[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] 3 games aren't a complete library though. There's very little else of the quality of Nintendo's 1st party titles. Whereas 360 just this year got Mass Effect 2, Bioshock 2, Tropico 3, BattleField BC2, Bayonneta, Super Street Fighter, etc.Respawn-d

nintendo 1st party is beast and to name 360 mulitplats along with their first party is kind of weak sauce you know but i do like those games

oh ok idk if i should continue postin to you since you said SMG is like SMS thats a major credibility lost. but i like all the exclusives from each company they are all realtively good i think you should actually play the games first before you judge

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

he didnt, but notice how everyone else got it but you

'capability to be implemented into the GPU'? yeah, you dont know what youre talking about

i dont think you realize that the wii needs more than just an upgraded GPU to handle higher resolutions... it needs all new hardware

ogvampire

anybody vouch for this?

let's just say you're right (because you're an expert I guess?) but my main point is; Wii wouldnt necissarily be more powerful if it could display higher resolutions. Xbox could do HD, but it isn't as powerful as Xbox 360 is it?

im pretty sure the xbox is more powerful than the wii

according to sheep, you are wrong.

also, PCs that are WAY less powerful than Wii could do HD.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

he didnt, but notice how everyone else got it but you

Phaze-Two

ah, but I could make the argument that everyone else just assumed that's wheat it meant until the TC cleared it up (did he? I really don't know)

and if he didn't, how could you "get" something that was never said?

i dont believe the TC cleared it up... but if everybody else did 1 thing, and you did the opposite... its more likely that you are the one that is mistaken

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

anybody vouch for this?

let's just say you're right (because you're an expert I guess?) but my main point is; Wii wouldnt necissarily be more powerful if it could display higher resolutions. Xbox could do HD, but it isn't as powerful as Xbox 360 is it?

Phaze-Two

im pretty sure the xbox is more powerful than the wii

according to sheep, you are wrong.

ok.... and according to sheep the Wii library doesnt 'suck'

so what argument are you gonna stick with?

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

he didnt, but notice how everyone else got it but you

ogvampire

ah, but I could make the argument that everyone else just assumed that's wheat it meant until the TC cleared it up (did he? I really don't know)

and if he didn't, how could you "get" something that was never said?

i dont believe the TC cleared it up... but if everybody else did 1 thing, and you did the opposite... its more likely that you are the one that is mistaken

I could be. But it doesn't matter, what matters is that that isn't what he said and you assumed it. that's a fact. I'm critisizing the OP more than anything really.

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

im pretty sure the xbox is more powerful than the wii

ogvampire

according to sheep, you are wrong.

ok.... and according to sheep the Wii library doesnt 'suck'

so what argument are you gonna stick with?

I'm going to stick with my original argument that saying something sucks is an opinion statement by nature. That is a fact.

also, if you want to use my statement against me (I wasn't claiming that Xbox being less powerful than Wii is a fact because sheep said so btw) you have to use it against yourself too by accepting that Xbox is less powerful than Wii.

that was easy.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

anybody vouch for this?

let's just say you're right (because you're an expert I guess?) but my main point is; Wii wouldnt necissarily be more powerful if it could display higher resolutions. Xbox could do HD, but it isn't as powerful as Xbox 360 is it?

Phaze-Two

im pretty sure the xbox is more powerful than the wii

according to sheep, you are wrong.

also, PCs that are WAY less powerful than Wii could do HD.

what? you do realize that the wii only has 88megs of RAM, right?

so what WAY less powerful pc can possibly handle HD?

[QUOTE="chrion133"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] There is a difference between a game that really sucks (as in getting 4s and 3s) and doesn't appeal to your tastes. For example, GTA4 is supposedly a good game, it just didn't interest me. Does that mean that the game is bad? No The Wii has many games to satisfy the core gamers, its just that no one is bothered to research. Or they'll bring the same old, "I don't like it" excuseLastRambo341

Like call of duty for example, buwahahahaha

It was an example of your average Wii game aimed at the "core" gamer, a stripped down version of a game that the Wii is too weak to handle, complete with horrid controls.

