IGN: Nintendo EAD #1 Developer of All Time

[QUOTE="Samus3D"][QUOTE="AtariKidX"]

You have fail...again.

Super Mario Galaxy only 15 GotY awards...and it was not the best game for 2007.Bioshock have win the 2007 with 22 GotY awards.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221750

Uncharted 2 have CROWNED as the best game ever.....42 GotY awards.Pure Gold.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381841

PS3 have dominate....again.:cool:

StatusShuffle

[QUOTE="Samus3D"][QUOTE="XVision84"]

What difference does it make?

Mario is mario, it'll always be the same in one way or another.

You still have the same basic gameplay elements, you really think re-releasing the same IP's for generations is 100% OK?

XVision84

No, being stuck with the same old ideas won't move the industry forward, and it most definitely doesn't make Nintendo the best developer.

There's more creativity in a single level of Galaxy 2 than there is in some entire games this gen. Way to prove you have no idea what you're talking about

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Samus3D"] If those IPs can maintain a level of quality and creativity that the Mario franchise has, why not?Shinobishyguy

No, being stuck with the same old ideas won't move the industry forward, and it most definitely doesn't make Nintendo the best developer.

There's more creativity in a single level of Galaxy 2 than there is in some entire games this gen. Way to prove you have no idea what you're talking about

*sigh* You just don't get it do you?

I'm not talking about level design, I'm talking about gameplay mechanics. Even with the twists they've added, it's the same old mario platforming series that we saw many years ago. They're not releasing anything new, and if you truly think that statement is true, then I really don't know what to say to you.

If that was the peak of creativity, I wouldn't be having as much fun gaming as I am now. Here's a wild idea: how about Nintendo stops relying on the same old franchises, and starts trying something new with new IP's?

For the record, if I didn't know what I was talking about, then I wouldn't be saying it. Though you do seem to have trouble understanding the concept of an opinion.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

No, being stuck with the same old ideas won't move the industry forward, and it most definitely doesn't make Nintendo the best developer.

XVision84

There's more creativity in a single level of Galaxy 2 than there is in some entire games this gen. Way to prove you have no idea what you're talking about

*sigh* You just don't get it do you?

I'm not talking about level design, I'm talking about gameplay mechanics. Even with the twists they've added, it's the same old mario platforming series that we saw many years ago. They're not releasing anything new, and if you truly think that statementis true, then you probably haven't played many games this gen.

If that was the peak of creativity, I wouldn't be having as much fun gaming as I am now. Here's a wild idea: how about Nintendo stops relying on the same old franchises, and starts trying something new with new IP's?

For the record, if I didn't know what I was talking about, then I wouldn't be saying it. Thought you do seem to have trouble understanding the concept of an opinion.

It's a no brainer.

There's more creativity in a single level of Galaxy 2 than there is in some entire games this gen.

Shinobishyguy

I agree.

You can make a video game entirely around these two concepts below

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]:lol: You can't be serious

There's more creativity in a single level of Galaxy 2 than there is in some entire games this gen. Way to prove you have no idea what you're talking about

Shinobishyguy

*sigh* You just don't get it do you?

I'm not talking about level design, I'm talking about gameplay mechanics. Even with the twists they've added, it's the same old mario platforming series that we saw many years ago. They're not releasing anything new, and if you truly think that statementis true, then you probably haven't played many games this gen.

If that was the peak of creativity, I wouldn't be having as much fun gaming as I am now. Here's a wild idea: how about Nintendo stops relying on the same old franchises, and starts trying something new with new IP's?

For the record, if I didn't know what I was talking about, then I wouldn't be saying it. Thought you do seem to have trouble understanding the concept of an opinion.

I didn't say there can't be any innovation on existing IP's, and I didn't say that the Mario games are bad. I said that Nintendo's continuously relying on the same IP's for a very long time now. All this time, even though the games were stylized and expanded on, the essence of mario is still very present.

