Im really shocked at how much better Fable 3 is over Fable 2

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] fair enough... ive definately had a few quirks that irritated me. I cant interact with my first wife namely. she just follows me around aimlessly not allowing me to speak to her or hold her hand or anything, but nothing as bad as what you said that has detered any mission ive done in the game. im at the 239 days till darkness point and ive done 60 missions. maybe the patch cleaned up a lot. I totally agree jasper is worthless. :)InsaneBasura

I quite liked Fable 2, and the shortcomings of Fable 3 were really disappointing to me. I'm glad some are able to enjoy the game regardless. I appreciated parts of it as well, but it was not a good sequel in my eyes.

Handholding
It is a finicky mechanic that looks busted and brings absolutely nothing to the game but frustration as you fail to lock onto people.

Dog
In Fable 3 it serves no other function than to point out treasures, which it inexplicably does much more poorly.

Waypoints
Also baflingly broken. More like "where?"*points*. Much too frequently the game gets confused and does not know where the waypoint is and points you in the wrong direction, or nowhere at all, just disappears.

Communication
The game now tells you which gesture you are to perform and you just basically press A two times or whatever. There is absolutely nothing compelling about this. And no longer can you crap your pants. Could just as well have been automated. And oh, only one person at a time.

Also, something that's peculiar in Fable 3 is that they decided the character would be able to speak like a normal person. So when you still communicate with people by whistling and farting in their faces, that is supremely supersenseless. There is no sense. You can't both have your cake and fart on it.

Relationships
To make friends with people involves performing a neverending series of raw ass fetch quests. This is not fun either. It is actively, abrasively tedious. It is the Fable version of mineral scanning. Whoever though of this ought to get slapped with a fish.

Where the f*** is my minimap?
Seriously. Where is it? Pressing start to bring up the sanctuary, run up to the map, press A and then not see where on that abstract map I am and be unable to set waypoints is not helpful.

Weapon upgrades
You earn them by performing sometimes really menial tasks. Kill 250 bandits in the day. How about no? It's like....why is the game like this? Why is it so set on trying to make you have a boring time?

Technical issues
There are, or at least were, a lot of them. Most of them small, but boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew...

Misc.
The economics and property ownership is about as involved as it was in Fable 2 I guess. Only now you have to bother with repairs. Which you as quickly as possible start not doing by solely owning shops.

The story was fairly flat and aimless. But I can't say it was worse than Fable 2's. Basically, the story was. It was a thing, and it wasn't bad. I don't feel this has ever been a strong point of the series.

Although the ending is ****ed up in a way that could totally ruin your day. I knew it was coming so I wiggled the stick around some while watching TV for a while. It is the worst kind of twist ending. Just borderline meanspirited. I don't know what they were trying to accomplish with it. Would love to hear it in a postmortem, along with explanations for the rest of the game being what it is.

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But it's not a wholly s***ty game, just disappointing. What still works is the writing and quirky charm. That's still very much a part of Fable. And it's what motivated me to complete the game. That and the Aurora section, which was an interesting diversion. And the combat was just about unsimple enough to not start feeling grating. Basically Fable 3 consists of a lot of parts, many of which are a bit rubbish, but a few of them are strong enough combined that they carry the game by themselves.

I can see valid points in everything you're saying, functionally it isnt a perfect game, but I dont know brother, im just having such a damn good time with it. its the story i think. its got me. I love the political elements, the weight of being a guy who makes desicians. i dont cuss at the quirks (maybe except the way point madness) i just cant fixate on the little stuff when im having this much fun. I actually have used about 10 different weapons for the first time ever in fable. I love the weapons!

:)

fable 3 seem to short but ill give at least 8.3 scored in between an 8.0 and 8.5 not a great game but not good either so say its a fair game

brownstephen259

Don´t know about that,all I hear is how the game is average and disapointing,especially from Giantbomb´s podcasts.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] fair enough... ive definately had a few quirks that irritated me. I cant interact with my first wife namely. she just follows me around aimlessly not allowing me to speak to her or hold her hand or anything, but nothing as bad as what you said that has detered any mission ive done in the game. im at the 239 days till darkness point and ive done 60 missions. maybe the patch cleaned up a lot. I totally agree jasper is worthless. :)InsaneBasura

I quite liked Fable 2, and the shortcomings of Fable 3 were really disappointing to me. I'm glad some are able to enjoy the game regardless. I appreciated parts of it as well, but it was not a good sequel in my eyes.

Handholding
It is a finicky mechanic that looks busted and brings absolutely nothing to the game but frustration as you fail to lock onto people.

Dog
In Fable 3 it serves no other function than to point out treasures, which it inexplicably does much more poorly.

Waypoints
Also baflingly broken. More like "where?"*points*. Much too frequently the game gets confused and does not know where the waypoint is and points you in the wrong direction, or nowhere at all, just disappears.

Communication
The game now tells you which gesture you are to perform and you just basically press A two times or whatever. There is absolutely nothing compelling about this. And no longer can you crap your pants. Could just as well have been automated. And oh, only one person at a time.

Also, something that's peculiar in Fable 3 is that they decided the character would be able to speak like a normal person. So when you still communicate with people by whistling and farting in their faces, that is supremely supersenseless. There is no sense. You can't both have your cake and fart on it.

Relationships
To make friends with people involves performing a neverending series of raw ass fetch quests. This is not fun either. It is actively, abrasively tedious. It is the Fable version of mineral scanning. Whoever though of this ought to get slapped with a fish.

Where the f*** is my minimap?
Seriously. Where is it? Pressing start to bring up the sanctuary, run up to the map, press A and then not see where on that abstract map I am and be unable to set waypoints is not helpful.

