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#1 mitu123
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What I got from Eurogamer:

Eurogamer: Is it an easier job because you're PlayStation 3 exclusive and you're focusing on just one platform?

Bruce Oberg: From the engineering side it definitely is. It's easier. I used to work at Microsoft years ago, and I worked on Word - maybe you've heard of it? We made Windows and Mac versions. It was very complex. Being able to optimise everything for the Cell processor, for the RSX, gives us a lot more freedom to be creative artistically. We don't have to worry about testing for the limitations of some other platform. I don't think we could make this game, from a technical perspective, on any other console or any other platform.

Eurogamer: By saying that you mean you couldn't make it for the Xbox 360. Why do you say that?

Bruce Oberg: We're using so much more of the Cell processors now, I just don't know if other platforms have the horsepower to pull it off. At the end of inFamous 1 we were using 30 per cent of the Cell processors at any one time. Now we're creeping up over 50 and 60 per cent, because we know how to put things on to the Cell processors. I don't know where we'd go if we were on some other platform.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-09-27-sucker-punch-talks-infamous-2-interview

Hmm, he could be right, it does look great after all.

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#2 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Everytime a new PS3 exclusive is released, the decs say that :roll: It's almost like clockwork now.
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#3 drspudz
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It's always some PR BS. Besides, the guy probably doesn't know a thing about the 360 tech.
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Everytime a new PS3 exclusive is released, the decs say that :roll: It's almost like clockwork now.charizard1605
One day they might be right.

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#5 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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He didn't say it cant be done, he said he cant do it due to lack of knowledge of the 360's hardware.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Everytime a new PS3 exclusive is released, the decs say that :roll: It's almost like clockwork now.mitu123

One day they might be right.

I'm holding out for it myself, but as it stands now, I'll see it when I believe it. So far, I have seen no game that could not have been done on the Xbox 360.
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#7 Zodetak
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Now your hereing it from the dev's mouth's, and lemmings will still deni that the cell is any good.

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#8 FIipMode
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I don't see where he said that, he did say that they don't think they could themselves on another console.

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#9 Silverbond
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You betcha. If devs are to be believed, then every PS3 exclusive is only possible on PS3.

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Now your hereing it from the dev's mouth's, and lemmings will still deni that the cell is any good.

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You're hearing from Sony that a Sony product is superior? Unbelievable! :shock:
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#11 PAL360
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He didn't say it cant be done, he said he cant do it due to lack of knowledge of the 360's hardware.

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This seems about right. Every 360 and PS3 game could be done in the other system wuth enough dedication.

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#12 deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
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I think people are not quite getting this, he's lead on by the interviewer into this statement and never really states it can't be done on 360, just that they "wouldn't know where to start". Right now no, this is possible on the 360, towards the ends of the gen once the hardware is truely mastered we shall see..
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#13 mitu123
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He didn't say it cant be done, he said he cant do it due to lack of knowledge of the 360's hardware.

toast_burner
And no knowledge means it can't be done on it yet.

You betcha. If devs are to be believed, then every PS3 exclusive is only possible on PS3.

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Well, they make the games, we don't, and they are taking more advantage of the PS3 after all.
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

He didn't say it cant be done, he said he cant do it due to lack of knowledge of the 360's hardware.

PAL360

This seems about right. Every 360 and PS3 game could be done in the other system wuth enough dedication.

And sacrifices most likely.D=

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What I got from Eurogamer:

Eurogamer: Is it an easier job because you're PlayStation 3 exclusive and you're focusing on just one platform?

Bruce Oberg: From the engineering side it definitely is. It's easier. I used to work at Microsoft years ago, and I worked on Word - maybe you've heard of it? We made Windows and Mac versions. It was very complex. Being able to optimise everything for the Cell processor, for the RSX, gives us a lot more freedom to be creative artistically. We don't have to worry about testing for the limitations of some other platform. I don't think we could make this game, from a technical perspective, on any other console or any other platform.

Eurogamer: By saying that you mean you couldn't make it for the Xbox 360. Why do you say that?

Bruce Oberg: We're using so much more of the Cell processors now, I just don't know if other platforms have the horsepower to pull it off. At the end of inFamous 1 we were using 30 per cent of the Cell processors at any one time. Now we're creeping up over 50 and 60 per cent, because we know how to put things on to the Cell processors. I don't know where we'd go if we were on some other platform.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-09-27-sucker-punch-talks-infamous-2-interview

Hmm, he could be right, it does look great after all.

mitu123

Please, this is PR BS. Not possible on the PC? LOL

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#16 kate_jones
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I like infamous, but it is not a pretty game. Hopefully infamous 2 is graphically improved. I don't think he was intending to mean the xbox or pc couldn't do infamous 2

