If Wii Games Want to Compete Graphically... (56k)

...all Wii games need to be stylized and not go for the whole "realistic" approach.

We all know that's what developers are pushing this gen. Realism is always one of the pushing points on the back of the box of a game or press releases. And the 360/PS3 hardware allows that for great looking games.

But what happens when developers take that mentality to the Wii? When the realism mentality is brought over, we get this:

Now these can also be filed under lazy development or porting for a quick buck, but that doesn't change the fact that gritty, realistic will ever look good on Wii, unless they have some sort of artistic direction like Zelda or Metroid.

Considering Wii's power as a GC/PS2 with waggle, developers should aim for stylized graphics and not this realistic turd crap.

Kingdom Hearts II and the upcoming Super Paper Mario are just some exmples of how Wii games can conitinue to look amazing if developers go this route. If you tell me KH looks like crap, you need to be slapped.

Visuals like these and the gameplay possibilities of the Wiimote, can make a nex-gen, cohesive experience possible on Wii.

All developers should follow suit.

Dear god I hope no one quotes that... Plus "realistic" graphics shouldn't be avoided in the wii, cause RE4 was a great looking game, and so was NG, and those games had style to them still. The style can be in the architecture, the geometry of the landscapes and so on. Albeit they won't be anywhere like the 360's and so un, abstract lands and many other little touches like that can be used on a "real" looking game and be just as "artistic." Please note that "style" is a loose term, and you should define your word much more. Who's to say RE 4, Gears of War, God of War, Tales of Symphonia, Kingdom Hearts, SPM and so on don't have style? They all do, and they all have very distince and different "styles." So tell me what "style" are you actually talking about? I see your comparison of KH II and SPM, but the Wii can do "stlyized" real graphics too. yoshi_64

My definiton of style is something that obviuosly has an artisitc design.

Tales of Symphonia is a great example too.

But RE4 and Gears have a gritty look in my eyes.

The Wii was never designed to compete graphically with the 360 and PS3.foxhound_fox

I'm aware of that. But gaphics are a main part in a game and something a consumer looks at.

Could you have picked crappier pics for the realistic looking games? :|Plug_One

What? they can't make games on it looking like these? why not?Pangster007

Do you think these will hold up well in the consumer's eyes when 360 and PS3 get amazing looking things later in their lifecycles?

They look great now, but games with more prominent art stay looking good.

Example: Windwaker still looks amazing 4 years later, but does something like Dynasty Warriors still look great?

[QUOTE="Plug_One"]Could you have picked crappier pics for the realistic looking games? :|Pangster007

My definiton of style is something that obviuosly has an artisitc design.

Tales of Symphonia is a great example too.

But RE4 and Gears have a gritty look in my eyes.

ZeldaMaster32

...but that doesn't change the fact that gritty, realistic will ever look good on Wii, unless they have some sort of artistic direction like Zelda or Metroid.

ZeldaMaster32

I'm quoting this part of my post just to show I'm not against realism with a stylized look, like people have shown.

I'm against pure realisism.

What? they can't make games on it looking like these? why not?Pangster007

Lol you guys dont undertsand. The Wii can generate more graphics power than the original xbox. Its a fact, look it up. 

Take Ninja Gaiden's graphics for instance. They are AMAZING!!! and THEY WERE ON THE ORIGINAL XBOX.

Sadly the pictures displayed in the first post are of poorly done games which drag Wii's name in the mud. Its not that Wii generates horrible graphics.... its just that the 3rd party devs are soo lazy. 

[QUOTE="ZeldaMaster32"]

My definiton of style is something that obviuosly has an artisitc design.

Tales of Symphonia is a great example too.

But RE4 and Gears have a gritty look in my eyes.

yoshi_64

...but that doesn't change the fact that gritty, realistic will ever look good on Wii, unless they have some sort of artistic direction like Zelda or Metroid.

