were pretty much universally loved before the individual news updates regarding MW2 - each one incrementally raising the hate metre. First we got the news of the EU price, then we got the news of the same length campaign, then day-one map packs and then the whole PC hoopla which killed it. Messageboards were rejoicing over the release of COD4 and now they spit at it. Lulz
Infinity Ward
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Yep. Seems like everyday they announce yet another denied feature.
Um universally loved? Dont think so. I for one never liked them. Some people were recently surprised by their insulting handling of the community...well this isnt really news. IW has always been an arrogant bunch just look at their view of Treyarch now and when World at War was being released.
were pretty much universally loved before the individual news updates regarding MW2 - each one incrementally raising the hate metre. First we got the news of the EU price, then we got the news of the same length campaign, then day-one map packs and then the whole PC hoopla which killed it. Messageboards were rejoicing over the release of COD4 and now they spit at it. Lulz
mr-krinkles
1. What is with the pricing of the EU versions? Never heard anything about that. Does that count AUS as well? Because it's $118 for the normal edition at Ebgames. It's also $118 for the hardened edition, strangely, as well.
2. What is so bad if the campaign is short? It comes with a robust online and it has co-op missions as well. From what i have seen from the Xbox 360 videos on youtube, it also has 4-player splitscreen versus. (Though, I'm not sure about the PS3 version, I hope it does as well =( )
3. Day-one map packs? Boo Hoo. Go hate on Dragon Age Origins then. Day-one map packs are just the same as special content in other editions of the game. Care to explain what you think the difference is then? Not to mention that you HAVE to pay and BUY those map packs. Seeing as their will be millions of people playing on the standard maps anyways, I don't see the problem.Also, where did they say day-one map packs? I heard otherwise.
4. PC gamers just need to grow up. Out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't. Any console gamer would understand that [not to mention that PC games are sold cheaper than console games]. For this point, just GET OVER IT.
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were pretty much universally loved before the individual news updates regarding MW2 - each one incrementally raising the hate metre. First we got the news of the EU price, then we got the news of the same length campaign, then day-one map packs and then the whole PC hoopla which killed it. Messageboards were rejoicing over the release of COD4 and now they spit at it. Lulz
mgs_freak91
1. What is with the pricing of the EU versions? Never heard anything about that. Does that count AUS as well? Because it's $118 for the normal edition at Ebgames. It's also $118 for the hardened edition, strangely, as well.
2. What is so bad if the campaign is short? It comes with a robust online and it has co-op missions as well. From what i have seen from the Xbox 360 videos on youtube, it also has 4-player splitscreen versus. (Though, I'm not sure about the PS3 version, I hope it does as well =( )
3. Day-one map packs? Boo Hoo. Go hate on Dragon Age Origins then. Day-one map packs are just the same as special content in other editions of the game. Care to explain what you think the difference is then? Not to mention that you HAVE to pay and BUY those map packs. Seeing as their will be millions of people playing on the standard maps anyways, I don't see the problem.Also, where did they say day-one map packs? I heard otherwise.
4. PC gamers just need to grow up. Out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't. Any console gamer would understand that [not to mention that PC games are sold cheaper than console games]. For this point, just GET OVER IT.
Oh ok Ill get over it, but when the next CoD uses the awesome online system of the Wii I hope youll just suck it up becouse the developers tell you options are bad for you.
where does it say day one dlc??KingBungieNowhere, people made it up because they said there would be DLC in their E3 presentation, and everyone went "OMG teh day 1 DLC, IW suck!!!" And so many people hated on them for that, even though it was never true, and then when Bioware do it everyone ignores it...hypocrites much.
Just wait till the 10th theres gonna be a firestorm in the media about the first level and that will just become worse in the UK on the 11th.Im being honest i can see it becoming the new Manhunt over here purely cause of that.
But the way IW and Acti's handling a lot of this isnt very good, especially with the PC gamers and various other things im fed up hearing anything bout the game i got it literally pushed in my face when i nearly bought borderlands by a gamestation employee saying "its the biggest game ever and your gonna pass on it" tbh with the hype i actually am sick to the back teeth at the sight of it.FFS its even advertised on the advertising hoarding at my usual bus stop in the morning for the past while.
Seriously im prolly not the only person sick to the back teeth hearing about it or seeing it already and its not even released...