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#17 Miroku32
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Again the same stuff? So, in other words, no ps3 exclusive can be done on the 360.
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PS3 Exclusives are better for more or less the same reason that the multiplats are bad. Different architecture.
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we are years into this gen and developers still feel the need to tell us this? come on..we get it already.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Everytime a new PS3 exclusive is released, the decs say that :roll: It's almost like clockwork now.

and still no 360 exclusive can match the graphics of Uncharted 2 so he may be right
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Everytime a new PS3 exclusive is released, the decs say that :roll: It's almost like clockwork now.KevinButlerVP
and still no 360 exclusive can match the graphics of Uncharted 2 so he may be right

Because there ARE no 36 exclusives, or too little for any of them to be optimized ;)
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I think it's pretty textbook now for all developer's that make an exclusive on PS3 that the game couldn't be done on any other platform

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]nunovlopes

Please, this is PR BS. Not possible on the PC? LOL

PC won't run it properly because the game may not be optimized for it.
we are years into this gen and developers still feel the need to tell us this? come on..we get it already.lawlessx
They're trying to spread the word to everyone it seems, getting old though.
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#25 theuncharted34
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well it does look alot better than crackdown 2 :o

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#26 mitu123
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well it does look alot better than crackdown 2 :o

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Even some 2007 games look better than that.XD

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

He didn't say it cant be done, he said he cant do it due to lack of knowledge of the 360's hardware.

PAL360

This seems about right. Every 360 and PS3 game could be done in the other system wuth enough dedication.

Some people just don't know when to stop... 30-40% I dunno if i believe that... Maybe they just mean the SPE's as a lot fo games just drop all the work to raw processing rather than "Smart" processing using the SPE's... Who knows but i aint taking his word for it.
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More PR garbage that the Cows will be quoting for centuries :roll:
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#29 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

He didn't say it cant be done, he said he cant do it due to lack of knowledge of the 360's hardware.

mitu123

This seems about right. Every 360 and PS3 game could be done in the other system wuth enough dedication.

And sacrifices most likely.D=

Well, it would work for both sides. Im pretty sure Reach wouldnt look better on PS3, just diferent.

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More PR garbage that the Cows will be quoting for centuries :roll:CuteCakes
well graphics on the PS3 are better than on the 360 so it's probably true especially because this guy has had experience with MS
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I think it's pretty textbook now for all developer's that make an exclusive on PS3 that the game couldn't be done on any other platform

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Yes it is.
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[QUOTE="CuteCakes"]More PR garbage that the Cows will be quoting for centuries :roll:KevinButlerVP
well graphics on the PS3 are better than on the 360 so it's probably true especially because this guy has had experience with MS

Did he work in the mail room? :roll:
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More PR garbage that the Cows will be quoting for centuries :roll:CuteCakes

arn't you the guy who said blue dragon was a graphics king? lol

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#34 nunovlopes
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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Please, this is PR BS. Not possible on the PC? LOL

mitu123

PC won't run it properly because the game may not be optimized for it.

If the game is not optimized then it's the developer's fault, not the PC. Any console game can be made better on the PC, it is just a matter of knowing the platform. It is naive and ignorant to say "This game could only be made on the PS3". What he actually means is "the PS3 is the only platform we have expertise in, so we couldn't make it work on any other platform because we lack the skills".

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#35 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

This seems about right. Every 360 and PS3 game could be done in the other system wuth enough dedication.

PAL360

And sacrifices most likely.D=

Well, it would work for both sides. Im pretty sure Reach wouldnt look better on PS3, just diferent.

Reach might have more going on for the PS3 if they were to take advantage of the SPEs and maybe could use MLAA, I know 360 could do MLAA but it relies on the CPU more than the GPU and 360 is better at GPU than CPU so the best it can do is AAA.

Yeah, it'll be different.:P

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[QUOTE="CuteCakes"]More PR garbage that the Cows will be quoting for centuries :roll:theuncharted34

arn't you the guy who said blue dragon was a graphics king? lol

I never said Blue Dragon was "graphics king" O_o I said it has good & underrated graphics. Spot the difference.
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#37 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Please, this is PR BS. Not possible on the PC? LOL

nunovlopes

PC won't run it properly because the game may not be optimized for it.

If the game is not optimized then it's the developer's fault, not the PC. Any console game can be made better on the PC, it is just a matter of knowing the platform. It is naive and ignorant to say "This game could only be made on the PS3". What he actually means is "the PS3 is the only platform we have expertise in, so we couldn't make it work on any other platform because we lack the skills".

You know, the same thing happened with Star Wars The Force Unleashed, in how the devs say PC couldn't handle it, and it comes to PC years later not optimized, yep, it's all the devs fault.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

Everytime a new PS3 exclusive is released, the decs say that :roll: It's almost like clockwork now.charizard1605
One day they might be right.

