In theory what can the Wii handle?

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"]Julian Eggebrecht knows more about hardware and is far less biased about it than Robbie Bach, so Im going to go for Mr. E on this one.Teufelhuhn

He hardly is. Its obvious for a dev to hype the system they are developping for. But this is only to some extent obviously. But like I said, we'll see what Factor 5 has up its sleeve when it comes to the Wii when they show their new game to the public.

Its obvious for a dev to hype the system they are developping for.
Can-o-Mark

[QUOTE="prodiqy32"] wht do sheep try to use screenshots to prove everything? gran touurismo 4. that is all i have to say. its not a few colorful balls in space.zaku101

GT4 however does look better than any Wii game.

First of all, how in game are those screenshots? Here are some screenshots I found:

And second, the third screenshot isnt even a fake GT4 screen.

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"]

Its obvious for a dev to hype the system they are developping for.
Teufelhuhn

First of all, its very possible they ported the engine over to the Wii. SE did the same thing with FF-XIIIs engine, this does in no way mean the game itself is possible on the Wii. And second he's just talking about the shader effects and such.

[QUOTE="zaku101"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"] wht do sheep try to use screenshots to prove everything? gran touurismo 4. that is all i have to say. its not a few colorful balls in space.Can-o-Mark

GT4 however does look better than any Wii game.

First of all, how in game are those screenshots? Here are some screenshots I found:

And second, the third screenshot isnt even a fake GT4 screen.

The difference is your looking at gameplay I am looking at replays in game. The replays actually look a lot better than you driving. Also ya I think shot 3 is fake, but when I searched GT4 I got it.

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"]

First of all, how in game are those screenshots? Here are some screenshots I found:

And second, the third screenshot isnt even a fake GT4 screen.

zaku101

The difference is your looking at gameplay I am looking at replays in game. The replays actually look a lot better than you driving. Also ya I think shot 3 is fake, but when I searched GT4 I got it.

Call me crazy, but the only graphics I really care about are the graphics I control.

Theory does you no good if it can't be converted into reality. Proof of that in the graphics of most wii games.

Theory does you no good if it can't be converted into reality. Proof of that in the graphics of most wii games.

youngtongue

Thats quite right! Theres not much proof on the Wii's capabilities so asking on how theoretically how powerfull it can be is a good 2nd best.

Those graphics of GT4 are not actual footage. I have got both GT3 and 4 and those shots dont compare to actual gameplay graphics. I've seen 1st hand that GT4 graphics where nice but they where grainy at best and not even close to as smooth as those graphics even attempt to make out.

Any title which is a Sony title i dont beleive graphics untill i see actual gameplay as Sony has the tendancy to release fake footage of there games.

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="JuarN18"]

Smash bros use the havok engine used in Half-life 2 for the physics

princeofshapeir

Exactly. The Wii is noticeably above last-gen, haters need to learn this.

but, half life 2 is last gen.\

Half-Life 2 was also the best-looking game of last-gen... And the Wii can handle a bit more than that.

[QUOTE="Cheazie"]Would it be tough to create a engine which pushed the Wii to its full potential or close from scratch which more developers could use as a building block for future games? XaosII

Any engine that pushes hardware near its limits is fundamentally tied to a style of gameplay. Its the reason why the Unreal Engine is constantly used for shooters and action games, but you've never seen, say, an RTS or racing game based on the Unreal Engine.

So while, yes, its certainly possible to make an engine that maximizes the Wii's output, there would have to be several different engines in order for developers to reap the most benefits for the type of game they are making. Creating a single engine is an expensive, multi year project. Creating several for the Wii? Thats not realistic.

thats not really as true as it used to be anymore. look at the origonal unreal engine...it was used in RPGs, action adventures, pinball and a few other genres. and that was the UE1 engine. these days engines are becoming more flexible..developers can simply replace parts of the code with other parts to get the engine to behave a bit differently. there becoming more modular in their design so that devs can literally swap bits in and out with less hassle and stress. we already have the UE3 engine doing a tactical 3rd person shooter (which also had a driving section that was pretty good), an online first person shooter and an RPG. theres even a few devs getting it for MMOs now.

engines used to be tied to genres quite a bit but thats not really as true anymore. the engine is more of a platform that the game runs on rather than an integral part of the games design. i wouldnt be surprised at all to see a RTS or a hack and slasher game using the UE3.

