If the rumors are true, MS might dominate 2008......

GTA4 is on PS3 as well and you need to pay for the extra content. Also Rockstar said PS3 will have content as well.DeathIsARight

Oh noes! Paying for content! That never happens on teh PS3!!1

Care to link Rockstar's claim of content on PS3? I think I know what you're talkingabout, and it was just a rumor that never got confirmed.

[QUOTE="Pimpshigity21"]

It's AA at Metacritic and Game Revolution also gave it a rating bellow AA...Curious how cows have a problem reading nowadays.

But hey, keep waiting...one day your AAA will come.

ermacness

Wow, what a comeback that was. Way to go...

The review says 7.5 so deal it.

If Rockstar follows some of the other developers and for some reason delays GTA 4 even by a few weeks,the PS3 better start writing it's will.

I wonder what exclusives MS will $ecure in 2008? Some multi-plats might be going time exclusive or fully to the X360.

Also, I don't think some of you guys realize that FF and MGS will do nothing here in the US....abroad they shall do well, but don't expect them to sell 5 or 6 million copies if the PS3 installed user base is not even close to 10 million.

GT, Socomand God of War 3 are the only ones that will sell well here in the US.

Dr_Drooom

So only America counts when it comes to sales?,man I'm American myself but that statement made no sense.

Well though MS has a good line up next year. You're forgetting Silent Hill 5.

If Halo 3, Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, Forza, Mass Effect can't keep the 360 ahead of the Wii in sales nothing will.

Seriously.

Will anything ever sell more 360s than Halo 3? Maybe Gears 2, but Halo is much more popular and y'know what it really didn't seem to do much with the 360 outselling the Wii for the first time by a whopping 20,000 units.

They might even surpass Nintendo........nah, maybe not, but:

-GTA 4 with exclusive content in the 1st quarter of 2008.

-Ninja Gaiden 2, Alan Wake, Banjoo, Perfect Dark 2, Lost Odyssey, Fable 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Too Human, Halo Wars all scheduled for 2008.

-A possible 2nd price drop later on it 2008.

-A X360 with a built-in HD-DVD player and TIVO like features.

-Gears of War 2 rumored to be released for Xmas 2008according toEGMs mole.

Sony better bring their A game....or should I say AAA games.

Dr_Drooom

-Nothing is going to surpass Nintendo, unless they just stop making games completely. Its too affordable and too accessible.

-GTA 4 is not exclusive, quit using it as any sort of ownage. Any downloadable content will have some sort of counterpart on the PS3 anyway.

-Here is the problem with that list of games: Half of them are new IPs. New IPs cannot be used as any sort of ownage because the PS3 and the Wii have new IPs coming out as well. You can argue which IPs look better back and forth all day, all you are doing is arguing about screenshots, trailers, and gameplay vids. No matter how good a game looks, it can still flop in both scores and sales (look at Lair, HS, Blue Dragon, Two Worlds, etc.).

-NG2: will probably be a great game

-Alan Wake: Why do you think this game is coming out in 08? You know it has no release date, right? You know there hasn't been any sort of update for it in over a year, right? No new screenshots, videos, notes, nothing.

-PDZ 2: whether or not you think the original PDZ on 360 was good or not, everyone knows that its sequel will have to do some amazing things to separate it from the flood of FPS games coming to consoles, especially on the 360. And again, where is there any sort of evidence that this game is coming out in 08?

-Fable 2: I hope its amazing

-Splinter Cell Conviction: This game will be completely overshadowed by MGS4, especially if it releases at around the same time (and they are both slated for Q1 release at the moment). It will probably sell decently, but expect most of its sales to come from fans of the series who already own a 360. Not to many people are going to choose this and a 360 over MGS4 and the PS3.

-Halo Wars: Its a CONSOLE RTS. I'll say that again CONSOLE RTS. These traditionally do not work. This game will have to do something to convince people that its not simply a Command & Conquer Clone set in the Halo Universe. Again, it will probably sell decently, but that will be because of Halo fans who already own a 360.

