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Right now, Bethesda and Interplay are in the midst of a lawsuit about the Fallout MMO licensing agreement.

However, according to The Escapist, Interplay President Eric Caen is claiming that Interplay can just take back
Fallout if the MMO gets shut down.

"We sold the Fallout IP to Bethesda in exchange for a certain amount of cash and the right to do the Fallout MMO," Caen said. "If they refuse to let us do the game, then the sale of the IP is terminated, and they will be allowed to do only one more Fallout, 5."

"The original licensing deal was for three games and their DLC. So they already did Fallout 3, then Fallout: New Vegas, and they can only do one more Fallout, 5, if the sale of the IP is canceled by the court," he continued. "We will love if we have to do Fallout 6 and sequels. But we will see what happens in court. It can be this year or later... We have the back-up of our shareholders to fund this fight."

As predicted, though, Bethesda Vice President Pete Hines has said his company owns all things
Fallout.

"We own the rights to the MMO," Hines said. "We own the rights to everything Fallout. The license is ours. Fallout belongs to us."

Either way, we'll be following the lawsuit and the aftermath to see what happens with the series.

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A new Fallout from Interplay but without Black Isle...mmmm
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Right. Maybe they should give up their death grip on Fallout and actually try to make something original.
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#4 Ace6301
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After NV I'm convinced that that is terrible news. No Black Isle means that the next best thing is Bethesda (and obsidian). Didn't interplay already make their own fallout game? Didn't it suck? Didn't they then go bankrupt and have to sell the fallout franchise to stay afloat?
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Right. Maybe they should give up their death grip on Fallout and actually try to make something original.Cherokee_Jack
Interplay are just being pathetic. Someone else managed to make your an IP you sold profitable, so now you want it back. Grow up.
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Brotherhood of Steel 2.
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After NV I'm convinced that that is terrible news. No Black Isle means that the next best thing is Bethesda (and obsidian). Didn't interplay already make their own fallout game? Didn't it suck? Didn't they then go bankrupt and have to sell the fallout franchise to stay afloat?Ace6301
Yeah they did two brotherhood of steel and fallout tactics
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#8 N30F3N1X
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Oh, noes...

I wish Interplay could win the lawsuit, release their game, fail tremendously, go bankrupt and let Bethesda do their job and get Fallout back. Giving Fallout: NV to Obsidian was undoubtely the best move by Bethesda in years, considering the rest of their work this generation sucked pretty hard if unmodded.

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If only Bethesda sold the rights to Obsidian and then Obsidian hired ****ing game testers.

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i gotta say im sorta confused wasnet interplay and obsidon one studio at one point or am i just confungled out of my mind

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i gotta say im sorta confused wasnet interplay and obsidon one studio at one point or am i just confungled out of my mind

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Yep, you're confused.

Part of Obsidian's staff was also part of Black Isle games, which was part of Interplay. That's the closest thing to what you're saying that I can think of.

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A new Fallout from Interplay but without Black Isle...mmmmMonsieurX
Bethesda failed the license. At least i felt that way.
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Right. Maybe they should give up their death grip on Fallout and actually try to make something original.killzonexbox
Interplay are just being pathetic. Someone else managed to make your an IP you sold profitable, so now you want it back. Grow up.

I think you misunderstand the situation. Bethesda is the one being pathetic here. Interplay doesn't want the rights back, but they sold it on condition that they could make their MMO which Bethesda is consistently fighting them on. If the conditions of the sale aren't met, then Interplay is arguing that the sale would thus be reversed.
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Right. Maybe they should give up their death grip on Fallout and actually try to make something original.Cherokee_Jack
Yes, because backstabbing Bethesda is totaly original with The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion: Fallout.
God I rather have the franchise sink then have Bethesda make another mockery on that horrific engine of theirs with their amazing high tech animations and totaly no bugs...

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Interplay should shut up with all this crap and make a new Descent game.
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either way

bethesda did a good job of fallout, haters gonna hate but 1 and 2 have aged so poorly compared to other games of that time

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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Right. Maybe they should give up their death grip on Fallout and actually try to make something original.chaplainDMK
Yes, because backstabbing Bethesda is totaly original with The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion: Fallout God I rather have the franchise sink then have Bethesda make another mockery on that horrific engine of theirs with their amazing high tech animations and totaly no bugs...