Why compare the Wii graphics with the PS2 graphics???? Sheep state that the Wii is a true next-gen system and not a minor upgrade of the Gamecube therefore it has to be compared to PS3 & Xbox360...

I respect Nintento but to all fanboys just accept the fact that Wii cannot handle true next-gen engines and games... Otherwise Burnout Paradise, COD4, Unreal III, DMC4, Assasins Creed etc etc which are multiplats would have been ported on Wii...

So no, Wii is a good console and its fun, but its totally inferior when it comes to hardware specs, which makes it a semi next-gen console...

[QUOTE="prodiqy32"]

i honestly question if it can outdo rhe PS2. gran tourismo 4 kills everything on the WII. looking at it from my point of veiw. its a gamecube with a new controller. it has shown nothing in terms of textures and large streaming worlds like the original xbox could do. mario galaxy looks great but the textures are plain. metroid prime 3 is the same way. zelda tp has great textures that look like smears unless you have a componant cable, then its pixilated.

the wii is weak. ive seen better on the dreamcast.

Cheazie

Funny that Resident Evil 1 basically looked better than everything on the PS2 even to this day when new releases are still coming on out! So if a old GC game is capable of out doing a PS2 game then its easy enough to say the Wii can. Oh and RE:UC is probaly the best looking Wii that comes to mind which has nothing even slightly close can be compared to it by the DC.

Besides were not on about how far the DC or PS2 can be pushed but the *WII*.

The resident evil games (with the exception of resident evil 4) backgrounds are all pre rendered with hardly any moving parts (thats why the you cant change the view). Its like they stuck a photo on the background and all the gamecubes power is going into the character models (which arn't even that great).

The wii is just an overclocked gamecube. Its ridiculous to say it can run the source engine. We havnt seen any games in the same league as half life2 on the wii. Devs are working with old gamecube hardware inside the wii so theres no excuse for them to get all the power they need early in the wii's life. Wouldn't games be using the source engine or doom 3 engine if the wii could handle it?

[QUOTE="Cheazie"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]

i honestly question if it can outdo rhe PS2. gran tourismo 4 kills everything on the WII. looking at it from my point of veiw. its a gamecube with a new controller. it has shown nothing in terms of textures and large streaming worlds like the original xbox could do. mario galaxy looks great but the textures are plain. metroid prime 3 is the same way. zelda tp has great textures that look like smears unless you have a componant cable, then its pixilated.

the wii is weak. ive seen better on the dreamcast.

tifaz

Funny that Resident Evil 1 basically looked better than everything on the PS2 even to this day when new releases are still coming on out! So if a old GC game is capable of out doing a PS2 game then its easy enough to say the Wii can. Oh and RE:UC is probaly the best looking Wii that comes to mind which has nothing even slightly close can be compared to it by the DC.

Besides were not on about how far the DC or PS2 can be pushed but the *WII*.

The resident evil games (with the exception of resident evil 4) backgrounds are all pre rendered with hardly any moving parts (thats why the you cant change the view). Its like they stuck a photo on the background and all the gamecubes power is going into the character models (which arn't even that great).

The wii is just an overclocked gamecube. Its ridiculous to say it can run the source engine. We havnt seen any games in the same league as half life2 on the wii. Devs are working with old gamecube hardware inside the wii so theres no excuse for them to get all the power they need early in the wii's life. Wouldn't games be using the source engine or doom 3 engine if the wii could handle it?

The think the Wii is capable of running something like Crysis at 120 fps. XenoNinja

hehe good one !!! I pity these Wii fanboys though, because they bash those who got the PS3 (like myself) and spent more money, when they got a CHEAPER console... But in their case Wii is not cheaper in money, its also EXTREMELY CHEAP/POOR in hardware specs and games library... Because it has 3 - 4 worth titles but the rest, well uummm, is crap...

Its not the price you pay or the amount of games... Its about quality, I really want to see if Wii stands tall next year when its games will truly begin to show their inferior graphical quality.. (already showing it but I give them another year so the devs will utilise its 'true' power.. pppffff )

:)

The think the Wii is capable of running something like Crysis at 120 fps. XenoNinja

it is called sarcasm

Actually RE:CVX had no prerendered backdrops. Yes you do have a point on prerendered backdrops!! It was still the best looking game on the GC by far though. I doubt that all the power went into character models i really do as that would seem like a exaguration.

I suppose the best example of graphical power is probaly RE4 as its multiplatform. Weird how it goes Wii>GC>PS2 but people still would rather deny this fact.