-I don't see the premium 360 selling for anything less than 300 dollars anytime soon. I don't have anything to base this off of, its just an opinion. But selling the 360 for 200 or 250 dollars, this early? Thats madness, especially when you consider how many consumers have yet to buy a next-gen console (more on that later).

-360 with built in HD-DVD. Don't forget one thing: games will still not be made using the HD-DVD and the benefits that go with it. Since the HD-DVD is not the standard format for the 360 (and won't become it), its use will be limited to what it is now. And why anyone would want to put an HD-DVD drive, and the components that go with it, inside a console that already has heating issues, is beyond me.

I think you mentioned Xbox Live updates and new features in a later post. If you honestly think improved online service will make a difference, I remind you that the PS3 is getting Home next year...for free. Personally, I think Home is nothing special, but since you brought up the online, I'll bring up Home.

Now then, back to the issue of consumers who have not bought a next-gen console yet.

1. Last gen there were between 160 and 200 consoles sold, between the xbox, the ps2, and the gamecube. 200 is a pretty high estimate, but you get the point, its a significant number regardless.

2. The gaming industry is growing. This is understood and accepted as fact.

3. So far this gen, there have been somewhere between 30 and 40 million next-gen consoles sold (wii, ps3, 360). Compare that to consoles sold last-gen and you have a difference of at least 120 million. That means that at least 120 million more consoles will be sold this generation.

The distribution of how many sales go to each console is dependent on several things (price, game selection, features, etc.). This is why nobody can already claim that at this point in time that one console has already won this gen.

Also don't forget the number of PS2 owners. For the most part, I'm guessing the consumers who bought that system were satisfied with it. I'm also guessing that the two main reasons why they haven't moved on to the ps3 is because of 1) the price and 2) the games. Both of those issues should be non-existent next year. Factor this in with the combined support of blu-ray, free online, and non-faulty hardware and you have quite a nice little product.

Since you felt the need to list games, I will do the same. This is where the PS3 succeeds in the upcoming year(s). Again, we can argue in circles conerning new IPs all day. However, the PS3 has the edge when it comes to having their standby franchises releasing installments next year. The names get mentioned a lot:

MGS4

GT5

FFXIII - 09? Who knows

SOCOM: CONFRONTATION or SOCOM 4

TEKKEN 6

In most cases, those games are the most popular ones in their respective genres, for the past gen or two anyway. Those are games that people buy systems for. The 360 does not have comparable games to counter those next year. Yes, yes it has NG2, Fable 2, SC:C, and Banjo 3. But those games are not on the same level or in the same genre.

When it comes to fighting the 360 has DoA. And its getting a port of the rushed VF5 (what the developers of that game have been doing since the near perfect VF4 in 2002 is beyond me). In fact, the multi-plat Soul Calibur will probably be better than either of those games. Meanwhile, PS3 is getting Tekken 6. The developers screwed up Tekken 4, but have since figured out 3D and returned to form with Tekken 5. The fact that they are bringing back pretty much every fighter in the history of the series (No Dr. Bosco, but 40 playable characters) doesn't hurt either.

"Stealth" games? MGS4 screams next-gen. Read about this game and it just gets more impressive. Conviction looks like another installment in the series. SC already made its debut this gen and it was nothing special. Its a good thing the developers took a year off to work on the game (normally only take a year between releases), however putting it up against MGS4 is not smart.

Racing games? PGR4 released with a whimper. Forza has come and gone. How people are still comparing either of those games to the next GT is beyond me. I'm not talking about GT online demo or GT Prologue, I'm talking about Gran Turismo 5. As usual, PD is doing unprecedented things with the series. 900 cars? The deal with Top Gear? GTFO.

Socom? This series was extremely successful last gen (it was the most popular online game for the PS2). And that was with the PS2's crappy internet adapter and online service. PS2 owners are still playing SOCOM 2 online. This game will thrive on the PS3 with its free, and integrated, online.

