In the end: The Wii will have more AAAs

1) Its a new interface. Developers are just scratching the surface with what they can do. Gamers are also getting used to the new style of gameplay.

2) Developers will flock to the Wii once the userbase is more than that of the Xbox/PS3 combined.

3) Since games for the Wii cost less money to make, developers will be able to build upon a concept. For Example: Redsteel flopped but given time they will get it right.

4) Nintendo always delivers with first party software.

2) Developers will flock to the Wii once the userbase is more than that of the Xbox/PS3 combined.

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1) Its a new interface. Developers are just scratching the surface with what they can do. Gamers are also getting used to the new style of gameplay.

2) Developers will flock to the Wii once the userbase is more than that of the Xbox/PS3 combined.

3) Since games for the Wii cost less money to make, developers will be able to build upon a concept. For Example: Redsteel flopped but given time they will get it right.

4) Nintendo always delivers with first party software.

 

BlueBarad

Not true. At all.

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

1) Its a new interface. Developers are just scratching the surface with what they can do. Gamers are also getting used to the new style of gameplay.

2) Developers will flock to the Wii once the userbase is more than that of the Xbox/PS3 combined.

3) Since games for the Wii cost less money to make, developers will be able to build upon a concept. For Example: Redsteel flopped but given time they will get it right.

4) Nintendo always delivers with first party software.

 

IAmRodyle

Not true. At all.

1) Its a new interface. Developers are just scratching the surface with what they can do. Gamers are also getting used to the new style of gameplay.

2) Developers will flock to the Wii once the userbase is more than that of the Xbox/PS3 combined.

3) Since games for the Wii cost less money to make, developers will be able to build upon a concept. For Example: Redsteel flopped but given time they will get it right.

4) Nintendo always delivers with first party software.

 

BlueBarad

Do you honestly believe that? Even if they do, they have no reason to put huge amounts of effort into games because even the worst games on the Wii sell.  

My guess is that it won't, but it is possible.

Devs aren't flocking to the Wii just yet but if they do get some great 3rd party titles that'd be pretty cool. No More Heroes is looking great, probably the best 3rd party game coming I think. 

Which explains the absolute abundance of Wii AAA titles and total lack of 360 AAAs.. oh wait a sec.._Stuff_

They have had 7 months with a complete new interface as oposed to lets say 10 years.... 

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

1) Its a new interface. Developers are just scratching the surface with what they can do. Gamers are also getting used to the new style of gameplay.

2) Developers will flock to the Wii once the userbase is more than that of the Xbox/PS3 combined.

3) Since games for the Wii cost less money to make, developers will be able to build upon a concept. For Example: Redsteel flopped but given time they will get it right.

4) Nintendo always delivers with first party software.

 

Endfinal

Do you honestly believe that? Even if they do, they have no reason to put huge amounts of effort into games because even the worst games on the Wii sell.

There are a lot more causuals gamers than "us" and I do think that they will outnumber us. And according to your logic God of War 2 would not be such a good game as it is.

[QUOTE="Endfinal"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

1) Its a new interface. Developers are just scratching the surface with what they can do. Gamers are also getting used to the new style of gameplay.

2) Developers will flock to the Wii once the userbase is more than that of the Xbox/PS3 combined.

3) Since games for the Wii cost less money to make, developers will be able to build upon a concept. For Example: Redsteel flopped but given time they will get it right.

4) Nintendo always delivers with first party software.

 

BlueBarad

Do you honestly believe that? Even if they do, they have no reason to put huge amounts of effort into games because even the worst games on the Wii sell.

There are a lot more causuals gamers than "us" and I do think that they will outnumber us. And according to your logic the PS2 would never have released God of War 2.

God of War 2 is a first party title and the developers are already owned by Sony. So I don't know what you are trying to say.  

[QUOTE="_Stuff_"]Which explains the absolute abundance of Wii AAA titles and total lack of 360 AAAs.. oh wait a sec..BlueBarad

They have had 7 months with a complete new interface as oposed to lets say 10 years.... 

Xbox 360 had a brand new complex GPU/CPU to learn, and it still managed fine. Wii fans always say the PS3 and Xbox 360 are a nightmare to program for, and will make costs skyrocket, and the Wii was SO EASY, that developers will flock to it.

