Indie Dev: 'Unlike Microsoft, Nintendo Will Still Be Around In 100 Years'

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Longstanding indie games developer Lorne Lanning, who founded Oddworld Inhabitants and created the '90s hit Abe's Oddysee, believes Nintendo has the staying power to remain in business for another 100 years.

"When I look at the history of Nintendo I say Nintendo is going to be here in one hundred years. I have no doubt," Lanning told Venturebeat.

"I doubt Microsoft will be here in one hundred years. I know Zynga won't be here in one hundred years. I've been here longer than Zynga."

Nintendo was founded 124 years ago in 1889 yet the corporation has managed to adapt and offer new ideas and products across different times. One of its most prosperous periods came long into the company's history, with the original Wii selling 11 million units worldwide in the October, November and December of 2009.

Despite widespread scepticism regarding the prospects of the Wii U, Nintendo carries about £6 billion in cash on its books and appears to have no debt - a suggestion that there is no major financial risks attached to the company.

Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter recently claimed that Nintendo's Wii U was at "the bottom of a huge mountain, with a huge uphill climb". He added that rival next-gen systems, such as Xbox Oneand PS4, will only intensify Nintendo's challenge.

Yet the Nintendo 3DS - a console which also had clouds of doubt hang over it - has managed to outsell the Xbox 360 and PS3 in the UK andacross the US, while the 3DS software sales are outperforming the competition too.

Lanning, who has gained a reputation as a passionate and outspoken games industry professional, was one of the eight indie developers spotlighted during Sony's E3 press conference.

Weeks later he made headlines by claiming that independent games developers "do not matter to Microsoft". In his most recent interview, Lanning said Microsoft will still be in business in 100 years' time too, but added that Nintendo chief executive, Satoru Iwata, has a business ethos which appeals to him.

"Iwata came out and said people were asking him 'when are you gonna lay off your development staff?' I don't remember exactly what he said, but it was basically, 'laying off development is not going to solve our problems. Building great games is what we do and we're going to continue doing it'.

"When he said that, in my opinion, he was immortalised in the creative community. I would work with him in a second. When a man in that type of position, in a world where the golden rule is the rule and that's what's expected at public companies, he stood up and said that's not what we're about. We're about building great stuff. We have great people to build great stuff. We're gonna do that."CVG

This is something people fail to understand. This is something they should have understood after the Gamecube era. A single console is a flash in a pan for Nintendo. The company has repeatedly made comebacks from adverse odds (NES, N64, Nintendo DS, Wii, 3DS), and one console's 'failure' will not spell dom for a company valued higher than Sony, and for a company with the most steady and ensured revenue stream out of all three thanks to its ensured properties such as Mario and Pokemon.

More importantly, remember that when a Nintendo system faces adverse odds is when it has the best library- see also: N64, Gamecube, 3DS.

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#2 RR360DD
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LOL indie opinion
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[Quote="CVG"]

Longstanding indie games developer Lorne Lanning, who founded Oddworld Inhabitants and created the '90s hit Abe's Oddysee, believes Nintendo has the staying power to remain in business for another 100 years.

"When I look at the history of Nintendo I say Nintendo is going to be here in one hundred years. I have no doubt," Lanning told Venturebeat.

"I doubt Microsoft will be here in one hundred years. I know Zynga won't be here in one hundred years. I've been here longer than Zynga."

Nintendo was founded 124 years ago in 1889 yet the corporation has managed to adapt and offer new ideas and products across different times. One of its most prosperous periods came long into the company's history, with the original Wii selling 11 million units worldwide in the October, November and December of 2009.

Despite widespread scepticism regarding the prospects of the Wii U, Nintendo carries about £6 billion in cash on its books and appears to have no debt - a suggestion that there is no major financial risks attached to the company.

Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter recently claimed that Nintendo's Wii U was at "the bottom of a huge mountain, with a huge uphill climb". He added that rival next-gen systems, such as Xbox Oneand PS4, will only intensify Nintendo's challenge.

Yet the Nintendo 3DS - a console which also had clouds of doubt hang over it - has managed to outsell the Xbox 360 and PS3 in the UK andacross the US, while the 3DS software sales are outperforming the competition too.

