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#1 Jodan77
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Simple yet effecitve. The forum sig is always noticed.

Sorry guys, but I was suspended for 2 days when it should of been 1.

As of posting, there is over 19,000 Members and counting in the L4D2 Boycott Group.

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Valve knows that people are angry, and are in full damage control. Even Gabe had Doubts before the sequel was announced


So the team brought their concepts and ideas to create a sequel to Gabe Newell, and even he was skeptical about the idea. According to Faliszek, he expressed his doubts, and claimed this move was against the character of the company. "To Gabe's credit, and he's a great guy to work for, he said if this is what you want to do, if this is what you're excited about, go do it."


So great, Gabe gave the greenlight, even though he suspected it was against the Valve philosophy. No word on how he feels now, but I'm sure he'll show a happy face to the public to get them to go along with it. Even some media outlets at E3 are failed to be impressed.

Voodoo Extreme says Sure, there are updates to the Director and the game system. In fact there is a long list of additions and tweaks, but when you sit down and start playing, it really just feels like Left 4 Dead v1.5. The gameplay felt viscerally the same, you run to avoid zombies and slaughter them in masse. It's fun, but not revolutionary. Melee weapons are added, but let's be honest - shouldn't have that been in the first iteration of a zombie game?

Destructoid had this to say. ...And yet, it still felt like I was playing a slightly tweaked version of the first game. I was hanging out with new characters, in a new environment, with a few new weapons and special infected and a new type of crescendo event, but...it still felt almost exactly like the first game, up until those last few moments. My strategies didn't change significantly, nor did the emotions I felt while playing the game. I'm all for new maps and everything, but what little I saw at this E3 playthrough didn't feel like enough to warrant Left 4 Dead 2's sequel status. I'll be interested to see what other new things the game will offer in the coming months before its slated November release, but I just don't feel all that thrilled for Left 4 Dead 2 just yet. It's fun, exciting, and tense, sure -- but it's all of those things in almost the exact same way the first game was.

Owen Good from Kotaku Says...

That's about as down-the-middle as I can play it, because I do respect Valve's perfect right to do what it wishes with its own IP, and anyone in the industry would agree the success of L4D fairly demands a sequel. But doing it so soon, and in this form and context, one of the most respected and evangelized brands in gaming risks taking a dent to its reputation. The game we see in November must be night-and-day different from the original, and I don't mean new maps set in the New Orleans sunshine.

People are crying that they didn't recieve what was "promised" for L4D? Links to these promises?.cainetao11


Originally Posted by Gabe Newell
A lot of the value of a game like Left 4 Dead or a game like Team Fortress 2 is the community around it, since those are the people that you get to play with, and that's where you're deriving a lot of your enjoyment. So we're taking the same approach that we've taken with Team Fortress 2, and doing that for Left 4 Dead.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/turtle-rock-project/902345p3.html Source Gamespy

1UP: This seems like a game that would lend itself well to your ****of episodic-content delivery. Is that something you have planned for the Xbox 360 and PC versions of Left 4 Dead?

GN: Yes. It really feels like we're in this transition between entertainment as this packaged-goods phenomenon and entertainment as an ongoing service. TF2 is our product that's furthest along down this path -- we've been doing these updates every four to six weeks where we release new maps, new Achievements, new unlockables, new weapons, the movies like "Meet The Sniper," and so on. The response has been very strong. Each time we've done it, our multiplayer numbers and our sales have gone up by about 20 percent. So it's a way of growing an audience and developing an audience -- having those regular releases and thinking more of yourself as providing ongoing content streams seems to work really well. We fully intend to do that with Left 4 Dead as well -- [make] movies about each of the characters and how they came together as a team; what happened with the world when everything became Infected; and release new characters, new weapons, new campaigns -- and just view it as an ongoing audience-development content stream.


Epic Fail Incoming? I hope so. It's the only way Valve will learn.

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#2 _Verm
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valve has been milking its fanbase for the last couple of years now.
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valve has been milking its fanbase for the last couple of years now._Verm
yeah, the orange box offered very little in terms of value :roll:

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#6 BioShockOwnz
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I don't agree with it, but I doubt Valve would put it out this year if it weren't complete and didn't feel great to play. It should be $20-$30, though.

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#7 Jodan77
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[QUOTE="_Verm"]valve has been milking its fanbase for the last couple of years now.anshul89

yeah, the orange box offered very little in terms of value :roll:

I have to agree. It's only now that Valve is heading down a very bad route.

Respect to Gabe for at least having a brain.