This is basically the same song and dance from the Sheep crowd. They keep saying devs will flock to it for over 7 months (before Wii launch). How many more times will this be used? And this doesnt matter, Rockstar will continue to make GT4 and even GTA5 on Xbox 360/PS3 only. And Capcom will make RE5, and probably RE6 exclusively for PS3/Xbox 360 only.

There is no evidence of developers flocking to Wii and abandoning Xbox 360/PS3. (outside of that Wii article, which didnt even state which developers were going to Wii anyways.)

God of War 2 is a first party title and the developers are already owned by Sony. So I don't know what you are trying to say. Endfinal

That it was not worth the effort...they could have just rehashed GoW 1 because the userbase is so large. 

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

1) Its a new interface. Developers are just scratching the surface with what they can do. Gamers are also getting used to the new style of gameplay.

2) Developers will flock to the Wii once the userbase is more than that of the Xbox/PS3 combined.

3) Since games for the Wii cost less money to make, developers will be able to build upon a concept. For Example: Redsteel flopped but given time they will get it right.

4) Nintendo always delivers with first party software.

 

IAmRodyle

Not true. At all.

Umm... WHAT?

1) Its a new interface. Developers are just scratching the surface with what they can do. Gamers are also getting used to the new style of gameplay.

2) Developers will flock to the Wii once the userbase is more than that of the Xbox/PS3 combined.

3) Since games for the Wii cost less money to make, developers will be able to build upon a concept. For Example: Redsteel flopped but given time they will get it right.

4) Nintendo always delivers with first party software.

 

BlueBarad

sure its fun to go over a friends house and play wii sports for a few hours, or have mom play tennis or uncle bob come over for a game of bowling. but 1s u buy the system and have it a month or two it getts very boring,the wii mote becomes older then mario himself!!! 

1) Its a new interface. Developers are just scratching the surface with what they can do. Gamers are also getting used to the new style of gameplay.

2) Developers will flock to the Wii once the userbase is more than that of the Xbox/PS3 combined.

3) Since games for the Wii cost less money to make, developers will be able to build upon a concept. For Example: Redsteel flopped but given time they will get it right.

4) Nintendo always delivers with first party software.

 

BlueBarad

1) The new interface has lowered the score of more games then not so far.

2) The majority of AAA development is not on the Wii for the foreseeable future so the 360 will have an unsurmountable lead in a year or two. By then we will be starting to move towards next gen.

3) So far devs have just spent less time on Wii games not tried to make them better

4) Thats like 5-10 good games at most.

Popularity is not a guarantee of high-quality games - especially if your audience is content with titles like Wii Play, Cooking Mama, and Mario Party 8. Quality titles are the result of large development budgets, time, talent, and an audience that demands a high quality game.

In the time since the PS2's launch, the PC has had more AAA titles than the PS2 - quantity does not guarantee quality. An even less hardcore system (the Wii) having more AAAs? Don't count on it - even if it has twice as many AAAs as the Gamecube it will still be in last place (AAA count wise).
subrosian

I agree popularity does not equate to better games. But developers look for Return on Investment. They will go where they think they have a better chance of making more money for what is invested. Budgets, Talent, Time are all allocated with that in mind. If a Wii game cost half to make with the same userbase they will go there. Right now developers are going with the safe bet, which are the rehashes from older games. Once the Wii starts to pick up they will allocate accordingly. 

[QUOTE="IAmRodyle"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

1) Its a new interface. Developers are just scratching the surface with what they can do. Gamers are also getting used to the new style of gameplay.

2) Developers will flock to the Wii once the userbase is more than that of the Xbox/PS3 combined.

3) Since games for the Wii cost less money to make, developers will be able to build upon a concept. For Example: Redsteel flopped but given time they will get it right.

4) Nintendo always delivers with first party software.

 

Firelore29

Not true. At all.

Umm... WHAT?

It's just a tad bit exaggeration...

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Popularity is not a guarantee of high-quality games - especially if your audience is content with titles like Wii Play, Cooking Mama, and Mario Party 8. Quality titles are the result of large development budgets, time, talent, and an audience that demands a high quality game.