Lanning, who has gained a reputation as a passionate and outspoken games industry professional, was one of the eight indie developers spotlighted during Sony's E3 press conference.

Weeks later he made headlines by claiming that independent games developers "do not matter to Microsoft". In his most recent interview, Lanning said Microsoft will still be in business in 100 years' time too, but added that Nintendo chief executive, Satoru Iwata, has a business ethos which appeals to him.

"Iwata came out and said people were asking him 'when are you gonna lay off your development staff?' I don't remember exactly what he said, but it was basically, 'laying off development is not going to solve our problems. Building great games is what we do and we're going to continue doing it'.

"When he said that, in my opinion, he was immortalised in the creative community. I would work with him in a second. When a man in that type of position, in a world where the golden rule is the rule and that's what's expected at public companies, he stood up and said that's not what we're about. We're about building great stuff. We have great people to build great stuff. We're gonna do that."charizard1605

This is something people fail to understand. This is something they should have understood after the Gamecube era. A single console is a flash in a pan for Nintendo. The company has repeatedly made comebacks from adverse odds (NES, N64, Nintendo DS, Wii, 3DS), and one console's 'failure' will not spell dom for a company valued higher than Sony, and for a company with the most steady and ensured revenue stream out of all three thanks to its ensured properties such as Mario and Pokemon.

More importantly, remember that when a Nintendo system faces adverse odds is when it has the best library- see also: N64, Gamecube, 3DS.

Best library Gamecube? No.
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#4 Blabadon
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inb4 BUT THE SHEEP KING Still, I'd bet MS is still in the gaming industry in a century.
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LOL indie opinionRR360DD
Lemmings last gen, when Microsoft still had a lead on indie developers: 'indie games are the future! Indie developers are the best ones! Enjoy playing your AAA rehashes!' Lemmings this gen, when Microsoft has largely ditched indie developers: 'LOL indie developers'
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LOL indie opinionRR360DD

 

lol this.

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[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] Best library Gamecube? No.

It's one of the best libraries for a Nintendo system is what I meant, not relative to the PS2 lol. Sorry, I should have been clearer. [QUOTE="Blabadon"]inb4 BUT THE SHEEP KING Still, I'd bet MS is still in the gaming industry in a century.

Nope. Once they have achieved what they entered the gaming industry to do- to get a Trojan horse into the living room- they'll be out faster than you can say RROD.
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#8 Blabadon
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when it has the best library- 3DS.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]when it has the best library- 3DS.

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Sounds like butthurt to me :cool:

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So true. Nintendo is the pioneer among developers, first and foremost, console hardware is second.
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It's true.
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#13 RR360DD
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I doubt Nintendo will be able to keep up now, they've started an awful trend of being a generation behind, not just in graphics but in user experience too. If they lay off 75% of their staff and cater to maybe 20 million hardcore nintedolts worldwide then they'll survive just fine.
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#14 menes777
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NES - Success

SNES - Huge Success

N64 - Abysmal Failure

Gamecube - Mediocre Success

Wii - Overwhelming success

Wii U - So far following in the footsteps of the N64

 

Gameboy (only one I know about) - Overwhelming success

But having said that a company can cease to exist in less than a decade and MS has more than it's gaming division so it's doubtful it will fail before Ninty will.

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NES - Success

SNES - Huge Success

N64 - Abysmal Failure

Gamecube - Mediocre Success

Wii - Overwhelming success

Wii U - So far following in the footsteps of the N64

 

Gameboy (only one I know about) - Overwhelming success

But having said that a company can cease to exist in less than a decade and MS has more than it's gaming division so it's doubtful it will fail before Ninty will.

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How in the world is the Nintendo 64 an abysmal failure, and the Gamecube a mediocre success?
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still sucking that Nintendo boob.

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I really dont care how long a company has been around for...

A good company to me means one that delivers the products and services that I want at a price I am willing to pay...its resally that simple.

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I can't wait for Ocarina of Time 114th Anniversary edition and Newest Newer New Super Mario Bros. 18.
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#19 GravityX
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And that why indie devs should not have free reign, the're crazy.

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#20 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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still sucking that Nintendo boob.

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yeah....indie opinion....