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

im pretty sure the xbox is more powerful than the wii

ogvampire

according to sheep, you are wrong.

also, PCs that are WAY less powerful than Wii could do HD.

what? you do realize that the wii only has 88megs of RAM, right?

so what WAY less powerful pc can possibly handle HD?

wow.

And you said I didnt know how things work????

:lol:

her'es one you cannot refute: PS2 could do HD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

ouch.

and btw the first HD monitors were in existnce in the early 1990s...

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

according to sheep, you are wrong.

also, PCs that are WAY less powerful than Wii could do HD.

Phaze-Two

what? you do realize that the wii only has 88megs of RAM, right?

so what WAY less powerful pc can possibly handle HD?

wow.

And you said I didnt know how things work????

:lol:

her'es one you cannot refute: PS2 could do HD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

ouch.

fair enough, doesnt change the fact that, like i said, the Wii needs all new hardware:

Wii Specs

System specs Central Processing Unit (CPU) IBM Broadway 729MHz Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) ATI Hollywood 243MHz

Supported ResolutionUp to 480p

System Memory 88MB Internet Connectivity WiFi 802.11 b/g

also, PC's take ALOT more resources to play games than consoles do... a pc with 88megs of RAM cannot possible run games in high resolutions

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

what? you do realize that the wii only has 88megs of RAM, right?

so what WAY less powerful pc can possibly handle HD?

ogvampire

wow.

And you said I didnt know how things work????

:lol:

her'es one you cannot refute: PS2 could do HD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

ouch.

fair enough, doesnt change the fact that, like i said, the Wii needs all new hardware:

Wii Specs

System specs Central Processing Unit (CPU) IBM Broadway 729MHz Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) ATI Hollywood 243MHz

Supported ResolutionUp to 480p

System Memory 88MB Internet Connectivity WiFi 802.11 b/g

and I'm questioning how you know that.

especially since you have shown to not know what you are talking about at all. :lol:

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]why would you want more mainstream games? kontejner44

Is this a serious question? Why do i want more games that appeal to more people?

I fully agree with this statement. It's not about me or you. What pleases the majority = for the best. Gamers are against Nintendo because they feel like someone is invading their space. They are afraid that their games as they know and love them will be lost forever.

Take one example: FPS.

We've gone through Goldeneye / Perfect dark era to Halo / CoD. The biggest difference is in the multiplayer department, it's no longer split screen but online. The last console FPS game I loved to death was Timesplitters 2 and I was extremly excited when they announced that the 4th is coming to the Wii. I'm more into the older types, but as long as people are happy with Halo I'm totally fine with the situation. The next step is to kill off dual analogue controls and move on, this is what todays gamers are afraid of.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

wow.

And you said I didnt know how things work????

:lol:

her'es one you cannot refute: PS2 could do HD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

ouch.

Phaze-Two

fair enough, doesnt change the fact that, like i said, the Wii needs all new hardware:

Wii Specs

System specs Central Processing Unit (CPU) IBM Broadway 729MHz Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) ATI Hollywood 243MHz

Supported ResolutionUp to 480p

System Memory 88MB Internet Connectivity WiFi 802.11 b/g

and I'm questioning how you know that.

especially since you have shown to not know what you are talking about at all. :lol:

how do i know that? i just made it up... i mean, its not like anybody can just google 'wii specs'...

also, did a little research: GT4 1080i output is NOT native... its upconverted. in other words, its just stretching a lower resolution

its a trick done just for NTSC versions... the ps2 doesnt have the hardware to handle HD

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

from what i understand, the TC is asking what would happen if the Wii was the same as ps3/360 hardware-wise... not what if the wii had the same power yet was able to display hd resolutions

also, regarding the bolded... i dont think you know how things work. the wii already has a component cable hookup but it cannot surpass 480p (sub HD)

ogvampire

he didn't say that in the OP though did he?

also, read the second part of the sentence that you bolded.

he didnt, but notice how everyone else got it but you

'capability to be implemented into the GPU'? yeah, you dont know what youre talking about

i dont think you realize that the wii needs more than just an upgraded GPU to handle higher resolutions... it needs all new hardware

The CPU has to generate the dot products for the GPU to consume. This forum is not the best for actual "what if" scenario or fair use(1) discussions since we are going to refer to a certain console *simulator*.Discussion on a certain "e" word is not permitted on this forum.

