if UT3 can reach Gears graphics with...

I guess they're just not very good developers.Overthrow

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is. 

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.MCGSMB

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

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By the way, Epic > Bungie.

All because of the sheer epic proportions of the Single player campain. It's rumoured to be legendary in scale.braydee1234

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[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.BrownWalrus

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

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By the way, Epic > Bungie.

I thoroughly enjoyed Gears of War. It's my favourite 360 title. But in no way can you say Epic is a better Dev team. Epic have the unreal series and gears. Bungie has Halo and Marathon. Both are incredible FPS designers. 

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.MCGSMB

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

[QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="MCGSMB"]

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.braydee1234

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

Damage Control.

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By the way, Epic > Bungie.

I thoroughly enjoyed Gears of War. It's my favourite 360 title. But in no way can you say Epic is a better Dev team. Epic have the unreal series and gears. Bungie has Halo and Marathon. Both are incredible FPS designers.

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.MCGSMB

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

"Good" is a relative term. They might be good, but Epic is obviously better.

It's just art style really. The post-apocalyptic art style Gears has helps it look really good. Halo 3 looks too clean, in a way.

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.MCGSMB

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is. 

They're good but they're definitely not the best.... after all, they were the devs behind Halo 2's sucky single player. I would say Epic has a better team of devs anyway. Valve & Crytek are better devs than Bungie as well.

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.MCGSMB

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

Halo:CE is the greatest game ever imo but it was a total fluke. Many of the original team left and with Halo2 they completely dropped the ball on the single player and messed up all the unique subleties of gameplay that made the first so great. Bungie is just riding their success and haven't shown they can do anything but replicate a hollow shell of the greatness that was Halo:CE.

[QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="MCGSMB"]

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.Beowulf935

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

Damage Control.

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By the way, Epic > Bungie.

I thoroughly enjoyed Gears of War. It's my favourite 360 title. But in no way can you say Epic is a better Dev team. Epic have the unreal series and gears. Bungie has Halo and Marathon. Both are incredible FPS designers.

Subject to the oppinion of a level 14 Gamespot PC gamer. 

16 people,vehicles,ships and stuff at the same time...whats the point of bungie saying that halo3 wont reach gears of war visuals because of all the stuff that is happening at the same time.OldParr

Omg, are you telling me Unreal will only be 16 players? ... ok I can see that being ok for Capture the Flag / Deathmatch / Last Man Standing ect.... but onslaught and Assualt :( :( :(.

I wouldnt imagine playing this on a console, im sorry I jsut wouldnt.... 

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[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.Lazy_Boy88

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

Halo:CE is the greatest game ever imo but it was a total fluke. Many of the original team left and with Halo2 they completely dropped the ball on the single player and messed up all the unique subleties of gameplay that made the first so great. Bungie is just riding their success and haven't shown they can do anything but replicate a hollow shell of what they created at first.

Why does everyone say the team left? one guy went, who was obviously awful because he made Stubbs the zombie, not another killer app. 

16 people,vehicles,ships and stuff at the same time...whats the point of bungie saying that halo3 wont reach gears of war visuals because of all the stuff that is happening at the same time.OldParr

Well...Bungie does make their own engine.  I guess if they employed an engine as superior as UE3, it'd look even better too.  but this is their engine and it does what they want it to do.  no more, no less.  for good or for bad. 

so we can safely say that UT3 will be the next looking game untill crysisOldParr

Nope. 

[QUOTE="OldParr"]16 people,vehicles,ships and stuff at the same time...whats the point of bungie saying that halo3 wont reach gears of war visuals because of all the stuff that is happening at the same time.Meu2k7

Omg, are you telling me Unreal will only be 16 players? ... ok I can see that being ok for Capture the Flag / Deathmatch / Last Man Standing ect.... but onslaught and Assualt :( :( :(.

I wouldnt imagine playing this on a console, im sorry I jsut wouldnt....

Why?  the UT console games were all pretty good.  slower, but good.   

[QUOTE="OldParr"]so we can safely say that UT3 will be the next looking game untill crysisTeufelhuhn

Nope.

what's you pick, T? 

[QUOTE="Beowulf935"][QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="MCGSMB"]

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.braydee1234

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

Damage Control.

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By the way, Epic > Bungie.

