumers can get the message the 360 is cheaper than the ps3 than MS wins 2008 of course this is just my personal theory and could be really really wrong.

They might even surpass Nintendo........nah, maybe not, but:

-GTA 4 with exclusive content in the 1st quarter of 2008.

-Ninja Gaiden 2, Alan Wake, Banjoo, Perfect Dark 2, Lost Odyssey, Fable 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Too Human, Halo Wars all scheduled for 2008.

-A possible 2nd price drop later on it 2008.

-A X360 with a built-in HD-DVD player and TIVO like features.

-Gears of War 2 rumored to be released for Xmas 2008according toEGMs mole.

Sony better bring their A game....or should I say AAA games.

Dr_Drooom

GTA4 is on PS3 as well and you need to pay for the extra content. Also Rockstar said PS3 will have content as well.

Ninja Gaiden 2 will score well but not a system seller, Alan Wake is PC, Perfect Dark 2 isn't scheduled to be made until next year so expect 2009, Banjoo will score well but is not a system seller, Lost Odyssey is made by a guy behind FF so it should be good...SHOULD...Fable 2 isn't sounding good right now as Fable letdown and Fable 2 is sounding over simplified, Splinter Cell will be dwarfed by MGS4 and is for PC, Too Humans looks good but so did Lair don't hype it yet, Halo Wars will not equal Halo 3 as past Halo side games didn't fair well.

All systems will have more price drops including the PS3

HD DVD and Tivo? Not likely as that would increase the price too much

Gears of War 2? Multiplat like the first one on PC and with a rumored God of War 3 coming in 2008 and Gears being on PC that may lessen it's effect

-HOME

-Motorstorm 2

-Echochrome (downloadable)

-War Devil

-Pain(downloadable)

-Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

-White Night Story

-Killzone 2

-Little Big Planet

-Heavy Rain

-Infamous

-Eight Days

-Africa

-Socom 5

-Resistance 2

-Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier

-Metal Gear: Online

-Game Republic Project #3( possible genji sequel)

-Team Ico Project #1

-The Agency

-Star Ocean 4

rumble

god of war 3 (rumor)

team ninja project #2(the people who made HEavenly sword)

and a possible price drop

also there is the 5 free blu ray movies deal and plus many unannounced titles

[QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]The 360 looks to have an entertaining lineup. But so does every other console. I don't see anything there that is really going to push it forward in the eyes of the average consumer. In fact, a significant price drop for the PS3, putting it on level playing field with the 360, will actually end up hurting the 360 for 2008, in my opinion.SeanBond

You don't see anything to push it forward?

The list of exclusives above, XBL evolving even further, possibly 2 price drops, X360 being the choice of Madden 2009 consumers and Gears of War 2 will not push the X360?

You've gotta understand, 2008 holds the hopes and dreams of every cow on the planet; they can't possible even consider the idea that MS might have a good year, because if they do, the PS3 gets even closer to staying in 3rd place this gen. Cows are pretty much looking only at MGS and FF for next year, and ignoring everything the 360 may or may not put out, because it's much easier on their psyche.

But yes, 2008 could well be a huge year for the 360, again. If Gears of War 2 were to come out (though personally I don't think it will)...Look out.

I was unaware that I am a cow. Thanks for the information. I must have missed the memo.

The thing that leads me to believe the 360 won't have a significantly bigger '08 than '07 (which has been abysmal for a potential 1st place console) is a thing called common sense. I'm not a cow in the slightest.

[QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]The 360 looks to have an entertaining lineup. But so does every other console. I don't see anything there that is really going to push it forward in the eyes of the average consumer. In fact, a significant price drop for the PS3, putting it on level playing field with the 360, will actually end up hurting the 360 for 2008, in my opinion.i_like_pizza

You don't see anything to push it forward?

The list of exclusives above, XBL evolving even further, possibly 2 price drops, X360 being the choice of Madden 2009 consumers and Gears of War 2 will not push the X360?

Ummm.... yeah, you read that right.

