Infinity Ward

The saddest thing about this is that, no matter what, the game is still going to sell like hotcakes. But at least Activision's other franchise, Guitar Hero, is finally losing steam. Now we just need COD to tank, which is likely since the next game will be set in Vietnam, and Activision will crash.

you know for once i would like to see all gamers come together and come to a consensus about this issue. We have pc users that are angry (which they have the right to be). Console gamers are telling pc gamers to basically shut up.

1. If any console gamers ever even touched a pc game they would know why dedicated servers are important. Also its unacceptable to take away features and charge more for a game. no matter what platform you play on.

2. Infinity ward is becoming an arrogant developer and basically telling their pc fanbase to suck it. As a gamer i am pissed. I may not play many games on the pc but i can feel for the pc gamers that are pissed about this subject.

So as a gamer in general you should be pissed. Are we entitled to anything? Actually yes we are, we pay for the item or items that a company develops if we keep on supporting this type of BS then this will just keep on happening. If i pay more for something i expect more from what i bought. Its common sense.

Out of all the fanboys, hermits act like they deserve everything they have gotten in the past. They don't. mgs_freak91

So like, PC gamers should actually feel great about not getting stuff they had before?

So, according to your philosophy, you buy a new car, which is more expensive than the last years' version, but it lacks a bunch of stuff which were really useful and made your driving comfort better. And you should be happy about it?

[QUOTE="aldaris652"]

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]Downgrading from the online system for the PC to the online system of the Xbox 360 and the PS3, isn't that big. Online Systems could still be good even on the Wii. So what if you can't create your own servers? They are only doing this to fight piracy. Maybe if PC gamers didn't pirate games so much they wouldn't have done this. So really, you can go blame your friends and everyone else that plays on the PC. Don't tell me that non of your friends have never pirated a game, that would just be bull. Most PC gamers have pirated at some point in their life. mgs_freak91

It is that big, even tho i'm gonna play cod:mw2 in ps3 its just really painful to see your ignorance, matchmaking is good, dedicated servers is GREAT, i wish we could have an option to use the ps3 as a dedicated server (as i think they have it for some psp's game) but forreal man, where did they ever say they did it because of piracy, they are just being greedy **** forreal man, wake up, this gotta stop. I mean i love cod and i'm gonna pick it up, but i really feel the pain for the pc gamers, If someone told me, I had to play a counter strike match thru matchmaking with a 100ms++ ping that would just piss the **** out of me, seeing i been playing counter strike for 8 years, but anyway enough of this nonsense, they shouldn't have done that, and yes IT IS that bad.

Ok. So...do you complain when you buy any online game which doesn't have dedicated servers? I don't think so.

Their reason for doing what they have done with dedicated servers and mods...

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx

[sorry for it not being linked, I don't know how to link when quick quoting].

All IW has done is made the PC version like the console version. That is all. They are still getting the game for cheaper than the console version, in every country. I don't care about the US price, because it isn't the same as the AU price, etc. Some countries still have the same pricing as normal. Nothing to find negative. Hate your country then. I don't care. All IW did is put the "player experience above the modders and the tuners" which is ok with me. I find annoying that, at one point, SOME PC gamers complain. Cheaters here, cheaters there. Then, when a developer is trying to fix that problem, they change their mind. Pick side, and stick to it. I don't feel any "pain for the pc gamers" because I don't have to. If any of them have a console then they should be able to realise that they are still getting a lot for a lesser price.

EDIT1: Article = Linked [I wanted to say something else so I edited my post, but now I have forgotten what it was =P]

You didn't REALLY quote that garbage in Game Informer, did you?

Well then, I invite you to go to Infinity Ward's MW2 PC forum and post that, where you will be torn asunder by the same "PC fanboys" and "nerds" the GI article calls out with perfect refutations, although...

I could always give you these:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/10/modern-warfare-2-the-case-for-the-dedicated-server.ars

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11/pc-modern-warfare-2-its-much-worse-than-you-thought.ars

"We thought the lack of dedicated servers was bad, but now we can add the lack of console commands, the inability to have a say in who hosts the game, a lengthy pause while the game migrates to a new host if the currently selected host quits, no leaning, no option to record matches, and no way to kick or block trouble players, hackers, or cheaters.

You have to wonder if there are any actual PC gamers working at Infinity Ward, as it will be a challenge to find any member of the PC gaming community that will stand up for any of these omissions, not to mention all of them bundled together. At launch, this will be one of the most locked-down, inflexible, and gamer-unfriendly game ever created."

