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I just wish they could make HL games at the same speed as L4D...

And it's funny how no-one says anything about CoD when it's now following the same 'release one every year with minor gameplay improvements' strategy.

angelkimne

That's because people don't expect Infinity ward or treyarch to release huge free stuff.

However, people have extremely high expectations of Valve since they have a history of releasing awesome stuff for free.

I have to laugh at you folks complaining about L4D2. It is double the game L4D was (and I put more hours into that than any other game this year), so I'm sure we're going to get double the play time. God damn you're all a bunch of whiners. Nothing you do is going to change anything either.aaronmullan

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]I have to laugh at you folks complaining about L4D2. It is double the game L4D was (and I put more hours into that than any other game this year), so I'm sure we're going to get double the play time. God damn you're all a bunch of whiners. Nothing you do is going to change anything either.Xire_XII

i never said it couldent be an expantion. i just said they did way to much work in one year with all this content. rewriting so much code and makign so much new code. they they cant just give it away and expect to stay in businessshadow_hosi

Then all that work could have been put into some nice upgrades for L4D instead of pushing this sequel, they would have saved a lot of trouble and pleaed the L4D consumers at the same time. Unless they indeed just wanted to charge for a new game after all.

So now Microsoft is releasing slightly improved versions of their games and pricing them as they were the new s***. Where have I seen this before? Oh yea, Windows systems...Odrec

So now Microsoft is releasing slightly improved versions of their games and pricing them as they were the new s***. Where have I seen this before? Oh yea, Windows systems...Odrec

That's actually some good info in the interview, and I can see (kind of) why they wanted to push for a sequel, but on the other hand, Gabe should've gone with his gut instinct. Ok there is dismemberment, melee weapons, new special zombies, and I understand that those would most likely require a full game.

With the new features, I'm still thinking.. so? They should still be making more campaigns or something interesting for the first game. Take those ideas for the second one and nest them. Because the team wanted to make some improvements and additions to the original game is no reason to force a sequel already. What happens when L4D2 is released and there was some last-minute stuff that didn't make it? Say hello to L4D3 in 2010 maybe :)

i got the orange box to finnaly see how great they really are...since my expeirience with half life and half life 2 was a booring one i gave it a second chance...never gonna do that again.

SO i could not care less with what they do next i do not find their games amusing

People are crying that they didn't recieve what was "promised" for L4D? Links to these promises?.cainetao11

Originally Posted by Gabe Newell
A lot of the value of a game like Left 4 Dead or a game like Team Fortress 2 is the community around it, since those are the people that you get to play with, and that's where you're deriving a lot of your enjoyment. So we're taking the same approach that we've taken with Team Fortress 2, and doing that for Left 4 Dead.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/turtle-rock-project/902345p3.html Source Gamespy

Originally Posted by Gabe Newell
We fully intend to do that with Left 4 Dead as well -- [make] movies about each of the characters and how they came together as a team; what happened with the world when everything became Infected; [and] release new characters, new weapons, new campaigns -- and just view it as an ongoing audience-development content stream.

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3170080 Source 1UP

Originally Posted by Gabe Newell

We fully intend to do that with Left 4 Dead as well -- [make] movies about each of the characters and how they came together as a team; what happened with the world when everything became Infected; [and] release new characters, new weapons, new campaigns -- and just view it as an ongoing audience-development content stream.Jodan77

i dont see the word free anywhere there..... guess you just killed your own agrument

That's actually some good info in the interview, and I can see (kind of) why they wanted to push for a sequel, but on the other hand, Gabe should've gone with his gut instinct. Ok there is dismemberment, melee weapons, new special zombies, and I understand that those would most likely require a full game.

With the new features, I'm still thinking.. so? They should still be making more campaigns or something interesting for the first game. Take those ideas for the second one and nest them. Because the team wanted to make some improvements and additions to the original game is no reason to force a sequel already. What happens when L4D2 is released and there was some last-minute stuff that didn't make it? Say hello to L4D3 in 2010 maybe :)

MyopicCanadian

I'll give you a break since I couldn't sticky the link.

1UP: This seems like a game that would lend itself well to your style of episodic-content delivery. Is that something you have planned for the Xbox 360 and PC versions of Left 4 Dead?

