In-game XMB is barely a good start - where's Skill Matching?

The most important feature of Live, and why I continue paying for it, is TrueSkill. It's how I find games with people of my skill level, and avoid being matched up against a bunch of rookies or MLG competitors. Without it, a weekend warrior type like myself is doomed to be blown out by the truly dedicated, who don't let silly things like paying the rent get in the way of their gaming time. I only manage to fit in a few hours of online time per month, and I don't feel like spending them getting annihilated by a hypercaffeinated 12-year-old while 2 guys who don't even know which way the flag is ineffectually try to get my back.

So, Sony fans, enjoy your in-game XMB (I'll be quite happy to finally get it) - it's a nice start, but nowhere near enough.

I'm curious...does it really use a TrueSkill for everygame? Because sometimes I play a match of CoD4 against guys who can barely crawl out of their diapers, and sometimes I fight against super awesome guys who kick my ass so much, and then proceed to bend me over.

Because this is new to me :|

Link plz.

The most important feature of Live, and why I continue paying for it, is TrueSkill. It's how I find games with people of my skill level, and avoid being matched up against a bunch of rookies or MLG competitors. Without it, a weekend warrior type like myself is doomed to be blown out by the truly dedicated, who don't let silly things like paying the rent get in the way of their gaming time. I only manage to fit in a few hours of online time per month, and I don't feel like spending them getting annihilated by a hypercaffeinated 12-year-old while 2 guys who don't even know which way the flag is ineffectually try to get my back.

So, Sony fans, enjoy your in-game XMB (I'll be quite happy to finally get it) - it's a nice start, but nowhere near enough.

lowe0

I'm curious...does it really use a TrueSkill for everygame? Because sometimes I play a match of CoD4 against guys who can barely crawl out of their diapers, and sometimes I fight against super awesome guys who kick my ass so much, and then proceed to bend me over.

Because this is new to me :|

Link plz.

Pietrooper

Look at the back of your 360 game box and if it says Leaderboard, then yes.

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

I'm curious...does it really use a TrueSkill for everygame? Because sometimes I play a match of CoD4 against guys who can barely crawl out of their diapers, and sometimes I fight against super awesome guys who kick my ass so much, and then proceed to bend me over.

Because this is new to me :|

Link plz.

ReverseCycology

Look at the back of your 360 game box and if it says Leaderboard, then yes.

I don't own a single X360 game at the moment :|

I'm curious...does it really use a TrueSkill for everygame? Because sometimes I play a match of CoD4 against guys who can barely crawl out of their diapers, and sometimes I fight against super awesome guys who kick my ass so much, and then proceed to bend me over.

Because this is new to me :|

Link plz.

Pietrooper

The system is not going to be 100% full proof obviously. But heres what i found

"TrueSkillon the Xbox 360 is a skill-based ranking system that is used across the majority of Xbox 360 titles. It involves the user playing ranked games against other players, with the results used to update the skill level estimates of those involved. For each game, a user has two hidden statistics: anestimated skill level, and anuncertainty factor. As a player continues to play further matches of the same title, the system revises the estimated skill level and decreases the uncertainty factor. As the uncertainty in the estimate decreases, the estimated level moves up or down by a smaller amount with each successive match. The eventual goal is to exactly determine the level of the player, i.e. his or her "true skill level". Depending on the title, this calculated skill level may or may not be displayed to users.

In order to prevent abuse of the system, the majority of ranked games have relatively limited options for matchmaking. By design, players cannot easily play with their friends in ranked games. Instead, the system supports unrankedPlayer Matches, which allow individuals of any skill level to be paired (often including "guests" on an account). Such matches do not contribute to the TrueSkill rating."

You spend money on live to only get ina few hours of gaming in a month? :? What a ripCouth_

no it's not. The true stand out feature that live had over PSN is/was the in-game friend list and if you're able to upload your gameplay videos through youtube straight from the ps3, then that feature alone will destroy that "trueskill" feature that the xbl have
ermacness

That really isnt a big deal honestly. black_awpN1

What he said, personally. I've never noticed it. It appears to be real but..*shrug*

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

I'm curious...does it really use a TrueSkill for everygame? Because sometimes I play a match of CoD4 against guys who can barely crawl out of their diapers, and sometimes I fight against super awesome guys who kick my ass so much, and then proceed to bend me over.

Because this is new to me :|

Link plz.

Pietrooper

Look at the back of your 360 game box and if it says Leaderboard, then yes.

I don't own a single X360 game at the moment :|

Wait wait wait, hold on, you just said "sometimes I play a match of COD4...." and now you're saying you don't own a X360 game? What happened, did you just rent it? Do you even have a 360? Did you play your brothers? I don't get it.

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

I'm curious...does it really use a TrueSkill for everygame? Because sometimes I play a match of CoD4 against guys who can barely crawl out of their diapers, and sometimes I fight against super awesome guys who kick my ass so much, and then proceed to bend me over.