1. Fair use is a doctrine in United States copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders, such as for commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching or scholarship.

You can test a PC with Intel Core Solo (2) underclocked to 800Mhz and a full speed GPU e.g. select your GpGPU.

2. Wii's PowerPC CPU is medium length pipeline depth/out-of-order G3 type and has 64bit SIMD. Closest X86 CPU is Intel's Core Solo (64bit wide SIMD/SSE hardware) or AMD K7 Athlon with 3DNow (64bit wide SIMD hardware).GC/Wii's CPU has instruction extensionsfor dot product processing. For X86, you going to need an Intel CPU with SSE4.1 (45nm generationIntel Core 2). Intel SSE3 (e.g. HADDPS) and AMD's 3DNow has some instructions for dot product processing (e.g. PFACC).

I have an old laptop(Mitec 8355)with AMD K8 Athlon 1.8Ghz (with 800Mhz underclock) and ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (with 128bit wide 64MB GDDR1 VRAM). It can play certain PC games at 720p.

Also, I underclock my current laptop with RMClock tool while keeping ATI Radeon HD 4650 GPU at full speed. I still run Trine at HD resolutions.

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]Wii has most successful new IP of the generation. It also has in its library revivals that, for all intensive purposes, act like new IPs. Excite Truck, Endless Ocean, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment.Jandurin

If it was and had some kind of achievement system i would actually use it. Non HD, horrible online, no Achievement/Trophy system=Epic faildjsifer01

the first bold wasnt needed when the wii launched henced why they are winning, and the second bolded really isnt needed at all

wow.

And you said I didnt know how things work????

:lol:

her'es one you cannot refute: PS2 could do HD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

ouch.

Phaze-Two

LOL

Its not true 1080i.

TRUE 1080i frame is 1920 x 1080 pixels, the PS2 cant render that. Not even close

It cant process 720p either, thats why they went with 1080 interlaced. And even then they had to cheat by tripling the horizontal resolution enough to be able to bloat about the "amazing" 1080i output. They just stretch the 640x540 frame and force the same pixels to appear three times.

Its like stretching a sponge, taking a picture, and filling the now larger holes with the surrounding sponge texture.

Its cheap upscaling and any last gen console could pull that off.

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

wow.

And you said I didnt know how things work????

:lol:

her'es one you cannot refute: PS2 could do HD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

ouch.

Thunderdrone

LOL

Its not true 1080i.

TRUE 1080i frame is 1920 x 1080 pixels, the PS2 cant render that. Not even close

It cant process 720p either, thats why they went with 1080 interlaced. And even then they had to cheat by tripling the horizontal resolution enough to be able to bloat about the "amazing" 1080i output. They just stretch the 640x540 frame and force the same pixels to appear three times.

Its like stretching a sponge, taking a picture, and filling the now larger holes with the surrounding sponge texture.

Its cheap upscaling and any last gen console could pull that off.

Does the end result look better than 480p?

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="h575309"] If it had the HD multiplats it would have a better library, or have a less sucky library.locopatho

Many Wii owners also don't buy or research games for it . . .

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

wow.

And you said I didnt know how things work????

:lol:

her'es one you cannot refute: PS2 could do HD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

ouch.

topgunmv

LOL

Its not true 1080i.

TRUE 1080i frame is 1920 x 1080 pixels, the PS2 cant render that. Not even close

It cant process 720p either, thats why they went with 1080 interlaced. And even then they had to cheat by tripling the horizontal resolution enough to be able to bloat about the "amazing" 1080i output. They just stretch the 640x540 frame and force the same pixels to appear three times.

