IGN Article: Saving Gears of war

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/105/1058678p1.html

Very good article imo. Gears 2 could have been the next halo for MS but really blew it with the laggy/glitchy online that had some real problems. In order for gears 3 to have halo 3 like success where even 2 years after release its always in the top 3 most played on xbox live, ( Gears 2 barely makes the top 10 now adays and came out over a year after halo did) it needs to launch and work day one. It needs to define its self also, I dont think matchmaking really fit gears, It should have PC like lobbies and searching for matches, just copying halo wont really make it as successful.

OMG, I actually agree with IGN for once.:o

I hope most of that happens though.

Just don't rush it out like Gears 2, I think it's safe to assume that M$ pushed EPIC to release it in order to have a big holiday titlesalxis

Yeah, they should spend a lot of time and bringing something new to the game. i felt there isnt much improvement from geow1 and 2 graphically and gameplay.

Yeah, the laggy/buggy online is what had me stop playing it.SparkyProtocol

Yeah its a real shame because the game behind it imo was fantastic. Really good maps, modes, gameplay. They nailed everything, Me and my mates played it after school like everyday for about a month but we just couldn't ignore the problems anymore. I mean every match I started noticing how bad the bullet lag was. I would shoot at the wall and nothing would show up till about a half second later.

Yeah, the laggy/buggy online is what had me stop playing it.SparkyProtocol

The SP was not that great either. the last boss was a cop out. Gears 1 was a way better game.

Its not just the lag, I feel like Gears 2 didn't exactly adopta lot of new things after the first other than Horde. The online rank system was pointless without anything new, so it felt kind of old by todays standards. Even in games like Uncharted 2 where online isn't a major feature like it is for Gears 2, the adoption of some modern features (like unlocks with ranks and a currency system) made it vastly better.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]Yeah, the laggy/buggy online is what had me stop playing it.mazdero

The SP was not that great either. the last boss was a cop out. Gears 1 was a way better game.

Yeah, the laggy/buggy online is what had me stop playing it.SparkyProtocol

I enjoyed Gears 2. Personally, I thought the campaign was fantastic, much better than the first. I enjoyed every bit of it, even the reaver section that so many hate I found to be exhilerating. The lack of an end boss was the only dissapointing element in the campaign for me. Horde was a fantastic addition as well that has given birth to loads of knockoffs. Gears 2's problems stemmed from its laggy and glitchyonline whichplagued the original as well (though the original is still my favorite online game of all time to this day). Fix that and you fix the series.

I enjoyed Gears 2. Personally, I thought the campaign was fantastic, much better than the first. I enjoyed every bit of it, even the reaver section that so many hate I found to be exhilerating. The lack of an end boss was the only dissapointing element in the campaign for me. Horde was a fantastic addition as well that has given birth to loads of knockoffs. Gears 2's problems stemmed from its laggy and glitchyonline whichplagued the original as well (though the original is still my favorite online game of all time to this day). Fix that and you fix the series.

jamejame

The only reason halo does so well is because it is marketed VERY VERY WELL. The game itself is nothing special. its fun, but it hasnt done anything special to the shooter genre. Gears has done more than Halo. Epic should only look at Halo for marketing, not for gameplay.

The only reason halo does so well is because it is marketed VERY VERY WELL. The game itself is nothing special. its fun, but it hasnt done anything special to the shooter genre. Gears has done more than Halo. Epic should only look at Halo for marketing, not for gameplay.

painguy1

The only reason halo does so well is because it is marketed VERY VERY WELL. The game itself is nothing special. its fun, but it hasnt done anything special to the shooter genre. Gears has done more than Halo. Epic should only look at Halo for marketing, not for gameplay.

painguy1

marketing doesn't keep a loyal fanbase around for 3 years. Thats the whole point of the article that gears 2 sold well but doesn't have long term success all because of the online not being as good as halo in terms of running well, excellently balanced and matchmaking that works

The only reason halo does so well is because it is marketed VERY VERY WELL. The game itself is nothing special. its fun, but it hasnt done anything special to the shooter genre. Gears has done more than Halo. Epic should only look at Halo for marketing, not for gameplay.

painguy1

I think the game could use a considerable amount of budget in not having such meat head dialogue that games like Army of Two and Killzone 2 have conversations that could be considered vegetarian head.

