In Defense of Playstation Vita... (compilation of complaints)

I'm going to list in this thread, the most frequent complains of people...and I'm going to show why people are exaggerating and hating for no reason.

1. PSV is full of ports. On new IPs alone - i can name you 4 on top of my head:
a. Little Deviants (equivalent to Wii Sports) - this game is perfect for handhelds.
b. Gravity Daze
c. Army Corps of Hell
d. Sound Shapes

I can also give you some games that aren't ports:
a. Little King's Story sequel
b. Uncharted:GA
c. Ragnarok Odyssey
d. DJ Max Technika Vita
e. Silent Hill
f. Resistance: Burning Skies
g. Superstardust Delta
h. LBP Vita
i. Lord of Apocalypse

Yep, that's 12games that aren't ports (4 new IPs, 8 old IPs). Of course, who doesn't want to play UMvC3 portable? I surely would. Even the 3DS have ports (SFIV, Star Foxand OoT anyone?) andpeople still bought them. To discount ports/remake entirely is not realistic.

2. Battery Problems - 3-5 hours - ok it's bad but it's to be expected. Even Ipad 2 won't run more than 5 hours if you're gonna play something like Uncharted on it. Not to mention, the PSV is a $250 machine! 3DS isn't faring better with the same # of hours at medium-high settings. *new update* - Vita external battery gives an additional 6-10 hours battery life :)

3. 3DS has more upcoming games than PSV - I don't think there's any debate that 3DS has more upcoming games than PSV. But that's because 3DS has been released almost 10 months ahead of Vita. A better comparison would be next year's holiday lineup.

4.Vita is DOA - Try again. there are 26 confirmed launch titles. That's probably one of the most impressive launches (quantity wise) in the history of console/handhelds.

5. The external mem stick cost 2-3x as much - imo, not as relevant. Mem sticks are one time purchase and will last you the whole gen. Also, it's good that Sony is giving us the option to choose between 2gb to 32gb. Playing the Vita solely for games? then 8gb is plenty enough. Adding music and videos? Maybe 16gb would do for you. Now, with regards to the pricing - I'm not too concerned. We have to remember we are buying the Vita at a bargain (Sony is losing money at $250) so this evens out the whole package. I do think this is the better deal than the original 3DS price of $250 but that's just me.

6. 3DS will sell more than PSV - who cares really? DS sold more than PSP. But look, PSP had tons of great games and is still alive with a current lineup better than Wii (yeah, FF Agito,Suikoden, VC3> Skyward Sword - but that's because I'm a big JRPG fan). Both DS and PSP were a huge success IMO - hardware and software-wise.

2. Battery Problems - 3-5 hours - ok it's bad but it's to be expected. Even Ipad 2 won't run more than 5 hours if you're gonna play something like Uncharted on it. Not to mention, the PSV is a $250 machine! 3DS isn't faring better with the same # of hours at medium-high settings.

3. 3DS has more upcoming games than PSV - I don't think there's any debate that 3DS has more upcoming games than PSV. But that's because 3DS has been released almost 10 months ahead of Vita. A better comparison would be next year's holiday lineup.

4.Vita is DOA - Try again. there are 26 confirmed launch titles. That's probably one of the most impressive launches (quantity wise) in the history of console/handhelds.

5. The external mem stick cost 2-3x as much - imo, not as relevant. Mem sticks are one time purchase and will last you the whole gen. Also, it's good that Sony is giving us the option to choose between 2gb to 32gb. Playing the Vita solely for games? then 8gb is plenty enough. Adding music and videos? Maybe 16gb would do for you. Now, with regards to the pricing - I'm not too concerned. We have to remember we are buying the Vita at a bargain (Sony is losing money at $250) so this evens out the whole package. I do think this is the better deal than the original 3DS price of $250 but that's just me.

6. 3DS will sell more than PSV - who cares really? DS sold more than PSP. But look, PSP had tons of great games and is still alive with a current lineup better than Wii (yeah, FF Agito > Skyward Sword - but that's because I'm a big JRPG fan). Both DS and PSP were a huge success IMO - hardware and software-wise.nitekids2004

I'll start with 2 since the lineup is subjective to opinion. I completely disagree where people said 3DS had a bad lineup (especially at launch). If you think that you haven't seen many systems.

Battery Problems - Except for the fact that people continue to ignore (maybe because its what they don't want to hear or they choose to be in denial). Even at default settings (which is what I use it on) 3DS lasts longer than that. Its like the PSP. Besides that you can get other batteries which are bigger. Something that the Vita apparently doesn't have. Seriously I can't believe Sony could fail that hard. Of all the things you expect to be in a handheld an unremoveable battery isn't one of them.