ZeldaMaster32

I understand what you are saying, and I'm not against it, but when 360 and PS3 blows us away with the stuff you are talking about, will you feel the same about RE4 or Ninja Gaiden like you are now?

even though I agree with your thoughts on using artistic graphics I think that Wii is plenty capable of handling realistic graphics, ala RE4 and SC:CT for Xbox

[QUOTE="Pangster007"][QUOTE="Plug_One"]Could you have picked crappier pics for the realistic looking games? :|Plug_One

I'm aware of that. But gaphics are a main part in a game and something a consumer looks at.ZeldaMaster32

[QUOTE="Pangster007"][QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="Pangster007"] . why not?Tristam22

No I'm aware Wii is more powerful than PS2 and Xbox, but on the market, right now, is there a game that proves that?

[QUOTE="ZeldaMaster32"]I'm aware of that. But gaphics are a main part in a game and something a consumer looks at.foxhound_fox

Waggle doesn't necessarily mean more fun. I can play Gears with a traditional pad and have tons of fun, likewise I can play Warioware on Wii and have tons of fun.

Waggle doesn't make a game more fun, it's how it is implented.

I understand what you are saying, and I'm not against it, but when 360 and PS3 blows us away with the stuff you are talking about, will you feel the same about RE4 or Ninja Gaiden like you are now?

ZeldaMaster32

No, the problem is that developers are lazy.TrueReligion_

I acknowledged that in my initial post.

Trust me, there is no way that the Wii can compete with the 360 or PS3. It just doesnt have the power. It can't produce near the polygons that the 360 or PS3 can. It has no RAM for textures. And the CPU cant run the A.I. and physics programs that the 360 and PS3 can run.

In the long run the Wii's power is going to hurt the games directly. 

[QUOTE="ZeldaMaster32"]

I understand what you are saying, and I'm not against it, but when 360 and PS3 blows us away with the stuff you are talking about, will you feel the same about RE4 or Ninja Gaiden like you are now?

yoshi_64

So you are saying that devlopers should add more flair to there gameplay elements or what?

That part confuses me.

No I'm aware Wii is more powerful than PS2 and Xbox, but on the market, right now, is there a game that proves that?

 

ZeldaMaster32

1st. Your first post was about how the Wii should compete for the entire life-cycle.

2nd. No, there are no games right now proving that. But i'm confident that it's just a matter of time.

Trust me, there is no way that the Wii can compete with the 360 or PS3. It just doesnt have the power. It can't produce near the polygons that the 360 or PS3 can. It has no RAM for textures. And the CPU cant run the A.I. and physics programs that the 360 and PS3 can run.

In the long run the Wii's power is going to hurt the games directly. 

Wasdie

Exactly. That's why I'm saying ditch the pure realism, and compete with more artistic flair.

[QUOTE="ZeldaMaster32"]No I'm aware Wii is more powerful than PS2 and Xbox, but on the market, right now, is there a game that proves that?

 

Pangster007

1st. Your first post was about how the Wii should compete for the entire life-cycle.

2nd. No, there are no games right now proving that. But i'm confident that it's just a matter of time.

I was just showing the person I quoted that I knew my facts.:P

Trust me, there is no way that the Wii can compete with the 360 or PS3. It just doesnt have the power. It can't produce near the polygons that the 360 or PS3 can. It has no RAM for textures. And the CPU cant run the A.I. and physics programs that the 360 and PS3 can run.

In the long run the Wii's power is going to hurt the games directly.

Wasdie

Trust me, there is no way that the Wii can compete with the 360 or PS3. It just doesnt have the power. It can't produce near the polygons that the 360 or PS3 can. It has no RAM for textures. And the CPU cant run the A.I. and physics programs that the 360 and PS3 can run.

In the long run the Wii's power is going to hurt the games directly.

Wasdie

I agree with you somewhat. Artistic games like Okami, Psychonauts, Viewtiful Joes, and SPM show that artistic style can overcome graphical limitations.

The Wii is far more powerful than most fanboys realize though. It is capable of producing "realistic: graphics, I mean look at RE4 on the GC and NG on the Xbox. Those are last gen games and the Wii is supposed to be at least 3 times more powerful than the Xbox so the Wii should be able to pull those visuals off. The problem is that some devs *cough*ubisoft*cough* are too lazy to push the Wii's graphical capablities.