[QUOTE="KingBungie"]where does it say day one dlc??bobbetybobNowhere, people made it up because they said there would be DLC in their E3 presentation, and everyone went "OMG teh day 1 DLC, IW suck!!!" And so many people hated on them for that, even though it was never true, and then when Bioware do it everyone ignores it...hypocrites much.
Sorry I didn't know it was a myth. I read it here on SW, should hav checked.
Somebody asked me about its pricing in the EU. In England, a high profile, newly released game usually goes for £40 at most retail outlets. MW2 is going for £50, so it's obviously pushing up the price boundary. If it's successful, which it's sure to be, we can expect other companies to do the same if they have a big enough name (e.g. a game like Halo 4).
4. PC gamers just need to grow up. Out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't. Any console gamer would understand that [not to mention that PC games are sold cheaper than console games]. For this point, just GET OVER IT.
mgs_freak91
I'd say Hermits have a legitimate reason to be pissed off, after all, COD started on the PC. Say what you want about not having dedicated servers, why did IW have to cap their graphics limitations? Having a max resolution of 720p on PC is a joke. It doesn't cost IW anything to allow that, for instance. Killing the modding community is just satanic.
You're right TC. Also add the whole patronising attitude towards Treyarch and the Wii, and you'll have summed up people's negativity toward IW admiraby well.were pretty much universally loved before the individual news updates regarding MW2 - each one incrementally raising the hate metre. First we got the news of the EU price, then we got the news of the same length campaign, then day-one map packs and then the whole PC hoopla which killed it. Messageboards were rejoicing over the release of COD4 and now they spit at it. Lulz
mr-krinkles
Thanks dude.
Nowhere, people made it up because they said there would be DLC in their E3 presentation, and everyone went "OMG teh day 1 DLC, IW suck!!!" And so many people hated on them for that, even though it was never true, and then when Bioware do it everyone ignores it...hypocrites much.[QUOTE="bobbetybob"][QUOTE="KingBungie"]where does it say day one dlc??mr-krinkles
Sorry I didn't know it was a myth. I read it here on SW, should hav checked.
Somebody asked me about its pricing in the EU. In England, a high profile, newly released game usually goes for £40 at most retail outlets. MW2 is going for £50, so it's obviously pushing up the price boundary. If it's successful, which it's sure to be, we can expect other companies to do the same if they have a big enough name (e.g. a game like Halo 4).
Most places are selling it for £40-45 actually and super markets will be selling it for even cheaper. I heard sainsburys will be selling it for £26 on release day lol and no Bungie wouldnt stab its fans in the back4. PC gamers just need to grow up. Out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't. Any console gamer would understand that [not to mention that PC games are sold cheaper than console games]. For this point, just GET OVER IT.mgs_freak91
Yeah, what babies.
Who cares if they're being forced to pay more for a severely cut down version. We should be all for teaching developers they can charge us for less, so they can remove user made content and dedicated servers.
Who cares the reason console games are more expensive is because of licensing fees Sony and Microsoft charge, and not because the PC is any harder to develop for (easier in fact).
They should just suck it up and allow Activision to exploit them; because a fanboy war on System Wars is more important than gamers stemming corporate greed.
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were pretty much universally loved before the individual news updates regarding MW2 - each one incrementally raising the hate metre. First we got the news of the EU price, then we got the news of the same length campaign, then day-one map packs and then the whole PC hoopla which killed it. Messageboards were rejoicing over the release of COD4 and now they spit at it. Lulz
rzepak
1. What is with the pricing of the EU versions? Never heard anything about that. Does that count AUS as well? Because it's $118 for the normal edition at Ebgames. It's also $118 for the hardened edition, strangely, as well.
2. What is so bad if the campaign is short? It comes with a robust online and it has co-op missions as well. From what i have seen from the Xbox 360 videos on youtube, it also has 4-player splitscreen versus. (Though, I'm not sure about the PS3 version, I hope it does as well =( )
3. Day-one map packs? Boo Hoo. Go hate on Dragon Age Origins then. Day-one map packs are just the same as special content in other editions of the game. Care to explain what you think the difference is then? Not to mention that you HAVE to pay and BUY those map packs. Seeing as their will be millions of people playing on the standard maps anyways, I don't see the problem.Also, where did they say day-one map packs? I heard otherwise.