3DS has more upcoming games than PSV - True. But it isn't just because of a head start. Nintendo sold tremendously this generation.

Vita is DOA - The point you make is true but it can also be reverted to my original point. Both systems have some of the most impressive launch lineups I've ever seen. If you think this is bad you haven't seen many launch lineups. The reason Vita looks lacking in comparison is because there are far fewer games which are unique to the system (one of the PSP's biggest downfalls).

The external memory sticks - Once again true. I have no problem here. My problem is the battery.

3DS will sell more than PSV - Nobody can be sure of that. Nothing is ever written in stone. True it looks a lot more likely now because of monster hunter 4 but if there is one thing this generation has proved its not to take anything for granted. Even for handhelds, things can go differently.

My opinion - Sony has goofed. That doesn't mean the system will flop by any means. But by letting MH 4 be exclusive to Nintendo (even as timed) can put a damper on them. Its been proven time and again that no matter what happens when a contract expires and a game gets on another system, people just don't care anymore (which is why the game never sells as well as original release regardless of additional content). All the horse power and it has come at the cost of the battery life. The most important factor of a handheld. We also have yet to see potential hardware problems the system may have. All that power may cause high failure rates.

I cannot say for certain that the system will fail. Nobody can. But it would be the funniest thing in the world if after all the articles, all the hate Nintendo had, all the "evidence" why 3DS will fail only for the Vita to fail. One thing is certain, the Vita certainly hasn't lived up to the hype.

Well it seems that the battery life will be around the 3DS battery life. the thing thats good about this is your getting better/faster hardware and ofc better graphics all with the same battery time.

Haters are going to hate. It's like X360 v PS3 (competition console) - DS v PSP (competition handheld).

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]2. Battery Problems - 3-5 hours - ok it's bad but it's to be expected. Even Ipad 2 won't run more than 5 hours if you're gonna play something like Uncharted on it. Not to mention, the PSV is a $250 machine! 3DS isn't faring better with the same # of hours at medium-high settings.

3. 3DS has more upcoming games than PSV - I don't think there's any debate that 3DS has more upcoming games than PSV. But that's because 3DS has been released almost 10 months ahead of Vita. A better comparison would be next year's holiday lineup.

4.Vita is DOA - Try again. there are 26 confirmed launch titles. That's probably one of the most impressive launches (quantity wise) in the history of console/handhelds.

5. The external mem stick cost 2-3x as much - imo, not as relevant. Mem sticks are one time purchase and will last you the whole gen. Also, it's good that Sony is giving us the option to choose between 2gb to 32gb. Playing the Vita solely for games? then 8gb is plenty enough. Adding music and videos? Maybe 16gb would do for you. Now, with regards to the pricing - I'm not too concerned. We have to remember we are buying the Vita at a bargain (Sony is losing money at $250) so this evens out the whole package. I do think this is the better deal than the original 3DS price of $250 but that's just me.

6. 3DS will sell more than PSV - who cares really? DS sold more than PSP. But look, PSP had tons of great games and is still alive with a current lineup better than Wii (yeah, FF Agito > Skyward Sword - but that's because I'm a big JRPG fan). Both DS and PSP were a huge success IMO - hardware and software-wise.icegamerice

I'll start with 2 since the lineup is subjective to opinion. I completely disagree where people said 3DS had a bad lineup (especially at launch). If you think that you haven't seen many systems.

Battery Problems - Except for the fact that people continue to ignore (maybe because its what they don't want to hear or they choose to be in denial). Even at default settings (which is what I use it on) 3DS lasts longer than that. Its like the PSP. Besides that you can get other batteries which are bigger. Something that the Vita apparently doesn't have. Seriously I can't believe Sony could fail that hard. Of all the things you expect to be in a handheld an unremoveable battery isn't one of them.

3DS has more upcoming games than PSV - True. But it isn't just because of a head start. Nintendo sold tremendously this generation.

Vita is DOA - The point you make is true but it can also be reverted to my original point. Both systems have some of the most impressive launch lineups I've ever seen. If you think this is bad you haven't seen many launch lineups. The reason Vita looks lacking in comparison is because there are far fewer games which are unique to the system (one of the PSP's biggest downfalls).

The external memory sticks - Once again true. I have no problem here. My problem is the battery.

3DS will sell more than PSV - Nobody can be sure of that. Nothing is ever written in stone. True it looks a lot more likely now because of monster hunter 4 but if there is one thing this generation has proved its not to take anything for granted. Even for handhelds, things can go differently.