GoW 1 already came out, sold to the same audience as GoW 2 will sell to.

XBL isn't the selling point of the 360. Its games are. I have never once heard someone say, "I want to buy a 360 because of XBL." I have heard at least 20 people say, "I want to buy the 360 because of Halo 3."

The price drops are a big bonus. But really, I don't know if MS can afford them. If they happen, that's great. But I don't expect two to happen, and if one does, it's going to be a drop of the Premium (the only one that actually sells) to $300, so it's still going to be more than the Wii when it launched. A $300 console is still not going to sell phenomenally well, no matter how great its value (the PS3 is a great value at $600, mind you).

Madden sells to the same audience every year as well, and as was seen by the sales of '08, Madden lovers already own their 360s. It's not like Madden is going to push a half-million 360s in August.

So, yeah, you read that right.

Gears of War 2 will be bigger than the first; the first game sold 3 million+ without nearly as much hype as the second will have, and Halo is a perfect example of what happens to games that receive more and more hype. As to 360 price drops, if Sony can afford them for the PS3 (which they lose massive money on), MS can certainly afford more of them for the 360. The more the 360 drops its price, the closer to mainstream the price point becomes. I don't think the 360 will outright crush the PS3 in 2008, but I think Sony's hole is deep enough that it's going to take an absolute landslide next year to put them over the 360.

[QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

Sony better bring their A game....

Slurms_M

lol they just did

:lol:

the ratchet and clank punchlines will never end

What kind of game should the Wii bring ?

Nike_Air

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

What kind of game should the Wii bring ?

yoshi_64

I think the idea that the fact that Wii Fit is now being mentioned as a huge Wii selling point should sicken most gamers...

Not that it won't sell well (unfortunately it will), but if I wanted exercise equipment, I would've put my $250 ina bowflex...

[QUOTE="Slurms_M"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

Sony better bring their A game....

JB730

lol they just did

:lol:

the ratchet and clank punchlines will never end

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]The 360 looks to have an entertaining lineup. But so does every other console. I don't see anything there that is really going to push it forward in the eyes of the average consumer. In fact, a significant price drop for the PS3, putting it on level playing field with the 360, will actually end up hurting the 360 for 2008, in my opinion.SeanBond

You don't see anything to push it forward?

The list of exclusives above, XBL evolving even further, possibly 2 price drops, X360 being the choice of Madden 2009 consumers and Gears of War 2 will not push the X360?

Ummm.... yeah, you read that right.

GoW 1 already came out, sold to the same audience as GoW 2 will sell to.

XBL isn't the selling point of the 360. Its games are. I have never once heard someone say, "I want to buy a 360 because of XBL." I have heard at least 20 people say, "I want to buy the 360 because of Halo 3."

The price drops are a big bonus. But really, I don't know if MS can afford them. If they happen, that's great. But I don't expect two to happen, and if one does, it's going to be a drop of the Premium (the only one that actually sells) to $300, so it's still going to be more than the Wii when it launched. A $300 console is still not going to sell phenomenally well, no matter how great its value (the PS3 is a great value at $600, mind you).

Madden sells to the same audience every year as well, and as was seen by the sales of '08, Madden lovers already own their 360s. It's not like Madden is going to push a half-million 360s in August.

So, yeah, you read that right.

Gears of War 2 will be bigger than the first; the first game sold 3 million+ without nearly as much hype as the second will have, and Halo is a perfect example of what happens to games that receive more and more hype. As to 360 price drops, if Sony can afford them for the PS3 (which they lose massive money on), MS can certainly afford more of them for the 360. The more the 360 drops its price, the closer to mainstream the price point becomes. I don't think the 360 will outright crush the PS3 in 2008, but I think Sony's hole is deep enough that it's going to take an absolute landslide next year to put them over the 360.

You're not talking to a cow.