4. PC gamers just need to grow up. Out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't. Any console gamer would understand that [not to mention that PC games are sold cheaper than console games]. For this point, just GET OVER IT.
Oh ok Ill get over it, but when the next CoD uses the awesome online system of the Wii I hope youll just suck it up becouse the developers tell you options are bad for you.
Downgrading from the online system for the PC to the online system of the Xbox 360 and the PS3, isn't that big. Online Systems could still be good even on the Wii. So what if you can't create your own servers? They are only doing this to fight piracy. Maybe if PC gamers didn't pirate games so much they wouldn't have done this. So really, you can go blame your friends and everyone else that plays on the PC. Don't tell me that non of your friends have never pirated a game, that would just be bull. Most PC gamers have pirated at some point in their life.
[QUOTE="mr-krinkles"]
were pretty much universally loved before the individual news updates regarding MW2 - each one incrementally raising the hate metre. First we got the news of the EU price, then we got the news of the same length campaign, then day-one map packs and then the whole PC hoopla which killed it. Messageboards were rejoicing over the release of COD4 and now they spit at it. Lulz
mgs_freak91
4. PC gamers just need to grow up. Out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't. Any console gamer would understand that [not to mention that PC games are sold cheaper than console games]. For this point, just GET OVER IT.
lulz, just because "we" don't enjoy having money extracted out our wallets like console gamers, "we" must get bashed.[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]4. PC gamers just need to grow up. Out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't. Any console gamer would understand that [not to mention that PC games are sold cheaper than console games]. For this point, just GET OVER IT.
Danm_999
Yeah, what babies.
Who cares if they're being forced to pay more for a severely cut down version. We should be all for teaching developers they can charge us for less, so they can remove user made content and dedicated servers.
Who cares the reason console games are more expensive is because of licensing fees Sony and Microsoft charge, and not because the PC is any harder to develop for (easier in fact).
They should just suck it up and allow Activision to exploit them; because a fanboy war on System Wars is more important than gamers stemming corporate greed.
I don't see what a "fanboy war on System Wars" has to do with anything we are discussing here. Unless you think that I am just attacking Hermits for that reason, which would make you completely wrong. PS gamers aren't entitled to anything. WHat are you talking about paying more? I live in Australia, where all gamers are freaking expensive, and COD: MW2 is like any other new released PC game, $100. The console versions being $120 each. Unless you think that because they got rid of Mod support and all that stuff it means that the game isn't worth the $100 that us Australians now play. Which is stupid on your part because it's just business. Ever heard of Mark-up. I guess buying anything is stupid because non of it is worth what the price is. We should just by everything to break-even with the retailers. Not to mention that it is the retail stores who set the prices on the games. The standard has become $120 here in Australia. Incase you're some high school teen who doesn't understand it still... Infinity Ward makes game -> Activision sells games for a price LESS than what you buy it for -> EBgames (my example of a retail store who bought copies of game) sets new price which YOU pay -> You purchase or not purchase. Unless you would like to tell me I am wrong with how I think. =S And you have proof. =P[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]
[QUOTE="mr-krinkles"]
were pretty much universally loved before the individual news updates regarding MW2 - each one incrementally raising the hate metre. First we got the news of the EU price, then we got the news of the same length campaign, then day-one map packs and then the whole PC hoopla which killed it. Messageboards were rejoicing over the release of COD4 and now they spit at it. Lulz
samuraiguns
4. PC gamers just need to grow up. Out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't. Any console gamer would understand that [not to mention that PC games are sold cheaper than console games]. For this point, just GET OVER IT.
lulz, just because "we" don't enjoy having money extracted out our wallets like console gamers, "we" must get bashed. The game is still $100, at my EB store, like any other PC game in Australia when released, other than a few exceptions. See my above post for everything else.[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]
4. PC gamers just need to grow up. Out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't. Any console gamer would understand that [not to mention that PC games are sold cheaper than console games]. For this point, just GET OVER IT.
mr-krinkles
I'd say Hermits have a legitimate reason to be pissed off, after all, COD started on the PC. Say what you want about not having dedicated servers, why did IW have to cap their graphics limitations? Having a max resolution of 720p on PC is a joke. It doesn't cost IW anything to allow that, for instance. Killing the modding community is just satanic.
