I'm I the only one that thinks Halo 4 is a step backwards?

Seriously, no one seems to care that firefight got axed, and replased by Spec-ops...oh my bad I meant Spartan Ops. Thats an entire game mode lots of people love just gone, and hell, it was the best thing out of ODST! Now we have this 8 gig mandatory install....why? What could they need 8 gigs for? Its ass, thats what it is. I hate the fact that the updates for BF3 takes like 2 gigs just to play the damn thing. So to even just use this out of the box I have to install it? Lets not even forget about alot of the questionable deisgn choices they are making for MP, because lets face it, they are taking HAlo, and mixing some CoD in there...thats not good.

/rant

But really though, I was more hyped for ODST then I am for this. I feel its taking a step backwards from Reach...or maybe a step in the wrong direction, idk thoughts?

I think it's exactly the kick up the arse the series needs.

I love all of the previous Halo but a new direction is sorely needed. I wasn't disappointed with Reach or anything, quite the opposite in fact, but a sequel that barely deviates from that would be pretty destructive to the franchise.

Im sick of Bungie Halo games, but this one does look different. I believe 343 will do it right, and make the best Halo game since CE.

I'm only getting it to see 343's take on the universe (campaign story), don't care about the MP at all so it doesnt effect me.

Halo anything is a step backwards. =PAllicrombie

ooh, this just got interesting

May as well call it CoDlo. 343 is definitely using that casual trashfest of a game as it's main influence rather than Halo 3/Reach.

Perks/Spec Ops/Loadouts/Forerunner Vision (seeing enemies through walls)/etc. makes me feel like Halo 4 is just CoD in space with high jumps

May as well call it CoDlo. 343 is definitely using that casual trashfest of a game as it's main influence rather than Halo 3/Reach.

Perks/Spec Ops/Loadouts/Forerunner Vision (seeing enemies through walls)/etc. makes me feel like Halo 4 is just CoD in space with high jumps

BPoole96

I don't mind that, from what I've seen so far. I'm not a big CoD player but it's quick and fluid and that could work well within a Halo game.

Stragegy and skill are still going to be the name of the game, but it's just going to be played at a faster pace.

Perks - don't know enough about them to care, yet.

Spec Ops - I like the idea of the episodic content but I can't imagine each individual mission will differ wildly from the last one.

Loadouts - Hopefully they will have a number of dedictaed playlists that play Classic Halo where everyone starts out on an even keel.

Forerunner vision - Stupid name, but I don't think it'll be OP. Apparently the disadvantages of using it balance out the obvious advantages. Then again, I'm one of those people who don't see Armour Lock as a major problem.

It's pretty blatant that they've borrowed a lot from CoD but I don't think it'll be the end of the Halo game as we know. It might just reviatlise the series to it's former glory.

But at the same time, I could totally hate everything new they're implementing and never touch a Halo game again.

Halo anything is a step backwards. =PAllicrombie

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

May as well call it CoDlo. 343 is definitely using that casual trashfest of a game as it's main influence rather than Halo 3/Reach.

Perks/Spec Ops/Loadouts/Forerunner Vision (seeing enemies through walls)/etc. makes me feel like Halo 4 is just CoD in space with high jumps

balfe1990

I don't mind that, from what I've seen so far. I'm not a big CoD player but it's quick and fluid and that could work well within a Halo game.

Stragegy and skill are still going to be the name of the game, but it's just going to be played at a faster pace.

Perks - don't know enough about them to care, yet.

Spec Ops - I like the idea of the episodic content but I can't imagine each individual mission will differ wildly from the last one.

Loadouts - Hopefully they will have a number of dedictaed playlists that play Classic Halo where everyone starts out on an even keel.

Forerunner vision - Stupid name, but I don't think it'll be OP. Apparently the disadvantages of using it balance out the obvious advantages. Then again, I'm one of those people who don't see Armour Lock as a major problem.

It's pretty blatant that they've borrowed a lot from CoD but I don't think it'll be the end of the Halo game as we know. It might just reviatlise the series to it's former glory.

But at the same time, I could totally hate everything new they're implementing and never touch a Halo game again.

I'm sure they wanted to try something new, but the FPS market is just so oversaturated that there isn't much room for innovation, espeically for a game like Halo that goes for mass appeal. They didn't want to make "just another Halo game", but copying CoD, like just about every other FPS dev these days, just seems lazy and uninspired. At least they seemed to keep the health system the same. If they made it a 2-3 bullets for a kill then that would just be absurd.

And perks/loadouts tend to lead to balancing issues, and ofr the most part, previous Halo games have been pretty balanced. I wouldn't want to see Halo turn into a broken ass experience the way CoD is

i like the change

NOW im going miss firefight. it is the only thing missing...

