If the Wii was an HD console....

would it have been more widely accepted by hardcore gamers. Because as of right not it has the games, so why do the majority of hardcore gamers still think its a joke.

elitism I would say.

people pretend to have some sort of standard. though, anyone can decide whether or not they like the Wii's games in general.

would it have been more widely accepted by hardcore gamers. Because as of right not it has the games, so why do the majority of hardcore gamers still think its a joke.

i5750at4Ghz

It's because its system wars. They think Wii they automatically assume all it has is Petz Horsez -- and the common misconception that Mario/Zelda/Metroid are rehashed over and over, while many could consider the same thing about their favourite franchises, though its obviously not true.Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]It's because its system wars. They think Wii they automatically assume all it has is Petz Horsez -- and the common misconception that Mario/Zelda/Metroid are rehashed over and over, while many could consider the same thing about their favourite franchises, though its obviously not true.Jandurin

Wii has most successful new IP of the generation. It also has in its library revivals that, for all intensive purposes, act like new IPs. Excite Truck, Endless Ocean, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment.eveileb-ekam

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]Wii has most successful new IP of the generation. It also has in its library revivals that, for all intensive purposes, act like new IPs. Excite Truck, Endless Ocean, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment.Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]Wii has most successful new IP of the generation. It also has in its library revivals that, for all intensive purposes, act like new IPs. Excite Truck, Endless Ocean, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment.eveileb-ekam

the only thing hd may have brought is a few more multiplat games like gta, bioshock etc. but judging from the gamecubes 3rd party support, it still might have been similar to the position it's in now only with a higher price tag, less exclusive 3rd party games because of development cost, and less sales.

i think nintendo made i really good decision with the wii that's paid off, because it's working well. regardless of whether the 360 and ps3 gets more 3rd party games, the wii still gets great titles like boom blox, zak and wiki, de blob that can't be done on the ps3 or 360. not to mention nintendo games, and therefore make it worthwhile owning.

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] what's the "most sold" new IP? REVIVALS ARE NOT NEW. That's recycling. Hence the "RE"Jandurin

Ill let you in on a secret; its Wii Sports.eveileb-ekam

Some perspective:

N64 -> 3D

GC -> Graphics => Least successful

Wii -> Motion / IR

DS -> Touch screen

Story is irrelevant, gameplay matters, thus Mario / Metroid / Zelda are not rehashes. GC version of Mario at least, was a rehash, and is the worst game of the series.

SMG is the best thing that has happend in gaming history

Prime Trilogy control scheme is the definitive FPS one.

Zelda TP is sort of a rehash, again because it's a GC title,but Zelda Wii will fix that so np. WW succeeded because of the innovation in graphics, and the overall cartoony style made it fresh.

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]Ill let you in on a secret; its Wii Sports.Jandurin

SMG is the best thing that has happend in gaming history

kontejner44

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]Ill let you in on a secret; its Wii Sports.Mckenna1845

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

SMG is the best thing that has happend in gaming history

Jandurin

Firstly, your last point. Simply no. The lock-on sidestrafing mechanics > every FPS mechanic => definitive controls.

Story IS irrelevant. Go read books for that. People who play Zelda games for the story, well, lets just say I feel sorry for them.

It's the best game in terms of polish, not in terms of impact.

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]Ill let you in on a secret; its Wii Sports.Jandurin

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]Ill let you in on a secret; its Wii Sports.Jandurin

Seriously, Wii Sports is why it sells like home baked hot cakes fresh out of Miyamoto's oven. tomarlyn

Firstly, your last point. Simply no. The lock-on sidestrafing mechanics > every FPS mechanic => definitive controls.

Story IS irrelevant. Go read books for that. People who play Zelda games for the story, well, lets just say I feel sorry for them.

It's the best game in terms of polish, not in terms of impact.