They capped their graphics limitations because the game needs to be similar to the console versions. If you are really arguing that then I would like to see you argue against EVERY single PC/Console multiplat because they ALL limit the graphics to keep it the same. If that "graphics limitations" question was relating to the max resolution then be happy that you don't have native 600p like the console versions. I'm not denying that IW is making COD very casual and console friendly. But it doesn't make them evil. Developers have sometimes done it from the first game that they have ever created, it's only because COD is a fan favourite on the PC and because hermits think that they deserve more than what they pay for. If you don't like paying a certain amount for a game, go confront the retail place that you bought it from. It's just like petrol stations. The stations HAVE to tell the new price for their petrol for the day to every other station, making it so they CAN'T change it until the rival companies know about the new price. A retail store is going to have to keep their prices the same, reducing it so that they get more customers will lead to all other near by retailers to reduce it as well. Also why some locations say they wil reduce the price AND give a discout if you can bring proof of another retailer selling a similar product for cheaper.I don't see what a "fanboy war on System Wars" has to do with anything we are discussing here.mgs_freak91
Your post claims "out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't."
This topic might not originally have been about System Wars groups, you made it about them. By singling out a constructed group of gamers, and calling them undeserving, do you not see how you've made this into fanboys wars?
WHat are you talking about paying more? I live in Australia, where all gamers are freaking expensive, and COD: MW2 is like any other new released PC game, $100. mgs_freak91
A few things:
1) People are talking about the American RRP here; most PC games are $50, this one is $60.
2) I live in Australia too. $100 is overpriced for a PC game. Most retailers (EB, JB Hi FI), sell them at about $80-$90. COD4 being $100 is more than the average.
3) Factor in Steam, where games are about $40 AUD, and it's REALLY a rip off.
The console versions being $120 each. Unless you think that because they got rid of Mod support and all that stuff it means that the game isn't worth the $100 that us Australians now play.mgs_freak91
No, I think the increase in price isn't worth it considering the mod support and dedicated servers have gone.
I realize it's a trivial amount of money this time, I'm trying to stress what a disgusting practice it is because I'm expected to pay more for less.
Which is stupid on your part because it's just business. Ever heard of Mark-up. I guess buying anything is stupid because non of it is worth what the price is.mgs_freak91
No, buying something FOR MORE, that OFFERS LESS than its predecessor is stupid. Please stop running away with these wild tangents, I never claim buying anything is stupid.
We should just by everything to break-even with the retailers. Not to mention that it is the retail stores who set the prices on the games. mgs_freak91
The publishers sets the RRP...
The standard has become $120 here in Australia. mgs_freak91
Imagine if MW3 was released next year; it had no online and cost $130. Would you see the problem then?
Incase you're some high school teen who doesn't understand it still... Infinity Ward makes game -> Activision sells games for a price LESS than what you buy it for -> EBgames (my example of a retail store who bought copies of game) sets new price which YOU pay -> You purchase or not purchase. Unless you would like to tell me I am wrong with how I think. =S And you have proof. =P mgs_freak91
I want to ask why do you feel people are babies for being angry over price gouging?
You can blame Activision mostly. Infinity Ward sold their souls long ago. They no longer have independence. Greedy money grubbers are the independent ones now. The end of the day though it's the common stupid exploitable consumer thats at fault here(aka teh consolites).
Downgrading from the online system for the PC to the online system of the Xbox 360 and the PS3, isn't that big. Online Systems could still be good even on the Wii. So what if you can't create your own servers? They are only doing this to fight piracy. Maybe if PC gamers didn't pirate games so much they wouldn't have done this. So really, you can go blame your friends and everyone else that plays on the PC. Don't tell me that non of your friends have never pirated a game, that would just be bull. Most PC gamers have pirated at some point in their life. mgs_freak91
It is that big, even tho i'm gonna play cod:mw2 in ps3 its just really painful to see your ignorance, matchmaking is good, dedicated servers is GREAT, i wish we could have an option to use the ps3 as a dedicated server (as i think they have it for some psp's game) but forreal man, where did they ever say they did it because of piracy, they are just being greedy **** forreal man, wake up, this gotta stop. I mean i love cod and i'm gonna pick it up, but i really feel the pain for the pc gamers, If someone told me, I had to play a counter strike match thru matchmaking with a 100ms++ ping that would just piss the **** out of me, seeing i been playing counter strike for 8 years, but anyway enough of this nonsense, they shouldn't have done that, and yes IT IS that bad.
