IGN- The Wii U Controller Needs Analog Sticks and Triggers

IGN: "The Wii U controller is, in some ways, more of a traditional controller than the Wii Remote. Its button layout is similar to the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 controllers, and Nintendo's own GameCube controller. The biggest difference from other contemporary controllers, besides the giant touch screen, is that the Wii U controller replaces dual analog sticks with dual circle pads, and analog triggers with regular buttons.

This lack of analog sticks on the Wii U controller is especially unusual since Nintendo popularized the analog stick themselves, deeming it the only way to control Mario in 3D space. The purpose of the circle pad on the 3DS is, ostensibly, to save space. It's unclear why the sticks fell out of ****on the Wii U controller, since there's plenty of space for sticks -- the thing is massive."

http://n4g.com/news/784823/ign-the-wii-u-controller-needs-analog-sticks-and-triggers/com

Totally agree, for shooters or hardcore games in general, we need proper analog sticks and not thumb circle pads..you just don't get that full control, IMO. and i would much prefer triggers instead of a typical button. Thoughts?

I don't know about the circle pads, but I really don't care about the triggers. I own a PS3, you know.funsohng

Agreed, I would rather have analog sticks more akin to the PS3 or 360 rather than what the Wii U has currently.

Funny, when someone says something like that here they're just called haters. The right stick needs to be under the buttons too not on top, and make it smaller.tomarlyn

Not everything needs "triggers." I much prefer actual buttons anyway. I like the KZ2/3 because they use the buttons instead of triggers for firing. What is so bad about "circle" pads anyway? Maybe they used them because analog sticks would be odd with a tablet-like device, due to how it grips. Analog sticks will never have the precision, speed, or control of mice anyway.

[QUOTE="funsohng"]I don't know about the circle pads, but I really don't care about the triggers. I own a PS3, you know.soapandbubbles

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Funny, when someone says something like that here they're just called haters. The right stick needs to be under the buttons too not on top, and make it smaller.soapandbubbles

Funny, when someone says something like that here they're just called haters. The right stick needs to be under the buttons too not on top, and make it smaller.tomarlyn

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Funny, when someone says something like that here they're just called haters. The right stick needs to be under the buttons too not on top, and make it smaller.KungfuKitten

i don't believe this thing doesn't have analog triggers... that is a HUGE disappointment- why would u omit that?

This has been my main concern after seeing the Wii U announced. Sweet, we're moving away from motion controls, but I don't want to have to control Link, or an FPS game, with those thumb-sticks, & especially don't want to use buttons instead of triggers for nearly all games (specifically shooters & racers). It seems like a really strange choice, considering the size of the controller.

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]

Totally agree, for shooters or hardcore games in general, we need proper analog sticks and not thumb circle pads..you just don't get that full control, IMO. and i would much prefer triggers instead of a typical button. Thoughts?

C_Rule

Wii & hardcore gaming? :lol:

I don't think make people will care about the buttons. I'm sure they'll be good enough to play Polly Pocket Land.:lol:

I think what nintendo wanted was a complete consistent square device..nothing on top that stick out and looks weird...but have it blend in nicely. Hence the design choice...but we don't stair at controller, we use them...so i would take the comfort-ability over how good it looks. Really hope Nintendo change this. soapandbubbles

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]

Totally agree, for shooters or hardcore games in general, we need proper analog sticks and not thumb circle pads..you just don't get that full control, IMO. and i would much prefer triggers instead of a typical button. Thoughts?

C_Rule

Wii & hardcore gaming? :lol:

I don't think make people will care about the buttons. I'm sure they'll be good enough to play Polly Pocket Land.:lol:

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]

[QUOTE="funsohng"]I don't know about the circle pads, but I really don't care about the triggers. I own a PS3, you know.funsohng

If the new Nintendo console caters to the more hardcore crowd, I'll eat a dusty pineapple.

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="soapandbubbles"] PS3 controller has triggers, just not your typical ones.

tomarlyn

the controller obviously is not for hardcore gamers.

Hardcore gamer's dont need an LCD screen. Few hardcore games offer the leeway to look at your lap during play, without getting shot 50 times in the face.