Your Gears prediction is baseless. I agree that I think it will sell more, but I don't have a good reason for it. But even if sells 1 million more, the vast majority of that 4+ million will be current 360 owners. What new audience is it going to sell to? You bring up Halo, as if every Halo game has had a massive amount of success in comparison to its predecessor, but that claim is also quite baseless. It's not like Halo 2 did phenomenally better than Halo 1, and we haven't even seen where Halo 3 will end up yet. Give it time. Halo 3 isn't even nearly as popular as games by the likes of Nintendogs, GTA, or Pokemon. It's big, but it's nowhere near being the biggest thing in gaming.

And look at what Halo did for the 360.More than 2million units of software in NA, and only an extra quarter million units above the average from a hardware standpoint. Halo was not a huge hardware mover. Why? Because 360 owners bought it before it came out because they knew it was coming. The audience for MS's key games are all the same.

The PS2 sold well because it had an extremely diverse lineup. The 360 does not boast a diverse lineup. Its marquis titles are shooters, action, and sports games. Those are big genres, but they are not enough to sell significantly more than it has already sold.

[QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]The 360 looks to have an entertaining lineup. But so does every other console. I don't see anything there that is really going to push it forward in the eyes of the average consumer. In fact, a significant price drop for the PS3, putting it on level playing field with the 360, will actually end up hurting the 360 for 2008, in my opinion.i_like_pizza

You don't see anything to push it forward?

The list of exclusives above, XBL evolving even further, possibly 2 price drops, X360 being the choice of Madden 2009 consumers and Gears of War 2 will not push the X360?

Ummm.... yeah, you read that right.

GoW 1 already came out, sold to the same audience as GoW 2 will sell to.

XBL isn't the selling point of the 360. Its games are. I have never once heard someone say, "I want to buy a 360 because of XBL." I have heard at least 20 people say, "I want to buy the 360 because of Halo 3."

The price drops are a big bonus. But really, I don't know if MS can afford them. If they happen, that's great. But I don't expect two to happen, and if one does, it's going to be a drop of the Premium (the only one that actually sells) to $300, so it's still going to be more than the Wii when it launched. A $300 console is still not going to sell phenomenally well, no matter how great its value (the PS3 is a great value at $600, mind you).

Madden sells to the same audience every year as well, and as was seen by the sales of '08, Madden lovers already own their 360s. It's not like Madden is going to push a half-million 360s in August.

So, yeah, you read that right.

So many things wrong with your post...........1st MS CAN afford to lower the price. Not sure you've even bothered to check that MS gaming division made a profit this past qtr. It's Sony that can't afford another price drop.

2nd $250-300 is probably the sweet spot for console sales, $400-$500 is NOT. The casual gamer doens't care about value when they see that high of a price tag.

3rd What games do you think sold soooo many PS2's? Madden, FF, GT ect.... do you think all the fans of those games bought the PS2 when it 1st came out???? Good games will continue to sell consoles well years after the game has come out. Its retarded to say that games like GeOW2 or Madden 09 won't sell more consoles.

Absolutely no one knows the future of any of the consoles but if you had to guess you'd one would have to side with the Wii or 360. The PS3 has a long uphill battle ahead.

and the funny thing is: that R&C scored 8.5 and better at every other review site except for Gamespot's. Kinda makes you wonder eehhhh??!?!?!?!?
ermacness

No not really

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

What kind of game should the Wii bring ?

SeanBond

I think the idea that the fact that Wii Fit is now being mentioned as a huge Wii selling point should sicken most gamers...

Not that it won't sell well (unfortunately it will), but if I wanted exercise equipment, I would've put my $250 ina bowflex...

that wouldn't even buy you the workout bench. Bowflex is a total ripoff.

[QUOTE="JB730"][QUOTE="Slurms_M"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

Sony better bring their A game....

ermacness

lol they just did

:lol:

the ratchet and clank punchlines will never end

GS is the only site to rate it below AA and its AAA at gamerankings.....Curious. But we have a thread for that.

I am still wondering about uncharted next month, better be AA atleast.

-Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

-White Night Story

-Killzone 2

-Little Big Planet

-Socom 5

-Resistance 2

-Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier

-Star Ocean 4

imapieceofwood

Thats the real list, all the other stuff you had is total BS (this is coming from a ps3 owner to boot mate).