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[QUOTE="_Verm"]valve has been milking its fanbase for the last couple of years now.anshul89

yeah, the orange box offered very little in terms of value :roll:

Ptchaa there was only 5 games, and 2 of them were old! :P I don't see point of complaining. Or how they "betrayed" gamers. They are still making Half Life Ep. 3. Left 4 Dead 2 looks alright though.
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#9 Xalaten
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I think every long time PC gamer knew this was going to be the direction Valve would eventually take once they started making games for consoles. ...and that's not a console hater talking. I own a gaming PC, PS3 and 360 (PS3 my current favorite).
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#10 xscott1018
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i know also other companies do this with their games. i found that funny i just thought it was gamers that thought about the boycott for the game.
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#11 MADVLAD123
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Too much complaining. Jesus. Valve makes great games, no matter when they release them. Thankfully I never picked up L4D originally so I will be picking this one up since it also has the first one.

Stop crying.

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#12 MasterC5
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Wow, I honestly doubt that valve will screw this up why don't you guys have a little faith? I mean wait for more info before you break into fits of rage.

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#13 mdisen2
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This is stupid, kind of like the Blizzard boycott after that Starcraft 2 announcement.

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Too much complaining. Jesus. Valve makes great games, no matter when they release them. Thankfully I never picked up L4D originally so I will be picking this one up since it also has the first one.

Stop crying.

MADVLAD123
It doesn't have the first. If you have the first, the second game will include both.
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#15 Lethalhazard
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Wow, I honestly doubt that valve will screw this up why don't you guys have a little faith? I mean wait for more info before you break into fits of rage.

MasterC5
Considering people bought the original at full price, they deserve to QQ. This content should have been in the first game and more for that kind of pricetag.
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This is getting pathetic, OMG releasing 2 games in a year, how dare they. Shut up about, loads of companies do it, it's really starting to anger me having to listen to this, making out like they are they only company to do it, or they've betrayed you, it's just sad.
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This is getting pathetic, OMG releasing 2 games in a year, how dare they. Shut up about, loads of companies do it, it's really starting to anger me having to listen to this, making out like they are they only company to do it, or they've betrayed you, it's just sad.bobbetybob
Yeah, they're just crying like children. If they knew anything they'd change their minds (Like I did).
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#18 MADVLAD123
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[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]

Too much complaining. Jesus. Valve makes great games, no matter when they release them. Thankfully I never picked up L4D originally so I will be picking this one up since it also has the first one.

Stop crying.

aaronmullan

It doesn't have the first. If you have the first, the second game will include both.

I'm sure there will be a bundle released at stores.

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#19 aaronmullan
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]

Too much complaining. Jesus. Valve makes great games, no matter when they release them. Thankfully I never picked up L4D originally so I will be picking this one up since it also has the first one.

Stop crying.

MADVLAD123

It doesn't have the first. If you have the first, the second game will include both.

I'm sure there will be a bundle released at stores.

Yep. Probably a bit cheaper too.
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All this crying and outrage over Left4Dead2 is extremely silly imo.
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#21 Marka1700
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All this crying and outrage over Left4Dead2 is extremely silly imo.kozzy1234
Don't worry, These things never achieve anything. If Valve just sweeped it under the rug and never did anything withit again there would be complainingas well. You can't ever win.

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Wait wait wait. they're releasing a sequel, with little added?

You mean like ... most sequels? If this were announced at the next e3 in the exact same state no one would complain.

To please the gamers (The few, and i mean FEW who care) Valve should just release it as a standalone expansion, and as DLC. For a budget price.

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#23 II_Seraphim_II
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I like Valve but I sorta got annoyed with them when they started the Half- Life Episodic content. I just would rather they spend their time working on Source Engine 3 and HL3.
This is getting pathetic, OMG releasing 2 games in a year, how dare they. Shut up about, loads of companies do it, it's really starting to anger me having to listen to this, making out like they are they only company to do it, or they've betrayed you, it's just sad.bobbetybob
Thats a flawed way of thinking. Thats like saying "Lots of people commit murder, so its ok for me to do it too!" Just because lots of companies do it, doesn't mean its good. And its not the whole "releasing 2 games in 1 year" biz. Insomniac releases game after game each year non stop and people generally don't complain, you know why? Because they switch it up. If EA brought out a guitar hero this year, then a DJ hero next year, it wouldnt be as bad as yearly guitar heroes. Same applies here. If Valve had announced HL3 or HL2 - Ep3, no one would complain, but throwing out a sequel to a game that just came out? And say what you will, but whenever a sequel comes out, the previous game gets less and less support. And these articles detail exactly why people are annoyed. Releasing a sequel so fast usually means that the game will be subpar, or not that big a jump, and thats what people have a problem with.
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This is getting pathetic, OMG releasing 2 games in a year, how dare they. Shut up about, loads of companies do it, it's really starting to anger me having to listen to this, making out like they are they only company to do it, or they've betrayed you, it's just sad.bobbetybob
then don't read it, it is system wars people post stupid crap all the time.

