In nine short years, has Microsoft surpassed Sony in gaming?

They have done WAY WAY better then I expected them to do.

When the first xbox came out I was like "Are you serious? You are tryign to compete with Sony and NIntendo? No chance in hell!"

But they have really carved out there own spot in the videogame world.

I wouldnt say they have outdone Sony, they are about even to me in the videogame race.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"]If releasing the most faulty hardware in recent gaming history and pulling the wool over the consumers eyes with a waranty extension and new chipsets is doing very well...I guess your right.Jynxzor

So paying out billions and working for the past few years on more reliable revisions is a quick (and what i take from your tone) and easy fix?.

Sony flat out denied the issue, didnt cover it and left customers effected by it to fork over a repair cost or buy a new system. Only when they got sued did they own up to it, but they still didnt compensate those effected by it.

I dont see how that is better than what MS did. :shock:

I like how the TC says 'short years' to give the impression these years were somehow shorter than other years. :lol:

Mystic-G

Your grasp ofI guess everything is literal, so I guess that you're lying, the TC never "said" that, he "typed" it. Do you honestly think he actually speaks out loud the stuff he types? O.o

TO say MS isn't gaining and improving is incredibly dumb. they were absolutely dominated by Sony last gen, and now are neck and neck, and likely ahead in terms of profit. (Sony still loses money for selling PS3's, and MS has xbl 50 bucks a year, more systems sold, and multiplats and exclusives both sell better on the 360. So yes, they have come a long way. But a lot of that is how far Sony has fallen. They went from 1st last gen to 3rd this gen in sales (although agai they are quite close to MS, they are only 3rd by a bit). The main point is neither are particularly close to nintendo (the Wii and the DS). But it is irrefutable that MS has come a long way, and Sony has fallen a long way in the gaming industry.

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] No. Ms doesn't benefit all that much form pc gaming, they only make the WOS. The biggest proof comes from Ms themselves, as they have closed must of their internal pc studios. there's no need to provide you with charts lol.Desmonic

You mean gamers dont buy Windows to play PC games ? Are Windows free or something ? They do benefit as you see

The gaming world revolves around MS software actually, benefit or not anyway

Microsfoft IS gaming, like MS is nearly all programs, everything was created around windows and DOS, without MS you would probably not have PS3 or Wii right now at the same state

Can't argue with that... PC games are based around Windows OS and have been for quite some time..

But Consoles wise I still think Sony as a brand is in front of MS...Actually the only true fact is that console wise, Nintendo PWNS everyone XD

Indeed. bandwise Sony was ahead at some point, i doubt is still the same though

Also i was talking substance, than brands

Sony was on top of the world. Their arrogance and hubris killed them. The only thing that kept Sony alive was the Sony fans who believe anything Sony said like it was gospel. Microsoft has overtaken them personally. It's amazing what MS has accomplished.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] how is extending the warranty and then fixing the system pulling the wool over users eyes? thats how you fix something if you dont completely want to recall the entire system then spend who knows how long fixing the problem..Snugenz

So paying out billions and working for the past few years on more reliable revisions is a quick (and what i take from your tone) and easy fix?.

Sony flat out denied the issue, didnt cover it and left customers effected by it to fork over a repair cost or buy a new system. Only when they got sued did they own up to it, but they still didnt compensate those effected by it.

I dont see how that is better than what MS did. :shock:

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[QUOTE="Jynxzor"] It was a quick fix, where they failed to really adress the issue like any company releasing a product that faulty should get. At least Sony got it handed back to them on a plater in court.Jynxzor

So paying out billions and working for the past few years on more reliable revisions is a quick (and what i take from your tone) and easy fix?.

Sony flat out denied the issue, didnt cover it and left customers effected by it to fork over a repair cost or buy a new system. Only when they got sued did they own up to it, but they still didnt compensate those effected by it.

I dont see how that is better than what MS did. :shock:

But they still owned up to it eventually, and the warranty was retroactive remember, so the people burned during the denial stage didnt get screwed over either. So the only thing they did that Sony didnt is compensate their customers.

Alternatively, Sony got sued and the PS2 customers just got screwed.

people can backpedal or white wash it however they want.

the Xbox brand was invented to hurt sony and to shift the development power back to american soil.

in 2001 the xbox brand dropped and slowly since 2003 began eating away at sonys marketshare.

while Sony laughed MS was hoping into bed with square enix , Konami and capcom.

while Sony ran a nonstop victory lap MS was courting Rockstar the Developer who BUILT the PS2 brand with the GTA series.

while Sony touted the 10 year PS2 plan MS snuk the 360 past them.