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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]LOL indie opinioncharizard1605
Lemmings last gen, when Microsoft still had a lead on indie developers: 'indie games are the future! Indie developers are the best ones! Enjoy playing your AAA rehashes!' Lemmings this gen, when Microsoft has largely ditched indie developers: 'LOL indie developers'

:|

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#23 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

still sucking that Nintendo boob.

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One boob more than you are sucking

what's that? can you get Nintendo's d*ck out of your mouth, I can't understand you.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]LOL indie opinionCaseyWegner

Lemmings last gen, when Microsoft still had a lead on indie developers: 'indie games are the future! Indie developers are the best ones! Enjoy playing your AAA rehashes!' Lemmings this gen, when Microsoft has largely ditched indie developers: 'LOL indie developers'

:|

AAA the industry term, not the metagame term, Casey.
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]LOL indie opinioncharizard1605
Lemmings last gen, when Microsoft still had a lead on indie developers: 'indie games are the future! Indie developers are the best ones! Enjoy playing your AAA rehashes!' Lemmings this gen, when Microsoft has largely ditched indie developers: 'LOL indie developers'

I thought better of you charizard. You know for a fact its yay indies still except for a choice few morons that have been bribed with free ps4 development kits.
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Fish's heir?
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Lemmings last gen, when Microsoft still had a lead on indie developers: 'indie games are the future! Indie developers are the best ones! Enjoy playing your AAA rehashes!' Lemmings this gen, when Microsoft has largely ditched indie developers: 'LOL indie developers'charizard1605

:|

AAA the industry term, not the metagame term, Casey.

i don't think i ever saw anybody say that.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

:|

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AAA the industry term, not the metagame term, Casey.

i don't think i ever saw anybody say that.

they aren't even saying the later part now its still yay indie devs but we point out moron indie devs.
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lol..........Nintendo.

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[QUOTE="menes777"]

NES - Success

SNES - Huge Success

N64 - Abysmal Failure

Gamecube - Mediocre Success

Wii - Overwhelming success

Wii U - So far following in the footsteps of the N64

 

Gameboy (only one I know about) - Overwhelming success

But having said that a company can cease to exist in less than a decade and MS has more than it's gaming division so it's doubtful it will fail before Ninty will.

charizard1605

How in the world is the Nintendo 64 an abysmal failure, and the Gamecube a mediocre success?

In terms of hardware the N64 was the best at the time, but it was completely overshadowed by the PS1.  I think in terms of best game I think Ninty did very well but they were just so beat up over having an abysmal lineup (from 3rd party) and then had so many disappointments (remember the 64DD??).  The gamecube while not doing as good as it's successor didn't do as bad as it's predecessor.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] I thought better of you charizard. You know for a fact its yay indies still except for a choice few morons that have been bribed with free ps4 development kits.

Don't worry, I pick on everyone equally now. Don't be surprised if you see me using the same argument against cows in a thread a few minutes from now :) [QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] what's that? can you get Nintendo's d*ck out of your mouth, I can't understand you.

Still more action than you are getting
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I can't see that being true. Nintendo can't seem to learn to adjust to anything, and they have been a generation behind for awhile now. Their online system as a whole is in shambles, on the WiiU and the 3DS's is a joke, especially with the lack of saved content to an online profile. I mean that's one of the most basic things about any infrastructure.

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He hates MS, so this should be taken with a grain of salt.

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I can't see that being true. Nintendo can't seem to learn to adjust to anything, and they have been a generation behind for awhile now. Their online system as a whole is in shambles, on the WiiU and the 3DS's is a joke, especially with the lack of saved content to an online profile. I mean that's one of the most basic things about any infrastructure.

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I mean, essentially you are repeating the same arguments that were made in 1991, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2011, and now 2013. They're not going anywhere, not anytime soon. The sooner people accept this, the better.
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[QUOTE="TwistedShade"]

I can't see that being true. Nintendo can't seem to learn to adjust to anything, and they have been a generation behind for awhile now. Their online system as a whole is in shambles, on the WiiU and the 3DS's is a joke, especially with the lack of saved content to an online profile. I mean that's one of the most basic things about any infrastructure.

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I mean, essentially you are repeating the same arguments that were made in 1991, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2011, and now 2013. They're not going anywhere, not anytime soon. The sooner people accept this, the better.