I meant original, as in a new IP. Or really anything except this Fallout MMO money pit. What was the last game they shipped, again?
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Would like to see Interplay take it back, Maybe they can release a game that is actually playable for more than 20 minutes without freezing, getting stuck on a rock in the middle of an open field, NPC's walking around with no bodies just eyeballs, dead bodies falling from the ceiling as you enter a house, etc etc etc, I can sit here all day and name bugs and glitches with those 2 craptacular games. Bethesda and Obsidian should be ashamed of themselves for releasing these games as they were.

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I don't really see what Interplay could do with the Fallout IP besides their MMO since they have hardly any money. I think they'd just have to license or sell it again to another company. Hmmmm.... BioWare Fallout... or Obsidian Fallout without Bethesda's death grip.....
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Right. Maybe they should give up their death grip on Fallout and actually try to make something original.killzonexbox
Interplay are just being pathetic. Someone else managed to make your an IP you sold profitable, so now you want it back. Grow up.

it's kinda like giving your child on adoption because you're poor but if the kid gets to be a millionaire you want him back.

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Cool. I guess the creators of Youtube can get Youtube back from Google.

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Cool. I guess the creators of Youtube can get Youtube back from Google.

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If Google said to the creators of Youtube 'yes, you can use the Youtube TM for this other project X' as a condition of the sale, then turned around and fought the creators at every turn when they tried to do project X, then yeah, those creators would actually have a case that the conditions of sale were not met, and therefore the sale should be reverted.
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I hope Bethesda wins. I love the new fallout games
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I hope Bethesda wins. I love the new fallout gamesCapitan_Kid
Then you'd actually want Bethesda to lose, not win the case. The case is about Interplay's Fallout MMO. If Interplay gets to make it, they have no case to revert the Fallout IP to their ownership. If Bethesda wins, Interplay won't have made their MMO and now they have a case to revert the ownership of the IP.

Edit: I take this back, apparently the two cases are now linked, so the best case would be for both sides to lose, at least partially, so that the IP remains where it is, but Bethesda is basically told to stop getting in the way as well.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Cool. I guess the creators of Youtube can get Youtube back from Google.

DerekLoffin

If Google said to the creators of Youtube 'yes, you can use the Youtube TM for this other project X' as a condition of the sale, then turned around and fought the creators at every turn when they tried to do project X, then yeah, those creators would actually have a case that the conditions of sale were not met, and therefore the sale should be reverted.

That would be valid...except for the fact that Google straight up bought YT for around 1.6 billion if im not mistaken.

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So they were not doing anything with the Fallout series but once Bethesda made it into a goldmine and far more successful then Interplay ever did now Interplay just really really wants to make a fallout game.
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I think the best outcome would be that Obsidian (with proper funding, time and testing) gets to make new Fallout games. I could care less about who owns the license.

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Bethesda is actively producing Fallout games; when is the last time Interplay released anything? I can't recall the last time they had a noteworthy release that wasn't a re-release or HD remake. Fallout Online? We won't be seeing that for years, if ever.

If Interplay ever reclaimed the Fallout rights it would simply go back to being a stagnant, almost-forgotten IP just like everything else they own. I just wish Interplay would finally roll over and die so some other publisher could gobble up their IPs and actually do something with them.

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[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Cool. I guess the creators of Youtube can get Youtube back from Google.

DroidPhysX

If Google said to the creators of Youtube 'yes, you can use the Youtube TM for this other project X' as a condition of the sale, then turned around and fought the creators at every turn when they tried to do project X, then yeah, those creators would actually have a case that the conditions of sale were not met, and therefore the sale should be reverted.

That would be valid...except for the fact that Google straight up bought YT for around 1.6 billion if im not mistaken.

And your point is? I did use the word IF in there. These aren't comparable situations is all I was pointing out. As you say, Google bought YT outright, but Bethesda didn't buy the IP outright, they bought it with an extra condition tacked on that they are now fighting at every turn it seems.
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[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Cool. I guess the creators of Youtube can get Youtube back from Google.