The opinion card is clearly relevant here, you obviously love all the first party games Nintendo is releasing and you're okay with the direction Nintendo is headed in. I, on the other hand, am not. I don't like the fact that they're not using any new IP's, I no longer see the appeal in mario games anymore, and I don't like what Nintendo is doing with the Wii U. See? two differing opinions. The opinion card is always on the table in any argument.

For me, I prefer creativity such as LittleBigPlanet 2, Portal, Demon's Souls, Okami, Journey/Flower, Limbo, etc. don't act like Nintendo is the god all that is holy, they're not.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]:lol: oh no, don't try pulling the opinion card on this You act as though there can never be inovation within an exsisting IP. Then tell me, what was Super mario 64? Y'know the game that set the standard for 3d platformers everywhere? Wasn't that already apart of an old IP? How about how the galaxy games, how their regarded as the pinacle of their genre?Shinobishyguy

I didn't say there can't be any innovation on existing IP's, and I didn't say that the Mario games are bad. I said that Nintendo's continuously relying on the same IP's for a very long time now. All this time, even though the games were stylized and expanded on, the essence of mario is still very present.

The opinion card is clearly relevant here, you obviously love all the first party games Nintendo is releasing and you're okay with the direction Nintendo is headed in. I, on the other hand, am not. I don't like the fact that they're not using any new IP's, I no longer see the appeal in mario games anymore, and I don't like what Nintendo is doing with the Wii U. See? two differing opinions. The opinion card is always on the table in any argument.

For me, I prefer creativity such as LittleBigPlanet 2, Portal, Demon's Souls, Okami, Journey/Flower, Limbo, etc. don't act like Nintendo is the god all that is holy, they're not.

Would Mario galaxy be somehow better if they replaced him with a Greek carpenter who has to rescue a queen from a giant iguana?

No, it would be the same damn game. With the same masterfully crafted levels and unique concepts.

Look at the games I listed.

Compare them to Sly Cooper, Shadow of the Colossus, Socom, Halo, etc. from last gen.

Notice how the games are different, how they feel different. Even really unique and old games like Medievil are interesting to me. I like new concepts, not old IP's with the same base gameplay. Like I've said many times now, the feel of the Mario games have been all the same. They have the same base gameplay, same character, same universe that they've always had. I admit that they had some really awesome variations like Paper Mario, but again, that was an old idea. Look at the lineup of upcoming Wii U/3DS games; NSMB 2 and Paper Mario for 3DS are extremely similar to their old counterparts. Why not forget Mario, and create a new, fresh IP all together?

Look at Uncharted, it was so appealing when it first came out and really caught me with its charm and whitty characters. Now I've grown tired of Uncharted, it had its run, but it needs a break. The Last of Us, despite being of the same genre, is so different than Uncharted that it feels fresh. They went for a completely different feel, different look, different style, different gameplay. This happened in 1 generation.

Please try to understand my point here instead of repeating the same question.

About Kid Icarus Uprising: See, I actually like that game. It's one of the reasons that I'm considering getting a 3DS some time down the line, it looks really interesting and it's something new. It's still not a new IP, but the gameplay does appeal to me.

Even though this whole time I've been complaining about Nintendo's lack of IP's, I do have fun playing Pokemon games. Like I said, to each their own, but I prefer the constant stream of new IP's each gen from the HD Twins than what Nintendo's doing with their long-term IP's.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

No, being stuck with the same old ideas won't move the industry forward, and it most definitely doesn't make Nintendo the best developer.

XVision84

There's more creativity in a single level of Galaxy 2 than there is in some entire games this gen. Way to prove you have no idea what you're talking about

*sigh* You just don't get it do you?

I'm not talking about level design, I'm talking about gameplay mechanics. Even with the twists they've added, it's the same old mario platforming series that we saw many years ago. They're not releasing anything new, and if you truly think that statement is true, then I really don't know what to say to you.