The difference is now we're in 2013 and Nintendo still can't get a grasp of how online gaming works. That says a company that can't even grasp basic concept's and fails to execute them. Not to mention the WiiU's launch and the following months have been a trainwreck, because Nintendo failed to get enough games out in time, even though they stated they wouldn't repeat the mistakes of the 3DS. That to be says a company that not only can't hold their own word true, but also can't learn from their own mistakes.

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and in 100 years they will still be releasing the same mario games. :lol:

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As companies in general, or as game companies? If you honestly think Microsoft will be gone before Nintendo (in general), well that is just another breed of stupid.
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and in 100 years they will still be releasing the same mario games. :lol:

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I gotta love when your nintendo circle jerk threads back fire.

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and in 100 years they will still be releasing the same mario games. :lol:

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I'm cool with that.

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[QUOTE="Blabadon"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]when it has the best library- 3DS.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="TwistedShade"]

I can't see that being true. Nintendo can't seem to learn to adjust to anything, and they have been a generation behind for awhile now. Their online system as a whole is in shambles, on the WiiU and the 3DS's is a joke, especially with the lack of saved content to an online profile. I mean that's one of the most basic things about any infrastructure.

TwistedShade

I mean, essentially you are repeating the same arguments that were made in 1991, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2011, and now 2013. They're not going anywhere, not anytime soon. The sooner people accept this, the better.

The difference is now we're in 2013 and Nintendo still can't get a grasp of how online gaming works. That says a company that can't even grasp basic concept's and fails to execute them. Not to mention the WiiU's launch and the following months have been a trainwreck, because Nintendo failed to get enough games out in time, even though they stated they wouldn't repeat the mistakes of the 3DS. That to be says a company that not only can't hold their own word true, but also can't learn from their own mistakes.

And yet, still pull the f*** through. IS it really that hard to grasp?

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#43 APiranhaAteMyVa
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no, Nintendo will become irrelevant in a couple of gens unless they team up with somebody. Technology will move beyond the dedicated console/handheld, and Nintendo won't be able to join the mobile or tablet market without being laughed out of it. Sony and Microsoft are set ready for any tech changes as they tend to be involved with most.
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Not sure about that statement. 100 years is a long time especially with how fast we are moving nowadays.

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#45 FoxbatAlpha
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Didn't Hitler say the 3rd Reich would be around for 1000 years. Hmmm. See where I'm going on this?

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#46 nintendoboy16
Member since 2007 • 42250 Posts
no, Nintendo will become irrelevant in a couple of gens unless they team up with somebody. Technology will move beyond the dedicated console/handheld, and Nintendo won't be able to join the mobile or tablet market without being laughed out of it. Sony and Microsoft are set ready for any tech changes as they tend to be involved with most.APiranhaAteMyVa
It never honestly occurred to you that this is the same Nintendo who ran love hotels and manufactured playing cards and that, if gaming fails on them, they'll leave and find another industry?
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#47 AznbkdX
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[QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"]no, Nintendo will become irrelevant in a couple of gens unless they team up with somebody. Technology will move beyond the dedicated console/handheld, and Nintendo won't be able to join the mobile or tablet market without being laughed out of it. Sony and Microsoft are set ready for any tech changes as they tend to be involved with most.nintendoboy16
It never honestly occurred to you that this is the same Nintendo who ran love hotels and manufactured playing cards and that, if gaming fails on them, they'll leave and find another industry?

Time according to change is not linear. This idea of them living for so long which automatically gives them a pass into the next century is absurd.

They may survive, but its not out of the realm of possibility that they will merge into another company, die off, or go to another business like you said.

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#48 Cyberdot
Member since 2013 • 3928 Posts

Never seen the appeal in Nintendo.

But I gotta admit that I've had good times with the N64 and GameBoy, but that's it, so the brand is realistically for kids.

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#49 Blabadon
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Didn't Hitler say the 3rd Reich would be around for 1000 years. Hmmm. See where I'm going on this?

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I can't wait for Ocarina of Time 114th Anniversary edition and Newest Newer New Super Mario Bros. 18.Lyphe2k

Works for Capcom...