Alright, the Wii __ series, as a franchise. Even if you want to ignore the fact that people bought the Wii purely because of Wii Sports, and want to disregard Wii Play too, that still leaves Wii Sports Resort on 13.58mil, Wii Fit on 22.56mil, Wii Fit Plus on 10.16mil with Wii Music trailing at 2.65mil. But sure, it isnt successful at all. eveileb-ekam

Firstly, your last point. Simply no. The lock-on sidestrafing mechanics > every FPS mechanic => definitive controls.

Story IS irrelevant. Go read books for that. People who play Zelda games for the story, well, lets just say I feel sorry for them.

It's the best game in terms of polish, not in terms of impact.

Alright, the Wii __ series, as a franchise. Even if you want to ignore the fact that people bought the Wii purely because of Wii Sports, and want to disregard Wii Play too, that still leaves Wii Sports Resort on 13.58mil, Wii Fit on 22.56mil, Wii Fit Plus on 10.16mil with Wii Music trailing at 2.65mil. But sure, it isnt successful at all. eveileb-ekam

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]1 oh because "locking-on" is oh so realistic yay :D 2 People don't play Zelda or Mario games for the story, you're right. People do play games like Planescape or Mass Effect (1, NOT 2 because 2 has trash story) etc. for story (and they're damn fun besides actually have motivation and background) 3 best game in terms of polish? WTF does that even mean?

Realism is another term I dislike. I hate realistic gameplay.

Anyway I'm not being dead serious about our discussion, because it's preference based. I just wanted to give you perspective as to why the Wii is MY personal favourite :P

Mirrors edge and The conduit are 2 games that are awesome in concept, but were poorly excecuted; they lack polish. SMG is the contrary of that.

Mirrors edge and The conduit are 2 games that are awesome in concept, but were poorly excecuted; they lack polish. SMG is the contrary of that.

kontejner44

Do you really need to ask for proof? Hardcore gamer in denial :D What is your point? eveileb-ekam

If it was similar to the 360 and PS3 in terms of graphics then it would have a lot more multiplats but then it might not have as many of the cool "niche" (as in, games people ignore) titles so I'm glad it's the way it is.bobbetybob

Ditto

I hope next gen Sony and Microsoft ditch their traditional controllers and start doing more mainstream games too. Good riddance self-proclaimed "hardcore gamer"! You became a joke, an ugly intergity-eating cancer and i will not miss your idiotic antics and superiority complexes... ...that is, until motion controllers become a standard and history repeats itself; future manbabies and pimple-faced brats will yet again use the anonimacy of the internets to channel their dilusions of grandeur over anything new thats not completely aimed at their anti-social and close-minded preferences.Thunderdrone

I hope Mirror's Edge 2 can be like Assassin's Creed 2 :) Jandurin

Yeah I liked the first game too. But I would prefer if they went towards a more Matrix-ish direction were you feel like being chased and not this straight forward platformer. A few stealth missions would be cool too, as those in between levels, like how the platforming part in UC2 is to the main game which is 3rd person shooter. But please get rid of the "you have all the time in the world" platform parts, that's just lazy. This game I'm describing could become one of my favourite games on the PS3, please make this game!!

why would you want more mainstream games? Jandurin

Is this a serious question? Why do i want more games that appeal to more people?

not more of the same (which is definitely what Nintendo is excelling at this gen, just using a different controller to sell you the same thing in a slightly different way)Jandurin

Switch "Nintendo" with "Microsoft" or "Sony", and "diferent controller" with "new chipsets and processors" and you described almost every single hyped-to-hell-and-back HD title out there.

And sometimes "slightly diferent way" doesnt even apply.

Bring on Move and Natal.

Bad games in HD are still bad yo.

Is this a serious question? Why do i want more games that appeal to more people?

Thunderdrone

would it have been more widely accepted by hardcore gamers. Because as of right not it has the games, so why do the majority of hardcore gamers still think its a joke.

i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]why would you want more mainstream games? Thunderdrone

Is this a serious question? Why do i want more games that appeal to more people?