DroidPhysX

If Google said to the creators of Youtube 'yes, you can use the Youtube TM for this other project X' as a condition of the sale, then turned around and fought the creators at every turn when they tried to do project X, then yeah, those creators would actually have a case that the conditions of sale were not met, and therefore the sale should be reverted.

That would be valid...except for the fact that Google straight up bought YT for around 1.6 billion if im not mistaken.

He is pointing out the fact that your analogy was flawed. Bethesda pretty much bought Fallouts IP on a lease for 3 games, in turn they gave them cash to fund the Fallout MMO, but Bethesda has done everything in there power to prevent the fallout MMO from ever happening. Therefore not fulfilling the terms of the contract.
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I hope not. Interplay was the one that killed Black Isle.
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I actually read over a bunch of the documents for Van Buren when they were still leaked online, a lot of it was really intresting stuff that Id certainly never seen before in an RPG. They really were moving away from the good/evil system that every modern RPG seems to have, and really focus on making though choices in a way that really only the witcher has done recently. For example they had an NPC known as "the hanged man" (Who was later adapted to "the burned man" in New Vegas) who was by far the strongest NPC you get get in the game. But because everyone in the Fallout world hated him, characters that you would meet would react very negativly to his presence, and it would require the NPC to be high in skill in order to properly diffuse the situation without aquiring negatives.

I would like to See Interplay make another Fallout game, Their original ideas for Van Buren were really great.

Apparently they actually still have some old Fallout 1 developers, who are currently working on the Fallout MMO.

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[QUOTE="killzonexbox"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Right. Maybe they should give up their death grip on Fallout and actually try to make something original.blitzcloud

Interplay are just being pathetic. Someone else managed to make your an IP you sold profitable, so now you want it back. Grow up.

it's kinda like giving your child on adoption because you're poor but if the kid gets to be a millionaire you want him back.

thank you great explanation..
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]A new Fallout from Interplay but without Black Isle...mmmmGeneralShowzer
Bethesda failed the license. At least i felt that way.

Do you think Interplay can do any better? Brotherhood of Steel comes to mind and that game wasn't the good. I rather Bethesda own the rights and also developed as well as Obsidian developing.

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I always thought Interplay was in the wrong. They sold the Fallout license to Bethesda in exhange for money and the right to do a Fallout MMO in 2 years. It's been 2 years since the sale of the license...and even Fallout 3 for that matter, and still no sign of the MMO. Basically, Interplay didn't fulfill their end of the bargain and naturally. Bethesda is furious, and threatened to revoke Interplay's right to the MMO due to inability to complete one in 2 years. Now Interplay is using that to their advantage by saying that Bethesda is denying them the right to develop the MMO, and in turn invalidating the sale of the license.

Without taking sides on who is the better developer like most of you guys, Interplay is in the wrong. I have been following Interplay for years, and there was a point in time where they were vey very desperate for money, hence the closure of Black Isle studios, which is now Obsidian Entertainment. They sold their beloved Fallout franchise to stay afloat, and failed to commit to the agreed development time of the Fallout MMO, and now want the license back after taking Bethesda's money. Interplay got cunning. And just for the record, most of Interplay's games which were good were either by Bioware or Black Isle. Interplay had more publishing than development skill. Black Isle was their in-house talent, and they got screwed by Interplay due to lack of funds. I dunno why people even support Interplay.

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Hmmm seems to me that the judge in the case has given interplay an ultimatum of producing certain documents and proof of things and they've yet to do it on last check.

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you made our franchise popular again, and now we want it back.
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If Interplay gets Fallout back, the entire franchise is dead in a year. Interplay doesn't have the developers to make a game that's playable, let alone fun. At least Bethesda has done something productive with the license.

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I always thought Interplay was in the wrong. They sold the Fallout license to Bethesda in exhange for money and the right to do a Fallout MMO in 2 years. It's been 2 years since the sale of the license...and even Fallout 3 for that matter, and still no sign of the MMO. Basically, Interplay didn't fulfill their end of the bargain and naturally. Bethesda is furious, and threatened to revoke Interplay's right to the MMO due to inability to complete one in 2 years. Now Interplay is using that to their advantage by saying that Bethesda is denying them the right to develop the MMO, and in turn invalidating the sale of the license.