8gig download who cares... that just means more content, faster load speeds, better graphics. I am glad Microsoft is not letting this game and 343 suffer because of dvd limits.

loadouts is not full out like cod. where you get top choose everything. so i am fine. it's giving me little bit option what i want to take to the fight first

whats wrong with halo 4 looks? the

I'm sure they wanted to try something new, but the FPS market is just so oversaturated that there isn't much room for innovation, espeically for a game like Halo that goes for mass appeal. They didn't want to make "just another Halo game", but copying CoD, like just about every other FPS dev these days, just seems lazy and uninspired. At least they seemed to keep the health system the same. If they made it a 2-3 bullets for a kill then that would just be absurd.

BPoole96

I wouldn't call it lazy and uninspired. They know what works and what sells. MS have pretty much nothing without Halo.

They need to make their flagship game appeal to as many people as possible. Once people have bought an Xbox for that very reason, they can then proceed to gouge them with various unrelated fees and charges such as Gold etc. They need Halo to lure all the potential customers in, otherwise they're dead in the water.

But anyway, I think the series can definitely appeal to multiple markets without feeling too dumbed down, casual or whatever other (anti)buzzword is popular around here nowadays.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I'm sure they wanted to try something new, but the FPS market is just so oversaturated that there isn't much room for innovation, espeically for a game like Halo that goes for mass appeal. They didn't want to make "just another Halo game", but copying CoD, like just about every other FPS dev these days, just seems lazy and uninspired. At least they seemed to keep the health system the same. If they made it a 2-3 bullets for a kill then that would just be absurd.

balfe1990

But anyway, I think the series can definitely appeal to multiple markets without feeling too dumbed down, casual or whatever other (anti)buzzword is popular around here nowadays.

I've been using duMasses :P

Wait, people actually LIKE firefight? It's probably one of the most boring modes I've ever played. If I ever do firefight in reach it's just for daily/weekly challnges. Spartan Ops sounds like it will be similar to firefight; fighting off enemies from the campaign and all, with the added bonus of every playthrough being different since its episodic and goes through seasons and what not.

Basically spartan ops sounds like it will be similar to firefight, but might actually be fun and engaging.

as for the 8gb install part, I don't really care as I've bought a hard drive a while ago. I'm sure 343 has a reason for it, too. I don't think it's something they'd do just for sh*ts and giggles, but I dunno.

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I'm sure they wanted to try something new, but the FPS market is just so oversaturated that there isn't much room for innovation, espeically for a game like Halo that goes for mass appeal. They didn't want to make "just another Halo game", but copying CoD, like just about every other FPS dev these days, just seems lazy and uninspired. At least they seemed to keep the health system the same. If they made it a 2-3 bullets for a kill then that would just be absurd.

BPoole96

But anyway, I think the series can definitely appeal to multiple markets without feeling too dumbed down, casual or whatever other (anti)buzzword is popular around here nowadays.

I've been using duMasses :P

I suppose you could label me one of them so, it took a couple of seconds for that one to land with me:lol:

Nice one bro

Well according to the people that played it (IGN), they say it plays very similar to COD now. But we don't know for certain what it's like, none of us have played it ourselves yet. Maybe they might release a beta for it like they did with Reach?

I just hope the campaign isn't garbage like Reach and Halo 3 were, hopefully 343 will make it better. But I don't care if it's more like COD, I like COD, in fact I like it more than Halo, so it's a good thing if it's more like it to me.

I actually didn't know Firefight was axed. That's too bad.:(

Did they confirm it was removed? I'm fine with mission based co-op, but Firefight was fun. I mean, the campaign is already 4 player co-op, so I don't see the need for a separate set of co-op missions. I'm fine with it, but not if it replaces Firefight.

I'm just bored of all these game series continuing. I know they are good, and make money. But didn't we finish the fight? Nope, more Halo. Didn't Kratos kill everything? Yes, but let's look at previous killing! The Gears trilogy was complete and satisfying... but here's more. Snake had his final mission... except for his next one. Meh, just wish talented dev teams would make more new games, once they've made a few sequels. Look at Naughty Dog or Retro, people! Amazing game, make a couple sequels, then move on :)locopatho

Joke post ?

i agree, granted I think they took a step back with reach, the added armor abilities are... crap when looking at it from a competitive standpoint.

edit: I don't think needing 8gb is a step back, i think its consoels just showing their age finally, for w/e either they can't fit everythign on the disk and it needs to be downloaded or they need the disk for increased bandwidth

edit2: Yah it just became immediatly apparent 8gb is probably a lot of compressed data on a disc that 6.7gb

edit 3: so looking more into the MP, perks eeww, and ranomized weapon spawn (luck > map control) **** this game

I'm not worried. It will be a great game. It's just a question of how great it will be.