Because this is new to me :|

Link plz.

ReverseCycology

Look at the back of your 360 game box and if it says Leaderboard, then yes.

I don't own a single X360 game at the moment :|

Wait wait wait, hold on, you just said "sometimes I play a match of COD4...." and now you're saying you don't own a X360 game? What happened, did you just rent it? Do you even have a 360? Did you play your brothers? I don't get it.

Err... I sell games the moment I'm bored, can't be bothered to build collections of games I don't feel I'll be playing a few years down the line.

Notice: 'At the moment'

If you want to check, I'm on right now messing with the Penny Arcade demo. Also:

EDIT: That's a bit old, I finally hawked my copy of Grand Theft Auto 4 for £30 ^^

[QUOTE="Couth_"]You spend money on live to only get ina few hours of gaming in a month? :? What a riplowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Couth_"]You spend money on live to only get ina few hours of gaming in a month? :? What a ripCouth_

As an Xbox 360 owner, if you want to go online you have to pay. There's no choice around it.

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Couth_"]You spend money on live to only get ina few hours of gaming in a month? :? What a ripPietrooper

As an Xbox 360 owner, if you want to go online you have to pay. There's no choice around it.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Couth_"]You spend money on live to only get ina few hours of gaming in a month? :? What a ripCouth_

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]That really isnt a big deal honestly. Pietrooper

What he said, personally. I've never noticed it. It appears to be real but..*shrug*

I didint notice this thing existed till today. I dont notice it when I play some 360 games online.

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]That really isnt a big deal honestly. Pietrooper

What he said, personally. I've never noticed it. It appears to be real but..*shrug*

And how often do you find yourself getting completely 110% oh dear GOD i can't touch him owned? Cause i very very rarely have it happen. I can almost always hold my own. And if that's happening, it's safe to say true skill is working and does improve the experience.

[QUOTE="Couth_"]You spend money on live to only get ina few hours of gaming in a month? :? What a riplowe0

no it's not. The true stand out feature that live had over PSN is/was the in-game friend list and if you're able to upload your gameplay videos through youtube straight from the ps3, then that feature alone will destroy that "trueskill" feature that the xbl have
ermacness

I've never even noticed true skill... I've been matched up with my fair share of Generals and Privates in Halo 3 all in the same game before...Not-A-Stalker

Those rankings do not measure skill exactly, just how much time you've put into the game really. Its the numbered ranks that are supposed to represent your skill, and i think Halo 3 does a pretty good job at matching those up. Same with COD4, except in COD4 your number is hidden, you dont know what it is.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Couth_"]You spend money on live to only get ina few hours of gaming in a month? :? What a ripermacness

no it's not. The true stand out feature that live had over PSN is/was the in-game friend list and if you're able to upload your gameplay videos through youtube straight from the ps3, then that feature alone will destroy that "trueskill" feature that the xbl have
ermacness

Neither does the PS3:) And you have no idea how the feature will work. Devs might have to imcorporate it into their games themselves, therefore all the current PS3 titles wont be able to do it...unless they are patched.

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]I've never even noticed true skill... I've been matched up with my fair share of Generals and Privates in Halo 3 all in the same game before...GazzaB

Those rankings do not measure skill exactly, just how much time you've put into the game really. Its the numbered ranks that are supposed to represent your skill, and i think Halo 3 does a pretty good job at matching those up. Same with COD4, except in COD4 your number is hidden, you dont know what it is.

Well Generals usually have skills up in the 40's and obviously a 50, while Privates have skills under 10. Okay maybe I exagerated about the Privates, but I know I've defiantly seen Generals and Sergeants in my games.

In-game xmb is barely a good start - wheres skill matching?
skill matching is barely enough - where's all the extra content Live gets?
all that extra content is nothing - why cant the ps3 fly?
who cares if ps3 can fly - when will it be able to show me the future? Sony failed big time.

Nothing is good enough for some people, i really really dont care about something like skill matching, in-game xmb will make PSN the same as Live for me, and for free.

In-game xmb is barely a good start - wheres skill matching?
skill matching is barely enough - where's all the extra content Live gets?
all that extra content is nothing - why cant the ps3 fly?
who cares if ps3 can fly - when will it be able to show me the future? Sony failed big time.

Nothing is good enough for some people, i really really dont care about something like skill matching, in-game xmb will make PSN the same as Live for me, and for free.

shadyd1717

There's video store and music store coming, and PlayTV.

But I don't use any of them so 'meh'

I'm curious...does it really use a TrueSkill for everygame? Because sometimes I play a match of CoD4 against guys who can barely crawl out of their diapers, and sometimes I fight against super awesome guys who kick my ass so much, and then proceed to bend me over.

Because this is new to me :|

Link plz.