[QUOTE="JB730"][QUOTE="Slurms_M"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

Sony better bring their A game....

ermacness

lol they just did

:lol:

the ratchet and clank punchlines will never end

Umm yeah makes you wonder why the game reviewer would offer his opinion instead of someone like, oh I don't know, YOURs.Ever think that maybe he just didn't find the game to be aw inspiring unlike all the cows. You do realize that reviews are nothing more than one mans OPINION.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]The 360 looks to have an entertaining lineup. But so does every other console. I don't see anything there that is really going to push it forward in the eyes of the average consumer. In fact, a significant price drop for the PS3, putting it on level playing field with the 360, will actually end up hurting the 360 for 2008, in my opinion.kingtito

You don't see anything to push it forward?

The list of exclusives above, XBL evolving even further, possibly 2 price drops, X360 being the choice of Madden 2009 consumers and Gears of War 2 will not push the X360?

Ummm.... yeah, you read that right.

GoW 1 already came out, sold to the same audience as GoW 2 will sell to.

XBL isn't the selling point of the 360. Its games are. I have never once heard someone say, "I want to buy a 360 because of XBL." I have heard at least 20 people say, "I want to buy the 360 because of Halo 3."

The price drops are a big bonus. But really, I don't know if MS can afford them. If they happen, that's great. But I don't expect two to happen, and if one does, it's going to be a drop of the Premium (the only one that actually sells) to $300, so it's still going to be more than the Wii when it launched. A $300 console is still not going to sell phenomenally well, no matter how great its value (the PS3 is a great value at $600, mind you).

Madden sells to the same audience every year as well, and as was seen by the sales of '08, Madden lovers already own their 360s. It's not like Madden is going to push a half-million 360s in August.

So, yeah, you read that right.

So many things wrong with your post...........1st MS CAN afford to lower the price. Not sure you've even bothered to check that MS gaming division made a profit this past qtr. It's Sony that can't afford another price drop.

2nd $250-300 is probably the sweet spot for console sales, $400-$500 is NOT. The casual gamer doens't care about value when they see that high of a price tag.

3rd What games do you think sold soooo many PS2's? Madden, FF, GT ect.... do you think all the fans of those games bought the PS2 when it 1st came out???? Good games will continue to sell consoles well years after the game has come out. Its retarded to say that games like GeOW2 or Madden 09 won't sell more consoles.

Absolutely no one knows the future of any of the consoles but if you had to guess you'd one would have to side with the Wii or 360. The PS3 has a long uphill battle ahead.

I never said a word about the PS3, except for the fact that a further price drop for it would hurt the 360. That's an obviously true statement. I didn't say the PS3 would pass it, or even sell evenly with it. You lems are crazy. I'm not even a cow, but I can definitely see the sense in a PS3 being comparably priced with a 360 being a BAD thing for the 360.

The thing that sold so many PS2s was its incredibly diverse lineup. Look at the number of million-sellers on the PS2. It's LUDICROUS. There are crap games that no one even knows about that have sold more than 500,000 on the PS2. It's because crap games that no one knows about still have an audience, and their audience is not the same audience as great games that everyone knows about.

Great games that everyone knows about are not enough to sell 100 million consoles. I would even argue that they are not enough to sell 60 million consoles.

You have to have a gigantic library to even hope to reach 100 million different people, because there are SO many people with different tastes out there. Not everyone buys Bioshock. Not everyone buys Halo, or GTA, or Madden, or FF. Lots of people do, but the rest of sales have come from somewhere else.

Pokemon is the biggest system seller around (maybe besides Nintendogs), and it does not sell 50 million copies. The greatest system-sellers level off at 15 million. The rest of the sales come from a diverse lineup.

I don't know how many times I have to say that. Diversity will sell consoles. Not more of the same.