Also hardcore gamers often break or wear out controllers due to heavy use... and i imagine a wii-u controller is going to be expensive to replace.

the controller obviously is not for hardcore gamers.

Hardcore gamer's dont need an LCD screen. Few hardcore games offer the leeway to look at your lap during play, without getting shot 50 times in the face.

Also hardcore gamers often break or wear out controllers due to heavy use... and i imagine a wii-u controller is going to be expensive to replace.

SoBaus

Triggers are only important for racing games, but they are very important for them.

I don't get what a circle pad is, is it like the analog nub on the psp? If so, axe it and get a set of proper analog sticks, or go with those micro sticks from the Vita if space is an issue, which it doesn't appear to be.

As far as triggers, I'd rather see a set of more sensitive trigger/button combos like on the gamecube pad.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

the controller obviously is not for hardcore gamers.

Hardcore gamer's dont need an LCD screen. Few hardcore games offer the leeway to look at your lap during play, without getting shot 50 times in the face.

Also hardcore gamers often break or wear out controllers due to heavy use... and i imagine a wii-u controller is going to be expensive to replace.

funsohng

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

the controller obviously is not for hardcore gamers.

Hardcore gamer's dont need an LCD screen. Few hardcore games offer the leeway to look at your lap during play, without getting shot 50 times in the face.

Also hardcore gamers often break or wear out controllers due to heavy use... and i imagine a wii-u controller is going to be expensive to replace.

funsohng

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

the controller obviously is not for hardcore gamers.

Hardcore gamer's dont need an LCD screen. Few hardcore games offer the leeway to look at your lap during play, without getting shot 50 times in the face.

Also hardcore gamers often break or wear out controllers due to heavy use... and i imagine a wii-u controller is going to be expensive to replace.

soapandbubbles

Eh. Don't know whether to trust IGN on this one. Far too many times have I been cautious of IGN. Just earlier today I sawthis article stating these games are all coming out in 2011, when it was made clear at Nintendo's own presser that some of those were indeed, 2012 releases.

Sure, I could sit here and complain about my personal dislikes with button placement or what not, but in the end I don't care. After a week of using the controller, I'll get used to it. I'm also not going to be so quick to judge the design and call out the hardware designers and their choices after reading what one guy at IGN had to say about it. I'll wait to get my hands on it. I initially hated the PS3's triggers, but you get used to it. I hated the Wiimote at first, got used to it. Me thinks this will be the same situation.

This is almost as stupid as having kinect without buttons.

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"][QUOTE="funsohng"] In my earnest opinion, "hardcore" gamers shouldn't even dare think about using controllers when playing a shooter in first place.C_Rule

Not everything needs "triggers." I much prefer actual buttons anyway. I like the KZ2/3 because they use the buttons instead of triggers for firing. What is so bad about "circle" pads anyway? Maybe they used them because analog sticks would be odd with a tablet-like device, due to how it grips. Analog sticks will never have the precision, speed, or control of mice anyway.

ChubbyGuy40

what? Controllers..especially the 360's controller is made for FPS...the way the triggers mimic a gun in the way you pull it. and dual analogs give resistance and great control IMO..something a keyboard and mouse lacks due to over sensitivity...there is no weight/resistance like a controller. Can't stand moving and clicking a mouse for controls, IMO..to each there own. soapandbubbles

Even plastic guns have a better sense of a firearm's trigger than the 360 controller. A button is much better. You don't an analog device to measure how hard you pull the trigger. Its on or off. A button is much better at that.

Theres no weight or resistance? You don't want resistance. Thats why a controller will never beat out a KB/M. Mice are much faster, accurate, and have far more control. Thats really not up for debate. Need weight? Theres mice that let you add weights to them. I can see how one might prefer movement with an analog stick instead of a KB, but for aiming? No contest, mice win hands down.

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"] what? Controllers..especially the 360's controller is made for FPS...the way the triggers mimic a gun in the way you pull it. and dual analogs give resistance and great control IMO..something a keyboard and mouse lacks due to over sensitivity...there is no weight/resistance like a controller. Can't stand moving and clicking a mouse for controls, IMO..to each there own. soapandbubbles

As someone that has played both extensively, M/KB is easily superior to controller. I play PC shooters alot and would never dream of using a controller for PC fps.