There is no worse a quality in gamers these days then crying about games that they haven't even played yet. At least give it five minutes of controller-in-your-hands before you have a rant about how terrible it is. Ninja-Hippo

Simply put I say no, and at this point I'm not as excited as I was for ODST or reach, or any of the others. Every new thing I hear about this and it just gets worse and worse. I eally hope I get proven wrong and its the best one, I really do. This is my favortie franchise and I would rather not see it die.

Did they confirm it was removed? I'm fine with mission based co-op, but Firefight was fun. I mean, the campaign is already 4 player co-op, so I don't see the need for a separate set of co-op missions. I'm fine with it, but not if it replaces Firefight.

SPYDER0416

Eeyup, it gone.

I'm just bored of all these game series continuing. I know they are good, and make money. But didn't we finish the fight? Nope, more Halo. Didn't Kratos kill everything? Yes, but let's look at previous killing! The Gears trilogy was complete and satisfying... but here's more. Snake had his final mission... except for his next one. Meh, just wish talented dev teams would make more new games, once they've made a few sequels. Look at Naughty Dog or Retro, people! Amazing game, make a couple sequels, then move on :)locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"]I'm just bored of all these game series continuing. I know they are good, and make money. But didn't we finish the fight? Nope, more Halo. Didn't Kratos kill everything? Yes, but let's look at previous killing! The Gears trilogy was complete and satisfying... but here's more. Snake had his final mission... except for his next one. Meh, just wish talented dev teams would make more new games, once they've made a few sequels. Look at Naughty Dog or Retro, people! Amazing game, make a couple sequels, then move on :)Cranler

1. firefight was awful (as are most horde modes) 2. Reaches MP is the worst seen in the halo franchise and halo 4 is looking better (but still not as good as 1-3) 3. Halo 4 sp is looking better than 3 and reach, step FORWARD!campzor

Halo's horde mode was actually among the best in the industry.

I'm worried it'll be scrubby and too much cod, ruining what made halo 1-3 fun.

But let's wait and see for now.

...you've not played it, and you have a few tidbits of information therefor you know every thing about the game and can thus make an informed opinion that its a step backwards?

I'm just bored of all these game series continuing. I know they are good, and make money. But didn't we finish the fight? Nope, more Halo. Didn't Kratos kill everything? Yes, but let's look at previous killing! The Gears trilogy was complete and satisfying... but here's more. Snake had his final mission... except for his next one. Meh, just wish talented dev teams would make more new games, once they've made a few sequels. Look at Naughty Dog or Retro, people! Amazing game, make a couple sequels, then move on :)locopatho

It'd be like Ford saying "Wow we sold record numbers of the explorer this quarter, let's get rid of it and make an untested product!"

doesn't make sense.

Halo anything is a step backwards. =PAllicrombie

3 not as much, it had a few interesting things, but the main thing was that it was very well balanced and fun.

Halo reach was garbage, no balance, nothing innovative.

Hope They learned their lesson.

It needs to have taken a step forward first to be able to take a step backwardsthemajormayor

Bingo

[QUOTE="locopatho"]I'm just bored of all these game series continuing. I know they are good, and make money. But didn't we finish the fight? Nope, more Halo. Didn't Kratos kill everything? Yes, but let's look at previous killing! The Gears trilogy was complete and satisfying... but here's more. Snake had his final mission... except for his next one. Meh, just wish talented dev teams would make more new games, once they've made a few sequels. Look at Naughty Dog or Retro, people! Amazing game, make a couple sequels, then move on :)TopTierHustler

It'd be like Ford saying "Wow we sold record numbers of the explorer this quarter, let's get rid of it and make an untested product!"

doesn't make sense.

Seriously, no one seems to care that firefight got axed, and replased by Spec-ops...oh my bad I meant Spartan Ops. Thats an entire game mode lots of people love just gone, and hell, it was the best thing out of ODST! Now we have this 8 gig mandatory install....why? What could they need 8 gigs for? Its ass, thats what it is. I hate the fact that the updates for BF3 takes like 2 gigs just to play the damn thing. So to even just use this out of the box I have to install it? Lets not even forget about alot of the questionable deisgn choices they are making for MP, because lets face it, they are taking HAlo, and mixing some CoD in there...thats not good.

/rant

But really though, I was more hyped for ODST then I am for this. I feel its taking a step backwards from Reach...or maybe a step in the wrong direction, idk thoughts?

Bardock47

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]It needs to have taken a step forward first to be able to take a step backwardsDavekeeh

Bingo

>Implys God of War ever took a step foward

Spartan ops is more original than firefight.

It's not copying COD, it's still quite halo. And COD ripped off HALO more time than I can remember.

It's still one of the most content-filled games money can buy.