While sony tinkered with Blu Ray MS tinkered with buying exclusives that were once PS only.

while MS faced horrific Manufacturing problems caused by the RROD, Sony stumbled with an outrageous price tag,

even with the RROD it was STILL cheaper to aquire a 360 vs a PS3.

even with the RROD and halted manufacturing Sony still couldnt crush MS when it counted.

when people think of gaming they no longer think of Sony, not without Microsoft coming into the equation.

MS made 4.9 BILLION in 2009 while Sony is still mirred in red ink despite Hardware redisigns and price cuts.

so YES, Microsoft has surpassed Sony, its called the changing of the guard.

and still we will hear JUST WAIT, or they are catching up or 2006 is the year of the PS3, no 2007, no 2008, no 2009, no 2010, no 2035....JUST STOP PLEASE.

no game company has dominated for 10 years straight.

it just has not happened.

and while Sony fans may flame this post, look inwards and see that Sony did everything to help MS crush them.

If releasing the most faulty hardware in recent gaming history and pulling the wool over the consumers eyes with a waranty extension and new chipsets is doing very well...I guess your right.Jynxzor

People seem to forget that PS2 had an awful failure rate at launch as well.

Nope they didn't, they need to dominate at least once and that didn't happen game wise and sales wise.

Sony just hurt themselves with the PS3 that's all.

If the PS3 launched with a price tag of $300-$400, 360 would have been third, all exclusives that went multi-plats to the 360 would've stayed exclusives.

Did MS bring great gaming with 360? hell yeah, 06 and 07 were phenomenal for MS and 360.

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Windows and DOS were the platforms for PC games for decades now, how about that ? All gaming and current DX systems and video cards are based on MS software

Killer if you actually think about it

theseekar

You mean gamers dont buy Windows to play PC games ? Are Windows free or something ? They do benefit as you see

The gaming world revolves around MS software actually, benefit or not anyway

Microsfoft IS gaming, like MS is nearly all programs, everything was created around windows and DOS, without MS you would probably not have PS3 or Wii right now at the same state

has Microsoft surpassed Sony in gaming?

No no they have not

has Microsoft surpassed Sony in gaming?

No no they have not

Zaibach

thats a complete opinion

but on topic you are in cowspot you are going to anger alot of them however the 360 did what it was suppose to in that is what matters i like sony exclusives better though

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the 360 did whatit had to do this year with help from nintendo taking sony's reign at 1st place. I see it as a cooperative effort without getting recognition. everything is going according to plan for MS but they really shoting theirself in the foot with NATAL

shinrabanshou

i didnt say nintendo needed any help but nintendo kind of help MS in a sense

I don't see how profit is the most important factor in what a company does for gaming. Nintendo is the most profitable of the three, but the Wii is not a machine that I have any desire to own. Microsoft has provided very little in terms of game this gen, or the previous gen for that matter, and most of what they have coughed up has been bland.

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] No. Ms doesn't benefit all that much form pc gaming, they only make the WOS. The biggest proof comes from Ms themselves, as they have closed must of their internal pc studios. there's no need to provide you with charts lol.DerekLoffin

You mean gamers dont buy Windows to play PC games ? Are Windows free or something ? They do benefit as you see

The gaming world revolves around MS software actually, benefit or not anyway

Microsfoft IS gaming, like MS is nearly all programs, everything was created around windows and DOS, without MS you would probably not have PS3 or Wii right now at the same state

You can get DVDs from any company, but windows just from MS, there is a huge difference

Also yes, someone would have made something equivalent, but the point is that they did not, and DOS, Windows dominated and still do, all gaming

Ps3 has a DX9 video card and code base that evolved along with windows and DOS, even the CPU is that way aside the SPUs maybe

If releasing the most faulty hardware in recent gaming history and pulling the wool over the consumers eyes with a waranty extension and new chipsets is doing very well...I guess your right.Jynxzor

Surpass Sony? No. They've done better than Sony so far this gen, but all together I'd say absolutely not.

I don't see how profit is the most important factor in what a company does for gaming. Nintendo is the most profitable of the three, but the Wii is not a machine that I have any desire to own. Microsoft has provided very little in terms of game this gen, or the previous gen for that matter, and most of what they have coughed up has been bland.