GN: Yes. It really feels like we're in this transition between entertainment as this packaged-goods phenomenon and entertainment as an ongoing service. TF2 is our product that's furthest along down this path -- we've been doing these updates every four to six weeks where we release new maps, new Achievements, new unlockables, new weapons, the movies like "Meet The Sniper," and so on. The response has been very strong. Each time we've done it, our multiplayer numbers and our sales have gone up by about 20 percent.So it's a way of growing an audience and developing an audience -- having those regular releases and thinking more of yourself as providing ongoing content streams seems to work really well.We fully intend to do that with Left 4 Dead as well -- [make] movies about each of the characters and how they came together as a team; what happened with the world when everything became Infected; and release new characters, new weapons, new campaigns -- and just view it as an ongoing audience-development content stream.

people need to get lives

I'll give you a break since I couldn't sticky the link.

1UP: This seems like a game that would lend itself well to your style of episodic-content delivery. Is that something you have planned for the Xbox 360 and PC versions of Left 4 Dead?

GN: Yes. It really feels like we're in this transition between entertainment as this packaged-goods phenomenon and entertainment as an ongoing service. TF2 is our product that's furthest along down this path -- we've been doing these updates every four to six weeks where we release new maps, new Achievements, new unlockables, new weapons, the movies like "Meet The Sniper," and so on. The response has been very strong. Each time we've done it, our multiplayer numbers and our sales have gone up by about 20 percent. So it's a way of growing an audience and developing an audience -- having those regular releases and thinking more of yourself as providing ongoing content streams seems to work really well. We fully intend to do that with Left 4 Dead as well -- [make] movies about each of the characters and how they came together as a team; what happened with the world when everything became Infected; and release new characters, new weapons, new campaigns -- and just view it as an ongoing audience-development content stream.Jodan77

where is the word free there? i have yet to see it once in that whole comment

people need to get lives

kemar7856

My god. I guess Valve gets a free ride to competely go back on their word, either because

1. Everyone is too much of a Valve Fanboy to admit they've done wrong
2. Everyone enjoys being milked (Makes the most Sense)
3. Since Valve is a company, they can get away with blatant lies

Also they said it was free when they said the first game would follow the TF2; and the whole games becoming a service.

Nowhere in any interview I've seen did Valve say they were planning on making a sequel.

My god. I guess Valve gets a free ride to competely go back on their word, either because

1. Everyone is too much of a Valve Fanboy to admit they've done wrong
2. Everyone enjoys being milked (Makes the most Sense)
3. Since Valve is a company, they can get away with blatant lies

Also they said it was free when they said the first game would follow the TF2; and the whole games becoming a service.

Nowhere in any interview I've seen did Valve say they were planning on making a sequel.

Jodan77

My god. I guess Valve gets a free ride to competely go back on their word, either because

1. Everyone is too much of a Valve Fanboy to admit they've done wrong
2. Everyone enjoys being milked (Makes the most Sense)
3. Since Valve is a company, they can get away with blatant lies

Also they said it was free when they said the first game would follow the TF2; and the whole games becoming a service.

Nowhere in any interview I've seen did Valve say they were planning on making a sequel.

Jodan77

Ah boo hoo. Stop whining. If you dont like it, then do buy it. simple.

[QUOTE="Jodan77"]

My god. I guess Valve gets a free ride to competely go back on their word, either because

1. Everyone is too much of a Valve Fanboy to admit they've done wrong
2. Everyone enjoys being milked (Makes the most Sense)
3. Since Valve is a company, they can get away with blatant lies

Also they said it was free when they said the first game would follow the TF2; and the whole games becoming a service.

Nowhere in any interview I've seen did Valve say they were planning on making a sequel.

aaronmullan

No one would interpret that article and think anything other than them releasing the content for fee. Especially when...

1. They compare it to Team Fortress 2
2. It's Valve, who prior to this point never released sequels to anything in less than a year just to milk a fanbase.

I'll pay for the new content, but I'm not going to if they release it as a full priced sequel. It's **** and I expect better out of Valve.

I'll give you a break since I couldn't sticky the link.

1UP: This seems like a game that would lend itself well to your style of episodic-content delivery. Is that something you have planned for the Xbox 360 and PC versions of Left 4 Dead?

GN: Yes. It really feels like we're in this transition between entertainment as this packaged-goods phenomenon and entertainment as an ongoing service. TF2 is our product that's furthest along down this path -- we've been doing these updates every four to six weeks where we release new maps, new Achievements, new unlockables, new weapons, the movies like "Meet The Sniper," and so on. The response has been very strong. Each time we've done it, our multiplayer numbers and our sales have gone up by about 20 percent.So it's a way of growing an audience and developing an audience -- having those regular releases and thinking more of yourself as providing ongoing content streams seems to work really well.We fully intend to do that with Left 4 Dead as well -- make movies about each of the characters and how they came together as a team; what happened with the world when everything became Infected; and release new characters, new weapons, new campaigns -- and just view it as an ongoing audience-development content stream.