Pietrooper

Not every game has it, and the games that do you can't even tell (like Gears of War...). CoD4 has no skill based matchmaking at all it just throws random people in a room and hopes for the best. And Halo 3 which has probably the closest thing to a perfect matchmaking system doesn't use truskill it uses its own system. I'd rather Live enforced every game with Halo's skill system and have semi-fair matches at least 75% of the time than just throwing crap at a wall and seeing what sticks like every other game even the "truskill" games. We're not even getting our moneys worth. Its just as chaotic as PSN save for Halo 3 but my word everyone has to hate on it and say its terrible when it has some of the most refined features of any other game on Live. Though thats mainly due to lazy devs, I wish Microsoft would take are money and use some of it to enforce some unformity among Live games.

You spend money on live to only get ina few hours of gaming in a month? :? What a ripCouth_

/thread That was kinda witty xD!

Err.... Leave the game. Seems to me like 98% of everyone i play against plays it like a pro but gets put down like a stray dog... xD! Actually try to get good at your game of choice...?

TrueSkill?

You believe the myth? That's crazy..didn't think anyone actually did.

In-game xmb is barely a good start - wheres skill matching?
skill matching is barely enough - where's all the extra content Live gets?
all that extra content is nothing - why cant the ps3 fly?
who cares if ps3 can fly - when will it be able to show me the future? Sony failed big time.

Nothing is good enough for some people, i really really dont care about something like skill matching, in-game xmb will make PSN the same as Live for me, and for free.

shadyd1717

And how does it make it the same for you? You don't even have a 360. :?

halo 3's skillmatching sucks

most people don't even notice the difference between random matching(or matching based on rank) and skillmatching

[QUOTE="shadyd1717"]

In-game xmb is barely a good start - wheres skill matching?
skill matching is barely enough - where's all the extra content Live gets?
all that extra content is nothing - why cant the ps3 fly?
who cares if ps3 can fly - when will it be able to show me the future? Sony failed big time.

Nothing is good enough for some people, i really really dont care about something like skill matching, in-game xmb will make PSN the same as Live for me, and for free.

xsubtownerx

And how does it make it the same for you? You don't even have a 360. :?

PSN offers lag-free (depending on the game and host obviously) gaming.

Live offers lag-free (depending on the game and host obviously) gaming.

Live has the main feature that I want, which is in-game friends lists and stuff like that

PSN is getting that^.

PSN is free, Live isnt.

PSN > Live, for me.

[QUOTE="shadyd1717"]

In-game xmb is barely a good start - wheres skill matching?
skill matching is barely enough - where's all the extra content Live gets?
all that extra content is nothing - why cant the ps3 fly?
who cares if ps3 can fly - when will it be able to show me the future? Sony failed big time.

Nothing is good enough for some people, i really really dont care about something like skill matching, in-game xmb will make PSN the same as Live for me, and for free.

Pietrooper

There's video store and music store coming, and PlayTV.

But I don't use any of them so 'meh'

I was being sarcastic, @ the people who constantly butcher Sony for not "living up" to everything, or being late with things.

So long as this match making feature is optional, I can see why people would want it. But if this skill matching feature is not optional, it's absolutely stupid.

If you just want a casual game, nothing serious, it's a good feature to have. But if you want to get better at a game, have a challenge with it, you want to play better players. You don't get better by playing people as good as you are, you get better by playing people better than you. You learn from them, and see what you're doing wrong.

Skill matching is vastly overrated.

You really think some of those guys with 44% accuracy ratio and 353 kill streaks are as good as those stats suggest??

You know how many gold crosses in COD4 I waste with ease being a 55 level non prestige player?

Stats can be padded very easily in any video game. You should know this already.

You spend money on live to only get ina few hours of gaming in a month? :? What a ripCouth_

Is it? Say he gets 4 hours in a month. 48 hours a year. Just over $1 an hour to play on LIVE. Is that so bad? Seems like a great deal to me.

The most important feature of Live, and why I continue paying for it, is TrueSkill.

lowe0

does that feature even work? I haven't heard anything about TrueSkill since before the 360 launched. Games like Halo do TrueSkill better than TrueSkill could do TrueSkill. If it even works.

This is probably why MLG will never touch the PSN for competitions.

"Skill matching" LMAO... I guess you also believe that all games are hosted by Live.... *sigh*

The End

This is probably why MLG will never touch the PSN for competitions.

ReverseCycology

Yeah, because that's how they get the competitors. :roll:

They definitely don't run tournaments or have a gamebattles site where clans battle for positions and the right to go into LAN tournaments.

Oh. the reason MLG doesn't use PS3 for competitions is because it doesn't have Halo. It's the only reason Gears and Rainbow Six are there, because they don't want their Halo fanboyism to be so obvious.

Kind of like you're fanboyism towards Microsoft. You might want to take some notes on how to hide your fanboyism from MLG.