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Wait wait wait. they're releasing a sequel, with little added?

You mean like ... most sequels? If this were announced at the next e3 in the exact same state no one would complain.

To please the gamers (The few, and i mean FEW who care) Valve should just release it as a standalone expansion, and as DLC. For a budget price.

-Snooze-
Little added? 5 campaigns (all versus) Survivor mode maps. New infected, all new survivors. AI Director 2.0 N
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Just a bunch of fanboy noise akin to the boo-hoo-hoo-ing with Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. Even Halo 3 got the "OMG! Halo 2.5!" business from a vocal minority.

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#27 MasterC5
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[QUOTE="MasterC5"]

Wow, I honestly doubt that valve will screw this up why don't you guys have a little faith? I mean wait for more info before you break into fits of rage.

Lethalhazard

Considering people bought the original at full price, they deserve to QQ. This content should have been in the first game and more for that kind of pricetag.

I have a feeling that they can't afford to release this as a free update.

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#28 Cyberfairy
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Meh I don't care. Valve is a great developer and they made a sequel to a good game. So what? Most sequels barely change. I don't see people complaining about Gears 2 for being almost identical to the first one.

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Why wont Valve just release HL2: Episode 3 instead of this the L4D sequel and put L4D2 out next year?
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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Wait wait wait. they're releasing a sequel, with little added?

You mean like ... most sequels? If this were announced at the next e3 in the exact same state no one would complain.

To please the gamers (The few, and i mean FEW who care) Valve should just release it as a standalone expansion, and as DLC. For a budget price.

aaronmullan

Little added? 5 campaigns (all versus) Survivor mode maps. New infected, all new survivors. AI Director 2.0 N

....and dismemberment like the kind seen in Dead Space, as well as melee weapons that are more than the shove mechanic.

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#31 shawn7324
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The game looks good, but I'll still rely on the used market or even rental to get my taste. Too many other games more worthy and/or possibly worth of a full price purchase.

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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Wait wait wait. they're releasing a sequel, with little added?

You mean like ... most sequels? If this were announced at the next e3 in the exact same state no one would complain.

To please the gamers (The few, and i mean FEW who care) Valve should just release it as a standalone expansion, and as DLC. For a budget price.

aaronmullan
Little added? 5 campaigns (all versus) Survivor mode maps. New infected, all new survivors. AI Director 2.0 N

So this ought to be a lot? Oh it has Versus and Survival, two game modes that are already in the first game, and 5 campaigns that's like 1 more than L4D!
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Wait wait wait. they're releasing a sequel, with little added?

You mean like ... most sequels? If this were announced at the next e3 in the exact same state no one would complain.

To please the gamers (The few, and i mean FEW who care) Valve should just release it as a standalone expansion, and as DLC. For a budget price.

VoodooHak

Little added? 5 campaigns (all versus) Survivor mode maps. New infected, all new survivors. AI Director 2.0 N

....and dismemberment like the kind seen in Dead Space, as well as melee weapons that are more than the shove mechanic.

I somehow forgot about those :P
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Gabe's a nice guy. I'm sure both sides with work something out before November.
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#35 aaronmullan
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Wait wait wait. they're releasing a sequel, with little added?

You mean like ... most sequels? If this were announced at the next e3 in the exact same state no one would complain.

To please the gamers (The few, and i mean FEW who care) Valve should just release it as a standalone expansion, and as DLC. For a budget price.

Dystopian-X
Little added? 5 campaigns (all versus) Survivor mode maps. New infected, all new survivors. AI Director 2.0 N

So this ought to be a lot? Oh it has Versus and Survival, two game modes that are already in the first game, and 5 campaigns that's like 1 more than L4D!

Well, it has double the stuff L4D had at release.
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You know if this wasn't released at full price then I doubt that the uproar would be as big as it is now, but that's not the case. It's just the fact that they're releasing a sequel in which the content could have easily been implanted onto the original as DLC. They could have charged for the DLC and it would have been very reasonable and logical. But instead you're getting a sequel at full price in which both that and the original game doesn't even carry half of the content TF2 has and that game is being sold at 20 farking dollars. Consumers are being ripped-off, offering less for your buck and because it's Valve, it's okay to be ripped off well because "it's teh Valve". Give me a break.
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#37 Burnsmiesta
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This is sad. I honestly can't believe how childish some people are being about this. If you don't want it and feel its too much like the first: 1) Don't buy it and 2) Keep playing the first.

