If we gave everyone in Iraq...

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="wii4panta"][QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"] What's hilarious to me is that you say "we invaded for oil" yet you can offer absolutely no proof. :) We call that "a lie". On another note, why are gas prices going up instead of down? Let me guess. Because Bush is putting all of it in his private gas station? :roll:wii4panta

Lemme guess. USA invaded Iraq 'cause you could save poor Iraqi people and kill that bad guy Saddam Hussein?

Let us see your proof then. If you are brainwashed you can stay brainwashed and we will not care.Of course if you prove me wrong then I will accept my mistake happily, and thank you afterwards.

No no, it is not the same. If 10 people walk to a randomn person and say "You are a murderer" Then one should think that there's something going on here. That's what is really going on.Eveyone except America claims that the war was for oil.

America says otherwise.

Something stinks if you know what I mean....

[QUOTE="NickN4ck"]

Where were you people when Iraqi's were starving to death on the streets because of US and UN sanctions put in place on their country?. That's right you didn't care. You let Saddam buy food for oil but you knew damn well he was pocketing the money and the people got nothing. Doctors had no medicine to treat people because of your god damn sanctions. Your sanctions killed up to a million Iraqi's and done nothing to harm Saddam, your old best friend who used to shake hands with Dick Cheney not that long ago.

Americans are hypocrytes and will deal with terrorists like Bin Laden when it suits them like in the Afghan war against theRussians.Or they will hand over people who tried to kill Saddam to Saddam's forces to be killed when Saddam was their best friend before the first American invasion of Iraq.You people need to realise your government stinks and is corrupt, maybe if you didn't spend all your time playing games, and instead read somebooks you would realise this.

You may as well be standing up for gangsters when you talk about about how great your president is.

Veterngamer

It's nice to see someone in here has a functioning brain. Or maybe more accurately someone that isn't brainwashed by the American Government and its Propaganda Machine

The main reason for going into Iraq wasn't to liberate the people. Stop being brainwashed by falsified media please. Seriously, it's getting old.

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="p2rus"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"] I'm not saying that there are absolutely no political motivations for the US being in Iraq. All I'm saying is that surely liberals can come up with something better than "we're there for oil". There is no proof. Thus, it can't be stated as fact or even PRESENTED in a debate. Is it so hard for you to believe that we could be in Iraq for a good cause? Or have you been brainwashed into thinking that the USA is completely evil and can do no good?p2rus

our supposed "good cause" was to stop saddam from using WMD on us. but wait, there were no WMD's. then it was opperation liberation. suddenly saddam was a bad guy. first thing we do is secure the oil fields in iraq. we execture saddam (hes not a nice guy, sure) and then we set up a puppet. yeah good job america. ulterior motives ftw.

no i mean that the united states helped him during the first gulf war. they gave his $, weapons. its all there. and sorry, i meant that the united states never was interested in killing saddam hussein before 9/11. but afterwards, hey. look, hes a bad guy lets get him.

We gave both Iran and Iraq money and weapons during that war. Why? Because the Soviets were supplying both sides, and the U.S. hoped that Iran and Iraq would kill each other off.

Also, it's been official U.S. policy since 1998 (AKA before 9/11) to remove Saddam from power.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

BambooBanger

Yes, a simple solution to the invasion of a country, give all the civilians a copy of WoW.

Ridiculous.

Why not give a WOW copy to US soldiers instead, and prohibit them going to foreign countries, and kill INNOCENT women and chilrden ?

Wouldn't that be better ?

[QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

Redmoonxl2

No, the war would only end if US did not invade countries for their oil

And here come the conspiracy theorists...

I'm fully serious when I say anything Iraq related can stay in the Off Topic forum where it belongs.

"Buh teh "weapons of mass destruction"!!!!"

None.

"buh teh insurgents!!!!!"

Wonder why.

"buh teh Al Qaeda!!!!"

Weren't there before.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Many Americans believe they're on a divine mission from God in the Middle East. Noble foreign policy, bring on the end of the world etc etc armageddon.

Bush' crusade.

... and yet they talk of extremists. :?

SpaceMatt

"George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month."

Unbiased source FTW?

The best thing about America is we all have different opinions here. We argue amongst ourselves all the time, there are so many different ideals and ways of thinking here. We are far from perfect, yet I think at the end of the day we do much more good in this world than bad.