FFXIII. SE could crap in a box, label it Final Fantasy, and it would sell. MS better keep trying when it comes to countering this game. Blue Dragon? Back to the drawing board. The last one sold over 3.5 million copies, despite the fact that it released at the end of the PS2's lifespan. Oh, and the developers also radically changed the familar battle system that was the staple of the franchise as well.

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

What kind of game should the Wii bring ?

Slurms_M

Movie tie ins. It needs more

Oh silly you guys.

The Wii would bring

Super Smash Bros Brawl, Mario Kart, Monster Hunter 3 (exclusive), Fatal Frame 4 (exclusive), No More Heroes (Exclusive) Dragon Quest Swords (exclusive) Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (exclusive) Kirby Wii, Yoshi Wii, Orb (exclusive), Thorn (exclusive), Harker, Animal Crossing (rumored to be now a MMO), Sadness (exclusive), Prince of Persia Prequels, Mortal Kombat 8, Red Steel 2 ( if you can hype Killzone 2 after killzone 1's failure at GSpot we can hype RS 2) those are just a few but i don't imagine you'll say anything in response with any relavance.

coz fatal frame is the "kiddy"!

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

I never said a word about the PS3, except for the fact that a further price drop for it would hurt the 360. That's an obviously true statement. I didn't say the PS3 would pass it, or even sell evenly with it. You lems are crazy. I'm not even a cow, but I can definitely see the sense in a PS3 being comparably priced with a 360 being a BAD thing for the 360.

The thing that sold so many PS2s was its incredibly diverse lineup. Look at the number of million-sellers on the PS2. It's LUDICROUS. There are crap games that no one even knows about that have sold more than 500,000 on the PS2. It's because crap games that no one knows about still have an audience, and their audience is not the same audience as great games that everyone knows about.

Great games that everyone knows about are not enough to sell 100 million consoles. I would even argue that they are not enough to sell 60 million consoles.

You have to have a gigantic library to even hope to reach 100 million different people, because there are SO many people with different tastes out there. Not everyone buys Bioshock. Not everyone buys Halo, or GTA, or Madden, or FF. Lots of people do, but the rest of sales have come from somewhere else.

Pokemon is the biggest system seller around (maybe besides Nintendogs), and it does not sell 50 million copies. The greatest system-sellers level off at 15 million. The rest of the sales come from a diverse lineup.

I don't know how many times I have to say that. Diversity will sell consoles. Not more of the same.

sakura_Ex

Common sense doesn't work on here.

The problem with that argument is that the PS2's strength didn't start out being its huge library (believe it or not, at one point the PS2 didn't have 1000 games). As many people have pointed out countless times, the PS2 really picked up steam when it dropped to around $150 or $200, because that's when the general public could afford it. The argument that if Halo 3 couldn't sell 360s than nothing will is an understandable conclusion, but not necessarily completely correct. Arguing any side is, at this point pure conjecture, but the most likely pickup in sales will be when the two HD consoles drop to around the price of the Wii (for the 360 this means the Pro, not that crummy Arcade sku).

Right now the fight in 2008 will be for public opinion, not absolute dominanceofthe console user base, because neither system is cheap enough to truly hit its stride. A big year for the 360 will mean proving that it isn't a one trick pony, and that it can stand up to the PS3's heavy hitters, and fire back with its own. If the 360 can match the PS3 in 2008, it will probably end up ensuring the PS3 stays in 3rd for the rest of this generation, because it will have a library equal to or greater than the PS3's, and the profitability (allowing for another good price drop) to be the first of the two HD consoles to take the leap into the mainstream. The install base will come (although it's probably safe to say that no one system will match the PS2 this gen), but right now each company needs to focus on showing their wares.

[QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]The 360 looks to have an entertaining lineup. But so does every other console. I don't see anything there that is really going to push it forward in the eyes of the average consumer. In fact, a significant price drop for the PS3, putting it on level playing field with the 360, will actually end up hurting the 360 for 2008, in my opinion.i_like_pizza

You don't see anything to push it forward?