Jodan77

Ok, now post where theve said tehre not supporting L4D anymore...ya good luck with that.

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="Jodan77"]

My god. I guess Valve gets a free ride to competely go back on their word, either because

1. Everyone is too much of a Valve Fanboy to admit they've done wrong
2. Everyone enjoys being milked (Makes the most Sense)
3. Since Valve is a company, they can get away with blatant lies

Also they said it was free when they said the first game would follow the TF2; and the whole games becoming a service.

Nowhere in any interview I've seen did Valve say they were planning on making a sequel.

Jodan77

No one would interpret that article and think anything other than them releasing the content for fee. Especially when...

1. They compare it to Team Fortress 2
2. It's Valve, who prior to this point never released sequels to anything in less than a year just to milk a fanbase.

I'll pay for the new content, but I'm not going to if they release it as a full priced sequel. It's **** and I expect better out of Valve.

[QUOTE="Jodan77"]

I'll give you a break since I couldn't sticky the link.

1UP: This seems like a game that would lend itself well to your style of episodic-content delivery. Is that something you have planned for the Xbox 360 and PC versions of Left 4 Dead?

GN: Yes. It really feels like we're in this transition between entertainment as this packaged-goods phenomenon and entertainment as an ongoing service. TF2 is our product that's furthest along down this path -- we've been doing these updates every four to six weeks where we release new maps, new Achievements, new unlockables, new weapons, the movies like "Meet The Sniper," and so on. The response has been very strong. Each time we've done it, our multiplayer numbers and our sales have gone up by about 20 percent.So it's a way of growing an audience and developing an audience -- having those regular releases and thinking more of yourself as providing ongoing content streams seems to work really well.We fully intend to do that with Left 4 Dead as well -- make movies about each of the characters and how they came together as a team; what happened with the world when everything became Infected; and release new characters, new weapons, new campaigns -- and just view it as an ongoing audience-development content stream.

warmaster670

Ok, now post where theve said tehre not supporting L4D anymore...ya good luck with that.

L4D2 will be a day one purchase for me. You guys keep whining about itand I along with millions of others will be enjoying the game. Heck, I hope they come out with L4D3 in 2010. That's the problem with some pc gamers, they only want to buy one game every 10 years, and expect the devs to give away everything for free. With all that Valve has done in the past you should be happy to buy it. Maybe they will get wise and focus more on the consoles the next time around.

[QUOTE="Jodan77"]

I'll give you a break since I couldn't sticky the link.

1UP: This seems like a game that would lend itself well to your style of episodic-content delivery. Is that something you have planned for the Xbox 360 and PC versions of Left 4 Dead?

GN: Yes. It really feels like we're in this transition between entertainment as this packaged-goods phenomenon and entertainment as an ongoing service. TF2 is our product that's furthest along down this path -- we've been doing these updates every four to six weeks where we release new maps, new Achievements, new unlockables, new weapons, the movies like "Meet The Sniper," and so on. The response has been very strong. Each time we've done it, our multiplayer numbers and our sales have gone up by about 20 percent.So it's a way of growing an audience and developing an audience -- having those regular releases and thinking more of yourself as providing ongoing content streams seems to work really well.We fully intend to do that with Left 4 Dead as well -- make movies about each of the characters and how they came together as a team; what happened with the world when everything became Infected; and release new characters, new weapons, new campaigns -- and just view it as an ongoing audience-development content stream.

warmaster670

Ok, now post where theve said tehre not supporting L4D anymore...ya good luck with that.

When I see it, I'll know I'm wrong. As of now, Valve has no plans for Left 4 Dead 1. But I'm sure they'll going to try and pull the wool over the eyes of skeptics and release some rejected content for Left 4 Dead 1 just so they can say how great they are.

everyone should join the boycott the l4d2 boycott group! together we can prove a point by ignoring this stupid boycott and buying a great game and have fun playing it shadow_hosi

Oh so you want to fight huh?

You can't beat our E-Peen, it's over 9,000 :D

While we may disagree, I hope you're not taking anything personally.

I can't believe that the TC is still so adamant about this topic. Jordan I looked at your profile. It is obvious that you put a good amount of time into L4D. It is probably safe to say that you got your moneys worth. You really need to take a deep breath and look at this sequel in a different light. You will be getting more content in L4D2 than the original, and there are a lot of significant changes.