But for consoles you cant use M/KB (without cheating) so the point is moot, hardcore consoles players use controllers for fps on consoles.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Not everything needs "triggers." I much prefer actual buttons anyway. I like the KZ2/3 because they use the buttons instead of triggers for firing. What is so bad about "circle" pads anyway? Maybe they used them because analog sticks would be odd with a tablet-like device, due to how it grips. Analog sticks will never have the precision, speed, or control of mice anyway.

DarkLink77

Teh future of FPS

I'll be long after I'm gone hopefully. Oh wait...singularity is supposed to happen in 2050. I'll be able to live forever :o DAMNIT! WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY FUTURE! Oh wait...we'll have VR by that time! AWWW YEAAAAAAH

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="soapandbubbles"] what? Controllers..especially the 360's controller is made for FPS...the way the triggers mimic a gun in the way you pull it. and dual analogs give resistance and great control IMO..something a keyboard and mouse lacks due to over sensitivity...there is no weight/resistance like a controller. Can't stand moving and clicking a mouse for controls, IMO..to each there own. soapandbubbles

Like a real weapon? Because it takes 5 seconds to make a 180 in real? Seriously dude, don't bother to devaluate the mouse when it comes to shooters. Only because you suck at it doesn't make it bad.

Triggers are only important for racing games, but they are very important for them.

I don't get what a circle pad is, is it like the analog nub on the psp? If so, axe it and get a set of proper analog sticks, or go with those micro sticks from the Vita if space is an issue, which it doesn't appear to be.

As far as triggers, I'd rather see a set of more sensitive trigger/button combos like on the gamecube pad.

Pug-Nasty

GT5 says hello.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Not everything needs "triggers." I much prefer actual buttons anyway. I like the KZ2/3 because they use the buttons instead of triggers for firing. What is so bad about "circle" pads anyway? Maybe they used them because analog sticks would be odd with a tablet-like device, due to how it grips. Analog sticks will never have the precision, speed, or control of mice anyway.

ChubbyGuy40

Teh future of FPS

I'll be long after I'm gone hopefully. Oh wait...singularity is supposed to happen in 2050. I'll be able to live forever :o DAMNIT! WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY FUTURE! Oh wait...we'll have VR by that time! AWWW YEAAAAAAH

what? Controllers..especially the 360's controller is made for FPS...the way the triggers mimic a gun in the way you pull it. and dual analogs give resistance and great control IMO..something a keyboard and mouse lacks due to over sensitivity...there is no weight/resistance like a controller. Can't stand moving and clicking a mouse for controls, IMO..to each there own. soapandbubbles

I've never used a quote in my sig, but damn, that's pretty funny.

Tempting...

I think it needs to not be shaped like a huge rectangle first...

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"] what? Controllers..especially the 360's controller is made for FPS...the way the triggers mimic a gun in the way you pull it. and dual analogs give resistance and great control IMO..something a keyboard and mouse lacks due to over sensitivity...there is no weight/resistance like a controller. Can't stand moving and clicking a mouse for controls, IMO..to each there own. ChubbyGuy40

Even plastic guns have a better sense of a firearm's trigger than the 360 controller. A button is much better. You don't an analog device to measure how hard you pull the trigger. Its on or off. A button is much better at that.

Theres no weight or resistance? You don't want resistance. Thats why a controller will never beat out a KB/M. Mice are much faster, accurate, and have far more control. Thats really not up for debate. Need weight? Theres mice that let you add weights to them. I can see how one might prefer movement with an analog stick instead of a KB, but for aiming? No contest, mice win hands down.

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"][QUOTE="funsohng"] Doesn't matter when aiming feels restricted. And mouse is just a lot faster. Isn't that the most important thing for "hardcore" gamers? I don't know about other people, but I will never be able to play arena shooters on analog sticks.edidili

Like a real weapon? Because it takes 5 seconds to make a 180 in real? Seriously dude, don't bother to devaluate the mouse when it comes to shooters. Only because you suck at it doesn't make it bad.

ill tell you right now, it takes a lot longer to do a 180 in real life than it does to move your wrist an inch... but its a stupid tangent in general, because video games are not real life.

I guess the most hardcore fps players join the military, if this is the path we are traveling down..