Intel Nehalem. Consoles, prepare to be left in the dust.

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#1 horrowhip
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http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3326&p=1

While Nehalem is designed to scale to up to 8 cores per chip, each one of those cores has the hardware necessary to execute two threads simultaneously - yep, it's the return of Hyper Threading. Thus our quad-core Nehalem sample appeared as 8 logical cores under Windows Vista.

We took Valve's source-engine map compilation benchmark and measured the compile time to execute one instance (4 threads) vs. two instances of the benchmark. The graph below shows the increase in compilation time when we double the workload:

Valve Map Compilation Benchmark - 4 to 8 Thread Scaling

While the 2.66GHz Core 2 Quad Q9450 (Penryn) takes another 127 seconds to execute twice the workload, the 2.66GHz Nehalem only needs another 49 seconds. And if you're curious, this quad-core Nehalem running at 2.66GHz is within 20% of the performance of an eight-core 3.2GHz Skulltrail system. Equalize clock speed and we'd bet that a quad-core Nehalem would be the same speed as an 8-core Skulltrail here.(That means Intel has fixed Hyper Threading and made it so that you do not have any performance loss like previous hyperthreaded CPU's)

The DivX test is an important one as it doesn't scale well at all beyond four threads, any performance advantage Nehalem has here is entirely due to microarchitectural improvements and not influenced by its ability to work on twice as many threads at once.

DivX 6.8 w/ Xmpeg 5.0.3

Using AutoMKV we compress the same source file we used in our WME test down to 100MB, but with the x264 codec. We used the 2_Pass_Insane_Quality profile:

x264 w/ AutoMKV

Encoding performance here went through the roof with Nehalem: a clock for clock boost of 44%. Once more, Nehalem at today's artificially limited, modest clock speed is already faster than any Penryn out today. What Intel did to AMD in 2006, it is doing to itself in 2008. Amazing.

Our benchmark, as always, is the SPECapc 3dsmax 8 test but for the purpose of this article we only run the CPU rendering tests and not the GPU tests.

3dsmax 9

The results are reported as render times in seconds and the final CPU composite score is a weighted geometric mean of all of the test scores.

POV-Ray is a popular raytracer, also available with a built in benchmark. We used the 3.7 beta which has SMP support and ran the built in multithreaded benchmark.

POV-Ray 3.7 Beta 24

Finally POV-Ray echoes what we've seen elsewhere, with a 36% performance improvement over the 2.66GHz Core 2 Q9450. Note that Nehalem continues to be faster than even the fastest Penryns available today, despite the lower clock speed of this early sample.

Anandtech

And all this with the Intel Sandy Bridges approaching quickly. And if what has been said about Sandy Bridges is correct, 16-32 CPU cores with 2 logical cores(so theoretically 32-64 computing Cores) on each... We are in for a new era of computing.

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PC's have been more powerful then the consoles for a long time... yet the console are still doing just dandy.

Doesn't this belong in the PC Hardware forum?

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#3 Riki101
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its 4 cores, hyper threaded.... this is crazy....

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#4 horrowhip
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PC's have been more powerful then the consoles for a long time... yet the console are still doing just dandy.

Doesn't this belong in the PC Hardware forum?

Bgrngod

yes but this is just another leap forward.

and this thread fits in fine on System Wars.

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#5 millwrought
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This is me caring. :|
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#7 TheCrazed420
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Consoles have and will continue to be always behind PC's in terms of tech.

They still have their place in gaming.

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#8 millwrought
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[QUOTE="millwrought"]This is me caring. :|Riki101

dude gtfo, if you dont care, dont click, dont post, your jealous, its obvious... go get rrod...

Yeah, I'm really jealous because I play PC games too. :|

This me me caring about your reply :lol:

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#9 haziqonfire
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I dont comprehend. I dont know anything about computer specs and the like.
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[QUOTE="Riki101"][QUOTE="millwrought"]This is me caring. :|millwrought


dude gtfo, if you dont care, dont click, dont post, your jealous, its obvious... go get rrod...

Yeah, I'm really jealous because I play PC games too. :|

This me me caring about your reply :lol:


lol you obviously care, you posting proves this, and the fact you came back to post again confirms it...
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#11 clone01
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[QUOTE="millwrought"]This is me caring. :|Riki101

dude gtfo, if you dont care, dont click, dont post, your jealous, its obvious... go get rrod...

and the mature response of the day goes to ^^

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I've always been a mid-range PC builder but since my raise a while ago I think I might just go all out when these hit the stores... Im thinking:

CPU: Nahalem

GPU: 280GTX

RAM: Kingston DDR3 2000mhz

Motherboard: Foxconn BlackOps X48

Me: :D :P :lol:

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#13 Fusible
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Well this is their next change in Microarchitecture since the introduction of Conroe (C2D)
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#14 HuusAsking
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Well this is their next change in Microarchitecture since the introduction of Conroe (C2D)Fusible
Any bets Nehalem will be officially known as Core 3?
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#15 rcignoni
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Yes, but how much will it cost?