There is a point at which "the rookie" says there are a (expletive deleted)load of grubs down there. Marcus Fenix corrects him, suggesting that there are, in fact, "Ten (expletive deleted)loads." I want to grant that Gears of War takes place on the planet Sera, where (expletive deleted)load may be a genuine unit of measurement - but that's dumb, and this line is dumb, and the people speaking are idiots, and they live in a world of dumb(expletive deleted)where stupidity of a form of currency.

I mean, when you have Bender Bending Rodriguez voicing your main character you need better dialogue than THAT.

[QUOTE="jamejame"]

I enjoyed Gears 2. Personally, I thought the campaign was fantastic, much better than the first. I enjoyed every bit of it, even the reaver section that so many hate I found to be exhilerating. The lack of an end boss was the only dissapointing element in the campaign for me. Horde was a fantastic addition as well that has given birth to loads of knockoffs. Gears 2's problems stemmed from its laggy and glitchy online which plagued the original as well (though the original is still my favorite online game of all time to this day). Fix that and you fix the series.

Microsoft1234

agreed 100% gears 1 was my favorite multiplayer this gen (beating the cods and even uncharted 2) and had an alright campaign with co-op. i was so excited for gears 2 and played campaign all night with my buddy. amazing. horde was great.

multiplayer... sucked HARD. No servers, no morehosting your own public games with the settings you wanted,no map rotations,just a broken matchmaking that could take up to 5 minutes of searching. even worse host advantage. the weapon changes were awful. shotgun made to crap. smoke grenades that aren't used for smoking (knockdown and cringe FTL). planting grenades on walls (stupidest addition) 3 boomshot rounds, no more melee stun, etc.

I used to love Gears of War. But they killed it.

I'll agree that they need to drop the whole meathead mechanic and Michael Bay fray that Gears is becoming. I remember seeing the Mad World trailer for Gears of War 1 and thought, "Damn, that was dark and deep" to a sense that an advertisement would do. They need to bring that sort of mindset into Gears. The game needs a more desperate feel rather than fist-to-your-face approach. Heck, Jacinto is gone! If the humans aren't on their last knees in the next one, then I don't know what to think of Epic.

the problem was Epic fell in love with that damn chainsaw and decided that it needed to be superior in every way, shape, and form to a freaking shotgun at close range. they appealed to all the people were were terrible at gears 1 and wanted the true reason as to why it was fun (shotty), to be made as weak as a super soaker.

the problem was Epic fell in love with that damn chainsaw and decided that it needed to be superior in every way, shape, and form to a freaking shotgun at close range. they appealed to all the people were were terrible at gears 1 and wanted the true reason as to why it was fun (shotty), to be made as weak as a super soaker.

antifanboyftw

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] ok i mean one of the funnest and most balanced games online isn't special? epic should be looking at making gears 2 like gears 1, gears 2 is terrible, lancers way op and the random weapons just ruined it, also the blind fire and the nerfing of the shotgun never made sense. Microsoft1234

the problem was Epic fell in love with that damn chainsaw and decided that it needed to be superior in every way, shape, and form to a freaking shotgun at close range. they appealed to all the people were were terrible at gears 1 and wanted the true reason as to why it was fun (shotty), to be made as weak as a super soaker.

antifanboyftw

all that needs to be said is this.......gears of war 1's multiplayer was hands down the best on the 360 maybe only rivaled by cod4,mw2, or halo 3. that's how good it was. Microsoft1234

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="Saturos3091"] Shotgun and Longshot needed the nerf. I'm glad they did it. Lancer was also nerfed in the most recent patch, although I stopped playing about a month after release so I haven't tried it out. The first game had more memorable maps and was a more unique experience when it was released, I'd give you that though. I played that game for about 5 months before I got bored...D00nut

I'll agree that they need to drop the whole meathead mechanic and Michael Bay fray that Gears is becoming. I remember seeing the Mad World trailer for Gears of War 1 and thought, "Damn, that was dark and deep" to a sense that an advertisement would do. They need to bring that sort of mindset into Gears. The game needs a more desperate feel rather than fist-to-your-face approach. Heck, Jacinto is gone! If the humans aren't on their last knees in the next one, then I don't know what to think of Epic.

D00nut

Yeah I know! The game's trailers always try to give off an emotional feel, then the game has you dealing with potentially emotional moments by

A) Witnessing a cutscene, then

B) Moving on with the game.