And to all you non-American's bashing the United States I would say look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Corruption is everywhere in this world. Your countries are far from perfect. I know its comforting and popular right now to bash the United States but if you are a student of history in any way you should know what good things our country has done for the world, and how many sons and daughters have been sacrificed not just for our freedoms, but for yours as well.

PopeReal

Didn't you here! The United States invented corruption!

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"][QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="p2rus"][QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"] What's hilarious to me is that you say "we invaded for oil" yet you can offer absolutely no proof. :) We call that "a lie". On another note, why are gas prices going up instead of down? Let me guess. Because Bush is putting all of it in his private gas station? :roll:Erkidu

Lemme guess. USA invaded Iraq 'cause you could save poor Iraqi people and kill that bad guy Saddam Hussein?

did you know that one of the first things that the US did when they went to iraq was to capture all the oil fields?

It's a long read.

hahahahahahahahahahahahah, please stop

"ACCESS TO THE OIL WILL BE STRICTLY DEPENDENT ON THE POLICIES OF THE NEW IRAQI GOVERNMENT"

hahahahahahahahahaha, yes, US does not want enything of course, ands i am sure that new goverment will have nothing to do with US fron now on

Where the hell do you think you live ? In paradise ?

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

saolin323

Yes, a simple solution to the invasion of a country, give all the civilians a copy of WoW.

Ridiculous.

Why not give a WOW copy to US soldiers instead, and prohibit them going to foreign countries, and kill INNOCENT women and chilrden ?

Wouldn't that be better ?

You'd think the US government had already issued it's entire populace with copies of WoW, because not many of them seem to care about what misadventures their government goes on around the planet.

hahahahahahahahahahahahah, please stop "ACCESS TO THE OIL WILL BE STRICTLY DEPENDENT ON THE POLICIES OF THE NEW IRAQI GOVERNMENT" hahahahahahahahahaha, yes, US does not want enything of course, ands i am sure that new goverment will have nothing to do with US fron now on. Where the hell do you think you live ? In paradise ?saolin323

[QUOTE="PopeReal"]

The best thing about America is we all have different opinions here. We argue amongst ourselves all the time, there are so many different ideals and ways of thinking here. We are far from perfect, yet I think at the end of the day we do much more good in this world than bad.

And to all you non-American's bashing the United States I would say look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Corruption is everywhere in this world. Your countries are far from perfect. I know its comforting and popular right now to bash the United States but if you are a student of history in any way you should know what good things our country has done for the world, and how many sons and daughters have been sacrificed not just for our freedoms, but for yours as well.

trix5817

Didn't you here! The United States invented corruption!

[QUOTE="SpaceMatt"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Many Americans believe they're on a divine mission from God in the Middle East. Noble foreign policy, bring on the end of the world etc etc armageddon.

Bush' crusade.

... and yet they talk of extremists. :?

Erkidu

"George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month."

Unbiased source FTW?

But I suppose a CIA official in Ameica mouthing off against Iraq is a credible source right. Where's your WMDs. :|

I probably wouldn't have used the article if it wasn't for Bush' "CRUSADE" (his own direct words) against terrorism, and his wars.

The guy is a religious to the core and espouses religious dialogue into his speech all the time.

No one can deny that many american christians believe in the divine mission from God in the Middle East, you only have to look at evangelicals and the words they use. Also religious neo-con influence on the White House.

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="dzaric"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

MadExponent

No, the war would only end if US did not invade countries for their oil

And here come the conspiracy theorists...

I'm fully serious when I say anything Iraq related can stay in the Off Topic forum where it belongs.

There is no conspiracy theories about it. We invaded for the oil, no if ands or buts about it. Anyone with with half a brain knows that. Anyways, no, if we gave a copy of World Of Warcraft to everyone in Iraq, the war wouldnt end. What would they play it on? And how would they pay for it? Huh? Huh?!

We invaded Iraq for two major reasons:

• Bad intel from several major intelligence agencies that encompass the CIA, British intelligence, intelligence gathered by the Clinton administration and Egyptian intelligence among others.
• 17 UN resolutions that were ignored by Sadaam with fear of what was outlined in that bad intel we've recieved from all those sources.