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="JB730"][QUOTE="Slurms_M"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

Sony better bring their A game....

kingtito

lol they just did

:lol:

the ratchet and clank punchlines will never end

Umm yeah makes you wonder why the game reviewer would offer his opinion instead of someone like, oh I don't know, YOURs.Ever think that maybe he just didn't find the game to be aw inspiring unlike all the cows. You do realize that reviews are nothing more than one mans OPINION.

[QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

Sony better bring their A game....

Slurms_M

lol they just did

LOL

The sad thing is...you are speaking the truth.

-HOME

-Motorstorm 2

-Echochrome (downloadable)

-War Devil

-Pain(downloadable)

-Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

-White Night Chronicles* they changed the name( I don't know why GS hasn't updated this yet)

-Killzone 2

-Little Big Planet

-Heavy Rain

-Infamous

-Eight Days

-Africa

-Socom 5

-Resistance 2

-Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier

-Metal Gear: Online

-Game Republic Project #3( possible genji sequel)

-Team Ico Project #1

-The Agency

-Star Ocean 4

rumble

god of war 3 (rumor)

team ninja project #2(the people who made HEavenly sword)

and a possible price drop

also there is the 5 free blu ray movies deal and plus many unannounced titles

imapieceofwood

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="JB730"][QUOTE="Slurms_M"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

Sony better bring their A game....

DeathIsARight

lol they just did

:lol:

the ratchet and clank punchlines will never end

GS is the only site to rate it below AA and its AAA at gamerankings.....Curious. But we have a thread for that.

I am still wondering about uncharted next month, better be AA atleast.

It's AA at Metacritic and Game Revolution also gave it a rating bellow AA...Curious how cows have a problem reading nowadays.

But hey, keep waiting...one day your AAA will come.

GTA4 w/ exclusive content at launch would be good

-PS3's got its killer apps that destroy that line up

-Wii and PS3 can get price drops

-I though extra features didn't matter? if true the console will be $400+

-That'd be cool..but GeOW isn't exclusive

so 1 1/2 valid points

-GTA 4 with exclusive content in the 1st quarter of 2008.

-Ninja Gaiden 2, Alan Wake, Banjoo, Perfect Dark 2, Lost Odyssey, Fable 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Too Human, Halo Wars all scheduled for 2008.Dr_Drooom

Unfortunately, the ONLY game i'm looking forward to in that is, well, Ninja Gaiden 2.

My thoughts:

I think the GTA series in itself is crap, hated it since GTA I.
PD2? PDZ was disappointing enough. I still like to call it my worst investment in a shooter I've ever made.
Lost odyssey? Can anyone say copy of Final Fantasy?
Fable 2? Fable 1 had its issues...
Splinter Cell? Eh, enjoyable, but not amazing.
Halo wars? Oh man, RTS's on consoles. The biggest fail of all time. I don't CARE that BFME2 got a 8.2 on the 360, it still SUCKED in comparison to the PC version.
Alan Wake? Same chance of succeeding as Drake's fortune. Looks semi interesting though.
Banjoo? Never heard of it.
Too Human? Eh, dunno. Looks interesting.
Ninja Gaiden 2? AMAZING.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]and the funny thing is: that R&C scored 8.5 and better at every other review site except for Gamespot's. Kinda makes you wonder eehhhh??!?!?!?!?
Slurms_M

No not really

If Rockstar follows some of the other developers and for some reason delays GTA 4 even by a few weeks,the PS3 better start writing it's will.

I wonder what exclusives MS will $ecure in 2008? Some multi-plats might be going time exclusive or fully to the X360.

Also, I don't think some of you guys realize that FF and MGS will do nothing here in the US....abroad they shall do well, but don't expect them to sell 5 or 6 million copies if the PS3 installed user base is not even close to 10 million.

GT, Socomand God of War 3 are the only ones that will sell well here in the US.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]The 360 looks to have an entertaining lineup. But so does every other console. I don't see anything there that is really going to push it forward in the eyes of the average consumer. In fact, a significant price drop for the PS3, putting it on level playing field with the 360, will actually end up hurting the 360 for 2008, in my opinion.i_like_pizza

You don't see anything to push it forward?

