I'm thinking this is about the time Sony has realized why Konami fired Kojima

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#51 Needhealing
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@Diddies said:
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Honestly MGS5 was trash, Konami could see it. What they did not see was how for some reason critics would give the game a 10/10, which was bizzare.

Sony will soon realize the same thing, but don't fire Kojima or else critics once again will give Death Stranding a 10/10 and then score Death Stranding: Survive a 4/10.

I think the gameplay of MGS5 was pretty fun. You could approach a mission anyway that you thought. However, the story for a MGS game wasn't the greatest.

Gameplay was so repetitive, and the world was boring, empty and repetitive too. I don't know, i really disliked the game. Played it for 8 hours and had to stop. Was really bored. It was a shame because the first hour or so i saw glimpses of that 10/10 critics were talking about. But then i was like wtf is this.

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@scatteh316 said:

Well considering he's saved them a few million by using an existing game engine he has the budget.

That's what I was thinking.

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#53  Edited By stuff238
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Kojima is not going to make the same mistake twice and go massively over budget.

A lot of the money wasted last time was just building the Fox Engine.

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#54 Archangel3371
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I’m sure they knew exactly what they were getting into and I doubt that they have any regrets. Personally I think that Kojima is a fantastic game creator and anyone would be very lucky to have his talent working for them.

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#55  Edited By deactivated-5c56012aaa167
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@stuff238 said:

Kojima is not going to make the same mistake twice and go massively over budget.

A lot of the money wasted last time was just building the Fox Engine.

And still funny how everyone just says that the budget was wasted on that Engine. Making a game engine doesn't take more than 10 million dollars. Even capcom managed to make their RE engine without making the budget go high.

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@Bread_or_Decide said:

It's been how long since he started this project? How many expensive actors has he hired? How many expensive cinematics has he created with nigh a glimpse of what exactly the game will be? Do you think Sony has already regretted hiring Kojima now that he's causing them to hemorrhage money on his untested, extremely expensive, new IP? The real question is: how will they find a nice way to dump him after they've lost all their PS4 profits on Death Stranding.

No Op.. Not only did Sony get good publicity for bringing on Kojima, they are gonna end up with a masterpiece of a game.. Also DS has only been in full development since early 2017

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#57  Edited By verbalfilth
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Mgs 5 was a snooze fest kept alive by the need to complete the story...Death Stranding looks like it's going to be an overconvulated plot that we won't get to experience before Next Gen. I hope Kojima won't be the M Night Shyamalan of the video game industry.....trying to be clever when a solid and simple plot with great gameplay is all that's needed

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#58  Edited By X_CAPCOM_X
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Lol what are you guys talking about. MGSV was an amazing game.
It's also amazing that Kojima has accomplished this much in the little time he has been with Sony. It has been just over a year.

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@Diddies said:
@needhealing said:

Honestly MGS5 was trash, Konami could see it. What they did not see was how for some reason critics would give the game a 10/10, which was bizzare.

Sony will soon realize the same thing, but don't fire Kojima or else critics once again will give Death Stranding a 10/10 and then score Death Stranding: Survive a 4/10.

I think the gameplay of MGS5 was pretty fun. You could approach a mission anyway that you thought. However, the story for a MGS game wasn't the greatest.

MGSV might not have been worthy of the 10/10, but then again is ANY game worthy of a perfect score? If we accept that 10/10 is not meant to be a "perfect" game, and just meant to be "generation defining" at the time of release - I'd say MGSV is as good as any of the recent 10/10's.

Other than the slightly barren open world (if we are comparing to Grand Theft Auto franchise, otherwise I found the side missions plentiful), I'm not sure what the complaint could possibly be. The gameplay in MGSV is head and shoulders above for a TPS, basically mixing the always slick MGS gameplay with an open world. What's not to like? Story wise it might be a bit weaker than normal... but who cares. I've always found Metal Gear nonsensical.

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#60  Edited By ChrisChronos
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Yet Konami has proven to be trash without him. MGS Survive really? Massive step down from Kojima quality.

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#61 henrythefifth
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Kojima is not a team player. That was always the issue. That, and the fact that he was bonkers.

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#62  Edited By uninspiredcup
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It's pretty obvious he has the ego the size of a mountain. What sort of a dickhead implants themselves in a game and puts up daily reminders that he made it? Probably thinks he shits gold and can get away with anything.

Can't blame him really, critics and fans just kiss his ass constantly even though games like Metal Gear Solid 4 are quite obviously a car crash mess.

Hopefully Death Standing is a disaster and everyone is fired. And it hurts Sony badly.

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#63 KillzoneSnake
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Sony are going to make a killing out of it. Review sites will give it a 10 even if its a 7. Just look at MGSV. Geoff dorito man will give Kojima best director award every year lmao.

