If you had the choice would you get a PS4 or a low end $600-$750 dollar PC?

Ps4 would smoke any pc that cost $800 to make.Heirren

Uh...with $600 - $750, one could build a far better PC than "Low End" :?

But I'd take the PC.

Uh...with $600 - $750, one could build a far better PC than "Low End" :?

But I'd take the PC.

The_Game21x

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Uh...with $600 - $750, one could build a far better PC than "Low End" :?

But I'd take the PC.

blackgamer1213

If I don't have anything else, I'll take the PC, of course.

[QUOTE="blackgamer1213"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Uh...with $600 - $750, one could build a far better PC than "Low End" :?

But I'd take the PC.

whiskeystrike

That.

Low end PCs are like those you buy from Best Buy for 300 - 400 with integrated graphics and low end CPUs.

[QUOTE="pelvist"]

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

PS4, not because of specs but because of Sony exclusives that are better than most PC games imo

Now that The Witcher and Diablo are multiplat, I dont see a reason why to chose a PC over the PS4

my opinion, dont butthurt on me please

lawlessx

Diablo III really isnt that good a game, its funny you console gamers want it all of a sudden now its been officially announced. Strange how PC games become good when they go multi plat but any other time its "Ill stick to my consoles because PC doesnt have any games that I am interested in".

i bet many console fanboys prasing it now have no clue what Diablo III even is.  I mean they hear about it and maybe saw a poster of it at gamestop but have no clue what kind of game it is.

I actually played Diablo 2 back in the day, I know what kind of game it is. I was interested in playing D3 on my PC but the constant online DRM was a huge turn off for me. I suppose D3 will not have DRM on consoles so thats why I'm interested in playing it

Considering the PS4 can only match a high end 2010 PC the low end 2013 PC will perform better if you know how to shop for parts.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"][QUOTE="blackgamer1213"] It's pretty low end compared to the 1000 PC's and 1500 dollar PC's. The_Game21x

That.

Low end PCs are like those you buy from Best Buy for 300 - 400 with integrated graphics and low end CPUs.

The Console...every time.

Think of Steam upgrading and not allowing you to play any of the games you already purchased.

egger7577

What would i get PC for ?

The games i want are all on consoles, 90% are exclusive to them

Fable, Alan Wake, Bravely Default, Zelda, Demons SOuls, Dark Souls, Elder Scrolls, Witcher 2-3, Deep Down, FF15 Agnes, FF13vs, Last Guardian, Ni no Kuni, Watchdogs, Star Wars, Mass Effect, Dragons Crown, Dust, Halo, Gears, God of War, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Halo, Gears, Uncharted, Diablo 3, heavey Rain, Last of Us etc etc etc

All console games, most are not on PC

PS4, it's both, a Playstation and powerful PC.

Speedzilla

*cough It's not a pc and if it were it would be a 600$ medium low pc..

600-750 PC is hardly "low end". And personally, PS4. I already have a decent enough PC since my GTX 460 1GB still allows me to play all the games I want to play on excellent settings. The PS4 seems a better investment to make this year. Ill probably upgrade some time in 2014.

[QUOTE="Speedzilla"]

PS4, it's both, a Playstation and powerful PC.

jimmyrussle117

*cough It's not a pc and if it were it would be a 600$ medium low pc..

WTF give you that idea? Holy **** comon guys its 8 gigs GDDR5 ram. Did all of you forget that fact and are simply comparing the PS4 1.84 TFlop GPU to PC GPUs without even counting the fact that the PS4 is a closed platform and has a massive bank of video memory available?

a $700 PC should easy keep up with ps3. SO PC more freedom, 99% games are cheaper, mods, of course more uses for a PC

Thats only if i had to choose one... 

600-750 PC is hardly "low end". And personally, PS4. I already have a decent enough PC since my GTX 460 1GB still allows me to play all the games I want to play on excellent settings. The PS4 seems a better investment to make this year. Ill probably upgrade some time in 2014.