Without taking sides on who is the better developer like most of you guys, Interplay is in the wrong. I have been following Interplay for years, and there was a point in time where they were vey very desperate for money, hence the closure of Black Isle studios, which is now Obsidian Entertainment. They sold their beloved Fallout franchise to stay afloat, and failed to commit to the agreed development time of the Fallout MMO, and now want the license back after taking Bethesda's money. Interplay got cunning. And just for the record, most of Interplay's games which were good were either by Bioware or Black Isle. Interplay had more publishing than development skill. Black Isle was their in-house talent, and they got screwed by Interplay due to lack of funds. I dunno why people even support Interplay.

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Actually, only production had to be started in 2 year, it did. The game was supposed to be completed in 4 years, we're not quite there yet, however since Bethesda keeps putting legal challenges in the way of Interplay getting on with the job, it is a wee bit confused.
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All I know is, Fallout 3 is an amazing game. I can't wait for the next one.

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[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

I always thought Interplay was in the wrong. They sold the Fallout license to Bethesda in exhange for money and the right to do a Fallout MMO in 2 years. It's been 2 years since the sale of the license...and even Fallout 3 for that matter, and still no sign of the MMO. Basically, Interplay didn't fulfill their end of the bargain and naturally. Bethesda is furious, and threatened to revoke Interplay's right to the MMO due to inability to complete one in 2 years. Now Interplay is using that to their advantage by saying that Bethesda is denying them the right to develop the MMO, and in turn invalidating the sale of the license.

Without taking sides on who is the better developer like most of you guys, Interplay is in the wrong. I have been following Interplay for years, and there was a point in time where they were vey very desperate for money, hence the closure of Black Isle studios, which is now Obsidian Entertainment. They sold their beloved Fallout franchise to stay afloat, and failed to commit to the agreed development time of the Fallout MMO, and now want the license back after taking Bethesda's money. Interplay got cunning. And just for the record, most of Interplay's games which were good were either by Bioware or Black Isle. Interplay had more publishing than development skill. Black Isle was their in-house talent, and they got screwed by Interplay due to lack of funds. I dunno why people even support Interplay.

DerekLoffin

Actually, only production had to be started in 2 year, it did. The game was supposed to be completed in 4 years, we're not quite there yet, however since Bethesda keeps putting legal challenges in the way of Interplay getting on with the job, it is a wee bit confused.

When Bethesda filed the first suit, Interplay really had it coming. They released a Fallout 1/Fallout 2 bundle knowing that Bethesda owns the IP at that time, and has full rights to the sale of all things 'Fallout'. Bethesda sued Interplay for selling a bundle of an IP which they no longer own at that time, and the suit snowballed into what it is now. Bethesda didn't sue Interplay as a means of preventing the development of the MMO. Interplay literally invited a suit against them.

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#42 AdrianWerner
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Screw Bethseda. They're trying to wriggle out of their original license agreement in very shameful way. They deserve to lose the license.

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a love when a publisher acts like it is the heart and soul of a series.

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#44 skrat_01
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Intriguing. Well while Bethesda ruined the franchise in ways just like Interplay did with Brotherhood of Steel (tactics was ok), Bethesda having Obsidian work on New Vegas was actually redeemable. Eh to both of them, shame for Fallout.
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#45 Jack-o-Thompson
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Bethesda should just let Interplay make the mmo, its gonna suck anyway since they don't own any of the stuff from the fallouts just the fallout mmo title. :P
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#46 cainetao11
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Technically, Interplay is right. If the MMO is a stipulation in the sale, then not allowing it will be a legal breach.
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you made our franchise popular again, and now we want it back.-The-G-Man-
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#48 killzonexbox
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Screw Bethseda. They're trying to wriggle out of their original license agreement in very shameful way. They deserve to lose the license.

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Screw interplay for destroying fallout and black isle...
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#49 Planeforger
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The ideal situation would be Bethesda losing the IP, Interplay going bankrupt, and Obsidian buying it up from them. Shame that it'll never happen, but a guy can dream... :(
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#50 _Pedro_
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I think the best outcome would be that Obsidian (with proper funding, time and testing) gets to make new Fallout games. I could care less about who owns the license.

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Vegas is patched up nicely, but yeah I agree obsidian should have been given more time. IMO it's a lot better than Fallout 3.