The crazy thing is... all i said is true lol

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@Bread_or_Decide said:

It's been how long since he started this project? How many expensive actors has he hired? How many expensive cinematics has he created with nigh a glimpse of what exactly the game will be? Do you think Sony has already regretted hiring Kojima now that he's causing them to hemorrhage money on his untested, extremely expensive, new IP? The real question is: how will they find a nice way to dump him after they've lost all their PS4 profits on Death Stranding.

The Last Guardian....

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And still funny how everyone just says that the budget was wasted on that Engine. Making a game engine doesn't take more than 10 million dollars. Even capcom managed to make their RE engine without making the budget go high.

And how long did it take them to make the engine? Making an engine takes a lot of time and if you want to speed up the process, the costs go up.

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#66  Edited By drummerdave9099
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How long does it take to make a new Zelda game? 5 years?

Metal Gear Solid 5 released late 2015, so I'd give it another year or two before you start lol'ing at the dev time. Typically these projects aren't revealed until a long time into development.

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#67  Edited By KungfuKitten
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With the way Konami treated him/their employees in general, I don't think it's fair to assume that Kojima is the reason for budget or planning issues. He could be, but even in that case it can still pay off. Besides, he hasn't delayed the game yet and has in fact stated that development was going well.

There’s no definite release date just yet but Kojima did tell fans during the 2016 Tokyo Game Show that Death Stranding would be out before 2019. During a recent interview at the 2017 Game Awards, Kojima seemed to be happy with the development progress of the game, stating that a lot of work had been done with the Decima engine.

In an interview with Dengeki PlayStation (via Wccftech) at the end of 2017, Kojima said that development of the game was going well: “Development on Death Stranding is going well enough that [Sony Interactive Entertainment] told us, ‘We have never before seen a game being created at such a fast pace.’ We are planning an announcement that will further surprise everyone in 2018.”

This bodes well for a late 2018 release.

Basically every AAA game of its caliber gets delayed at least once, so I'm not sure about a 2018 release myself. But I don't see or hear anything that suggests they are burning money in the wrong places. He did make 3 trailers but he also announced the game real early... I bet they are trying to keep the hype on life support throughout the years. Making trailers is one of Kojima's strengths (he is amazing at cinematography) just like CD Projekt RED who have used 7 trailers for the Witcher 3 (excluding the expansion pack trailers) and for good measure an additional trailer to commemorate a one year success.

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#68 mazuiface
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People here still believe the myth that Kojima cost Konami too much money? Holy shit the hate runs deep. Metal Gear Solid V made ALL of the development cost back and more within the first day of it going on sale. Get that garbage out of here.

The Fox engine alone allowed Konami to streamline the development of their other games like PES.

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@KungfuKitten said:

Basically every AAA game of its caliber gets delayed at least once, so I'm not sure about a 2018 release myself. But I don't see or hear anything that suggests they are burning money in the wrong places. He did make 3 trailers but he also announced the game real early... I bet they are trying to keep the hype on life support throughout the years. Making trailers is one of Kojima's strengths (he is amazing at cinematography) just like CD Projekt RED who have used 7 trailers for the Witcher 3 (excluding the expansion pack trailers) and for good measure an additional trailer to commemorate a one year success.

I'd like to emphasize this paragraph of yours for the people in here who have some vendetta against Kojima. See the bolded.

All of these people fabricating Konami's justification for firing Kojima must be angry about something else entirely.

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#70 Cloud_imperium
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Kojima is overrated and annoying anyway. Phantom Pain was repetitive and shallow garbage.

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#71 BluFalconUltra
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It takes time to make a great game, unless its sea of thieves. DS will come out and be great, unlike the crap that MS releases.

@hrt_rulz01 said:

Another movie "game" will fit right in with Sony's portfolio.

Ironically that's what Quantum Break was and it sucked like sea of thieves lol.

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#72 BluFalconUltra
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@Cloud_imperium said:

Kojima is overrated and annoying anyway. Phantom Pain was repetitive and shallow garbage.

You don't know anything about gaming. Koji created most modern features and mechanics popular today back in the 80s with Metal Gear. Learn your gaming history kids.

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#73  Edited By AzatiS
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I love the hate towards yet another Sony AAA NEW exclusive IP. Sony is the only company out there trying new AAA IPs over and over yet they getting hate. Really?

Let me guess, this is coming from people having zero exclusives to play with on their Xbox ? Or from "console of the generation, pokemon nuclear fukushima edition, i hope we still be getting games this time after 3-4 years " type of gamers ? Hahaha !

Next one please !

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@blufalconultra: Lol... even though it's sh*t, at least you can actually play Sea of Thieves, and not just watch it (unlike Sony's games).

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@hrt_rulz01 said:

@blufalconultra: Lol... even though it's sh*t, at least you can actually play Sea of Thieves, and not just watch it (unlike Sony's games).

And yet, most of PS4 excursive sells well when it comes to single player & the same applies to Nintendo games. You Xbox fanboys sure love to label anything that's "movie games" and yet, time again they get praises. Ironic.

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@davillain- said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:

@blufalconultra: Lol... even though it's sh*t, at least you can actually play Sea of Thieves, and not just watch it (unlike Sony's games).