The reasons why we're still are in Iraq are:

• We need that area of the world to be on our side and to become another viable spring board for anything that may happen in the Middle East.
• Leaving a country that is clearly incapable of keeping stable on it's own will result in millions of deaths (ala Vietnam) and a lovely opportunity for any warlord/terrorist to take over (See Hamas and the Gaza Strip).

Anything else is simply Anti-Bush talking points people use to feel like their voicing the "truth". It's okay to desent from the war and stating we had no business going to war with Iraq since it was, in fact, an optional war but this "Blood for Oil" deal is just simply silly.

ROFL

Go keep watching CNN dude :lol:

Keep drinking the Koolaid. How interesting is it that the modern Democrat party actually spouts off some of the same rhetoric as does most of the terrorist groups out there do? The truth is that the modern Democrat party in the US are just conspiracy lunatics and they are JUST as bad as the Republicans when they fear monger for votes. Funny thing is that there is some REAL legitimacy to the Republican argument while we have to just trust what the Democrats say because they are "so smart" and we can't live our lives without being taken care of by socialist Democrats like Hilary Clinton. All that the Dems are running on these days is that they are not George Bush so that automatically makes them qualified to run the country. I'm sorry, but if the American people knew what they were getting into voting for liberal dems like Clinton they would never cast that vote. I don't think that even Clinton's supporters really understand what she has planned. They just get behind her cause they know she is a devout Bush hater. Afterall isn't it the cool hip "in" thing to do to hate on Bush? I mean that IS what the left wing blogs and left leaning media tells you to do isn't it?

If Hilary gets elected, I'm leaving this country.

[QUOTE="saolin323"]hahahahahahahahahahahahah, please stop "ACCESS TO THE OIL WILL BE STRICTLY DEPENDENT ON THE POLICIES OF THE NEW IRAQI GOVERNMENT" hahahahahahahahahaha, yes, US does not want enything of course, ands i am sure that new goverment will have nothing to do with US fron now on. Where the hell do you think you live ? In paradise ?Erkidu

I agree with you, and HERE COMES THE DIFFERENCE ..

the other countirs did not INVADE anyone, will just collect from what US did, that does not make them worst than US at all.

I never said other counties are saints, but US is hell itself

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="SpaceMatt"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Many Americans believe they're on a divine mission from God in the Middle East. Noble foreign policy, bring on the end of the world etc etc armageddon.

Bush' crusade.

... and yet they talk of extremists. :?

Hoobinator

"George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month."

Unbiased source FTW?

But I suppose a CIA official in Ameica mouthing off against Iraq is a credible source right. Where's your WMDs. :|

I probably wouldn't have used the article if it wasn't for Bush' "CRUSADE" (his own direct words) against terrorism, and his wars.

The guy is a religious to the core and espouses religious dialogue into his speech all the time.

No one can deny that many american christians believe in the divine mission from God in the Middle East, you only have to look at evangelicals and the words they use. Also religious neo-con influence on the White House.

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="saolin323"]hahahahahahahahahahahahah, please stop "ACCESS TO THE OIL WILL BE STRICTLY DEPENDENT ON THE POLICIES OF THE NEW IRAQI GOVERNMENT" hahahahahahahahahaha, yes, US does not want enything of course, ands i am sure that new goverment will have nothing to do with US fron now on. Where the hell do you think you live ? In paradise ?saolin323

I agree with you, and HERE COMES THE DIFFERENCE ..

the other countirs did not INVADE anyone, will just collect from what US did, that does not make them worst than US at all.

I never said other counties are saints, but US is hell itself

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/07/02/iraq_chem.html

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/05/25/sarin_shell040525.html

And read this, if you think the world is so right and America is wrong. Kickbacks from Saddam FTW!!

http://oilforfoodfacts.org/pdf/IIC_Final_Report_oct2005.pdf

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="PopeReal"]

The best thing about America is we all have different opinions here. We argue amongst ourselves all the time, there are so many different ideals and ways of thinking here. We are far from perfect, yet I think at the end of the day we do much more good in this world than bad.

And to all you non-American's bashing the United States I would say look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Corruption is everywhere in this world. Your countries are far from perfect. I know its comforting and popular right now to bash the United States but if you are a student of history in any way you should know what good things our country has done for the world, and how many sons and daughters have been sacrificed not just for our freedoms, but for yours as well.

Erkidu

Didn't you here! The United States invented corruption!