Even the cutscenes fail to give off a desperate feel when you can see Cole plow through a ton of moron enemies for a comic relief moment.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]longshot needed nerfing a little, but the fact that u were downed once meant u couldn't roam around anywhere you wanted...... the nerfing of the shotgun greatly reduced the skill gap in gears which already wasn't very high to begin with. D00nut

[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"]

the problem was Epic fell in love with that damn chainsaw and decided that it needed to be superior in every way, shape, and form to a freaking shotgun at close range. they appealed to all the people were were terrible at gears 1 and wanted the true reason as to why it was fun (shotty), to be made as weak as a super soaker.

Saturos3091

all that needs to be said is this.......gears of war 1's multiplayer was hands down the best on the 360 maybe only rivaled by cod4,mw2, or halo 3. that's how good it was. Microsoft1234

I'll agree with the online, they really need to fix the lag and the glitches but other than that I think its fine. I don't get why people say the campaign wasn't as good. IMO it destorys Gears 1. Sure it wasn't as dark or creey, but it was much more intense and the fights were way better. Plus I loved the whole going into the hollow thing they did. Also the story was better although still not the best, it was definately a step up from the first.

The only reason halo does so well is because it is marketed VERY VERY WELL. The game itself is nothing special. its fun, but it hasnt done anything special to the shooter genre. Gears has done more than Halo. Epic should only look at Halo for marketing, not for gameplay.

painguy1

Halo teh sux cuz it no do n e thing kneww!

Whatever, you can take your "special" stuff. I'll take a perfectly executed games. Everyone knows how laggy and broken Gears 1 was, and they took a step further with Gears 2.

Oh man, that's so special! I guess broken stuff is what's considered good, no wonder why MW2 is the most played game right now.

the "2 piece" was't even half as bad in that game because of that.

antifanboyftw

No, the two piece wasn't as bad in the first because you had to time your shot, and with the lag you could never get the timing down right so it was rarely ever worth the risk.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

The only reason halo does so well is because it is marketed VERY VERY WELL. The game itself is nothing special. its fun, but it hasnt done anything special to the shooter genre. Gears has done more than Halo. Epic should only look at Halo for marketing, not for gameplay.

ThePRAssassin

Halo teh sux cuz it no do n e thing kneww!

Whatever, you can take your "special" stuff. I'll take a perfectly executed games. Everyone knows how laggy and broken Gears 1 was, and they took a step further with Gears 2.

Oh man, that's so special! I guess broken stuff is what's considered good, no wonder why MW2 is the most played game right now.

ok ill take my good games like Bioshock & Gears. Im tired of generic shooters. All you do is hold the R button and move the controller stick forward. That is SOOOO hard, and fun.

[QUOTE="ThePRAssassin"]

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

The only reason halo does so well is because it is marketed VERY VERY WELL. The game itself is nothing special. its fun, but it hasnt done anything special to the shooter genre. Gears has done more than Halo. Epic should only look at Halo for marketing, not for gameplay.

painguy1

Halo teh sux cuz it no do n e thing kneww!

Whatever, you can take your "special" stuff. I'll take a perfectly executed games. Everyone knows how laggy and broken Gears 1 was, and they took a step further with Gears 2.

Oh man, that's so special! I guess broken stuff is what's considered good, no wonder why MW2 is the most played game right now.

ok ill take my good games like Bioshock & Gears. Im tired of generic shooters. All you do is hold the R button and move the controller stick forward. That is SOOOO hard, and fun.

Because I play Halo? Oh, I wasn't aware I did.

Since you obviously know me better than I do, can you tell me more about me please? I don't want to go through life not knowing anything about myself.

EDIT: Thanks for saving me time and letting everyone know how clueless you are about Halo. You're almost as bad as the kid yesterday who tried to bash Halo's story but knew nothing about it, then when AdobeArtist explained it, he went "oh, that's really interesting I should go back and play the games"

Try playing Halo at level 50 holding R and running forward, let me know how successful you are, k?

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

The only reason halo does so well is because it is marketed VERY VERY WELL. The game itself is nothing special. its fun, but it hasnt done anything special to the shooter genre. Gears has done more than Halo. Epic should only look at Halo for marketing, not for gameplay.

ThePRAssassin

Halo teh sux cuz it no do n e thing kneww!

Whatever, you can take your "special" stuff. I'll take a perfectly executed games. Everyone knows how laggy and broken Gears 1 was, and they took a step further with Gears 2.

Oh man, that's so special! I guess broken stuff is what's considered good, no wonder why MW2 is the most played game right now.