The list of exclusives above, XBL evolving even further, possibly 2 price drops, X360 being the choice of Madden 2009 consumers and Gears of War 2 will not push the X360?

Ummm.... yeah, you read that right.

GoW 1 already came out, sold to the same audience as GoW 2 will sell to.

XBL isn't the selling point of the 360. Its games are. I have never once heard someone say, "I want to buy a 360 because of XBL." I have heard at least 20 people say, "I want to buy the 360 because of Halo 3."

The price drops are a big bonus. But really, I don't know if MS can afford them. If they happen, that's great. But I don't expect two to happen, and if one does, it's going to be a drop of the Premium (the only one that actually sells) to $300, so it's still going to be more than the Wii when it launched. A $300 console is still not going to sell phenomenally well, no matter how great its value (the PS3 is a great value at $600, mind you).

Madden sells to the same audience every year as well, and as was seen by the sales of '08, Madden lovers already own their 360s. It's not like Madden is going to push a half-million 360s in August.

So, yeah, you read that right.

GeOW currently has worldwide sales of about 4 million with potentially 5 million ltd. GeOW 2 will probably sell twice that because it has proven itself as an IP, and by the time it's released will have a much larger install base (See Halo CE vs. Halo 2 for reference). XBL is a selling point particularly for PC gamers. PC gamers who are interested in getting a console usually choose the 360 because the games are similar.

MS can afford price drops as evidenced by the most recent fiscal quarter. They had a price drop in the middle of it and still came out in the black. So all of your points are easily refutable. There is no buzz around the PS3 like there is around the Wii and the 360. The 360 has compelling software, and the Wii is a freak of nature. The PS3? Well, for my hard earned money, why not just buy a PS2 with its huge library and cheap price? The PS3 is, in a word, unnecessary.

[QUOTE="sakura_Ex"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

I never said a word about the PS3, except for the fact that a further price drop for it would hurt the 360. That's an obviously true statement. I didn't say the PS3 would pass it, or even sell evenly with it. You lems are crazy. I'm not even a cow, but I can definitely see the sense in a PS3 being comparably priced with a 360 being a BAD thing for the 360.

The thing that sold so many PS2s was its incredibly diverse lineup. Look at the number of million-sellers on the PS2. It's LUDICROUS. There are crap games that no one even knows about that have sold more than 500,000 on the PS2. It's because crap games that no one knows about still have an audience, and their audience is not the same audience as great games that everyone knows about.

Great games that everyone knows about are not enough to sell 100 million consoles. I would even argue that they are not enough to sell 60 million consoles.

You have to have a gigantic library to even hope to reach 100 million different people, because there are SO many people with different tastes out there. Not everyone buys Bioshock. Not everyone buys Halo, or GTA, or Madden, or FF. Lots of people do, but the rest of sales have come from somewhere else.

Pokemon is the biggest system seller around (maybe besides Nintendogs), and it does not sell 50 million copies. The greatest system-sellers level off at 15 million. The rest of the sales come from a diverse lineup.

I don't know how many times I have to say that. Diversity will sell consoles. Not more of the same.

SeanBond

Common sense doesn't work on here.

The problem with that argument is that the PS2's strength didn't start out being its huge library (believe it or not, at one point the PS2 didn't have 1000 games). As many people have pointed out countless times, the PS2 really picked up steam when it dropped to around $150 or $200, because that's when the general public could afford it. The argument that if Halo 3 couldn't sell 360s than nothing will is an understandable conclusion, but not necessarily completely correct. Arguing any side is, at this point pure conjecture, but the most likely pickup in sales will be when the two HD consoles drop to around the price of the Wii (for the 360 this means the Pro, not that crummy Arcade sku).