[QUOTE="jimmyrussle117"]

[QUOTE="Speedzilla"]

PS4, it's both, a Playstation and powerful PC.

argetlam00

*cough It's not a pc and if it were it would be a 600$ medium low pc..

WTF give you that idea? Holy **** comon guys its 8 gigs GDDR5 ram. Did all of you forget that fact and are simply comparing the PS4 1.84 TFlop GPU to PC GPUs without even counting the fact that the PS4 is a closed platform and has a massive bank of video memory available?

RAM does not equal processing power.

The PS4 is similar in power to a 2010 high end PC but it does have a nice amount of RAM that will help with things like textures and less cell streaming.

a $700 PC should easy keep up with ps3. SO PC more freedom, 99% games are cheaper, mods, of course more uses for a PC

 

Thats only if i had to choose one... 

k2theswiss

By the time the PS4 comes out a 700USD PC will be better.

My guess is that the PS4 will be priced at around 450USD-500USD.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

600-750 PC is hardly "low end". And personally, PS4. I already have a decent enough PC since my GTX 460 1GB still allows me to play all the games I want to play on excellent settings. The PS4 seems a better investment to make this year. Ill probably upgrade some time in 2014.

[QUOTE="jimmyrussle117"]

*cough It's not a pc and if it were it would be a 600$ medium low pc..

RyviusARC

WTF give you that idea? Holy **** comon guys its 8 gigs GDDR5 ram. Did all of you forget that fact and are simply comparing the PS4 1.84 TFlop GPU to PC GPUs without even counting the fact that the PS4 is a closed platform and has a massive bank of video memory available?

RAM does not equal processing power.

The PS4 is similar in power to a 2010 high end PC but it does have a nice amount of RAM that will help with things like textures and less cell streaming.

This isn't simply RAM. Its unified GRAPHICS MEMORY. It can and will be used to create extra GPU processing power. The amount of polygons and texture quality the PS4 can produce with so much graphics memory could be downright incredible.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

WTF give you that idea? Holy **** comon guys its 8 gigs GDDR5 ram. Did all of you forget that fact and are simply comparing the PS4 1.84 TFlop GPU to PC GPUs without even counting the fact that the PS4 is a closed platform and has a massive bank of video memory available?

argetlam00

RAM does not equal processing power.

The PS4 is similar in power to a 2010 high end PC but it does have a nice amount of RAM that will help with things like textures and less cell streaming.

This isn't simply RAM. Its unified GRAPHICS MEMORY. It can and will be used to create extra GPU processing power.

Graphics memory does not equal processing power......

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Uh...with $600 - $750, one could build a far better PC than "Low End" :?

But I'd take the PC.

blackgamer1213

A $750 PC will run every game now at 1080p resolutions, and I imagine max settings.

When you go for the $1000-$1500 PCs that's for like, triple monitor setups, or 2560x1600 resolutions, and such like that which is enthusiast level.

Low end is what you'd call something you might buy at the store with integrated graphics.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

 

 

 

RAM does not equal processing power.

The PS4 is similar in power to a 2010 high end PC but it does have a nice amount of RAM that will help with things like textures and less cell streaming.

RyviusARC

This isn't simply RAM. Its unified GRAPHICS MEMORY. It can and will be used to create extra GPU processing power.

Graphics memory does not equal processing power......

But get this. With more graphics memory you are able to display much more detailed graphics as the system is able to store higher detailed assets in memory. They are also able to have significantly more assets on screen at any one time and allow games to be played at high resolutions. Even some of the top PCs out there are still at 2GB of graphics memory.

PC is horribly overpriced in any price point  just to play video games. Unoptimized console ports that requires 2x more processing power vs toy consoles will require you to shell in thousands of dollars.

 

But get this. With more graphics memory you are able to display much more detailed graphics as the system is able to store higher detailed assets in memory. They are also able to have significantly more assets on screen at any one time and allow games to be played at high resolutions. Even some of the top PCs out there are still at 2GB of graphics memory.

argetlam00

For the first year or two the PS4 will be under utilized.