My opinion - Sony has goofed. That doesn't mean the system will flop by any means. But by letting MH 4 be exclusive to Nintendo (even as timed) can put a damper on them. Its been proven time and again that no matter what happens when a contract expires and a game gets on another system, people just don't care anymore (which is why the game never sells as well as original release regardless of additional content). All the horse power and it has come at the cost of the battery life. The most important factor of a handheld. We also have yet to see potential hardware problems the system may have. All that power may cause high failure rates.

I cannot say for certain that the system will fail. Nobody can. But it would be the funniest thing in the world if after all the articles, all the hate Nintendo had, all the "evidence" why 3DS will fail only for the Vita to fail. One thing is certain, the Vita certainly hasn't lived up to the hype.

On number 6, Dragon Quest X will trump all your so called great titles.dotWithShoes

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]On number 6, Dragon Quest X will trump all your so called great titles.campzor

@icegamerice

-I'm not saying the 3DS' launch lineup is bad. Yes, there are far worst launches. But I think the PSV's lineup is way waybetter, if not one ofthe best in the whole videogame history.

-Battery Problems - IGN has reported external battery ooptionavailable for PSV. How they work remains to be seen.

-The current PSV lineup is pretty solid with a mix of ports, sequels and new IPs.

-People here are already proclaiming the 3DS the winner in sales due to MH. Granted MH4 is very big in Japan, the lineup of PSV is still pretty solid with alot of action RPGs such as God Eater Burst 2, Ragnarok Odyssey and Lord of Apocalypse.

-What's the hype for PSV anyway? I've outlined in my opening post why I think people are exaggerating on why PSV will "fail" or has failed.

Well it seems that the battery life will be around the 3DS battery life. the thing thats good about this is your getting better/faster hardware and ofc better graphics all with the same battery time.

hofuldig

Also, PSV charges faster to full than 3DS I believe. I think the PSV battery is better than the 3DS battery. It's just that you really need more power rendering PSV games than 3DS'.

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]On number 6, Dragon Quest X will trump all your so called great titles.dotWithShoes

[QUOTE="hofuldig"]

Well it seems that the battery life will be around the 3DS battery life. the thing thats good about this is your getting better/faster hardware and ofc better graphics all with the same battery time.

nitekids2004

Also, PSV charges faster to full than 3DS I believe. I think the PSV battery is better than the 3DS battery. It's just that you really need more power rendering PSV games than 3DS'.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="hofuldig"]

Well it seems that the battery life will be around the 3DS battery life. the thing thats good about this is your getting better/faster hardware and ofc better graphics all with the same battery time.

ShuichiChamp24

Also, PSV charges faster to full than 3DS I believe. I think the PSV battery is better than the 3DS battery. It's just that you really need more power rendering PSV games than 3DS'.

hmmm Kotaku has pegged 3DS charge time to 3.5 hours compared to PSV's 2 hr 40 min.

Either way,I don't think charge time is that relevant.

Nice launch line up, and if you think this launch line up is assured.. then you haven't been in the gaming hobby for long.. no games launch date is set in stone until the retail stores have them in inventory, even then they can change.dotWithShoes

Well, I'm sure ports are easy to "port around". So I do think at least 80% of the lineup is going to be finished by launch.

The 2 I doubt are the SE games.

@icegamerice

-I'm not saying the 3DS' launch lineup is bad. Yes, there are far worst launches. But I think the PSV's lineup is way waybetter, if not one ofthe best in the whole videogame history.

-Battery Problems - IGN has reported external battery ooptionavailable for PSV. How they work remains to be seen.

-The current PSV lineup is pretty solid with a mix of ports, sequels and new IPs.

-People here are already proclaiming the 3DS the winner in sales due to MH. Granted MH4 is very big in Japan, the lineup of PSV is still pretty solid with alot of action RPGs such as God Eater Burst 2, Ragnarok Odyssey and Lord of Apocalypse.

-What's the hype for PSV anyway? I've outlined in my opening post why I think people are exaggerating on why PSV will "fail" or has failed.nitekids2004

- Its not directly aimed at you. This is to the haters all over the Internet. Everyone has said "Nintendo couldn't have failed harder with the launch" and thats complete rubbish. Nintendo also had to prove third party games can sell on their systems (which SSFIV did).

- Fair play. We'll have to wait and see.

- its the ports thats the main problem. I said this would be similar to Wii U (just a system where third parties dump ports on regardless of how interesting the games are). People ignored that and look where we are now.

- except for every RPG on Vita there is one on 3DS. The reason people are putting so much emphasis on MH is because its huge in Japan (where handhelds sell at their best). Granted they are good RPGs but, like I said, there is a good one to match those on Vita. And thats without the inevitible Pokemon.