I fully agree with this statement. It's not about me or you. What pleases the majority = for the best. Gamers are against Nintendo because they feel like someone is invading their space. They are afraid that their games as they know and love them will be lost forever.

Take one example: FPS.

We've gone through Goldeneye / Perfect dark era to Halo / CoD. The biggest difference is in the multiplayer department, it's no longer split screen but online. The last console FPS game I loved to death was Timesplitters 2 and I was extremly excited when they announced that the 4th is coming to the Wii. I'm more into the older types, but as long as people are happy with Halo I'm totally fine with the situation. The next step is to kill off dual analogue controls and move on, this is what todays gamers are afraid of.

wouldn't you just want games that appeal to YOU? why concern yourself with others?Jandurin

Because "others" are alot more than "me". More content that appeals to these "other" folks creates awareness of this hobby. A hobby many here supposedly enjoy.

For example, nowadays i get home and see my older sister completely addicted to Mario Kart, Professor Layton, Brain Training and Bust'a'Move on her precious DS when 3 years ago she wouldnt even bother with videogames in general.

You know what that is? Thats progress, we are finally getting somewhere and these individuals who vocaly fight against this growing awareness of their beloved hobby are nothing but dead weight. Stupidly fighting against something that will do nothing but help grow the industry that provides them with this kind of entertainment.

The funny part is that creating more Wii Sports and Wii Fits will have very little impact on your RPG's, God of Wars and Halos. These will still sell because there are still people interested in these products.

In fact, the Gears of Halo market has no right to complain, they have their brown shootahs and blood'n'boobs slashers delivered by the buckets.

Meanwhile, the NSMB and Professor Layton market are 1000X bigger and what do we see? People angry that these companies want to offer these poeple more variety.

To those i say; GROW UP!

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] wouldn't you just want games that appeal to YOU? why concern yourself with others?Thunderdrone

Because "others" are alot more than "me". More content that appeals to these "other" folks creates awareness of this hobby. A hobby many here supposedly enjoy.

For example, nowadays i get home and see my older sister completely addicted to Mario Kart, Professor Layton, Brain Training and Bust'a'Move on her precious DS when 3 years ago she wouldnt even bother with videogames in general.

You know what that is? Thats progress, we are finally getting somewhere and these individuals who vocaly fight against this growing awareness of their beloved hobby are nothing but dead weight. Stupidly fighting against something that will do nothing but help grow the industry that provides them with this kind of entertainment.

The funny part is that creating more Wii Sports and Wii Fits will have very little impact on your RPG's, God of Wars and Halos. These will still sell because there are still people interested in these products.

In fact, the Gears of Halo market has no right to complain, they have their brown shootahs and blood'n'boobs slashers deliveredby the buckets.

Meanwhile, the NSMB and Professor Layton market are 1000X bigger and what do we see? People angry that these companies want to offer these poeple more variety.

To those i say; GROW UP!

It would still have the same lame controller channelling the games into one direction.

It wouldn't necessarily get the multiplats for the same reason Gamecube didn't.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]It's because its system wars. They think Wii they automatically assume all it has is Petz Horsez -- and the common misconception that Mario/Zelda/Metroid are rehashed over and over, while many could consider the same thing about their favourite franchises, though its obviously not true.Jandurin

Hm?

It has its fair share of new IPs as well. Off the top of my head:

• MadWorld
• No More Heroes
• Little King's Story
• Red Steel 2
• Endless Ocean
• The Sky Crawlers
• Zack and Wiki
• Boom Blox/Boom Blox Bash Party
• De Blob

I mean all those games are 'good' games -- none of them are 'AAA' -- if thats what you want. I mean I don't like some of those like MadWorld, and I know you don't lol but I liked No More Heroes. I mean the Wii definitely gets way too much hate here, when it actually has a good library of titles - Its just a 'different' kind of library then the PS3/360 libraries.

All I care about is having fun gaming. Jandurin

If you want to be a crusader for vidya game acceptance, that's your deal, but that's a pretty boring game imo.Jandurin