They are only doing this to fight piracy. mgs_freak91How does this fight piracy? Pirates play on cracked servers. It won't matter to them whether dedicated servers and mods are available or not. This change only affects legitimate customers. Please don't comment unless you understand what you're talking about.
Maybe if PC gamers didn't pirate games so much they wouldn't have done this. So really, you can go blame your friends and everyone else that plays on the PC. Don't tell me that non of your friends have never pirated a game, that would just be bull. Most PC gamers have pirated at some point in their life. mgs_freak91Again, why are they punishing legitimate customers for the sins of pirates, with a change that won't disadvantage pirates? They aren't. This move is being done so people won't make mods (and thus their DLC will sell better) and clans won't spend years on the game (and they can sell the next installment easier).
They are only doing this to fight piracy. mgs_freak91How does this fight piracy? Pirates play on cracked servers. It won't matter to them whether dedicated servers and mods are available or not. This change only affects legitimate customers. Please don't comment unless you understand what you're talking about. No, You should take your own advice. if it were so easy to just host your own server "illegally" no PC gamer would be complaining. You can not host your own servers because the game is constantly syncing with a 3d party system for matchmaking purposes. This extra system can not be spoofed. I just love to read consolites uninformed misunderstandings of hostings and servers.
They are only doing this to fight piracy. mgs_freak91How does this fight piracy? Pirates play on cracked servers. It won't matter to them whether dedicated servers and mods are available or not. This change only affects legitimate customers. Please don't comment unless you understand what you're talking about.
Maybe if PC gamers didn't pirate games so much they wouldn't have done this. So really, you can go blame your friends and everyone else that plays on the PC. Don't tell me that non of your friends have never pirated a game, that would just be bull. Most PC gamers have pirated at some point in their life. mgs_freak91Again, why are they punishing legitimate customers for the sins of pirates, with a change that won't disadvantage pirates? They aren't. This move is being done so people won't make mods (and thus their DLC will sell better) and clans won't spend years on the game (and they can sell the next installment easier). You can still play private matches as well as party games. Think Uncharted 2. So what if you don't have as much people playing due to a lower max of number of players in a match. Piracy comment. You don't have proof that it won't not help fight against piracy. I direct you to "hot114"'s post.
[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"] I don't see what a "fanboy war on System Wars" has to do with anything we are discussing here.Danm_999
Your post claims "out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't."
This topic might not originally have been about System Wars groups, you made it about them. By singling out a constructed group of gamers, and calling them undeserving, do you not see how you've made this into fanboys wars?
WHat are you talking about paying more? I live in Australia, where all gamers are freaking expensive, and COD: MW2 is like any other new released PC game, $100. mgs_freak91
A few things:
1) People are talking about the American RRP here; most PC games are $50, this one is $60.
2) I live in Australia too. $100 is overpriced for a PC game. Most retailers (EB, JB Hi FI), sell them at about $80-$90. COD4 being $100 is more than the average.
3) Factor in Steam, where games are about $40 AUD, and it's REALLY a rip off.
The console versions being $120 each. Unless you think that because they got rid of Mod support and all that stuff it means that the game isn't worth the $100 that us Australians now play.mgs_freak91
No, I think the increase in price isn't worth it considering the mod support and dedicated servers have gone.
I realize it's a trivial amount of money this time, I'm trying to stress what a disgusting practice it is because I'm expected to pay more for less.
Which is stupid on your part because it's just business. Ever heard of Mark-up. I guess buying anything is stupid because non of it is worth what the price is.mgs_freak91
No, buying something FOR MORE, that OFFERS LESS than its predecessor is stupid. Please stop running away with these wild tangents, I never claim buying anything is stupid.
We should just by everything to break-even with the retailers. Not to mention that it is the retail stores who set the prices on the games. mgs_freak91
The publishers sets the RRP...
The standard has become $120 here in Australia. mgs_freak91
Imagine if MW3 was released next year; it had no online and cost $130. Would you see the problem then?