In the time since the PS2's launch, the PC has had more AAA titles than the PS2 - quantity does not guarantee quality. An even less hardcore system (the Wii) having more AAAs? Don't count on it - even if it has twice as many AAAs as the Gamecube it will still be in last place (AAA count wise).
BlueBarad

I agree popularity does not equate to better games. But developers look for Return on Investment. They will go where they think they have a better chance of making more money for what is invested. Budgets, Talent, Time are all allocated with that in mind. If a Wii game cost half to make with the same userbase they will go there. Right now developers are going with the safe bet, which are the rehashes from older games. Once the Wii starts to pick up they will allocate accordingly.

Allocate according to what? Quality as I define it? We're in a zero-sum game as far as development dollars on concerned, those are funded by the *previous* game releases. If, as a developer, I see that minigames are selling well, I'm not suddenly going to develop, say, a deep turn-based JRPG on the Wii, unless I predict a market.

By its very nature, the Wii is selling to people who don't demand those kind of games, when it comes to allocating dollars, fewer and fewer studios will bother. There will still be *some* who do, based on a niche of hardcore gamers on the Wii, but as most "hardcore" gamers will also own other platforms, those hardcore titles on the Wii will be playing to an "only owns the Wii niche" if they want a game that doesn't have to compete with the likes of Halo 3, Bioshock, and Mass Effect.

I don't see it - the Wii audience isn't going to have a sudden shift in taste, the vast majority of Wii owners aren't demanding those titles, making it a small market. Creating a product for a niche that doesn't exist leads to disasters like the N-Gage.
subrosian

I understand what you are saying and agree with you that Wii games are not in the same category with the likes of Mass Effect, Bioshock and so forth. The depth, graphics, online capabilities of a Wii game will never compare to that of a 360 or a PS3 and that is agreed. But that is not what makes a game AAA.

By that logic Warioware would not be a AAA game and so wouldn't Zelda everywhere else except here. And by the same logic every 360/PS3 game when compared to a Wii game would score higher.

All I am saying is that, in terms of numbers, Raw AAA Scores, I think that the Wii will have more. Not because games look better or have more depth but because developers will come up with new ways to play with the system. The bar on the other systems in being pushed higher and higher. Resistance is probably "better" than Super Paper Mario, yet it scored lower.

Maybe the Wii doesn't belong in the same category when comparing to the other 2 systems. Maybe we are comparing Apples to Oranges.

By the way, the N-Gage didn't have 1/3 the software support that Nintendo puts behind their products.

Not going to happen. TrueReligion_

Isn't this what everyone said back in 2006 when Rabid Nintendo fanboys said Nintendo would take the Market back...

Woops...

Im not saying this is going to happen... just that it is possible.

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Not going to happen. GundamGuy0

Isn't this what everyone said back in 2006 when Rabid Nintendo fanboys said Nintendo would take the Market back...

Woops...

Im not saying this is going to happen... just that it is possible.

Back then they also said all games will automatically look 2-3 times better than RE4 because they are building on top of 5 years of Gamecube experience. Also, they said a majority of developers would flock to Wii and leave Xbox 360/PS3 because 360/PS3 is too expensive to produce games for and too complicated.

And now here it is, the PS3/Xbox 360 are getting more exclusive big name titles than their are Wii exclusives. Xbox 360 has over 60 exclusives now.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Not going to happen. PhoebusFlows

Isn't this what everyone said back in 2006 when Rabid Nintendo fanboys said Nintendo would take the Market back...

Woops...

Im not saying this is going to happen... just that it is possible.

Back then they also said all games will automatically look 2-3 times better than RE4 because they are building on top of 5 years of Gamecube experience. Also, they said a majority of developers would flock to Wii and leave Xbox 360/PS3 because 360/PS3 is too expensive to produce games for and too complicated.

And now here it is, the PS3/Xbox 360 are getting more exclusive big name titles than their are Wii exclusives. Xbox 360 has over 60 exclusives now.