So the 2GB cards will be fine.

By the time that you have to start lowering texture resolution more than consoles in order to play with 2GBs of vRAM there will be cheaper 4gb vRAM cards.

Kind of like how my 6800gt from 2004 was playing most games as well as the xbox 360 until around 2007 and by then there were 8800gt cards for around 200USD which were around 3x the power of the 360.

Just wondering......

Does the PS4 have backward-compatibility with PS3 games?

Just wondering......

Does the PS4 have backward-compatibility with PS3 games?

jun_aka_pekto

Since it has completely new architecture my bet would be no.

Get ready to rebuy them on PSN for a reduced price.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

 

But get this. With more graphics memory you are able to display much more detailed graphics as the system is able to store higher detailed assets in memory. They are also able to have significantly more assets on screen at any one time and allow games to be played at high resolutions. Even some of the top PCs out there are still at 2GB of graphics memory.

RyviusARC

For the first year or two the PS4 will be under utilized.

So the 2GB cards will be fine.

By the time that you have to start lowering texture resolution more than consoles in order to play with 2GBs of vRAM there will be cheaper 4gb vRAM cards.

Kind of like how my 6800gt from 2004 was playing most games as well as the xbox 360 until around 2007 and by then there were 8800gt cards for around 200USD which were around 3x the power of the 360.

yes you are right. But do you really think a $750 PC right now will last as long as a PS4 even at console resolutions (which will likely be 1080p this gen)? I personally doubt it. The fact that developers are able to code to the metal on the PS4 makes the possibilities of optomization even higher this gen than they were last gen. Man I can't understate how impressed I am with the system Sony put together.

Just wondering......

Does the PS4 have backward-compatibility with PS3 games?

jun_aka_pekto

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Just wondering......

Does the PS4 have backward-compatibility with PS3 games?

whiskeystrike

I hope Sony will have a system that will recognize PS3 games that you own and allow you to stream them on the PS4 without PS+. I'm assuming having PS+ will have access to the entire catalogue of streamable games.

Assuming games are not a deciding factor (as preference is subjective). 

PS4 no brainer. It will last you 5-6 years. It will probably have better gfx down the strech too (thanks to optimization). 

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

 

But get this. With more graphics memory you are able to display much more detailed graphics as the system is able to store higher detailed assets in memory. They are also able to have significantly more assets on screen at any one time and allow games to be played at high resolutions. Even some of the top PCs out there are still at 2GB of graphics memory.

argetlam00

For the first year or two the PS4 will be under utilized.

So the 2GB cards will be fine.

By the time that you have to start lowering texture resolution more than consoles in order to play with 2GBs of vRAM there will be cheaper 4gb vRAM cards.

Kind of like how my 6800gt from 2004 was playing most games as well as the xbox 360 until around 2007 and by then there were 8800gt cards for around 200USD which were around 3x the power of the 360.

yes you are right. But do you really think a $750 PC right now will last as long as a PS4 even at console resolutions (which will likely be 1080p this gen)? I personally doubt it. The fact that developers are able to code to the metal on the PS4 makes the possibilities of optomization even higher this gen than they were last gen. Man I can't understate how impressed I am with the system Sony put together.

The API overhead from PC is experienced more on the CPU side.

The PC GPU is less hindered and will perform around the same as a similar powered console GPU.

Since the PS4 CPU is not that powerful and relies more on core count for multithreading a PC with an i5 2500k or better should be fine for many years.

Also the advantage of a PC is that you can overclock the GPU and CPU for increased performance without the need to upgrade.

I currently have overclocked an i5 2500k to 4.2ghz and still have some extra room to OC it to 4.6ghz if I wanted since I am using a Noctua NH-D14 CPU heatsink for cooling.

Consoles can't oc because they have to rely on lower power consumption and lower temps.