And yet, most of PS4 excursive sells well when it comes to single player & the same applies to Nintendo games. You Xbox fanboys sure love to label anything that's "movie games" and yet, time again they get praises. Ironic.

Lol, yeah it's Xbox fanboys that love to label everything. Hypocrite much?

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#77  Edited By UssjTrunks
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Serious question: Why doesn't Kojima just become a movie director? He's far more suited for it than gaming.

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MGS 5 pushed Konami profits 150% at $771.8 million..Konami was stupid for letting him go. It doesn't matter how much he spends to make a game, it's the profits they'll reap later that matter.

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@hrt_rulz01 said:
@davillain- said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:

@blufalconultra: Lol... even though it's sh*t, at least you can actually play Sea of Thieves, and not just watch it (unlike Sony's games).

And yet, most of PS4 excursive sells well when it comes to single player & the same applies to Nintendo games. You Xbox fanboys sure love to label anything that's "movie games" and yet, time again they get praises. Ironic.

Lol, yeah it's Xbox fanboys that love to label everything. Hypocrite much?

Davs a cow hiding in hermits clothing lol.

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Seeing that dumb picture he posted of himself drinking out of mug labeled Konami's Tears is all you need to know about whether or not it was a good decision.

I'm sure they were glad to be rid of him with that system war level trolling. That pre-teen lvl shit should be far above your multi-million dollar project lead man.

....you do know that that was some random joker on a parody Twitter account using Photoshop right?

Come on now lol.

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@UssjTrunks said:

Serious question: Why doesn't Kojima just become a movie director? He's far more suited for it than gaming.

Once again, you and this garbage. I'll ask again: do you even play any of his games? Or do you just echo the sentiments of scrubs and fanboys online?

It's just plain idiotic to say this about his games -- on its face. You and the other idiots in here who repeat this trash.

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@X_CAPCOM_X said:
@UssjTrunks said:

Serious question: Why doesn't Kojima just become a movie director? He's far more suited for it than gaming.

Once again, you and this garbage. I'll ask again: do you even play any of his games? Or do you just echo the sentiments of scrubs and fanboys online?

It's just plain idiotic to say this about his games -- on its face. You and the other idiots in here who repeat this trash.

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#83 enzyme36
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@ConanTheStoner: touche... well I was fooled. Egg on me

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#84  Edited By ellos
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@UssjTrunks: To be fair you can do that to your favourite game also. I have been trying to understand peoples consistence stance here in SW. There was a poll between Zelda BOW, Skyrim and The Witcher 3. The winner was surprisingly the more movie story writing game. You would have thought under that context Zelda would have taken it.

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Anyways I don't get the hate for kojima. He has been cinematic craze for a long time now but one thing for sure is he thinks about gameplay mechanics on his games. He thinks about how the west make games or prepare engines for new gen. At the time I think Japan was behind and not willing to invest on AAA games.

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@UssjTrunks: To be fair you can do that to your favourite game also. I have been trying to understand peoples consistence stance here in SW. There was a poll between Zelda BOW, Skyrim and The Witcher 3. The winner was surprisingly the more movie story writing game. You would have thought under that context Zelda would have taken it.

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Except Witcher 3 takes 101 hours to complete while MGS4 takes 21.

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sounds like someone is butthurt.

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#87 deactivated-620299e29a26a
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Lots of assumptions for a game that has little information on it. From budgets, to the actual game itself, alot of assuming for the sake of argument.

I don't see kojima as a second coming of game development, but I also won't bash a new IP in a sea a sequels without playing it.

That being said, I played MG survive, and thought it was a poorly developed game, just like a large portion of people that played it.

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#88  Edited By ellos
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@UssjTrunks said:
@ellos said:

@UssjTrunks: To be fair you can do that to your favourite game also. I have been trying to understand peoples consistence stance here in SW. There was a poll between Zelda BOW, Skyrim and The Witcher 3. The winner was surprisingly the more movie story writing game. You would have thought under that context Zelda would have taken it.

Except Witcher 3 takes 101 hours to complete while MGS4 takes 21.

MGS4 is a movie and The Witcher 3 is a tv-series especially compare to something like a BOTW lol. My point for this thread though is that while Kojima is crazy he is one of the japanese developer that understood how the west was preparing for new gen. Most japanese companies were getting ready to embrace mobile boom. Konami was not ready for that kinda of investment added with that Kojima shenanigans. Sony is fitting for kojima and he got an engine to work with. Death Stranding follows his new path of creating more open world games and probably will be a complete project compare to MGS5. Yes there will be lots of movies but possibility of lots of great gameplay is there. These things take a f***in long time just ask CDPR. This was the dude that fell in love with open world games and wanted to do that for MGS.

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#89  Edited By ConanTheStoner
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@enzyme36:

All good bro.

Kojima definitely has an ego, but I don't know of him ever being unprofessional like that lol.

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#90 Techhog89
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Well, this shitpost has lowered my opinion of you. That much is for sure.