I still haven't bought it :(

I still haven't bought it :(

Blue-Sky

[QUOTE="ThePRAssassin"]

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

The only reason halo does so well is because it is marketed VERY VERY WELL. The game itself is nothing special. its fun, but it hasnt done anything special to the shooter genre. Gears has done more than Halo. Epic should only look at Halo for marketing, not for gameplay.

Microsoft1234

Halo teh sux cuz it no do n e thing kneww!

Whatever, you can take your "special" stuff. I'll take a perfectly executed games. Everyone knows how laggy and broken Gears 1 was, and they took a step further with Gears 2.

Oh man, that's so special! I guess broken stuff is what's considered good, no wonder why MW2 is the most played game right now.

I know, when I said Gears 2 took it further I mean it took the lag and the broken gameplay to a whole new level. It's so bad that people forget Gears 1 is incredibly flawed itself.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="ThePRAssassin"] Here we go again.

Halo teh sux cuz it no do n e thing kneww!

Whatever, you can take your "special" stuff. I'll take a perfectly executed games. Everyone knows how laggy and broken Gears 1 was, and they took a step further with Gears 2.

Oh man, that's so special! I guess broken stuff is what's considered good, no wonder why MW2 is the most played game right now.

ThePRAssassin

I know, when I said Gears 2 took it further I mean it took the lag and the broken gameplay to a whole new level. It's so bad that people forget Gears 1 is incredibly flawed itself.

I dont know about anyone else but beside the lackluster multi-player Gears of War2 did everything else considerably well.....Awesome Game, Awesome

[QUOTE="ThePRAssassin"]

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] gears 2 is way more broken than the first one, only thing even off with te first was longshot and host, and the host advantage still exists in gears 2. gears 2's skill gap is so much lower compared to gears 1. Microsoft1234

I know, when I said Gears 2 took it further I mean it took the lag and the broken gameplay to a whole new level. It's so bad that people forget Gears 1 is incredibly flawed itself.

I honestly didn't mind those changes, there were much bigger issues. The gametypes suck, Assassination was so much better than Guardian. There was actually an emphasis on protecting the leader in the first, because once he died the round was over. Nobody cared about the leader in the second, because even if he died, that meant more kills and more points for the people left alive. Me and my friends used to whore EXP by this, let our leader die and just camp boomshoot, we'd never kill leader and at the end of the first round, everyone on the other team would have 10 or more deaths.

That's another problem, adding in ranks and then changing them. Ranks usually always do more harm then good because there's always kids who have to cheat their way to the top, but if they were going to keep the rank system, it should've been the original. This whole EXP system just fails because up until the last patch, there was no emphasis on winning. All people care about is how many points they can get. The old rank system didn't have a problem, lag switching was the problem and they decided to change everything. The Hammerburst is ridiculously OP.

The boomshot isn't even that serious, Hammer of Dawn is annoying but nothing too ridiculous as most people can't even use it. If they don't release a beta I won't buy Gears 3, which is a shame because it has promise but I'm not paying $60 for a beta, my brother made that mistake, I won't.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="ThePRAssassin"] Here we go again.

Halo teh sux cuz it no do n e thing kneww!

Whatever, you can take your "special" stuff. I'll take a perfectly executed games. Everyone knows how laggy and broken Gears 1 was, and they took a step further with Gears 2.

Oh man, that's so special! I guess broken stuff is what's considered good, no wonder why MW2 is the most played game right now.

ThePRAssassin

ok ill take my good games like Bioshock & Gears. Im tired of generic shooters. All you do is hold the R button and move the controller stick forward. That is SOOOO hard, and fun.

Because I play Halo? Oh, I wasn't aware I did.

Since you obviously know me better than I do, can you tell me more about me please? I don't want to go through life not knowing anything about myself.

EDIT: Thanks for saving me time and letting everyone know how clueless you are about Halo. You're almost as bad as the kid yesterday who tried to bash Halo's story but knew nothing about it, then when AdobeArtist explained it, he went "oh, that's really interesting I should go back and play the games"

Try playing Halo at level 50 holding R and running forward, let me know how successful you are, k?

What? :question::?

I'll agree with the online, they really need to fix the lag and the glitches but other than that I think its fine. I don't get why people say the campaign wasn't as good. IMO it destorys Gears 1. Sure it wasn't as dark or creey, but it was much more intense and the fights were way better. Plus I loved the whole going into the hollow thing they did. Also the story was better although still not the best, it was definately a step up from the first.

sxdx89