I'm holding out for it myself, but as it stands now, I'll see it when I believe it. So far, I have seen no game that could not have been done on the Xbox 360.

i dont think alot of people realize that both consoles have 512mb or space in memory, its not exactly easy to improve that... you might be able to optimize code to get it to run better but for the most part everything on screen never goes over that 512mb limit. So you eventually have to just shift resources around, if you take away one thing do you get up enough somewhere else to make up for it? I think in ps3's case it might lead a little in physics since thats something that wouldn't take up much more memory, same with lighting effects sinces its all processor heavy
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[QUOTE="CuteCakes"]More PR garbage that the Cows will be quoting for centuries :roll:KevinButlerVP
well graphics on the PS3 are better than on the 360 so it's probably true especially because this guy has had experience with MS

this guy made word and complained about cross development with mac... its not like word is a performance hog...
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#40 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

PC won't run it properly because the game may not be optimized for it.mitu123

If the game is not optimized then it's the developer's fault, not the PC. Any console game can be made better on the PC, it is just a matter of knowing the platform. It is naive and ignorant to say "This game could only be made on the PS3". What he actually means is "the PS3 is the only platform we have expertise in, so we couldn't make it work on any other platform because we lack the skills".

You know, the same thing happened with Star Wars The Force Unleashed, in how the devs say PC couldn't handle it, and it comes to PC years later not optimized, yep, it's all the devs fault.

well in the case of the pc... you have ridiculously better hardware to work with, you just have to optimize it for the lower end people... if you can run it on a console that effectivly has a 7800 or 1800 I think anythign beyond that should sing... you know ati's 2k, 3k, 4k, 5k series of cards that have been seeling since 360 came out...
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Everytime a new PS3 exclusive is released, the decs say that :roll: It's almost like clockwork now.charizard1605

One day they might be right.

I'm holding out for it myself, but as it stands now, I'll see it when I believe it. So far, I have seen no game that could not have been done on the Xbox 360.

Your very un-educated on gaming consoles, Bluray discs allow more space for games and better in-game graphics, Microsoft uses usual dvds that simplyare not as powerful as a bluray disc when it comes to size and graphics. Sad but true, those are facts.

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#42 mitu123
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="mitu123"] One day they might be right.

savagetwinkie

I'm holding out for it myself, but as it stands now, I'll see it when I believe it. So far, I have seen no game that could not have been done on the Xbox 360.

i dont think alot of people realize that both consoles have 512mb or space in memory, its not exactly easy to improve that... you might be able to optimize code to get it to run better but for the most part everything on screen never goes over that 512mb limit. So you eventually have to just shift resources around, if you take away one thing do you get up enough somewhere else to make up for it? I think in ps3's case it might lead a little in physics since thats something that wouldn't take up much more memory, same with lighting effects sinces its all processor heavy

True, but I know about the 512 MB RAM, it's the GPU and CPU that shows their differences in the consoles and the games are proof of this.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="mitu123"] One day they might be right.

ErkiB

I'm holding out for it myself, but as it stands now, I'll see it when I believe it. So far, I have seen no game that could not have been done on the Xbox 360.

Your very un-educated on gaming consoles, Bluray discs allow more space for games and better in-game graphics, Microsoft uses usual dvds that simplyare not as powerful as a bluray disc when it comes to size and graphics. Sad but true, those are facts.

yep one thing that stores ones and zeros is more "powerful" than something else that stores ones and zeros. :lol:

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="mitu123"] One day they might be right.

ErkiB

I'm holding out for it myself, but as it stands now, I'll see it when I believe it. So far, I have seen no game that could not have been done on the Xbox 360.

Your very un-educated on gaming consoles, Bluray discs allow more space for games and better in-game graphics, Microsoft uses usual dvds that simplyare not as powerful as a bluray disc when it comes to size and graphics. Sad but true, those are facts.

Weird how so many games on the PC, that look far superior to console games, ship on DVDs.

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[QUOTE="ErkiB"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I'm holding out for it myself, but as it stands now, I'll see it when I believe it. So far, I have seen no game that could not have been done on the Xbox 360.Raymundo_Manuel

Your very un-educated on gaming consoles, Bluray discs allow more space for games and better in-game graphics, Microsoft uses usual dvds that simplyare not as powerful as a bluray disc when it comes to size and graphics. Sad but true, those are facts.

Weird how so many games on the PC, that look far superior to console games, ship on DVDs.

Video cards?
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just like DMC4 and GTAIV.....oh wait

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just like DMC4 and GTAIV.....oh wait

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and VF5, Tekken 6 and Ghostbusters.
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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

just like DMC4 and GTAIV.....oh wait

CuteCakes
and VF5, Tekken 6 and Ghostbusters.

Yeah those games are possible on 360 because they had average looking gfx
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#50 mitu123
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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

just like DMC4 and GTAIV.....oh wait

CuteCakes

and VF5, Tekken 6 and Ghostbusters.

Entirely the devs fault, there's no reason they should had been like that.:lol:

Could had been equal if they tried.