Right now the fight in 2008 will be for public opinion, not absolute dominanceofthe console user base, because neither system is cheap enough to truly hit its stride. A big year for the 360 will mean proving that it isn't a one trick pony, and that it can stand up to the PS3's heavy hitters, and fire back with its own. If the 360 can match the PS3 in 2008, it will probably end up ensuring the PS3 stays in 3rd for the rest of this generation, because it will have a library equal to or greater than the PS3's, and the profitability (allowing for another good price drop) to be the first of the two HD consoles to take the leap into the mainstream. The install base will come (although it's probably safe to say that no one system will match the PS2 this gen), but right now each company needs to focus on showing their wares.

PS2 won last gen when it releaed GT3, DMC, MGS2, GTA3, Twisted Metal: Black, Tony Hawk 3, Jak and Daxter and FFX all in 2001. Because again, DIVERSITY.

So many things wrong with your post...........1st MS CAN afford to lower the price. Not sure you've even bothered to check that MS gaming division made a profit this past qtr. It's Sony that can't afford another price drop.

kingtito

I didn't take the time to point this out earlier, but you don't have a basis for your claim, from anything that I can tell.

MS doesn't havea "gaming division" They have an "Entertainment and Devices" division, of which the Xbox has recently become a part of. That divisions profit in the first fiscal quarter may or may not have been due to anything that the Xbox generated.

And either way, even if the 360 did produce a profit (which we are unsure of), how does that mean that MS can afford a price drop? It doesn't make business sense to sell your console at a loss when its already two years into its lifespan if you only plan on keeping the console alive for a maximum of 3 more years.

But then again, not much of MS's business strategy makes sense.

NavigatorsGhost

PS2 won last gen when it releaed GT3, DMC, MGS2, GTA3, Twisted Metal: Black, Tony Hawk 3, Jak and Daxter and FFX all in 2001. Because again, DIVERSITY.

So then the 360 will win this gen because of GTAIV, DMC4, Forza, Skate, Full Auto, Lost Odyssey, Halo 3 and Gears of War? Look, no one's arguing that the PS2 didn't have a diverse lineup, but diverse lineups come from 3rd party devs supporting your system, and that comes from your system selling. The 360 has a much more diverse lineup that the Xbox did, and they're working hard to do even more with Japanese devs (Take Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Lost Odyssey, Beautiful Katamari, and Infinite Undiscovery for example.), which honestly was a huge difference maker for Sony last gen. The 360 clearly doesn't have the PS2's lineup or their 3rd party support just yet, but the PS3 is even farther from it. If the 360 continues to sell, and 3rd parties continue to be happy with software sales (Capcom was pretty excited about Dead Rising and Lost Planet), there's no reason to assume that the PS3 will just run circles around the 360 in this department. Hell, SquareEnix and Konami have already expressed their displeasure with the PS3's install base, and about their insecurity about keeping their big titles exclusive to Sony. Thanks to the PS2's install base last gen, this wasn't an issue for them. As I said, I agree that diversity wins generations, but the customers help to decide which console gets said diversity.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]The 360 looks to have an entertaining lineup. But so does every other console. I don't see anything there that is really going to push it forward in the eyes of the average consumer. In fact, a significant price drop for the PS3, putting it on level playing field with the 360, will actually end up hurting the 360 for 2008, in my opinion.kevbo77

You don't see anything to push it forward?

The list of exclusives above, XBL evolving even further, possibly 2 price drops, X360 being the choice of Madden 2009 consumers and Gears of War 2 will not push the X360?

Ummm.... yeah, you read that right.

GoW 1 already came out, sold to the same audience as GoW 2 will sell to.

XBL isn't the selling point of the 360. Its games are. I have never once heard someone say, "I want to buy a 360 because of XBL." I have heard at least 20 people say, "I want to buy the 360 because of Halo 3."

The price drops are a big bonus. But really, I don't know if MS can afford them. If they happen, that's great. But I don't expect two to happen, and if one does, it's going to be a drop of the Premium (the only one that actually sells) to $300, so it's still going to be more than the Wii when it launched. A $300 console is still not going to sell phenomenally well, no matter how great its value (the PS3 is a great value at $600, mind you).

Madden sells to the same audience every year as well, and as was seen by the sales of '08, Madden lovers already own their 360s. It's not like Madden is going to push a half-million 360s in August.