I don't know where your getting that from... because they have been tons of Wii games annouced this year... and like 5 Xbox 360 and PS3 games... I mean there have been over 50 untitled games said to be in development by 3rd party developers for the Wii... 

Your right about the graphics... no one would have expected for developers to just port there PS2 offerings.  

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Popularity is not a guarantee of high-quality games - especially if your audience is content with titles like Wii Play, Cooking Mama, and Mario Party 8. Quality titles are the result of large development budgets, time, talent, and an audience that demands a high quality game.

In the time since the PS2's launch, the PC has had more AAA titles than the PS2 - quantity does not guarantee quality. An even less hardcore system (the Wii) having more AAAs? Don't count on it - even if it has twice as many AAAs as the Gamecube it will still be in last place (AAA count wise).
subrosian

I agree popularity does not equate to better games. But developers look for Return on Investment. They will go where they think they have a better chance of making more money for what is invested. Budgets, Talent, Time are all allocated with that in mind. If a Wii game cost half to make with the same userbase they will go there. Right now developers are going with the safe bet, which are the rehashes from older games. Once the Wii starts to pick up they will allocate accordingly.

New interface =/= AAA unless gamespot is under the influence of N's RDF and gimmicks. Which would be sad.NobuoMusicMaker

New Interface + More development time + Innovation + Immagination - Your Biased Opinion = More AAAs 

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]New interface =/= AAA unless gamespot is under the influence of N's RDF and gimmicks. Which would be sad.BlueBarad

New Interface + More development time + Innovation + Immagination - Your Biased Opinion = More AAAs

Seriously need to get over your head that when something is new, it's not automatically good.  Because that argument can be put in for traditional interface so Wii is actually nothing special. 

i got a Wii for nintendo games, i don't expect any miracles like AAA game poping out of large dev house other than nintendo for the Wii.

 Atm its raining crap games, it seems like Nintendo are testing whether their fanboys are actually breakable because if they can't lose their hardcore audience with this effort i don't think they ever will.

The last Zelda game .... wtf was that? OoT backwards with shiny bits. Miyamoto blames a shrinking audience for epics for poor the performance of TP in Japan, maybe it was crap Miyamoto.

well anyhow as long as the audience permits it shabby publishers like ubisoft will have their way with the system blowing as much

worthless sterile efforts as they can into the library. Sorry but in the end no nintendo system will have AAA games with this mantra they've adopted.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Popularity is not a guarantee of high-quality games - especially if your audience is content with titles like Wii Play, Cooking Mama, and Mario Party 8. Quality titles are the result of large development budgets, time, talent, and an audience that demands a high quality game.

In the time since the PS2's launch, the PC has had more AAA titles than the PS2 - quantity does not guarantee quality. An even less hardcore system (the Wii) having more AAAs? Don't count on it - even if it has twice as many AAAs as the Gamecube it will still be in last place (AAA count wise).
jg4xchamp

I agree popularity does not equate to better games. But developers look for Return on Investment. They will go where they think they have a better chance of making more money for what is invested. Budgets, Talent, Time are all allocated with that in mind. If a Wii game cost half to make with the same userbase they will go there. Right now developers are going with the safe bet, which are the rehashes from older games. Once the Wii starts to pick up they will allocate accordingly.

Be careful! There's something complex... you can learn magic spells so you can shoot fire a blobs... c'mon. As far as them making a sequel to Nights, that pisses me off more tha makes me smile. Why not remake Chrono Trigger too? You can't bring back what these series were. A Nights that isn't an artistic original or a technical achievement? Then...umm... what is it?

Take a look at the sales numbers, the Wii owner are buying casual titles, that's what sells, that's what developers will make for the Wii. It's just sad, the small handful of Wii owners who appreciate hardcore titles aren't going to be getting a lot of selection because they're drowned out by a mass of "non-gamers" and casuals.

Developers have flocked to the Nintendo DS, but I believe the PSP still has more AAA's?

It'll be the same deal here. Developers looking for a quick buck ARE going to flock to the Wii, but the good developers who want to make the best game they can with the best hardware are going to go PC/360/PS3, therefore more AAA's on those platforms.

PC will probably come out on top, with 360 second, unless Sony does something massively awesome somehow.