In brief: the removal of user-run dedicated servers collapses the mod and custom content building communities that have roosted in the PC market, it will obliterate clans, it will mark Infinity Ward as the sole content provider, it will institutionalize wasted time in matchmaking, eliminate all customization and persistence in servers, eradicate any possibility of competition online, eliminate fairness in favor of artificial matchmaking algorithms, crystallize "host advantage," "host swapping," and other connection issues, provide atrocious latencies with notoriously low commercial upstreams (worse in international markets), and force users to deal with people that cheat or otherwise misbehave online (it will be left up to VAC, which is 100% back-end with no reporting feature and notoriously unreliable).

The saddest thing about this is that, no matter what, the game is still going to sell like hotcakes. But at least Activision's other franchise, Guitar Hero, is finally losing steam. Now we just need COD to tank, which is likely since the next game will be set in Vietnam, and Activision will crash.

ChrisSpartan117

I personally think IW and Activision are trying to see fast they can get hate :PII_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="hot114"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] [QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]They are only doing this to fight piracy. Danm_999

you know for once i would like to see all gamers come together and come to a consensus about this issue. We have pc users that are angry (which they have the right to be). Console gamers are telling pc gamers to basically shut up.

1. If any console gamers ever even touched a pc game they would know why dedicated servers are important. Also its unacceptable to take away features and charge more for a game. no matter what platform you play on.

2. Infinity ward is becoming an arrogant developer and basically telling their pc fanbase to suck it. As a gamer i am pissed. I may not play many games on the pc but i can feel for the pc gamers that are pissed about this subject.

So as a gamer in general you should be pissed. Are we entitled to anything? Actually yes we are, we pay for the item or items that a company develops if we keep on supporting this type of BS then this will just keep on happening. If i pay more for something i expect more from what i bought. Its common sense.

njean777

All i can say is they went from being loved (when IW formed it was a bunch of people from laid off from EA) to hated because they really made some stupid mistakes regarding the PC version.

I agree this was the case with previous titles but the matchmaking system that they introduced for this title will remove this "illegal" freedom.

hot114

Wait sec, there's going to be day one DLC for MW2? WTF?

[QUOTE="hot114"]

I agree this was the case with previous titles but the matchmaking system that they introduced for this title will remove this "illegal" freedom.

AdrianWerner

Garh. I really can't be bothered arguing this anymore.

I don't care if you don't see it the same way as me, that is perfectly fine. But most PC gamers are saying that it's even going to be a crappy game just because of those reasons. Which is just not true.

PC gamers don't want to buy because it has become to consolized, while some PS3 gamers don't want to buy it because of Activision.

PC gamers, don't buy it, this game is still going to sell a lot whether you like it or not, this game is still going to be good whether you like it or not.

To those of you who talk about prices, who here sets the value price? No one. You can't justify pricing. RRP is different in every country, different for every system and sometimes different for every store. For example. At my locak JBHIFI. COD4 AND COD5 are both $60. At my local EBGames COD4 is $99.93 and COD5 is strangely not even in stock, they aren't even selling it, other than the collectors edition. YOu can go blame retailers for giving you a high price. Whether you think the developers tell the retailers the RRP, find out what they first letter stands for.

PS3 gamers, again, cry babies. What more do I need to say.

Everyone has a problem with the companies and because they aren't going to play a good game, a great game.

MW2 comes with a single player experience, which many of you PC gamers have paid full price for, Left 4 Dead 2 is coming out to AUS at $108. People are going to buy it. I really hope every single one of you, will be here, at least those of you who live in AUS, to complain about this. Otherwise you have no point, you just keep on changing, you have no cause. FIFA 10 comes out here at $98, same as MW2, I don't see anyone complaining at that price, its the same game from previous one. With that said, their have been games without dedicated servers come out, did you all complain about them? No. Games with no online part at all, comes out at full price. Did you complain about them? No.

I'm not saying it's good that they removing features and are keeping it at the same price. But come on. You are getting a console version, with better graphics and keyboard and mouse support (as they are the better ways to play an FPS) and you are still getting it for less than the console version. Whether you think it's got lesser features than before it's cheaper that the other versions. I still see that as a good thing. Also, most of you think that gamers ALL mod and do all that stuff. They don't. Majority of them just play online, the smaller - yet quite large group - just go onto the net and download those mods, the majority of them play will play on official servers. Will this game be a heck of a lot of fun without mods? Yes. Can it do well without dedicated servers? Yes, because you have played games without them before. For some reason you are just complaining now.

Anyways. I'm not going to argue with all of you from now on, unless you say something really stupid or rude. Otherwise I have more important things to do, like study for my finals.

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]

[QUOTE="aldaris652"]

It is that big, even tho i'm gonna play cod:mw2 in ps3 its just really painful to see your ignorance, matchmaking is good, dedicated servers is GREAT, i wish we could have an option to use the ps3 as a dedicated server (as i think they have it for some psp's game) but forreal man, where did they ever say they did it because of piracy, they are just being greedy **** forreal man, wake up, this gotta stop. I mean i love cod and i'm gonna pick it up, but i really feel the pain for the pc gamers, If someone told me, I had to play a counter strike match thru matchmaking with a 100ms++ ping that would just piss the **** out of me, seeing i been playing counter strike for 8 years, but anyway enough of this nonsense, they shouldn't have done that, and yes IT IS that bad.