If that was the peak of creativity, I wouldn't be having as much fun gaming as I am now. Here's a wild idea: how about Nintendo stops relying on the same old franchises, and starts trying something new with new IP's?

For the record, if I didn't know what I was talking about, then I wouldn't be saying it. Though you do seem to have trouble understanding the concept of an opinion.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]:lol: You can't be serious

There's more creativity in a single level of Galaxy 2 than there is in some entire games this gen. Way to prove you have no idea what you're talking about

Jamiemydearx3

*sigh* You just don't get it do you?

I'm not talking about level design, I'm talking about gameplay mechanics. Even with the twists they've added, it's the same old mario platforming series that we saw many years ago. They're not releasing anything new, and if you truly think that statement is true, then I really don't know what to say to you.

If that was the peak of creativity, I wouldn't be having as much fun gaming as I am now. Here's a wild idea: how about Nintendo stops relying on the same old franchises, and starts trying something new with new IP's?

For the record, if I didn't know what I was talking about, then I wouldn't be saying it. Though you do seem to have trouble understanding the concept of an opinion.

I didn't know my posts were so funny :P.

About Kid Icarus Uprising: See, I actually like that game. It's one of the reasons that I'm considering getting a 3DS some time down the line, it looks really interesting and it's something new. It's still not a new IP, but the gameplay does appeal to me.

Even though this whole time I've been complaining about Nintendo's lack of IP's, I do have fun playing Pokemon games. Like I said, to each their own, but I prefer the constant stream of new IP's each gen from the HD Twins than what Nintendo's doing with their long-term IP's.

XVision84

But you have to understand that old IP's that bring new ideas to the table have their merits as well. Hell Nintendo isn't up on that list for nothing y'know

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

About Kid Icarus Uprising: See, I actually like that game. It's one of the reasons that I'm considering getting a 3DS some time down the line, it looks really interesting and it's something new. It's still not a new IP, but the gameplay does appeal to me.

Even though this whole time I've been complaining about Nintendo's lack of IP's, I do have fun playing Pokemon games. Like I said, to each their own, but I prefer the constant stream of new IP's each gen from the HD Twins than what Nintendo's doing with their long-term IP's.

Shinobishyguy

But you have to understand that old IP's that bring new ideas to the table have their merits as well. Hell Nintendo isn't up on that list for nothing y'know

Yep, I get that.

They're doing a great job keeping the IP's going strong and trying to keep them fresh. I admit I overreacted a bit with my first post :P, they do deserve to be up there, and they definitely do a good job of keeping their core audience happy (which is something that many companies can learn from). I just wish they added more franchises in the process.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

About Kid Icarus Uprising: See, I actually like that game. It's one of the reasons that I'm considering getting a 3DS some time down the line, it looks really interesting and it's something new. It's still not a new IP, but the gameplay does appeal to me.

Even though this whole time I've been complaining about Nintendo's lack of IP's, I do have fun playing Pokemon games. Like I said, to each their own, but I prefer the constant stream of new IP's each gen from the HD Twins than what Nintendo's doing with their long-term IP's.

XVision84

But you have to understand that old IP's that bring new ideas to the table have their merits as well. Hell Nintendo isn't up on that list for nothing y'know

Yep, I get that.

They're doing a great job keeping the IP's going strong and trying to keep them fresh. I admit I overreacted a bit with my first post :P, they do deserve to be up there, and they definitely do a good job of keeping their core audience happy (which is something that many companies can learn from). I just wish they added more franchises in the process.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

About Kid Icarus Uprising: See, I actually like that game. It's one of the reasons that I'm considering getting a 3DS some time down the line, it looks really interesting and it's something new. It's still not a new IP, but the gameplay does appeal to me.

Even though this whole time I've been complaining about Nintendo's lack of IP's, I do have fun playing Pokemon games. Like I said, to each their own, but I prefer the constant stream of new IP's each gen from the HD Twins than what Nintendo's doing with their long-term IP's.