So, yeah, you read that right.

GeOW currently has worldwide sales of about 4 million with potentially 5 million ltd. GeOW 2 will probably sell twice that because it has proven itself as an IP, and by the time it's released will have a much larger install base (See Halo CE vs. Halo 2 for reference). XBL is a selling point particularly for PC gamers. PC gamers who are interested in getting a console usually choose the 360 because the games are similar.

MS can afford price drops as evidenced by the most recent fiscal quarter. They had a price drop in the middle of it and still came out in the black. So all of your points are easily refutable. There is no buzz around the PS3 like there is around the Wii and the 360. The 360 has compelling software, and the Wii is a freak of nature. The PS3? Well, for my hard earned money, why not just buy a PS2 with its huge library and cheap price? The PS3 is, in a word, unnecessary.

Again, the 360 is not in its own division. You can't say that the profits for the quarter were due to the 360. And even if they were, the first sign of a turned profit does not mean a price drop can be afforded. The past "gaming division," as it was, lost billions for MS. The only reason MS can afford a price drop is not because of a profit turned by the new Entertainment and Devices division, but because they're MS, and they have more cash than virtually any company has net worth. They're filthy rich, and that's the only thing that could ever justify another price drop.

Do you know how many games have ever sold 10 million copies? A first grader can count as high as the number of games that have sold 10 million. Halo hasn't done it yet, and it most likely won't with Halo 3, either. Gears of War doesn't stand a chance of selling 10 million. That claim just shows the ignorance that you have of the industry. 4-5 million is a huge number already. the difference between that and 8-10 million is gigantic. It's a leap that games simply don't make. There is nothing to make anyone think that GeoW 2 has the potential to sell 10 million, especially in light of the fact that Halo has never sold 10 million, and the first GeoW, with no competition, and the benefit of holiday sales for its first two months, has not even sold 5 million.

GeOW currently has worldwide sales of about 4 million with potentially 5 million ltd. GeOW 2 will probably sell twice that because it has proven itself as an IP, and by the time it's released will have a much larger install base (See Halo CE vs. Halo 2 for reference). XBL is a selling point particularly for PC gamers. PC gamers who are interested in getting a console usually choose the 360 because the games are similar.

kevbo77

Wow, just wow. Completely false. XBL is not a selling point for PC gamers. PC gamers have superior (AND FREE) online service through their PCs. And they don't care about the 360 either. Why? You said it yourself, the games are similar. Why would a PC gamer want to get a 360 and play inferior versions of the same game? FPS games on consoles are for the most part crap, and RTS games are all but non-existent.

FAIL.

It's AA at Metacritic and Game Revolution also gave it a rating bellow AA...

But hey, keep waiting...one day your AAA will come.

Pimpshigity21

No Game Revolution didn't rate it below AA, they rated it B which is AA. Go to gamerankings as they have the same review but it is listed as 80/100 while metacritic rated it 75/100....Funny how metacritic would make such a mistake. It is AAA right now.

[QUOTE="krunkfu2"]why do people think killzone 2 will be any good? crappy games usually have crappy sequels and now killzone is imitating the newly used cover systemsakura_Ex

Just like people think Fable 2 will be better when the first one wasn't.

Oh yeah... I suggest you go play MGS and Killswitch because the cover system has been out for a while.

Fable 1 scored 8.6 so it was pretty close to a AAA score

while killzone 1 scored 6.9 not close to a AAA score

[QUOTE="sakura_Ex"]

[QUOTE="krunkfu2"]why do people think killzone 2 will be any good? crappy games usually have crappy sequels and now killzone is imitating the newly used cover systemjet052006

Just like people think Fable 2 will be better when the first one wasn't.

Oh yeah... I suggest you go play MGS and Killswitch because the cover system has been out for a while.

Fable 1 scored 8.6 so it was pretty close to a AAA score

while killzone 1 scored 6.9 not close to a AAA score

Killzone was a 73.2% so that is ok while Fable was a 85%....Fable 2 has more potential behind due to that, but it also has that simple 1 button fighting system...Both will most likely get a AA rating.