Now why are we still on the debate of what the PS2 can do! GT is not a Nintendo game nor can it be compared to any Nintendo game as the Wii at the current moment in time has no racing game as of the likes of GT. The debate was about the potential of the Wii and fanboys bring in stupid comments like "GT looks better cuz i sed so Nubz". Lets get back onto the debate of in theory what the Wii can do as the local muppets seems to wanna derail a conversation and change it into another Flame-A-Thon with dumb comments which they can join in with.

Given the fact that the Wii has very similar specs as the original Xbox it can most likely handle games that look as good as Ninja Gaiden or Chronicles of Riddick (Escape from Butcher Bay).

However that kind of graphical potential has not yet been tapped into on the Wii by the dev's yet, don't know really what their waiting for they've had the Wii dev kit for over a year and right now the Wii has the largest number in sales so, maybe Nintendo is simply not approving certain 3rd party titles due to certain genres or gore....who knows ? your guess is as good as mine...but the fact remains that even if they produced a game that looked as good as Xbox's Ninja Gaiden it still would be considered last gen quality so you can't really win either way with that fact looming over your head.

Given the fact that the Wii has very similar specs as the original Xbox it can most likely handle games that look as good as Ninja Gaiden or Chronicles of Riddick (Escape from Butcher Bay).

However that kind of graphical potential has not yet been tapped into on the Wii by the dev's yet, don't know really what their waiting for they've had the Wii dev kit for over a year and right now the Wii has the largest number in sales so, maybe Nintendo is simply not approving certain 3rd party titles due to certain genres or gore....who knows ? your guess is as good as mine...but the fact remains that even if they produced a game that looked as good as Xbox's Ninja Gaiden it still would be considered last gen quality so you can't really win either way with that fact looming over your head.

PS3nut

Basically we know that the wii is based on gamecube hardware so we know it can do at least what the gamecube has done. Theres no excuse for devs not 'tapping into the power of the wii'. Theres no extroadinary technology behind it, its based on a console released last gen. All i now know is that i havnt seen a wii game surpass high end xbox titles (technically speaking, not artistically) such as halo 2. I think its safe to say : ps2

[QUOTE="PS3nut"]

Given the fact that the Wii has very similar specs as the original Xbox it can most likely handle games that look as good as Ninja Gaiden or Chronicles of Riddick (Escape from Butcher Bay).

However that kind of graphical potential has not yet been tapped into on the Wii by the dev's yet, don't know really what their waiting for they've had the Wii dev kit for over a year and right now the Wii has the largest number in sales so, maybe Nintendo is simply not approving certain 3rd party titles due to certain genres or gore....who knows ? your guess is as good as mine...but the fact remains that even if they produced a game that looked as good as Xbox's Ninja Gaiden it still would be considered last gen quality so you can't really win either way with that fact looming over your head.

tifaz

Basically we know that the wii is based on gamecube hardware so we know it can do at least what the gamecube has done. Theres no excuse for devs not 'tapping into the power of the wii'. Theres no extroadinary technology behind it, its based on a console released last gen. All i now know is that i havnt seen a wii game surpass high end xbox titles (technically speaking, not artistically) such as halo 2. I think its safe to say : ps2

sorry i meant : Its safe to say ps2>gamecube>wii>xbox. Take call of duty 3 for example...it looks terrible on the wii and there was no excuse for devs not to max out the wii's hardware

hmm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoAij8jRoOE

dare you say thats not next gen?

kthnxbai.

hmm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoAij8jRoOE

dare you say thats not next gen?

kthnxbai.

zymn1

Hmmm..next gen?...really? In the same league as crysis, gears and bioshock???

[QUOTE="PS3nut"]

Given the fact that the Wii has very similar specs as the original Xbox it can most likely handle games that look as good as Ninja Gaiden or Chronicles of Riddick (Escape from Butcher Bay).