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#16 Meu2k7
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My current quad is fine thanks, I bet this will be very expensive, if so, its useless to us.
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I dont comprehend. I dont know anything about computer specs and the like.Haziqonfire

In basic terms: This new processor is going to be very good. It is a 4 core processor that can act like it has 8 cores.

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#18 DAZZER7
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I've always been a mid-range PC builder but since my raise a while ago I think I might just go all out when these hit the stores... Im thinking:

CPU: Nahalem

GPU: 280GTX

RAM: Kingston DDR3 2000mhz

Motherboard: Foxconn BlackOps X48

Me: :D :P :lol:

sadikovic

I'm thinking along those lines too my friend.

Although, I'll need anew psu if I do.

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#19 DaGamingGod
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That's nice and all but how many programs are really going to use up 8 cores? My quad core cpu is more than enough for any game that is out today. I don't even think many folks will be able to afford to upgrade to Nehalem.
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When new consoles arrive will have 10x that power and then some though, hope PC gamers keep wasting money on constant huge upgrades, so they we can enjoy the best looking games on consoles, like Gears 2, Alan Wake, Fable 2 etc now on 360

Also those games will actually use that hardware and 8 cores, unlike PC games that will take ages to do so

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#21 st1ka
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PCs have always been more powerfull then consoles, i dont care, i care about the games
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#22 Truth_Hurts_U
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I don't know why people don't want to get a new console come 2010....? I'm ready for the update and I sure don't want to be stuck in the Sony rut of a 10 year cycle.
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This is a real 8 cores processor unlike some other console with 1 core and 7 wanna be crippled processors.
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#24 sadikovic
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When new consoles arrive will have 10x that power and then some though, hope PC gamers keep wasting money on constant huge upgrades, so they we can enjoy the best looking games on consoles, like Gears 2, Alan Wake, Fable 2 etc now on 360

Also those games will actually use that hardware and 8 cores, unlike PC games that will take ages to do so

kostmpekir

I doubt that and all those games you listed are coming for the PC and thats when the hardware kicks in and the games end up looking sharper and better than the console counterparts.

Also your last sentence (one with out the full stop) shows how much you know.

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#25 Zoso-8
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First of all, these aren't coming out until the end of this year or early next year. Second, they will most likely be ridiculously expensive. Third, will any games even need that kind of CPU?? I doubt it.
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When new consoles arrive will have 10x that power and then some though, hope PC gamers keep wasting money on constant huge upgrades, so they we can enjoy the best looking games on consoles, like Gears 2, Alan Wake, Fable 2 etc now on 360

Also those games will actually use that hardware and 8 cores, unlike PC games that will take ages to do so

kostmpekir

If consoles have the best looking games than how come all the multi-platform games look better on PC and how come you don't have anything out right now that can beat Crysis ?

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In how many years? I wonder how much it'll cost.
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This is a real 8 cores processor unlike some other console with 1 core and 7 wanna be crippled processors.MojondeVACA

not really, it destroys cell but its not 8 cores, its 4 core with hyper threading so it is essentially the power of 8 cores with 4 physical actual cores in the processor

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#29 -CUBE-
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wow :o , so what's the approximate price for on of these? and when will they go up for sale? I was thinking of buying a new quad proc but I think I'll wait now :D
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#30 Fusible
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What will happen is they will stay at around what market value is for current ones and the current will get a price drop.
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[QUOTE="millwrought"]This is me caring. :|Riki101

dude gtfo, if you dont care, dont click, dont post, your jealous, its obvious... go get rrod...

The whole point of this thread is to rub pointless numbers in console videogamer's faces. Why should he gtfo? Seriously, Dual core and quad core technology was around years before Crysis, and that is still the only game that absolutely cannot be done on consoles.

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#32 kingfire11
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since when CPU alone can play games? and this one will be as expensive as a brand new X360.
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#33 lillefix
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This is not a good thing in the long run. AMD is getting too far behind, and we can risk a monopoly. That is really bad.
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#34 Velocitas8
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My current quad is fine thanks, I bet this will be very expensive, if so, its useless to us.Meu2k7

Indeed, my Quad's running just dandy..and I still have plenty of room to overclock, which I'll do well before upgrading :?

Still, it's amazing how quickly computer hardware developers roll out new technology..almost wish they'd slow down at times.