Its like stretching a sponge, taking a picture, and filling the now larger holes with the surrounding sponge texture.

Its cheap upscaling and any last gen console could pull that off.

Does the end result look better than 480p?

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] I didnt get the memo. Is the high level of suckiness of the Wii's library an unquestionable truth already? I see alot of people here building their "arguments" on very subjective ideas like, i dunno, the wii's library sucking?ActicEdge

Many Wii owners also don't buy or research games for it . . .

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="chrion133"]

Like call of duty for example, buwahahahaha

It was an example of your average Wii game aimed at the "core" gamer, a stripped down version of a game that the Wii is too weak to handle, complete with horrid controls.

Well even most Wii owners agree it doesn't have a great library...locopatho

Many Wii owners also don't buy or research games for it . . .

[QUOTE="chrion133"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] I beg your pardon?LastRambo341

It was an example of your average Wii game aimed at the "core" gamer, a stripped down version of a game that the Wii is too weak to handle, complete with horrid controls.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Many Wii owners also don't buy or research games for it . . .

LastRambo341

Yeah agreed. My taste for high quality games is what limits me in terms of Wii gaming.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="chrion133"]

It was an example of your average Wii game aimed at the "core" gamer, a stripped down version of a game that the Wii is too weak to handle, complete with horrid controls.

locopatho

* I think split-screen isn't needed for an online shooter, honestly. People play to level up, but I know it does not apply to you, sadly.

* Yes, its a shame. But nevertheless......

* Better to avoid children's slurs. And Nintendo would interfere to make it only available for friend's matches, which is a rare case. Because in all versions, everyone plays without their friends in order to level up.

* Whats the point? People press X (or square in the ps3 version) quickly in order not to waste time. I do that too.

* Let me rephrase, I (moi) think that the controls are perfect.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="locopatho"] True, but even ones that do can be quite disappointed.locopatho

Yeah agreed. My taste for high quality games is what limits me in terms of Wii gaming.

Nonsense, my friend. Just because one website AKA System Wars' loved Metacritic/GS gives it AAA , that does not mean that I or many others find it high quality.

Yeah agreed. My taste for high quality games is what limits me in terms of Wii gaming.

locopatho

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]It sucks because it never gets multiplats and has a pretty crappy library. /threadforza420

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] * You're calling it "average" yet it got great reviews. * Yet it got all the modes and maps with a good amount of players. And the controls are PERFECT ;)LastRambo341

* I think split-screen isn't needed for an online shooter, honestly. People play to level up, but I know it does not apply to you, sadly.

* Yes, its a shame. But nevertheless......

* Better to avoid children's slurs. And Nintendo would interfere to make it only available for friend's matches, which is a rare case. Because in all versions, everyone plays without their friends in order to level up.

* Whats the point? People press X (or square in the ps3 version) quickly in order not to waste time. I do that too.

* Let me rephrase, I (moi) think that the controls are perfect.

* I detest when games leave out splitscreen in favour of online. 3 drunk friends >>>>>> random strangers. Best to have both though, like Halo and COD for 360.

* Mkay.

* Voice chat is needed for some game modes. If you just running around in a deathmatch it's ok, but for any of the objective based modes you kinda need it. Else you'll get destoyed by the other guys who actually have some sort of plan/teamwork. And angry children are easily muted. (Sounds like a proverb :P)

* Killcam is the only way to get annoying snipers and campers. I've used it tons, would be pretty lost without it.

* Mkay.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

Split screen ripped out :( Player counts reduced :( Voice chat gone :( Kill cam gone too!? :( And GS review would suggest the controls aren't perfect...locopatho

* I think split-screen isn't needed for an online shooter, honestly. People play to level up, but I know it does not apply to you, sadly.

* Yes, its a shame. But nevertheless......