I thoroughly enjoyed Gears of War. It's my favourite 360 title. But in no way can you say Epic is a better Dev team. Epic have the unreal series and gears. Bungie has Halo and Marathon. Both are incredible FPS designers.

Subject to the oppinion of a level 14 Gamespot PC gamer. 

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.MCGSMB

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

You do realize that the Bungie team is a young team that had not been in existance very long, which is what makes me laugh when people try to argue that they are experienced.  Sure they made a couple good games, but it does not mean that they are amazing developers that know how to tax hardware. 

[QUOTE="OldParr"]so we can safely say that UT3 will be the next looking game untill crysisTeufelhuhn

Nope. 

who then??? i just wanna know not making a big deal about it

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[QUOTE="OldParr"]so we can safely say that UT3 will be the next looking game untill crysisOldParr

Nope.

who then??? i just wanna know not making a big deal about it

I'm just kidding around, since we'll never agree which game looks best.  :P 

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[QUOTE="OldParr"]so we can safely say that UT3 will be the next looking game untill crysisTeufelhuhn

Nope.

who then??? i just wanna know not making a big deal about it

I'm just kidding around, since we'll never agree which game looks best.  :P 

oh ok...

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[QUOTE="OldParr"]16 people,vehicles,ships and stuff at the same time...whats the point of bungie saying that halo3 wont reach gears of war visuals because of all the stuff that is happening at the same time.Dreams-Visions

Omg, are you telling me Unreal will only be 16 players? ... ok I can see that being ok for Capture the Flag / Deathmatch / Last Man Standing ect.... but onslaught and Assualt :( :( :(.

I wouldnt imagine playing this on a console, im sorry I jsut wouldnt....

Why? the UT console games were all pretty good. slower, but good.

 Theyle be good, all I said was Onslaught/Assualt fusion, assuming the amps are a simlar size will be alot less chaotic (which is what UT is about!) and thats a very popular game mode.

Deathmatch ect would be fine ofcourse 

[QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="OldParr"]so we can safely say that UT3 will be the next looking game untill crysisTeufelhuhn

Nope.

who then??? i just wanna know not making a big deal about it

I'm just kidding around, since we'll never agree which game looks best. :P

KICK SAVE AND A BEAUT! :lol: 

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[QUOTE="OldParr"]16 people,vehicles,ships and stuff at the same time...whats the point of bungie saying that halo3 wont reach gears of war visuals because of all the stuff that is happening at the same time.Meu2k7

Omg, are you telling me Unreal will only be 16 players? ... ok I can see that being ok for Capture the Flag / Deathmatch / Last Man Standing ect.... but onslaught and Assualt :( :( :(.

I wouldnt imagine playing this on a console, im sorry I jsut wouldnt....

Why? the UT console games were all pretty good. slower, but good.

Theyle be good, all I said was Onslaught/Assualt fusion, assuming the amps are a simlar size will be alot less chaotic (which is what UT is about!) and thats a very popular game mode.

Deathmatch ect would be fine ofcourse

All I need in this lifetime is Instagib :) 

[QUOTE="Beowulf935"][QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="MCGSMB"]

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.braydee1234

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

Damage Control.

Damage Control.

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By the way, Epic > Bungie.

I thoroughly enjoyed Gears of War. It's my favourite 360 title. But in no way can you say Epic is a better Dev team. Epic have the unreal series and gears. Bungie has Halo and Marathon. Both are incredible FPS designers.

Subject to the oppinion of a level 14 Gamespot PC gamer.

[QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="Beowulf935"][QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="MCGSMB"]

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.Einhanderkiller

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

Damage Control.

Damage Control.

Damage Control.

Damage Control.

Damage Control.

Damage Control.

By the way, Epic > Bungie.

I thoroughly enjoyed Gears of War. It's my favourite 360 title. But in no way can you say Epic is a better Dev team. Epic have the unreal series and gears. Bungie has Halo and Marathon. Both are incredible FPS designers.

Subject to the oppinion of a level 14 Gamespot PC gamer.

Indeed, its like the WoW forums, "if your not level 60 or 70 your opinion means nothin" xD, very strange logic. 