- The hype (which I kept bringing up to people but hardly anyone thought about it) is this is everything the PSP should have been. People across the entire Internet proclaimed the low price, the improvements to it (game card instead of long loading discs), the games Sony had on there, trophies, social features etc were the very reason they said this would trump 3DS. Amazing graphics with PS3 quality. And again, its nothing more than a handheld PS3. True it has it's own unique games but 3DS has more and they are bigger names (regardless of what any cow says). The battery life is even shoddier then it was last time. Everyone was so sucked into how it was obviously going to own 3DS they didn't consider what could go wrong with the system. You have seen yourself. Before this came up I repeated time and again the battery life could be this low but people insisted it was going to be the same.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]@icegamerice

-I'm not saying the 3DS' launch lineup is bad. Yes, there are far worst launches. But I think the PSV's lineup is way waybetter, if not one ofthe best in the whole videogame history.

-Battery Problems - IGN has reported external battery ooptionavailable for PSV. How they work remains to be seen.

-The current PSV lineup is pretty solid with a mix of ports, sequels and new IPs.

-People here are already proclaiming the 3DS the winner in sales due to MH. Granted MH4 is very big in Japan, the lineup of PSV is still pretty solid with alot of action RPGs such as God Eater Burst 2, Ragnarok Odyssey and Lord of Apocalypse.

-What's the hype for PSV anyway? I've outlined in my opening post why I think people are exaggerating on why PSV will "fail" or has failed.icegamerice

- Its not directly aimed at you. This is to the haters all over the Internet. Everyone has said "Nintendo couldn't have failed harder with the launch" and thats complete rubbish. Nintendo also had to prove third party games can sell on their systems (which SSFIV did).

- Fair play. We'll have to wait and see.

- its the ports thats the main problem. I said this would be similar to Wii U (just a system where third parties dump ports on regardless of how interesting the games are). People ignored that and look where we are now.

- except for every RPG on Vita there is one on 3DS. The reason people are putting so much emphasis on MH is because its huge in Japan (where handhelds sell at their best). Granted they are good RPGs but, like I said, there is a good one to match those on Vita. And thats without the inevitible Pokemon.

- The hype (which I kept bringing up to people but hardly anyone thought about it) is this is everything the PSP should have been. People across the entire Internet proclaimed the low price, the improvements to it (game card instead of long loading discs), the games Sony had on there, trophies, social features etc were the very reason they said this would trump 3DS. Amazing graphics with PS3 quality. And again, its nothing more than a handheld PS3. True it has it's own unique games but 3DS has more and they are bigger names (regardless of what any cow says). The battery life is even shoddier then it was last time. Everyone was so sucked into how it was obviously going to own 3DS they didn't consider what could go wrong with the system. You have seen yourself. Before this came up I repeated time and again the battery life could be this low but people insisted it was going to be the same.

-Ports are like side dishes in a meal.THey're there to complement themain course. People are saying that the original PSP is a port machine. Isort of agreebut despite that, it still has a very rich library of games on par w/ GBA.Of course here in SW we don't count ports but outside, I assure you they're very relevant in adding to your library. Even here in SW,we hear alot of people buying and playing OoT, Star Fox andSFIV 3D.Same way,I'd wagerpeople would buy UMvC3,etc.

-Judging by your statement, PSV has met the hype excluding the battery life and "trumping" the 3DS (consideringit still remains to be seen). Its priced affordably. It has sub-PS3 graphics. It has tons of featuresw/ the option of 3G.It hasdual analogs. It has front and back touch screen (perfect for sandbox games like LBP and Modnation Racers).It has Oled screen. And its ahugeimprovementof the original PSP in almost every way.

-Ports are like side dishes in a meal.THey're there to complement themain course. People are saying that the original PSP is a port machine. Isort of agreebut despite that, it still has a very rich library of games on par w/ GBA.Of course here in SW we don't count ports but outside, I assure you they're very relevant in adding to your library. Even here in SW,we hear alot of people buying and playing OoT, Star Fox andSFIV 3D.Same way,I'd wagerpeople would buy UMvC3,etc.

-Judging by your statement, PSV has met the hype excluding the battery life and "trumping" the 3DS (consideringit still remains to be seen). Its priced affordably. It has sub-PS3 graphics. It has tons of featuresw/ the option of 3G.It hasdual analogs. It has front and back touch screen (perfect for sandbox games like LBP and Modnation Racers).It has Oled screen. And its ahugeimprovementof the original PSP in almost every way.nitekids2004

Pretty much. Some who were getting a Vita have suddenly changed their minds now because of the battery life. The other point that came up was someone lost hype because he saw mostly ports and decreed its a handheld PS3. Those are two factors I've seen here. I have looked on neogaf and people said similar things.