* Better to avoid children's slurs. And Nintendo would interfere to make it only available for friend's matches, which is a rare case. Because in all versions, everyone plays without their friends in order to level up.

* Whats the point? People press X (or square in the ps3 version) quickly in order not to waste time. I do that too.

* Let me rephrase, I (moi) think that the controls are perfect.

* I detest when games leave out splitscreen in favour of online. 3 drunk friends >>>>>> random strangers. Best to have both though, like Halo and COD for 360.

* Mkay.

* Voice chat is needed for some game modes. If you just running around in a deathmatch it's ok, but for any of the objective based modes you kinda need it. Else you'll get destoyed by the other guys who actually have some sort of plan/teamwork. And angry children are easily muted. (Sounds like a proverb :P)

* Killcam is the only way to get annoying snipers and campers. I've used it tons, would be pretty lost without it.

* Mkay.

I don't think it's the weakest system because of visuals. My issue is that the games do not satisfy me.

No More Heroes to me is crap
A Boy and his Blob is boring
Muramasa is entirely saved by it's art design, the rest of the game is repetitive and bland
Light gun games suck. This is jut a genre that doesn't entertain me
Punchout Wii is boring and halfassed.
New Super Mario Bros. Wii falls under good game that just disappoints in a completely different way

On the flip side it has games I do like. SUper Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Brawl is fun, TvCapcom is fun, De Blob is fun, Fire Emblem while entirely stuck in the past is fun, and well that's really it for me. It's no beef with the game, I just don't like enough of the games on it. OH and it's coolest game Silent Hill Shattered Memories is just too short, but that ending is TRIPPY :)

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Thats their problem. They have nothing to blame but their tastes.LastRambo341

Yeah agreed. My taste for high quality games is what limits me in terms of Wii gaming.

Nonsense, my friend. Just because one website AKA System Wars' loved Metacritic/GS gives it AAA , that does not mean that I or many others find it high quality.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

Yeah agreed. My taste for high quality games is what limits me in terms of Wii gaming.

Nonsense, my friend. Just because one website AKA System Wars' loved Metacritic/GS gives it AAA , that does not mean that I or many others find it high quality.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

Nonsense, my friend. Just because one website AKA System Wars' loved Metacritic/GS gives it AAA , that does not mean that I or many others find it high quality.

LastRambo341

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="locopatho"] I know. Talking from what I've played. Deadly Creatures or Madworld would be good examples. Short games, repeative monotone enviroments, button basher gameplay, bleh. They both got 7s here. Whereas a 7 on game on 360 is Overlord or Lost Odyssey. Massive games with colouful graphics, and in depth gameplay. I don't hate the Wii I just find it's games to be on a different level to 360s, for the most part. locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Your post will make sense if the Wii is actually destined to so-called "compete" with the 360 >.> Honestly, I don't think it is. Its the Ps3 that is doing it.LastRambo341

To be perfectly fair, you did once say that it's not that the Wii library sucks or is of lower quality. It's just that you prefer different kinds of games. For what it's worth, I did not care for Madworld and Deadly Creatures, either, but I like what the Wii has had to offer me. I have more Wii games than PS3 games, and it's not because PS3 games are lower in quality.roxlimn

[QUOTE="roxlimn"]To be perfectly fair, you did once say that it's not that the Wii library sucks or is of lower quality. It's just that you prefer different kinds of games. For what it's worth, I did not care for Madworld and Deadly Creatures, either, but I like what the Wii has had to offer me. I have more Wii games than PS3 games, and it's not because PS3 games are lower in quality.locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="roxlimn"]To be perfectly fair, you did once say that it's not that the Wii library sucks or is of lower quality. It's just that you prefer different kinds of games. For what it's worth, I did not care for Madworld and Deadly Creatures, either, but I like what the Wii has had to offer me. I have more Wii games than PS3 games, and it's not because PS3 games are lower in quality.roxlimn

Actually MW Reflex I don't have much problem with, I think it's kinda silly for a years old stripped down port to be hyped but apart from that it's grand!