XVision84

But you have to understand that old IP's that bring new ideas to the table have their merits as well. Hell Nintendo isn't up on that list for nothing y'know

Yep, I get that.

They're doing a great job keeping the IP's going strong and trying to keep them fresh. I admit I overreacted a bit with my first post :P, they do deserve to be up there, and they definitely do a good job of keeping their core audience happy (which is something that many companies can learn from). I just wish they added more franchises in the process.

"I sure didn't see that coming" - Said no one ever.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] Well that' understandable, everyone has different preferences after all.

But you have to understand that old IP's that bring new ideas to the table have their merits as well. Hell Nintendo isn't up on that list for nothing y'know

Nintendo_Ownes7

Yep, I get that.

They're doing a great job keeping the IP's going strong and trying to keep them fresh. I admit I overreacted a bit with my first post :P, they do deserve to be up there, and they definitely do a good job of keeping their core audience happy (which is something that many companies can learn from). I just wish they added more franchises in the process.

Yeah I've heard that Handheld Nintendo is much better than console nintendo (Handhelds is really the only aspect of Nintendo that interests me), but just out of curiosity, what major new IP's have started out on handhelds?

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] Well that' understandable, everyone has different preferences after all.

But you have to understand that old IP's that bring new ideas to the table have their merits as well. Hell Nintendo isn't up on that list for nothing y'know

Shinobishyguy

Yep, I get that.

They're doing a great job keeping the IP's going strong and trying to keep them fresh. I admit I overreacted a bit with my first post :P, they do deserve to be up there, and they definitely do a good job of keeping their core audience happy (which is something that many companies can learn from). I just wish they added more franchises in the process.

It's all good.

*thumbs up*

:P

betting the main reason is the whole saving gaming back in the olden days.

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Yep, I get that.

They're doing a great job keeping the IP's going strong and trying to keep them fresh. I admit I overreacted a bit with my first post :P, they do deserve to be up there, and they definitely do a good job of keeping their core audience happy (which is something that many companies can learn from). I just wish they added more franchises in the process.

XVision84

Yeah I've heard that Handheld Nintendo is much better than console nintendo (Handhelds is really the only aspect of Nintendo that interests me), but just out of curiosity, what major new IP's have started out on handhelds?

I can't think of anything else that could be considered Major but they did have a lot of new IPs (I counted atleast 25 on the DS and I didn't count every single new IP they had on the DS)

Edit* How many are actually developed internally at Nintendo I couldn't say but Nintendo does own those IPs.

Also I could've included Hotel Dusk Room 215 and Trace Memory; Both had sequels Trace Memory had a sequel on the Wii and Hotel Dusk resently had a sequel but it didn't get released in North America.

Well that's their opinion. Nintendo EAD has been mediocre.

People bash Nintendo for this gen. IMO I think Nintendo has one of their best generations ever. Think about what we got on the Wii:

1. 2 Zelda's.

2. 2 Metroid's

3. 2 3D Mario Titles

4. Mario Kart

5. Donkey Kong Country Returns

6. Smash Bros

7. 2D Mario

It was a damn good gen if you ask me from Nintendo's own franchises alone.

not surprised since ign is full of zelda fanboys

betting the main reason is the whole saving gaming back in the olden days.

finalfantasy94

They did touch screen before it was popular. That alone is like huuuge today, they did it before smartphones lool

Now it's a standard, then it was a gimmick, just like the analog stick:lol:

They're including several developer studios combined into one.. For example, Nintendo EAD as a whole, Capcom as a whole and Konami as a whole etc..

Kojima Productions is factually the greatest SINGLE developement team for creating the greatest franchise of all time; Metal Gear and the best game ever made; Metal Gear Solid 4.

Nintendo as a whole has done much more with Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, etc..

wow, no one saw this coming, at all.

i mean they rehashed the same games over and over again, give them a medal!

wow, no one saw this coming, at all.

i mean they rehashed the same games over and over again, give them a medal!