Again, they do not go about doing outright genocides and kill innocents all the time to secure their interests like US does, right ? Name us a country that has invaded around the world as much as US starting from vietnam

Ugh, this Left vs. Right thing that goes on in the US completely stagnates the political system.

[QUOTE="saolin323"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="saolin323"]hahahahahahahahahahahahah, please stop "ACCESS TO THE OIL WILL BE STRICTLY DEPENDENT ON THE POLICIES OF THE NEW IRAQI GOVERNMENT" hahahahahahahahahaha, yes, US does not want enything of course, ands i am sure that new goverment will have nothing to do with US fron now on. Where the hell do you think you live ? In paradise ?Erkidu

I agree with you, and HERE COMES THE DIFFERENCE ..

the other countirs did not INVADE anyone, will just collect from what US did, that does not make them worst than US at all.

I never said other counties are saints, but US is hell itself

Now you MUST be kidding, you mean any other country started the invasion, and US helped ?

hahahahahahahaha, you are above naive

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="PopeReal"]

The best thing about America is we all have different opinions here. We argue amongst ourselves all the time, there are so many different ideals and ways of thinking here. We are far from perfect, yet I think at the end of the day we do much more good in this world than bad.

And to all you non-American's bashing the United States I would say look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Corruption is everywhere in this world. Your countries are far from perfect. I know its comforting and popular right now to bash the United States but if you are a student of history in any way you should know what good things our country has done for the world, and how many sons and daughters have been sacrificed not just for our freedoms, but for yours as well.

saolin323

Didn't you here! The United States invented corruption!

Again, they do not go about doing outright genocides and kill innocents all the time to secure their interests like US does, right ? Name us a country that has invaded around the world as much as US starting from vietnam

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="PopeReal"]

The best thing about America is we all have different opinions here. We argue amongst ourselves all the time, there are so many different ideals and ways of thinking here. We are far from perfect, yet I think at the end of the day we do much more good in this world than bad.

And to all you non-American's bashing the United States I would say look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Corruption is everywhere in this world. Your countries are far from perfect. I know its comforting and popular right now to bash the United States but if you are a student of history in any way you should know what good things our country has done for the world, and how many sons and daughters have been sacrificed not just for our freedoms, but for yours as well.

saolin323

Didn't you here! The United States invented corruption!

Again, they do not go about doing outright genocides and kill innocents all the time to secure their interests like US does, right ? Name us a country that has invaded around the world as much as US starting from vietnam

Please, tell me you're joking. Because I refuse to believe this is a serious post.

Like I said a large part of america believes it's on a divine mission from God in the Middle East.Hoobinator

The Communist Party does not count as a source of legitimate information. Thank you

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="saolin323"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="saolin323"]hahahahahahahahahahahahah, please stop "ACCESS TO THE OIL WILL BE STRICTLY DEPENDENT ON THE POLICIES OF THE NEW IRAQI GOVERNMENT" hahahahahahahahahaha, yes, US does not want enything of course, ands i am sure that new goverment will have nothing to do with US fron now on. Where the hell do you think you live ? In paradise ?saolin323

I agree with you, and HERE COMES THE DIFFERENCE ..

the other countirs did not INVADE anyone, will just collect from what US did, that does not make them worst than US at all.

I never said other counties are saints, but US is hell itself

Now you MUST be kidding, you mean any other country started the invasion, and US helped ?

hahahahahahahaha, you are above naive

Haha. That's what I'm trying to say. Is every European/Asian/South American/African citizen really ignorant enough to think that every government on Earth isn't corrupt to some degree?Erkidu

Noone said that USA is the most corrupted country in the world.

The Iraqi war was a great business opportunity for every world power, besides USA.

Every company from this list benefited from the Iraqi war.

But DON'T tell other people that USA invaded Iraq because of the... good purposes. USA may be the world of its own, but fortunately enough, there are people who live outside the US of A and don't watch CNN.

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

saolin323

Yes, a simple solution to the invasion of a country, give all the civilians a copy of WoW.

Ridiculous.

Why not give a WOW copy to US soldiers instead, and prohibit them going to foreign countries, and kill INNOCENT women and chilrden ?

Wouldn't that be better ?

Wow, you really are delusional.....

I'm sure that every soldiers goal in Iraq is to kill innocent women and children.

Please, do yourself and this world a favor, OPEN YOUR EYES.