Well..................................................................... Ps4, cuz it has the games I want. If I get a PC, what am I going to play? I cant think of anything on PC that will get me even slightly interesting on playing. BF4? not really into those types of shooters. PS2? looks cool, but aint no body got time for that. Um wat else? MMO, no thanks. Nengo_Flow

How do you know PS4 has the games you want when only about 3 exclusives have been revealed for it

It is infuriating that backwards compatibility is not a given in consoles.. When I want to play a older pc game, I don't have to lug out my machine from the 90s to play them.. Yet we actually have people defending this move by the console makers.. Wtf?sSubZerOo

It sucks yes, but in the case of the PS4 its kind of unavoidable. The architecture is completely different. "Coding to the metal" will also cause problems with backwards compatability.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

This isn't simply RAM. Its unified GRAPHICS MEMORY. It can and will be used to create extra GPU processing power.

argetlam00

Graphics memory does not equal processing power......

But get this. With more graphics memory you are able to display much more detailed graphics as the system is able to store higher detailed assets in memory. They are also able to have significantly more assets on screen at any one time and allow games to be played at high resolutions. Even some of the top PCs out there are still at 2GB of graphics memory.

But the 8gb of memory is total system memory for the PS4. Not all 8gb is going to be for the graphics card.

On top of that simply having a large amount of ram doesn't mean better graphics. It still has to have the processing power behind it. You can't just strap 8gb of ram to a computer from 2000, and all of a sudden pull off stellar graphics.

you have to remember this forum is full of consolites, Majority~ , they are biased and uninformed about graphics and price of pc components, not to mentioned retarded in what a pc type architecture means for next gen consoles in regards to graphic pushing technoledgy . This isnt the cell arcutecure, Devs will be pushing the full performance of the ps4 gpu almost immediately. That means the future does not hold better graphics.

 

Its alot different this time around, what you see on release is basically as good as its gonna ever get for graphics on ps4. 

Now these ignormasus  love to quote prices ranging from 700 all the way to 2000 and tell you crap like you gotta upgrade every year . Thats a biased consolite rubbish statement.

 

Here are the facts,  The ps4 gpu is roughly about the same power of 7850.  Its based of the AMD's APU.  The cpu on this console sucks really bad, So the gpu will be picking up the slack for the cpu by sharing some specific tasks with it. 

The ps4  has 1.84 teraflops of power. To put things into perspective , A radeon 7970 has 3.5 teraflops of power...       The nextbox will have 1.24 teraflops of power.

 

The fact is, As long as you buy a computer that sports a gtx 660. You will be playing at slightly better visuals than a ps4 could push. The gtx 660 has 2 teraflops of power

 

The gtx 660 is $200 bucks.  Get yourself a okay i5 or a fx amd cpu and pair it a motherboard. I recon $700 bucks will get you good quality parts and have you gaming with better visuals than a ps4.  If you go for an amd gpu, you might get some free games depending on the series you buy. Right now you getting bioshock 3/crysis 3/tombraider with 7970. And 78's giving you bioshock 3 and tombraider with the card. 

 

These retarded consolites  are just to ignorant and should be ignored.

Steam sales = after you buy 10 games, you have already spent less than a  console

If a part goes wrong on a console, you either screwed or gotta wait a long time to get replacement. If a part goes wrong in a pc, It can be easily replaced.

Pcs get all the important multiplat games, and we have more exclusives than both consoles combined

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/18/50-pc-exclusive-games-in-2013

Very awesome one to look out for is STAR Citizen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlIWJlz6-Eg

 

 

In addition thats not on that 50 exclusive list for pc we have 2 unreal engine 4 games coming up called fortnight and daylight that look good

This arguement isnt even close, PC ALL THE WAY

lunar1122

  Better yet why talk about graphics.. It seems like this is the only reason to compare them.. And that is what is wrong with gaming.. In which we continue to see the same sh!t over again (that is if we are lucky, if we are unlucky its simplified compared to its predecessor) in a new shiny wrapper.. The graphics look impressive on all these systems, if this is the number one reason why you will be getting one over the other.. You are the cancer of the industry.. In which they are releasing these shallow games that can be beaten in a few sittings with minimal replay value.. I would take current gen graphics any day if it meant we start seeing more depth in video games overall.. Especially when it comes to the mainstream genres.. 