You cannot expect everything to be handed to you for free, I don't care what company it is from. I find all this backlash from Valve fanboys ridiculous anyways. We all know you guys are going to cave in and buy the game when it is released.

I can't believe that the TC is still so adamant about this topic. Jordan I looked at your profile. It is obvious that you put a good amount of time into L4D. It is probably safe to say that you got your moneys worth. You really need to take a deep breath and look at this sequel in a different light. You will be getting more content in L4D2 than the original, and there are a lot of significant changes.

You cannot expect everything to be handed to you for free, I don't care what company it is from. I find all this backlash from Valve fanboys ridiculous anyways. We all know you guys are going to cave in and buy the game when it releases anyway.

HolyHandGrenad3

[QUOTE="HolyHandGrenad3"]

I can't believe that the TC is still so adamant about this topic. Jordan I looked at your profile. It is obvious that you put a good amount of time into L4D. It is probably safe to say that you got your moneys worth. You really need to take a deep breath and look at this sequel in a different light. You will be getting more content in L4D2 than the original, and there are a lot of significant changes.

You cannot expect everything to be handed to you for free, I don't care what company it is from. I find all this backlash from Valve fanboys ridiculous anyways. We all know you guys are going to cave in and buy the game when it releases anyway.

shadow_hosi

I want what was promised to the community.

Anyway if Left 4 Dead 2 was resonably priced, I would gladly buy it.

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="HolyHandGrenad3"]

I can't believe that the TC is still so adamant about this topic. Jordan I looked at your profile. It is obvious that you put a good amount of time into L4D. It is probably safe to say that you got your moneys worth. You really need to take a deep breath and look at this sequel in a different light. You will be getting more content in L4D2 than the original, and there are a lot of significant changes.

You cannot expect everything to be handed to you for free, I don't care what company it is from. I find all this backlash from Valve fanboys ridiculous anyways. We all know you guys are going to cave in and buy the game when it releases anyway.

I want what was promised to the community.

Anyway if Left 4 Dead 2 was resonably priced, I would gladly buy it.

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

Ok, now post where theve said tehre not supporting L4D anymore...ya good luck with that.

Jodan77

When I see it, I'll know I'm wrong. As of now, Valve has no plans for Left 4 Dead 1. But I'm sure they'll going to try and pull the wool over the eyes of skeptics and release some rejected content for Left 4 Dead 1 just so they can say how great they are.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/06/04/valve-on-l4d2-trust-us-a-little-bit/

RPS: So is there any chance of new content like new maps and new campaigns in the original L4D?

DL: Yeah, there's certainly a chance of that, and we're not announcing any of the specifics of that today. Like I say, stay tuned, there's more coming, there's more information we're going to talk about for the sequel, there's more content coming for Left 4 Dead in the fairly near term, that I think will sort of add to this picture and hopefully change some people's opinions of what's happening right now.

RPS

[QUOTE="HolyHandGrenad3"]

I can't believe that the TC is still so adamant about this topic. Jordan I looked at your profile. It is obvious that you put a good amount of time into L4D. It is probably safe to say that you got your moneys worth. You really need to take a deep breath and look at this sequel in a different light. You will be getting more content in L4D2 than the original, and there are a lot of significant changes.

You cannot expect everything to be handed to you for free, I don't care what company it is from. I find all this backlash from Valve fanboys ridiculous anyways. We all know you guys are going to cave in and buy the game when it releases anyway.

shadow_hosi

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]everyone should join the boycott the l4d2 boycott group! together we can prove a point by ignoring this stupid boycott and buying a great game and have fun playing it Jodan77

Oh so you want to fight huh?

You can't beat our E-Peen, it's over 9,000 :D

While we may disagree, I hope you're not taking anything personally.

you mean 9,000 children right?

LOL! IGN has a poll for Left 4 Dead 2 and 60% responded that they feel Valve is milking the community.

Have they announced that it will be full price? If they sell this for 30$ then I'm fine with that, it's basically a stand alone expansion. Valve does this allot, they sold TF2 standalone for 20$ even though it was as full featured as any game out there.

Have they announced that it will be full price? If they sell this for 30$ then I'm fine with that, it's basically a stand alone expansion. Valve does this allot, they sold TF2 standalone for 20$ even though it was as full featured as any game out there.

TOAO_Cyrus1

Valve intends to sell it full price. Doug Lombardi sais so in on eof the Shacknews interviews.