I guess they're just not very good developers.Overthrow

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="OldParr"]so we can safely say that UT3 will be the next looking game untill crysisDreams-Visions

Nope.

who then??? i just wanna know not making a big deal about it

I'm just kidding around, since we'll never agree which game looks best. :P

KICK SAVE AND A BEAUT! :lol:

I'm glad you used Marty Brodeur as my image.  8) 

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="OldParr"]so we can safely say that UT3 will be the next looking game untill crysisTeufelhuhn

Nope.

who then??? i just wanna know not making a big deal about it

I'm just kidding around, since we'll never agree which game looks best. :P

KICK SAVE AND A BEAUT! :lol:

I'm glad you used Marty Brodeur as my image. 8)

:D I try. 

ureal t wont reach the level of gears becasue of all the things going on....an xbox site had a chance to see and speak to the devs about the ps3 version and the game as a whole....daveg1

is that like...flamebait or something? 

[QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="Beowulf935"][QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="MCGSMB"]

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.Einhanderkiller

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

Damage Control.

Damage Control.

Damage Control.

Damage Control.

Damage Control.

Damage Control.

By the way, Epic > Bungie.

I thoroughly enjoyed Gears of War. It's my favourite 360 title. But in no way can you say Epic is a better Dev team. Epic have the unreal series and gears. Bungie has Halo and Marathon. Both are incredible FPS designers.

Subject to the oppinion of a level 14 Gamespot PC gamer.

lets drag this down to system wars logic. No Unreal game has equalled Halo:CE on this website. 

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[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.BrownWalrus

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

Damage Control. 

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By the way, Epic > Bungie.

That is so true. Also Company of Heros rocks! So I like epic

[QUOTE="daveg1"]ureal t wont reach the level of gears becasue of all the things going on....an xbox site had a chance to see and speak to the devs about the ps3 version and the game as a whole....Dreams-Visions

is that like...flamebait or something? 

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.Makari

Valve and Crytek have both made their own game engines twice, although the engine for Half-Life was not built from ground up, it was a highly modified version of the Quake engine.

Valve: Half-Life Engine (based off of the Quake Engine), Source Engine.
Crytek: CryENGINE, CryENGINE 2.

I agree though, Epic is very good at making their engines as well.

Epic: Unreal Engine 1-3, and working on 4.

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.MCGSMB

If they aren't good developers then NO ONE is.

They just screwed this one up . Capcom screwed up DMC2 ...these guys screwed up Halo 3 which also happens to be one of the biggest games of all time. 

Well, it won't be surprising that UT3 will have Gears graphics and with many units and things going on at once because the systems can actually handle it and that the UT3 engine is really powerful. gnutuxgnutux

If the systems could handle that, Gears would have had dozens of characters on screen at once.  Also UT3 is designed much more for flexibility and rapid prototyping rather than power and fancy features.  I mean it can't even do FSAA. 

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.santeri_15

Valve and Crytek have both made their own game engines twice, although the engine for Half-Life was not built from ground up, it was a highly modified version of the Quake engine.

Valve: Half-Life Engine (based off of the Quake Engine), Source Engine.
Crytek: CryENGINE, CryENGINE 2.

I agree though, Epic is very good at making their engines as well.

Epic: Unreal Engine 1-3, and working on 4.

I am preparing to be wowed by it. Seriously my expectations are so high they would just blow Cryengine 2 outta the water and I wonder if current consoles could handle it.

[QUOTE="OldParr"]16 people,vehicles,ships and stuff at the same time...whats the point of bungie saying that halo3 wont reach gears of war visuals because of all the stuff that is happening at the same time.Meu2k7

Omg, are you telling me Unreal will only be 16 players? ... ok I can see that being ok for Capture the Flag / Deathmatch / Last Man Standing ect.... but onslaught and Assualt :( :( :(.

I wouldnt imagine playing this on a console, im sorry I jsut wouldnt....

I couldn't imagine playing it with a controller full stop.

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="Overthrow"]I guess they're just not very good developers.santeri_15

Valve and Crytek have both made their own game engines twice, although the engine for Half-Life was not built from ground up, it was a highly modified version of the Quake engine.

Valve: Half-Life Engine (based off of the Quake Engine), Source Engine.
Crytek: CryENGINE, CryENGINE 2.

I agree though, Epic is very good at making their engines as well.

Epic: Unreal Engine 1-3, and working on 4.

We don't know how it will actually run, and those people saying it'll max with a 7800GTX are the same ones that were saying DX10 is faster than DX9 - i.e. they're just listening to the marketing hype and not applying actual critical thinking to what's going on.Makari