HaloinventedFPS

who else is there with a better track record? i mean seriously

Mario1331

CA isnt even on the list, seriously? ND at 17?

R* North being 3 is a joke, they have made the exact same game since GTA3.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

wow, no one saw this coming, at all.

i mean they rehashed the same games over and over again, give them a medal!

Mozelleple112

SS got a 7.5, OOT has aged poorly, Nintendo didnt make Smash Bros.

I think objectively wise, no one can say with a straight face that Nintendo did not have the biggest impact on the console industry. Without them console gaming might have been dead since the 80's.tagyhag

yea feels pointless to have this type of list. Since your not going to beat the people who picked gaming back up in the olden days.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

betting the main reason is the whole saving gaming back in the olden days.

SuperFlakeman

They did touch screen before it was popular. That alone is like huuuge today, they did it before smartphones lool

Now it's a standard, then it was a gimmick, just like the analog stick:lol:

did you just call the analog stick a gimmick?

They're including several developer studios combined into one.. For example, Nintendo EAD as a whole, Capcom as a whole and Konami as a whole etc..

Kojima Productions is factually the greatest SINGLE developement team for creating the greatest franchise of all time; Metal Gear and the best game ever made; Metal Gear Solid 4.

Nintendo as a whole has done much more with Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, etc..

Mozelleple112

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

wow, no one saw this coming, at all.

i mean they rehashed the same games over and over again, give them a medal!

HaloinventedFPS

SS got a 7.5, OOT has aged poorly, Nintendo didnt make Smash Bros.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Give them credit where credit is due! Ocarina of Time Super Mario 64 Super Mario Smash Bros Super Mario Smash Bros 3 Super Mario World And pretty much every other Zelda is a 9.5/10 GOTY contending game. I'd still take Kojima Productions for MGS4 over any one of the singlular development studios Nintendo has. hiphops_savior

SS got a 7.5, OOT has aged poorly, Nintendo didnt make Smash Bros.

LTTP wrote the blueprint actually, OOT is LTTP in 3D. Galaxy is good, Galaxy 2 is a rehash and arguably the most overrated game of all time/

SS got a 7.5, OOT has aged poorly HaloinventedFPS

OOT is LTTP in 3D. Mario Galaxy 2 is a rehash HaloinventedFPS

.....

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Give them credit where credit is due! Ocarina of Time Super Mario 64 Super Mario Smash Bros Super Mario Smash Bros 3 Super Mario World And pretty much every other Zelda is a 9.5/10 GOTY contending game. I'd still take Kojima Productions for MGS4 over any one of the singlular development studios Nintendo has. hiphops_savior

SS got a 7.5, OOT has aged poorly, Nintendo didnt make Smash Bros.

and yes I agree OOT has aged poorly. I don't see its influence on any game at all. So hardly a blue print either. Mozelleple112

Your opinion is wrong and I can see you're not worthy to receive the knowledge of legendary Ocarina of Time's impact that it had...no! has, not had.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

wow, no one saw this coming, at all.

i mean they rehashed the same games over and over again, give them a medal!

HaloinventedFPS

SS got a 7.5, OOT has aged poorly, Nintendo didnt make Smash Bros.

Well that's their opinion. Nintendo EAD has been mediocre.

GD1551

what words in the sentence "all time" dont you get

Lol, typical IGN doing anything for hits. Nintendo isvastly overrated, and they will not be revolutionizing gaming until they learn to catch up to the standards set by the competition. Wii U should've came out in 2006-7, not in 2012.

Hardware aside, there's nothing special about Nintendo's software. It's the same old Nintendo IP's we've already seen before. Honestly now, it's just pathetic, it's like they're not even trying to deliver an exceptional experience.

XVision84

so who has a better track record to you? just curious

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Well that's their opinion. Nintendo EAD has been mediocre.

Mario1331

what words in the sentence "all time" dont you get

Having a pretty mediocre generation is part of time....... or is it not?