Pug-Nasty

opinions are really great to have huh?

if MS Owns them again next gen... then yes... they will have surpassed sony.

Surpass Sony? No. They've done better than Sony so far this gen, but all together I'd say absolutely not.

Lionheart08

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Surpass Sony? No. They've done better than Sony so far this gen, but all together I'd say absolutely not.

Phazevariance

you have a really nice"fantasy" there lol

US: Slight Edge

World: Hell no

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

You mean gamers dont buy Windows to play PC games ? Are Windows free or something ? They do benefit as you see

The gaming world revolves around MS software actually, benefit or not anyway

Microsfoft IS gaming, like MS is nearly all programs, everything was created around windows and DOS, without MS you would probably not have PS3 or Wii right now at the same state

theseekar

You can get DVDs from any company, but windows just from MS, there is a huge difference

Also yes, someone would have made something equivalent, but the point is that they did not, and DOS, Windows dominated and still do, all gaming

Ps3 has a DX9 video card and code base that evolved along with windows and DOS, even the CPU is that way aside the SPUs maybe

No. Sony completely dominated two gens. Microsoft has barely came in 2nd in two gens. Microsoft is no where close to surpassing anyone in gaming.

No. Sony completely dominated two gens. Microsoft has barely came in 2nd in two gens. Microsoft is no where close to surpassing anyone in gaming.

Shadow2k6

I take it "barely" = 5 million?

[QUOTE="Shadow2k6"]

No. Sony completely dominated two gens. Microsoft has barely came in 2nd in two gens. Microsoft is no where close to surpassing anyone in gaming.

Modern_Unit

I take it "barely" = 5 million?

The 100+ million gap that the PS2 held over the Xbox last gen makes a 5 million gap look very insignificant.

No.

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[QUOTE="Shadow2k6"]

No. Sony completely dominated two gens. Microsoft has barely came in 2nd in two gens. Microsoft is no where close to surpassing anyone in gaming.

Shadow2k6

I take it "barely" = 5 million?

The 100+ million gap that the PS2 held over the Xbox last gen makes a 5 million gap look very insignificant.

to be fair its still a gap...thats happening

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[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] At the same state, no, but don't be too delusional. If MS didn't make dos, someone else would have made something equivalent (well, in fact, MS didn't make dos, they ripped it off, but that's another matter). Also, keep in mind, windows may be rather important to PC gaming, but it's only about as important to it as DVDs are to 360 gaming, and we're not about to call 360 a Sony platform simply because they have a controlling stake in DVD now are we. DerekLoffin

You can get DVDs from any company, but windows just from MS, there is a huge difference

Also yes, someone would have made something equivalent, but the point is that they did not, and DOS, Windows dominated and still do, all gaming

Ps3 has a DX9 video card and code base that evolved along with windows and DOS, even the CPU is that way aside the SPUs maybe

You dont depend on Sony for the DVD, you can get it from any company

But you depend on Windows from MS, you cant play all games fine without them and only them

And all gaming revolves around MS, if it was not MS to unite harwdare and software in one roof, we would probably never have got so far in either software or hardware, we would be years behind, with companies fighting which standard to use and all research would go to extending standrds that would later not be used, resulting in far lower hardware efficiency in the end due to focus on other things

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

You can get DVDs from any company, but windows just from MS, there is a huge difference

Also yes, someone would have made something equivalent, but the point is that they did not, and DOS, Windows dominated and still do, all gaming

Ps3 has a DX9 video card and code base that evolved along with windows and DOS, even the CPU is that way aside the SPUs maybe

theseekar

You dont depend on Sony for the DVD, you can get it from any company

But you depend on Windows from MS, you cant play all games fine without them and only them

And all gaming revolves around MS, if it was not MS to unite harwdare and software in one roof, we would probably never have got so far in either software or hardware, we would be years behind, with companies fighting which standard to use and all research would go to extending standrds that would later not be used, resulting in far lower hardware efficiency in the end due to focus on other things

Give it up, you can try and equate PC with MS all day and night and none of with brains are buying it. I'm not going to be bother arguing with you though as you cleared are the clearest example of mule headed.DerekLoffin

Funny to say that, when 99% of gamers use Windows

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]If releasing the most faulty hardware in recent gaming history and pulling the wool over the consumers eyes with a waranty extension and new chipsets is doing very well...I guess your right.bphan

That's just the thing. Even with the RROD, they've managed to do very well.