[QUOTE="jet052006"][QUOTE="sakura_Ex"]

[QUOTE="krunkfu2"]why do people think killzone 2 will be any good? crappy games usually have crappy sequels and now killzone is imitating the newly used cover systemDeathIsARight

Just like people think Fable 2 will be better when the first one wasn't.

Oh yeah... I suggest you go play MGS and Killswitch because the cover system has been out for a while.

Fable 1 scored 8.6 so it was pretty close to a AAA score

while killzone 1 scored 6.9 not close to a AAA score

Killzone was a 73.2% so that is ok while Fable was a 85%....Fable 2 has more potential behind due to that, but it also has that simple 1 button fighting system...Both will most likely get a AA rating.

Moves done with the X button depend on where the player is located and what he is near.

Fable brought new ideas to the table and Fable 2 is building upon that and adding even more new ideas.

What did Killzone do that made it stand out as a first person shooter? I honestly would like to know.

I think one button for melee attacks is pretty standard in RPGs no?

In Fable 2 if you're ontop of a building fighting and near the ledge, instead of attacking with the weapon, when you hit X you will throw the enemy off. Or if you're in a bar, it'll make you smash his head against a table or counter. That's what he ment by 1 button combat, it depends on where you are.

Also there will be a seperate button for ranged and magic attacks, since it seems some of you were confused.

I'll ask again for the hell of it, how did Killzone seperate itself among other first person shooters and what does Killzone 2 have to offer besides good graphics?

Because I'm getting tired of people comparing a very good original game such as Fable to a generic FPS like Killzone.

[QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

Sony better bring their A game....

Slurms_M

lol they just did

:lol:

I lol'd

My opinion is that PS3 will definitely get a boost next year. The titles have been listed several times here, so I wont list all them again. I will add that Socom actually is getting 2 games next year: Socom Confrontation (downloadable game by Slant Six) and the official Socom 4 by Zipper Interactive. These two alone are going to add thousands to PS3. Im a Socom fanatic and know for a fact "SoCrack addicts" are waiting for these. Some even have 360s and are looking to buy PS3 for Socom.

PS3 does have a very impressive lineup ready for next year. Also if you think Final Fantasy wont sell consoles, you need to have yourself checked out...soon. That is a HUGE title for PS3. Also the price will continue to drop as Blue Ray continues to drop. This is the most important part. There are millions of PS2 owners out there that are waiting for the PS3 to drop. They dont care about Halo, Gears of War, etc. They want to play the Ratchet and CLank, MGS, FF, Socom, God of War, Gran Tourismo, etc. favorites they have enjoyed for years.

Now that being said, 360 does have a pretty solid lead. I think PS3 will cut hard into it. If Gears of War 2 can come out and make significant improvements on the first, then 360 will gain some back. 360 somehow has to figure out a way to come out with blockbusters that arent in the Halo/Gears of War SCIFI category. They cant keep trying to buy PS 3rd party titles into multiplatform and expect to stay ahead in the long run.

The Wii will MURDER both 360 and PS3. Heck the Wii stands to be #1 by the end of this year. Thats with a year head start for 360. Anyone checked out the titles for Wii? Talk about not much. Yet what it does have appeals to a wider audience than even PS3 will.

2008 will see PS3 close the gap on 360 and see Wii extend the gap as it stays in First probably for good.

[QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

Sony better bring their A game....

Slurms_M

lol they just did

GeOW 2 in 2008? Dont count on it, MSs relationship with Epic is really strained. I really feel bad for Epic especially considering UC2, which was an incredible game that flopped badly in sales but at the same time they need to take their head out of their backsides

As for games, MS has it spot on, its no PS3 line up offcourse, but itll keep me more than happy with my 360, in fact its almost on par. However, as we saw in 2007, 360 sales were HORRIFIC, its not a joke but the console flopped left right and centre. In other words, good games will NOT HELP.