The list of exclusives above, XBL evolving even further, possibly 2 price drops, X360 being the choice of Madden 2009 consumers and Gears of War 2 will not push the X360?

Ummm.... yeah, you read that right.

GoW 1 already came out, sold to the same audience as GoW 2 will sell to.

XBL isn't the selling point of the 360. Its games are. I have never once heard someone say, "I want to buy a 360 because of XBL." I have heard at least 20 people say, "I want to buy the 360 because of Halo 3."

The price drops are a big bonus. But really, I don't know if MS can afford them. If they happen, that's great. But I don't expect two to happen, and if one does, it's going to be a drop of the Premium (the only one that actually sells) to $300, so it's still going to be more than the Wii when it launched. A $300 console is still not going to sell phenomenally well, no matter how great its value (the PS3 is a great value at $600, mind you).

Madden sells to the same audience every year as well, and as was seen by the sales of '08, Madden lovers already own their 360s. It's not like Madden is going to push a half-million 360s in August.

So, yeah, you read that right.

So many things wrong with your post...........1st MS CAN afford to lower the price. Not sure you've even bothered to check that MS gaming division made a profit this past qtr. It's Sony that can't afford another price drop.

2nd $250-300 is probably the sweet spot for console sales, $400-$500 is NOT. The casual gamer doens't care about value when they see that high of a price tag.

3rd What games do you think sold soooo many PS2's? Madden, FF, GT ect.... do you think all the fans of those games bought the PS2 when it 1st came out???? Good games will continue to sell consoles well years after the game has come out. Its retarded to say that games like GeOW2 or Madden 09 won't sell more consoles.

Absolutely no one knows the future of any of the consoles but if you had to guess you'd one would have to side with the Wii or 360. The PS3 has a long uphill battle ahead.

I never said a word about the PS3, except for the fact that a further price drop for it would hurt the 360. That's an obviously true statement. I didn't say the PS3 would pass it, or even sell evenly with it. You lems are crazy. I'm not even a cow, but I can definitely see the sense in a PS3 being comparably priced with a 360 being a BAD thing for the 360.

The thing that sold so many PS2s was its incredibly diverse lineup. Look at the number of million-sellers on the PS2. It's LUDICROUS. There are crap games that no one even knows about that have sold more than 500,000 on the PS2. It's because crap games that no one knows about still have an audience, and their audience is not the same audience as great games that everyone knows about.

Great games that everyone knows about are not enough to sell 100 million consoles. I would even argue that they are not enough to sell 60 million consoles.

You have to have a gigantic library to even hope to reach 100 million different people, because there are SO many people with different tastes out there. Not everyone buys Bioshock. Not everyone buys Halo, or GTA, or Madden, or FF. Lots of people do, but the rest of sales have come from somewhere else.

Pokemon is the biggest system seller around (maybe besides Nintendogs), and it does not sell 50 million copies. The greatest system-sellers level off at 15 million. The rest of the sales come from a diverse lineup.

I don't know how many times I have to say that. Diversity will sell consoles. Not more of the same.

Common sense doesn't work on here.

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Sony better bring their A game....

Pimpshigity21

lol they just did

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the ratchet and clank punchlines will never end

GS is the only site to rate it below AA and its AAA at gamerankings.....Curious. But we have a thread for that.

I am still wondering about uncharted next month, better be AA atleast.

It's AA at Metacritic and Game Revolution also gave it a rating bellow AA...Curious how cows have a problem reading nowadays.

But hey, keep waiting...one day your AAA will come.

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[QUOTE="ermacness"]and the funny thing is: that R&C scored 8.5 and better at every other review site except for Gamespot's. Kinda makes you wonder eehhhh??!?!?!?!?
ermacness

No not really

I havent played RCTOD so I wouldn't know.

why do people think killzone 2 will be any good? crappy games usually have crappy sequels and now killzone is imitating the newly used cover systemkrunkfu2

Just like people think Fable 2 will be better when the first one wasn't.

Oh yeah... I suggest you go play MGS and Killswitch because the cover system has been out for a while.