The thing that disappoints me about all this is that I was right. I was also secretly hoping this would be the handheld PSP should have been. The second I saw ultimate marvel, Sigma and MGS HD collection I was sold and then this came up shortly afterwards. My gut was telling me the system would slip up eventually. Everything does sadly. In this case its in the area I was expecting (the battery life). It isn't exactly the battery life (because I thought hey just get a bigger one for at least 3DS/PSP power). What killed it for me is that its not removeable. I am at least waiting for a revision (hopefully with a removeable battery). I seriously never pictured the thing I would be asking for most is a removeable battery.

I don't think the system will fail. But I do think that unless Sony stop making silly mistakes a Playstation handheld will always be second. Yes I do think 3DS will beat it. But I don't think it will fail. You know what they say= "third times the charm".

i agree... vita looks great and haters will try and scrape up any dirt they find just to say anything negative about it.campzor

I thought the carts had on-board memory for saves and DLC, so who needs a memory stick if they just want to game?tomarlyn

According to articles, some would require mem stick. But it probably helps if you buy at least the 4gb one. Some games might incorporate (non-mandatory) install data for faster load times.

I thought the carts had on-board memory for saves and DLC, so who needs a memory stick if they just want to game?tomarlyn

If its anything like 3DS, in some cases it may be true but some will still need memory cards to save data.

Also people who want downloadable titles/PSP games will have to get a memory stick.

I see more people defending Vita than i do those hating it :|navyguy21

The Vita aint out yet, it doesnt need defending

I see more people defending Vita than i do those hating it :|navyguy21

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]I thought the carts had on-board memory for saves and DLC, so who needs a memory stick if they just want to game?nitekids2004

According to articles, some would require mem stick. But it probably helps if you buy at least the 4gb one. Some games might incorporate (non-mandatory) install data for faster load times.

there are 26 confirmed launch titles.nitekids2004

I'm sure it'll be good, but the name still sounds like an energy drink.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]I see more people defending Vita than i do those hating it :|nintendoboy16

Make that three. Why do people feel the need to defend a product this fiercely...?

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]I see more people defending Vita than i do those hating it :|mmmwksil

Make that three. Why do people feel the need to defend a product this fiercely...?

Why do sheep feel the need to bash a product this fiercely?

Haters are gonna hate.

It is the all-round best handheld and the game line up is looking sweet.

Escape Plan !

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] As do I.minh800

Make that three. Why do people feel the need to defend a product this fiercely...?

Why do sheep feel the need to bash a product this fiercely?

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

Make that three. Why do people feel the need to defend a product this fiercely...?

navyguy21

Why do sheep feel the need to bash a product this fiercely?

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="minh800"]

Why do sheep feel the need to bash a product this fiercely?

minh800

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] There are more cows making 3DS bashing threads than there are sheep with Vita, so why do cows feel the need to bash 3DS so fiercely?navyguy21

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="minh800"] You know why. Everyone knows why.

minh800

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Well dont point out sheep when cows do it WAY more. Take a look at the first 10-20 pages and tell me which gets bashed more. Double standards?navyguy21

option 6) the price is too high

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] As do I.minh800

Make that three. Why do people feel the need to defend a product this fiercely...?

Why do sheep feel the need to bash a product this fiercely?

Pointing out the Vita's flaws in comparison to its competition is bashing? :roll:

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

Make that three. Why do people feel the need to defend a product this fiercely...?

mmmwksil

Why do sheep feel the need to bash a product this fiercely?

Pointing out the Vita's flaws in comparison to its competition is bashing? :roll:

You know they're bashing the product. How many sheep are actually pointing out the flaws in comparison and not just saying: battery life suckz! Just a port machine! ?

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Why do sheep feel the need to bash a product this fiercely?

minh800

Pointing out the Vita's flaws in comparison to its competition is bashing? :roll:

You know they're bashing the product. How many sheep are actually pointing out the flaws in comparison and not just saying: battery life suckz! Just a port machine! ?

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Why do sheep feel the need to bash a product this fiercely?

minh800

Pointing out the Vita's flaws in comparison to its competition is bashing? :roll:

You know they're bashing the product. How many sheep are actually pointing out the flaws in comparison and not just saying: battery life suckz! Just a port machine! ?

No doubt there are some out there bashing, but generalizing them all as sheep is inaccurate. :P One just has to be careful not to label someone a sheep because they point something flawed out on the device.