Weapon upgrades
You earn them by performing sometimes really menial tasks. Kill 250 bandits in the day. How about no? It's like....why is the game like this? Why is it so set on trying to make you have a boring time?

Technical issues
There are, or at least were, a lot of them. Most of them small, but boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew...

Misc.
The economics and property ownership is about as involved as it was in Fable 2 I guess. Only now you have to bother with repairs. Which you as quickly as possible start not doing by solely owning shops.

The story was fairly flat and aimless. But I can't say it was worse than Fable 2's. Basically, the story was. It was a thing, and it wasn't bad. I don't feel this has ever been a strong point of the series.

Although the ending is ****ed up in a way that could totally ruin your day. I knew it was coming so I wiggled the stick around some while watching TV for a while. It is the worst kind of twist ending. Just borderline meanspirited. I don't know what they were trying to accomplish with it. Would love to hear it in a postmortem, along with explanations for the rest of the game being what it is.

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But it's not a wholly s***ty game, just disappointing. What still works is the writing and quirky charm. That's still very much a part of Fable. And it's what motivated me to complete the game. That and the Aurora section, which was an interesting diversion. And the combat was just about unsimple enough to not start feeling grating. Basically Fable 3 consists of a lot of parts, many of which are a bit rubbish, but a few of them are strong enough combined that they carry the game by themselves.

Well that sucks, because I just bought Fable 2 :P

I have many problems with Fable 2 but the one thing that made me hate it the most is this one thing....

[spoiler] When I picked to save my sister, family and dog, and I get back to main land and I get a letter.... A FREAKING Letter from my sister that says hey bro hehhehehehehehe I'm some where heheheheheheheh don't know where hehehehehe some guys here heheheheheeh never see you again hehehehehe bye now...hehehehehehe

Fable 3 story
I mean look at it like this...you could murder, maim and the like go through and make every bad choices and still at the end Walter dies you cradle him in your arms and your all sad...you quite literally destroyed the world, and in my case killed EVERY ONE before the end came and your all wahhhh walter walter don't die! and walter is still proud of you...he doesn't care what you do...you were more evil then the shadow...yet its the big bad guy? lol Then you have the fact that even when your evil your still working to bring down your brother you can then commit acts as king worse then he did...and the difference? your a hero...

THOSE SOB's brought reaver back, I hated him in Fable 2 it pissed me off I couldn't kill him, they bring him back and MAKE HIM Your advisor when you become king, he makes your father grow old, killed the original heros village ages ago, he tries to kill you in this game...and you have to put up with him your forced to deal with him... [/spoiler]

Fable 3 and why I loathed it.

Because as much as I hated Fable 2 all Fable 3 was more of the same they went from the actual contextual choices you could make in fable 1 to the most basic choices that did nothing ever to the story and really meant nothing. You could do evil actions that made no difference in a good storyline...the only choices that developed things really in any actual way were good ones, and the reason this became so is because in fable 2 they evolved this idea that there was only ever 1 hero...you. The actons and interactions of others meant nothing to the world at hand because you were the only real hero. An example of this is under the spoiler above *because the forum wont let me post multiple spoilers*

Then you have bugs and glitches most of which should have never made it to retail, obvious stuff like the glowing trail idiocy I can't count the number of times during my 1000/1000 playthrough where it would lead me into walls, lead me off cliffs, outright lead me half way accross a map decide no its the other way then when I got half way back it would decide no sorry the other way was right...

The dog would continually lead me to treasure that didn't exist

The menu system would crash at times for me with the one butler losing the ability to speak and I would get stuck in one of the rooms weapon or clothing.

Reavers glitch where you would get stuck at the bottom of the map and it would auto save..that happend to me once.

And the Most grevious reason I hate Fable 3.....*available in spoiler above*

That and the fact that its obvious they ripped stuff out of the game to release as DLC..Understone, Dyes, armor...the one log cabin you got if you got the collectors edition all had placeholders in game all obviously created before the game was released.

Fable 3 story

WilliamRLBaker

In reference to your spoiler, that is 100% how I felt, I can't believe they go to the trouble of including such a half-assed morality system and make your character react in a very specific fashion? *SORT OF SPOILERS AHEAD, SCREW TAGS, THEY GLITCH SOMETIMES FOR ME, BUT NOT REALLY SPOILERS ANYWAYS SO*

If you're a ruthless killer who made promises just to become king, and became an even MORE opressive king, would he react like that?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
Fable 3 story

110million

In reference to your spoiler, that is 100% how I felt, I can't believe they go to the trouble of including such a half-assed morality system and make your character react in a very specific fashion? *SORT OF SPOILERS AHEAD, SCREW TAGS, THEY GLITCH SOMETIMES FOR ME, BUT NOT REALLY SPOILERS ANYWAYS SO*

If you're a ruthless killer who made promises just to become king, and became an even MORE opressive king, would he react like that?

are you asking if he would do that? if so then yes...Walters reaction in the end is the exact same way if you were a neutral character, saint like character, or the ultimate evil. I went through the game and a few scenes before I became king I killed every one in the world I went to every village and obliterated every one, the population was 0 long before I emptied the treasury..etc..etc And he reacted the same way he did when I did my good playthrough where I made sure never to hurt any innocents and I did every good thing that could be done. *heres a nice thing...if you do every thing bad while king to make sure your treasury is full you cannot actually fill it enough you still have to donate your own money*

IMO Fable 2 > Fable TLC > Fable 3 ... I would love a Fable game with the setting/combat/spells in Fable I with Fable II's game size, interactions, dog and Fable III type story.

SpideR_CentS