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#35 PRKiNG45
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PC's have been more powerful then the consoles for a long time... yet the console are still doing just dandy.

Doesn't this belong in the PC Hardware forum?

Bgrngod

Yeah but i'm assuming a few fakeboys claimed consoles are more powerful so they feel the need to shove it down our throats everyday that PC is stronger.

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wow thats amazing *sarcasm*
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I don't know why people don't want to get a new console come 2010....? I'm ready for the update and I sure don't want to be stuck in the Sony rut of a 10 year cycle.Truth_Hurts_U

$70 games + $500 for the console.

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#38 angelkimne
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The only point of new cpu's in gaming is to max out Crysis. And that can already be done on most people's monitors. Any way, why not compare it to the QX9750 instead...

Anyway, who can afford it, and if they could who would spend there money on it even if they could afford it. An overclocked Q6660 is just fine for nearly everything.

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In how many years? I wonder how much it'll cost.EuroMafia

not years. Months. And the one they had is probably a $250-300 CPU once it launches.

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#40 horrowhip
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It seems many people don't understand my true reason for making the thread like it is.

I wanted to post this new and information for those who cared.

Thing is, last 30 times I have posted something it got locked because it wasn't "system wars related."

So I put a System Wars spin on this.

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Holy crap! 8 cores with 2 threads each?!?!?! OMG WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TO? That's F-ing amazing!

Note to mods: I'm sorry if I disobeyed the forum rules. Please don't punish me, please just delete the post. Thank you.

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#42 PRKiNG45
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It seems many people don't understand my true reason for making the thread like it is.

I wanted to post this new and information for those who cared.

Thing is, last 30 times I have posted something it got locked because it wasn't "system wars related."

So I put a System Wars spin on this.

horrowhip

People in System Wars aren't going to care. The few who probably would are the ones that would have read this if it was posted where it should have been, in the PC Hardware section.

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#43 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

It seems many people don't understand my true reason for making the thread like it is.

I wanted to post this new and information for those who cared.

Thing is, last 30 times I have posted something it got locked because it wasn't "system wars related."

So I put a System Wars spin on this.

PRKiNG45

People in System Wars aren't going to care. The few who probably would are the ones that would have read this if it was posted where it should have been, in the PC Hardware section.

I don't care. There isn't a rule against me posting it here so I posted it here.

I wouldn't have put that spin on it if the mods would just let me post news.

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Holy balls of fire *craps pants*

That's incredible.

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#45 pieatorium
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Holy crap! 8 cores with 2 threads each?!?!?! OMG WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TO? That's F-ing amazing!

Note to mods: I'm sorry if I disobeyed the forum rules. Please don't punish me, please just delete the post. Thank you.

AIH_PSP
4 cores hyperthreading to 8
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#46 angelkimne
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[QUOTE="AIH_PSP"]

Holy crap! 8 cores with 2 threads each?!?!?! OMG WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TO? That's F-ing amazing!

Note to mods: I'm sorry if I disobeyed the forum rules. Please don't punish me, please just delete the post. Thank you.

pieatorium
4 cores hyperthreading to 8

My question is, will it beat skulltrail w/ 2 cpu's (Qx9750's) ???
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#47 jeffwulf
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[QUOTE="AIH_PSP"]

Holy crap! 8 cores with 2 threads each?!?!?! OMG WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TO? That's F-ing amazing!

Note to mods: I'm sorry if I disobeyed the forum rules. Please don't punish me, please just delete the post. Thank you.

pieatorium

4 cores hyperthreading to 8

First line of the whole thing talks about how its designed to scale to 8 cores.

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#48 pieatorium
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[QUOTE="pieatorium"][QUOTE="AIH_PSP"]

Holy crap! 8 cores with 2 threads each?!?!?! OMG WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TO? That's F-ing amazing!

Note to mods: I'm sorry if I disobeyed the forum rules. Please don't punish me, please just delete the post. Thank you.

jeffwulf

4 cores hyperthreading to 8

First line of the whole thing talks about how its designed to scale to 8 cores.

oh yeah i only skimmed it was paying more attention the what they were saying about the test model they had
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Programs barely utilize four cores, I think this might be a waste of money until more developers and companies get on the bandwagon. Right now the 8400 destroys any current four core processor while at the same time only being a two core processor because programs actually utilize the two cores.

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#50 Bgrngod
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Programs barely utilize four cores, I think this might be a waste of money until more developers and companies get on the bandwagon. Right now the 8400 destroys any current four core processor while at the same time only being a two core processor because programs actually utilize the two cores.

VoodooGamer

It's an awesome CPU for the price, but to say it "destroys any current four core" is quite the stretch.