Get a PS4 now then a couple of years (3-4) from now build a pc for $700 and you get a i12 intel with 12 gigs of vram 64gb of system ram , hdd cloud storagemetal_zombie

This seems most reasonable. I can virtually guarantee that if you build a $600 or $700 PC today, it will not perform as well as the PS4 on multiplatform games in general, and will have to be upgraded later anyway.

To put things in perspective: I have an HD 7950, which is basically one of the more powerful graphics cards available today, and even at this late stage in the current console cycle I can't max every game and get the smooth 1080p/60fps that I desire. All of the Assassin's Creed games, The Witcher 2, Crysis 2 (with DirectX11, high res textures), Crysis 3, Farcry 3, Metro 2033, Deus Ex Human Revolution, Shogun 2....these are all games that I cannot achieve a smooth 60fps in. 

It's the sad reality. Even though I upgraded to a fairly high-end graphics card at the tail end of the console generation (7 years in) I still can't max every game and get a smooth framerate without judder. Plus, there are too many games, even on PC, which don't give enough anti-aliasing options and thus leave a fair amount of jaggies present. Crysis 2, Farcry 3, Deus Ex HR, and The Witcher 2 are all guilty of this. 

It's for reasons like these that my enthusiasm for the PC as a gaming platform has diminished a bit. I still enjoy it and believe that it is a very good choice for some people, but it's possible I might be spending more time on the PS4 next generation than on PC. 

The API overhead from PC is experienced more on the CPU side.

The PC GPU is less hindered and will perform around the same as a similar powered console GPU.

Since the PS4 CPU is not that powerful and relies more on core count for multithreading a PC with an i5 2500k or better should be fine for many years.

Also the advantage of a PC is that you can overclock the GPU and CPU for increased performance without the need to upgrade.

I currently have overclocked an i5 2500k to 4.2ghz and still have some extra room to OC it to 4.6ghz if I wanted since I am using a Noctua NH-D14 CPU heatsink for cooling.

Consoles can't oc because they have to rely on lower power consumption and lower temps.

RyviusARC

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]The API overhead from PC is experienced more on the CPU side.

The PC GPU is less hindered and will perform around the same as a similar powered console GPU.

Since the PS4 CPU is not that powerful and relies more on core count for multithreading a PC with an i5 2500k or better should be fine for many years.

Also the advantage of a PC is that you can overclock the GPU and CPU for increased performance without the need to upgrade.

I currently have overclocked an i5 2500k to 4.2ghz and still have some extra room to OC it to 4.6ghz if I wanted since I am using a Noctua NH-D14 CPU heatsink for cooling.

Consoles can't oc because they have to rely on lower power consumption and lower temps.

metal_zombie

 And why not? A Q6600 still is able to perform well on most games.. 

PS4, I already have a decent PC!YoshiYogurt

[QUOTE="lunar1122"]

you have to remember this forum is full of consolites, Majority~ , they are biased and uninformed about graphics and price of pc components, not to mentioned retarded in what a pc type architecture means for next gen consoles in regards to graphic pushing technoledgy . This isnt the cell arcutecure, Devs will be pushing the full performance of the ps4 gpu almost immediately. That means the future does not hold better graphics.

 

Its alot different this time around, what you see on release is basically as good as its gonna ever get for graphics on ps4. 

Now these ignormasus  love to quote prices ranging from 700 all the way to 2000 and tell you crap like you gotta upgrade every year . Thats a biased consolite rubbish statement.

 

Here are the facts,  The ps4 gpu is roughly about the same power of 7850.  Its based of the AMD's APU.  The cpu on this console sucks really bad, So the gpu will be picking up the slack for the cpu by sharing some specific tasks with it. 