However that kind of graphical potential has not yet been tapped into on the Wii by the dev's yet, don't know really what their waiting for they've had the Wii dev kit for over a year and right now the Wii has the largest number in sales so, maybe Nintendo is simply not approving certain 3rd party titles due to certain genres or gore....who knows ? your guess is as good as mine...but the fact remains that even if they produced a game that looked as good as Xbox's Ninja Gaiden it still would be considered last gen quality so you can't really win either way with that fact looming over your head.

tifaz

Basically we know that the wii is based on gamecube hardware so we know it can do at least what the gamecube has done. Theres no excuse for devs not 'tapping into the power of the wii'. Theres no extroadinary technology behind it, its based on a console released last gen. All i now know is that i havnt seen a wii game surpass high end xbox titles (technically speaking, not artistically) such as halo 2. I think its safe to say : ps2

Exactly and one cannot hide behind the fact that Wii graphics are not next-gen, by stating Wii games take a more artistic approach on looks... ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, Okami have great artistic designs apart from being also technically a marvel (specially Team ICO's games), but I'd be crazy to compare them to Uncharted / R&C future tools of destruction for the PS3 because I DO know that as much as I loved those games on my PS2 and still do, graphically they cannot compete with what PS3 has to offer.. On the other side Super Mario Sunshine of Gamecube and Super Mario Galaxy on the Wii, I see only a minor improvement on graphics... Compare GT4 on the PS2 with GT5 on PS3 and you get the picture... Also what are you hoping devs will find if they utilise all Wii's power that they end up running games such as Far Cry2, Crysis or Burnout Paradise at 60fps ????

We may see Wii games lookin' like launch 360 games by the end of this gen.elektrixxx

People actually think the Wii is capable of this?






Sorry... but no :lol:PullTheTricker

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]The think the Wii is capable of running something like Crysis at 120 fps. Malta_1980

hehe good one !!! I pity these Wii fanboys though, because they bash those who got the PS3 (like myself) and spent more money, when they got a CHEAPER console... But in their case Wii is not cheaper in money, its also EXTREMELY CHEAP/POOR in hardware specs and games library... Because it has 3 - 4 worth titles but the rest, well uummm, is crap...

Its not the price you pay or the amount of games... Its about quality, I really want to see if Wii stands tall next year when its games will truly begin to show their inferior graphical quality.. (already showing it but I give them another year so the devs will utilise its 'true' power.. pppffff )

:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5v4ROiIHh8&fmt=18

You were saying?

I can't say in terms of technical capacity, but when I see games like SSBB, and Zelda, I see good looking games. Albeit they don't exactly look like Crysis or anything. But the system is quite capable in my eyes, it's just a shame that too many devs see it as a cash cow, and don't put enough effort into making the games look as good as they could...Exeed_Orbit

I don't think anyone in this thread has the technical knowledge to answer this as anything more than, "more than a last gen console, less than a 360/PS3" or some hardcore fanboy/hater answer like, "PS1".Senor_Kami

Not everyone has conceded that the Wii is capable of exceeding the Xbox... I think there's a pretty sizeable debate about that, and there isn't enough proof one way or another yet to indicate which is more powerful.

I think we will truly be able to see what the Wii is capable of when Factor 5 releases their new Wii game. They have a strong history of getting the most out of the Wii's hardware.Popadophalis

Anything seen last gen

Unreal 3 engine

Elder Scrolls engine

That square engine.. don't remember the name..

VideoGameGuy

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]

Smash bros use the havok engine used in Half-life 2 for the physics

princeofshapeir

Exactly. The Wii is noticeably above last-gen, haters need to learn this.

Sorry to rain on yore already bad parade, but Half-life 2 ran on the xbox just fine(30 fps is alright) and I bet that it can run on the Wii just fine as well, Gabe even said himself that he likes the Wii and is interested on working on it.
tader-salad

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]I don't think anyone in this thread has the technical knowledge to answer this as anything more than, "more than a last gen console, less than a 360/PS3" or some hardcore fanboy/hater answer like, "PS1".Itinerant_Voice

Not everyone has conceded that the Wii is capable of exceeding the Xbox... I think there's a pretty sizeable debate about that, and there isn't enough proof one way or another yet to indicate which is more powerful.

Look at the Conduit, then compare that to shooters like Half Life 2DivergeUnify

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Look at the Conduit, then compare that to shooters like Half Life 2thegoldenpoo

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Look at the Conduit, then compare that to shooters like Half Life 2DivergeUnify

The wii can't run half life 2. Period.Soulja_West

In theory what can the Wii handle? Cheazie

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"][QUOTE="Devil-Itachi"]

It can indeed.. The Gamecube even pushed the boundaries of what the Xbox can do.

princeofshapeir

but until it proves it like, until something lookes better than dead or alive 3 or ninja gaiden black i dont believe it

Brawl and Galaxy say "Hi".

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

but until it proves it like, until something lookes better than dead or alive 3 or ninja gaiden black i dont believe it

UnamedThing

Brawl and Galaxy say "Hi".

The Conduit says hi too.