Brownesque

Ok. So...do you complain when you buy any online game which doesn't have dedicated servers? I don't think so.

Their reason for doing what they have done with dedicated servers and mods...

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx

[sorry for it not being linked, I don't know how to link when quick quoting].

All IW has done is made the PC version like the console version. That is all. They are still getting the game for cheaper than the console version, in every country. I don't care about the US price, because it isn't the same as the AU price, etc. Some countries still have the same pricing as normal. Nothing to find negative. Hate your country then. I don't care. All IW did is put the "player experience above the modders and the tuners" which is ok with me. I find annoying that, at one point, SOME PC gamers complain. Cheaters here, cheaters there. Then, when a developer is trying to fix that problem, they change their mind. Pick side, and stick to it. I don't feel any "pain for the pc gamers" because I don't have to. If any of them have a console then they should be able to realise that they are still getting a lot for a lesser price.

EDIT1: Article = Linked [I wanted to say something else so I edited my post, but now I have forgotten what it was =P]

You didn't REALLY quote that garbage in Game Informer, did you?

Well then, I invite you to go to Infinity Ward's MW2 PC forum and post that, where you will be torn asunder by the same "PC fanboys" and "nerds" the GI article calls out with perfect refutations, although...

I could always give you these:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/10/modern-warfare-2-the-case-for-the-dedicated-server.ars

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11/pc-modern-warfare-2-its-much-worse-than-you-thought.ars

"We thought the lack of dedicated servers was bad, but now we can add the lack of console commands, the inability to have a say in who hosts the game, a lengthy pause while the game migrates to a new host if the currently selected host quits, no leaning, no option to record matches, and no way to kick or block trouble players, hackers, or cheaters.

You have to wonder if there are any actual PC gamers working at Infinity Ward, as it will be a challenge to find any member of the PC gaming community that will stand up for any of these omissions, not to mention all of them bundled together. At launch, this will be one of the most locked-down, inflexible, and gamer-unfriendly game ever created."

In brief: the removal of user-run dedicated servers collapses the mod and custom content building communities that have roosted in the PC market, it will obliterate clans, it will mark Infinity Ward as the sole content provider, it will institutionalize wasted time in matchmaking, eliminate all customization and persistence in servers, eradicate any possibility of competition online, eliminate fairness in favor of artificial matchmaking algorithms, crystallize "host advantage," "host swapping," and other connection issues, provide atrocious latencies with notoriously low commercial upstreams (worse in international markets), and force users to deal with people that cheat or otherwise misbehave online (it will be left up to VAC, which is 100% back-end with no reporting feature and notoriously unreliable).

All this hate, and they will still make millions and millions of dollars, win all kinds of awards, and have their game played by millions of happy customers.

I think we need to put into perspective how much influence "message boards" and "forums" have in the real world. And that would be zero. Message boards are for fun, and for people who really enjoy what ever the board is about share their POV. But they have no influence on anything in the real world, so this "hate" you describe exists only on the internet, in places where most people would never look.

Players play mods, custom maps, and enjoy the broad range of customization options in COD4.

This excuse is bogus. BTW stop wall of texting me.

That you deserve more for a lesser price, now that you are basically getting the console version.

They have a campaign.

They have online

have spend $100 on a new PC game and a $120 on a PS3 game. We don't complain though. It's just how it is.

But I'm saying that P2P servers run by the developers and handled by them with better technology and safety checking mechanisms = less pirated players on the net.

I was giving their decision to get rid of dedicated servers and use a company run, match making system, which actually sounds a lot more pirate safe than before.

Those links you gave me, have no signficance in proving what I was saying wrong.

[QUOTE="hot114"]

I agree this was the case with previous titles but the matchmaking system that they introduced for this title will remove this "illegal" freedom.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="hot114"]

I agree this was the case with previous titles but the matchmaking system that they introduced for this title will remove this "illegal" freedom.

hot114

No, only legitimate purchasers have to play IWs way. Only people who spend their hard-earned $60 will be required to run through a carefully constructed cheese maze with traps and poor design.

IW also said nothing, absolutely nothing about piracy being the root cause of their decision behind IWnet, nor did they EVER claim that IWnet would help curb piracy. I want to see quotations and sources for your claims.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="hot114"]

I agree this was the case with previous titles but the matchmaking system that they introduced for this title will remove this "illegal" freedom.

hot114

Don't let people brainwash you, IW.net has nothing to do with piracy