Incase you're some high school teen who doesn't understand it still... Infinity Ward makes game -> Activision sells games for a price LESS than what you buy it for -> EBgames (my example of a retail store who bought copies of game) sets new price which YOU pay -> You purchase or not purchase. Unless you would like to tell me I am wrong with how I think. =S And you have proof. =P mgs_freak91
I want to ask why do you feel people are babies for being angry over price gouging?
1. I didn't mean to make this a fanboy war. So I do apologize for that! 2. As you live in Australia you would KNOW that MOST NEW PC games do get sold for $100. At least at Ebgames, which is one of the biggest retailers for video games! - Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising $98 - Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 $98 - Left 4 Dead 2 $108 - FIFA 10 $98 - Dragon Age: Origins $108 - etc. I'm not saying ALL PC games, but the majority do get priced at $100, with the console versions being higher - normally Xbox 360 = $110 and PS3 = $120 I'm not talking about US prices. It just goes to show that each country has different price sets. Does that mean that we Australians are getting MORE ripped off? Yes. But we can't do ANYTHING about it. Some countries have it for cheapers, some more expensive. Do countries with a cheaper price mean that they get the perfect price, that they get the price which is based on value? No. You can't compare them. We all have different prices which we find are the best. Most Xbox 360 gamers had no problem paying full price for ODST. FIFA gams are the same thing over and over and over again, they come out at same price over and over and over again. Hardly anyone complains about that either. Steam can't be factored into this. Might as well factor in XBL for Xbox gamers as well then. Again, does that mean that PS3 only gamers are getting the optimum price? Nope. 3. Not everyone hates paying $20 more for a game, we live through that sort of stuff every day when it comes to nearly everything. You don't complain when that new TV you bought goes down $1000 a year later. Then another TV, at the same price as the one that you bought yours for, comes out with heaps more features - are you pissed? Yes. Can you do anything about it? No. I'm not saying it sucks that IW has gotten rid features, that does suck, but hermits are complaining about it way to much. Again, not to make this a fanboy way, but you don't see console gamers going agro at anyone about it. Even when Modern Warfare, at least the first, was really a port from the Xbox 360 to the PC. This time, it started on the console. Have you EVER purchased a console game this gen? If so, why are you complaining about mods and dedicated servers? Basically ALL console games don't come with mod-support. Yet you buy them at a more expensive price. If anyone has purchased...Assassins Creed, you pay a lot of money, it doesn't even have online. Yet they buy it. 4. Look at previous dot points. Also, if you go look at prices now, the PC version of COD4 is STILL $100. Heck, $1 more. $99.83. At least according to the Ebgames.com.au site. 5. I know that Wikipedia is as credible as, well...a random person on the internet, ie. You or I. But... "The (manufacturer's) suggested retail price ((M)SRP), list price or recommended retail price (RRP) of a product is the price the manufacturer recommends that the retailer sell it for. The intention was to help to standardize prices among locations. While some stores always sell at, or below, the suggested retail price, others do so only when items are on sale or closeout." I would like to point out the word "recommended" in RRP. It doesn't mean that retailers can't set their prices lower, the second half of the quote tells that. I'm just saying... 6. Yes, I would see a problem in that. - MW3 being released one year after MW2. Though, another Call of Duty game is coming out next year anyways. - No Online - Value wise, $130 isn't worth it. BUT, now YOU have CHANGED everything. You are playing with "what ifs" which are bounds beyond belief. If we were to talk like that then their isn't any point in even thinking. What if I was to tell you that that GT6 comes out three days after GT5, with only 5 cars, 4 tracks, 2 songs, no title menu, and at the price of $120. My point is that you are stretching and going away from the topic at hand. I can do that with any game. It is useless. 7. I'm saying that PC gamers, expect more for less, AND if they had purchased ANY console game they would be use to it. The world isn't fair, people just need to suck it up SOMETIMES. I mean, what is 200,000 COD gamers going to prove? Nothing. Especially if it's 200,000 that complained, out of the millions of people that purchased the game. These views, and opinions are a minority compared to how many people are still going to buy the game.[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]Downgrading from the online system for the PC to the online system of the Xbox 360 and the PS3, isn't that big. Online Systems could still be good even on the Wii. So what if you can't create your own servers? They are only doing this to fight piracy. Maybe if PC gamers didn't pirate games so much they wouldn't have done this. So really, you can go blame your friends and everyone else that plays on the PC. Don't tell me that non of your friends have never pirated a game, that would just be bull. Most PC gamers have pirated at some point in their life. aldaris652
It is that big, even tho i'm gonna play cod:mw2 in ps3 its just really painful to see your ignorance, matchmaking is good, dedicated servers is GREAT, i wish we could have an option to use the ps3 as a dedicated server (as i think they have it for some psp's game) but forreal man, where did they ever say they did it because of piracy, they are just being greedy **** forreal man, wake up, this gotta stop. I mean i love cod and i'm gonna pick it up, but i really feel the pain for the pc gamers, If someone told me, I had to play a counter strike match thru matchmaking with a 100ms++ ping that would just piss the **** out of me, seeing i been playing counter strike for 8 years, but anyway enough of this nonsense, they shouldn't have done that, and yes IT IS that bad.