The ps4  has 1.84 teraflops of power. To put things into perspective , A radeon 7970 has 3.5 teraflops of power...       The nextbox will have 1.24 teraflops of power.

 

The fact is, As long as you buy a computer that sports a gtx 660. You will be playing at slightly better visuals than a ps4 could push. The gtx 660 has 2 teraflops of power

 

The gtx 660 is $200 bucks.  Get yourself a okay i5 or a fx amd cpu and pair it a motherboard. I recon $700 bucks will get you good quality parts and have you gaming with better visuals than a ps4.  If you go for an amd gpu, you might get some free games depending on the series you buy. Right now you getting bioshock 3/crysis 3/tombraider with 7970. And 78's giving you bioshock 3 and tombraider with the card. 

 

These retarded consolites  are just to ignorant and should be ignored.

Steam sales = after you buy 10 games, you have already spent less than a  console

If a part goes wrong on a console, you either screwed or gotta wait a long time to get replacement. If a part goes wrong in a pc, It can be easily replaced.

Pcs get all the important multiplat games, and we have more exclusives than both consoles combined

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/18/50-pc-exclusive-games-in-2013

Very awesome one to look out for is STAR Citizen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlIWJlz6-Eg

 

 

In addition thats not on that 50 exclusive list for pc we have 2 unreal engine 4 games coming up called fortnight and daylight that look good

This arguement isnt even close, PC ALL THE WAY

sSubZerOo

  Better yet why talk about graphics.. It seems like this is the only reason to compare them.. And that is what is wrong with gaming.. In which we continue to see the same sh!t over again (that is if we are lucky, if we are unlucky its simplified compared to its predecessor) in a new shiny wrapper.. The graphics look impressive on all these systems, if this is the number one reason why you will be getting one over the other.. You are the cancer of the industry.. In which they are releasing these shallow games that can be beaten in a few sittings with minimal replay value.. I would take current gen graphics any day if it meant we start seeing more depth in video games overall.. Especially when it comes to the mainstream genres.. 

i hear ya, but dont come and tell me i need to spend 400 every year in graphic cards to so called "keep up".    (im responsing inregards to ignorant consolites, not directly you). 

anybody could buy a gtx 660 right now and game  fine at ps4 ish level graphics  for the next 5 years till the next console generation comes out after ps4.   So much crap i hear on these forums pretending we spend huge amounts of money.  I disagree so much with that, i spend LESSS ON pc than on console thanks to steam. Its the whole reason i went with gaming pc instead, till i realized the games were also good as well.  Computer games feel way more alive than console games. PC games have the biggest multiplayer communities, and better graphics if you want it. You dont have to game in better graphics,but if you want better graphics, the option is there, Unlike consoles you stuck with what you got. 

This seems most reasonable. I can virtually guarantee that if you build a $600 or $700 PC today, it will not perform as well as the PS4 on multiplatform games in general, and will have to be upgraded later anyway.

 

To put things in perspective: I have an HD 7950, which is basically one of the more powerful graphics cards available today, and even at this late stage in the current console cycle I can't max every game and get the smooth 1080p/60fps that I desire. All of the Assassin's Creed games, The Witcher 2, Crysis 2 (with DirectX11, high res textures), Crysis 3, Farcry 3, Metro 2033, Deus Ex Human Revolution, Shogun 2....these are all games that I cannot achieve a smooth 60fps in. 

It's the sad reality. Even though I upgraded to a fairly high-end graphics card at the tail end of the console generation (7 years in) I still can't max every game and get a smooth framerate without judder. Plus, there are too many games, even on PC, which don't give enough anti-aliasing options and thus leave a fair amount of jaggies present. Crysis 2, Farcry 3, Deus Ex HR, and The Witcher 2 are all guilty of this. 

It's for reasons like these that my enthusiasm for the PC as a gaming platform has diminished a bit. I still enjoy it and believe that it is a very good choice for some people, but it's possible I might be spending more time on the PS4 next generation than on PC. 

avshaman