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This is just silly. C'mon.
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Little added? 5 campaigns (all versus) Survivor mode maps. New infected, all new survivors. AI Director 2.0 Naaronmullan

....and dismemberment like the kind seen in Dead Space, as well as melee weapons that are more than the shove mechanic.

I somehow forgot about those :P

Hey, i'm all for the sequel. The first game was brilliant, i didn't buy it though. I'm just agreeing with all the haters, to make a point. Fee sequels expand much on the orginal. They just copy paste the game onto a new story, and add a couple new weapons. No different with L4D, yet people are complaining.
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#40 finalfantasy94
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Seeing how the company is this seems pretty dumb on thier part. I mean a 60 dollar DLC. Thats what L4D 2 basicly is unless they add a ton and I mean a ton of contant then it shouldint be that much period. It seemed like L4d didint get any support at all from vaulve. I think it was just 2 more modes and thats it.

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#41 FerdMertz
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Why wont Valve just release HL2: Episode 3 instead of this the L4D sequel and put L4D2 out next year?clubsammich91
At least this guy is being honest. Jeez TC, three straight days of Left 4 Dead 2 bashing............I don't care if you are the one that took the time to cook up the impressive L4D hype thread last year, I see now that it had nothing to do L4D and everything to do with being a hardcore Valve fanboy. Why don't you just accept that Valve doesn't have anything to say or show about Half Life at this point in time and move on. Would you be carrying on endlessly if Valve annouced they would be releasing a new Half Life episode every year for three years straight? I bet not. In regards to the morals behind the whole thing, I thank Valve. I consider it fan service. You can call me a milked console fanboy all you want but I get sick of a great game coming out and then having to wait 2+ years for a sequel (see Dead Rising). If you hermits are soo sick of all the great PC developers moving to consoles and that business format maybe you all should have thought about that when you guys were pirating all those games.
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#42 Mercenary848
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I don't see why people are so angry, you are getting a new game yay.

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#43 princeofshapeir
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So it's a sequel that isn't that different to the first game, and you're organizing a boycott to stop it. /facepalm
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#44 shadow_hosi
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yeah. look at ALL THE CRYING ABOUT THIS but when CoD has been released yearly for the last 5 years everyone is happy about it hypocrites
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#45 Pandajerk29
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yeah. look at ALL THE CRYING ABOUT THIS but when CoD has been released yearly for the last 5 years everyone is happy about it hypocritesshadow_hosi
who cares about COD, the thing is that valve has never milked anyone until now.

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#46 princeofshapeir
Member since 2006 • 16652 Posts

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]yeah. look at ALL THE CRYING ABOUT THIS but when CoD has been released yearly for the last 5 years everyone is happy about it hypocritesPandajerk29

who cares about COD, the thing is that valve has never milked anyone until now.

*cough* Half-Life 2: Episode 1 and 2, Counter-Strike Source, Half-Life Source *cough*
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#47 Kicker_of_Cans
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[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]yeah. look at ALL THE CRYING ABOUT THIS but when CoD has been released yearly for the last 5 years everyone is happy about it hypocrites

There were a lot of people who complained about CoD being released yearly, including me. This still doesn't justify the price tag for a half a sequel with L4D 2.
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#48 -Snooze-
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[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]yeah. look at ALL THE CRYING ABOUT THIS but when CoD has been released yearly for the last 5 years everyone is happy about it hypocritesPandajerk29

who cares about COD, the thing is that valve has never milked anyone until now.

Since when was miling a bad thing? Cows enjoy it, everyone loves milk. It's good for you, and the added calcium goes along way to developing strong bones.
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#49 -Snooze-
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[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]yeah. look at ALL THE CRYING ABOUT THIS but when CoD has been released yearly for the last 5 years everyone is happy about it hypocritesKicker_of_Cans
There were a lot of people who complained about CoD being released yearly, including me. This still doesn't justify the price tag for a half a sequel with L4D 2.

Don't buy it then. Those who think it's worth it will buy it. Simple. You don't see me complaing to Ferrari that they, MADE me buy a new Ferrari with a cupholder, as apposed to my older cupholderless model
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#50 foxhound_fox
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If it was truly VALVe at the helm, this would have been free DLC.