Ok. So...do you complain when you buy any online game which doesn't have dedicated servers? I don't think so.
Their reason for doing what they have done with dedicated servers and mods...
http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx
[sorry for it not being linked, I don't know how to link when quick quoting].
All IW has done is made the PC version like the console version. That is all. They are still getting the game for cheaper than the console version, in every country. I don't care about the US price, because it isn't the same as the AU price, etc. Some countries still have the same pricing as normal. Nothing to find negative. Hate your country then. I don't care. All IW did is put the "player experience above the modders and the tuners" which is ok with me. I find annoying that, at one point, SOME PC gamers complain. Cheaters here, cheaters there. Then, when a developer is trying to fix that problem, they change their mind. Pick side, and stick to it. I don't feel any "pain for the pc gamers" because I don't have to. If any of them have a console then they should be able to realise that they are still getting a lot for a lesser price.
EDIT1: Article = Linked [I wanted to say something else so I edited my post, but now I have forgotten what it was =P]
I was able to get the game early, and I feel like the campaign is significantly shorter than the first game's. I could be wrong; I never time out games. But many of the missions are pathetically short. Really good, but short.WithoutGraceXIIAccording to this review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxj78420zJQ [Sorry not linked] It was basically the same length. What system did you get it for? Xbox 360 version should have, obviously, Online Multiplayer and the Spec-ops missions (multiplayer). It also has up to 4-player splitscreen versus. I think the addition of the Spec-ops makes up for, if true, slightly shorter campaign.
It's the damn pc-elites that think IW owes them something because they made COD what it is today, lmao. COD 4 was pirated to hell and back, no wonder IW is playing it safe with the PC-version and just making a direct console-port, why would they even bother when people only pirate? What goes around comes around, personally I hope IW ditches PC-gaming all together.
Also I find it funny how people somehow are saying DICE is more loyal to their customers than IW; No BF: BC on PC, delayed Mirror's Edge and BF: 1943 (and a stripped version of 1942 to boot) and no BF3 in sight. Yeah, but at least they have dedicated servers :roll:
Ok. So...do you complain when you buy any online game which doesn't have dedicated servers? I don't think so.
Their reason for doing what they have done with dedicated servers and mods...
http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx
[sorry for it not being linked, I don't know how to link when quick quoting].
All IW has done is made the PC version like the console version. That is all. They are still getting the game for cheaper than the console version, in every country. I don't care about the US price, because it isn't the same as the AU price, etc. Some countries still have the same pricing as normal. Nothing to find negative. Hate your country then. I don't care. All IW did is put the "player experience above the modders and the tuners" which is ok with me. I find annoying that, at one point, SOME PC gamers complain. Cheaters here, cheaters there. Then, when a developer is trying to fix that problem, they change their mind. Pick side, and stick to it. I don't feel any "pain for the pc gamers" because I don't have to. If any of them have a console then they should be able to realise that they are still getting a lot for a lesser price.
EDIT1: Article = Linked [I wanted to say something else so I edited my post, but now I have forgotten what it was =P]
mgs_freak91
They are not getting a lot for a lesser price, they are getting less for a greater price, If they told me the next counter strike was gonna have exactly the same gameplay as Counterstrike 1.6 but updated graphics (not CS:S bs) but it would only have matchmaking I would def not buy it, because I think it's ridiculous that at this point in time, you would do that to pc gaming, PC gamers get the pc version because is the superior version, better graphics better gameplay(someone can argue but it always feels more natural to use a mouse over a controller) and also they get mods and dedicated servers, now what they are doing is crippling the PC version.
Cheaters? ha, like that's gonna stop any cheaters, in any way shape or form, and they didnt mentioin anywhere they made those changes to fight piracy, their claims are unbased and stupid, they are really spitting at the pc gamers face, for doing what they are doing, i hope many pc gamers don't buy mw2 just because of what they did and it backfires for them.
All IW has done is made the PC version like the console version. That is all
mgs_freak91
you don't see what's wrong with that? That means they haven't actually "made" the pc version, they just gave us the 360 version and charged us $10 extra. (We don't pay royalties so we ARE paying more towards IW)
[QUOTE="Danm_999"] [QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]They are only doing this to fight piracy. hot114How does this fight piracy? Pirates play on cracked servers. It won't matter to them whether dedicated servers and mods are available or not. This change only affects legitimate customers. Please don't comment unless you understand what you're talking about. No, You should take your own advice. if it were so easy to just host your own server "illegally" no PC gamer would be complaining. You can not host your own servers because the game is constantly syncing with a 3d party system for matchmaking purposes. This extra system can not be spoofed. I just love to read consolites uninformed misunderstandings of hostings and servers.
It's against the TOU to get into specifics, but it is incredibly easy to participate on cracked servers in past Call of Duty games. Incredibly easy. I can't exactly bring the usual standard of proof to the discussion regarding how MW2 is going to be modified by pirates, because it'll get me in hot water.
Let me just say I don't anticipate there being any immense challenge to crackers in bypassing the matchmaking system for illegally obtained copies. This really isn't going to have a dire affect on people who obtain the game illegally.
You don't have proof that it won't not help fight against piracy. mgs_freak91So because I don't have proof a future event may not occur because of a seemingly irrelevant change, legitimate customers should have their experience absolutely destroyed? Seriously?
It's the damn pc-elites that think IW owes them something because they made COD what it is today, lmao. COD 4 was pirated to hell and back, no wonder IW is playing it safe with the PC-version and just making a direct console-port, why would they even bother when people only pirate? What goes around comes around, personally I hope IW ditches PC-gaming all together.Cyberfairy
So wait; did PC gamers pirate COD to hell, or make it what it is today?
And how does destroying the experience of legitimate customers stop piracy? How does it not encourage it?
Deserve what?4. PC gamers just need to grow up. Out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't. Any console gamer would understand that [not to mention that PC games are sold cheaper than console games]. For this point, just GET OVER IT.
mgs_freak91
If console gamers had their options and features taken away from a very popular game, then how do you think the reaction would be?
When a developer removes features that are superior in the *whole other series* of Call of Duty titles, how is this not a negative?
From basic things like video options, to creating their own content, and hosting servers.
Fact is that PC gaming is different to consoles gaming, and MW2 lacks the standard features that *nearly every other game on the platform has*
As its such a large title, from a developer who started on the PC (at EA then forming Iward) its no wonder it has received such a reaction.
PC gamers let alone fanboys are hardly at fault with being vocal in their critism.
Your notion of understanding is flawed, I say that as someone who also console games.
o what if you can't create your own servers? They are only doing this to fight piracy. mgs_freak91
No, they aren't. IW.Net has nothing to do with piracy.
Och well..the annoucements killed my interest in the game, all I wanted from it is nice MP I could play with friends, now MP sounds really bad and friends aren't buying it. So no point in buying MW2 now, we will just stick to COD4
The game sounds terrible and the developers are nasty bastards (not for making the changes themselves, that would just make them weak developer, but for how they handled announcing it), whatever way I look at it MW2 and Infinity Ward simply don't deserve my money,
This really isn't going to have a dire affect on people who obtain the game illegally.Not only will it punish legitimate users and do nothing to stifle piracy, it will make it easier for people to feel justified in pirating it. Essentially, it will have the opposite effect. People trying to present this arguement as some form of rebuttal or defense of the situation really shouldn't.Danm_999
Speaking of piracy, some guy did some math. As far as I know the PC version is yet to be cracked.
I still cannot wait to get MW2, and I bet that with release, the sales of MW2 show that most people complaining don't hold to their boycotts. SpruceCabooseMW2 was outsold by Killing Floor two weeks ago on Steam, and by Torchlight this week. It undoubtedly will have some impact.
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