Interview - Ensemble on Halo Wars "Controller > KB/M"

http://forums.halo.fr/viewtopic.php?p=315181

Many people are balk to play an RTS with a game-pad. How did you do to make the game playable with a game-pad ? And what do you want to say to people who didn't want buy the game because it is on Xbox and not on computer?

We spent the first six months of the project looking at the controller and it could work with an RTS game. I think our control scheme actually works better than the keyboard/mouse combo and that we have really gotten past that barrier. I can't wait for everyone to pick up the controller and try the game, I don't think it will be possible to convince some people until after they try it.

Thoughts?

http://forums.halo.fr/viewtopic.php?p=315181

Many people are balk to play an RTS with a game-pad. How did you do to make the game playable with a game-pad ? And what do you want to say to people who didn't want buy the game because it is on Xbox and not on computer?

We spent the first six months of the project looking at the controller and it could work with an RTS game. I think our control scheme actually works better than the keyboard/mouse combo and that we have really gotten past that barrier. I can't wait for everyone to pick up the controller and try the game, I don't think it will be possible to convince some people until after they try it.

Thoughts?

Well..you're simply not going to get a gamepad to work with the same degree of precision and mousework.

However, it's just how their control scheme works so we can't bash 'em.

http://forums.halo.fr/viewtopic.php?p=315181

Many people are balk to play an RTS with a game-pad. How did you do to make the game playable with a game-pad ? And what do you want to say to people who didn't want buy the game because it is on Xbox and not on computer?

We spent the first six months of the project looking at the controller and it could work with an RTS game. I think our control scheme actually works better than the keyboard/mouse combo and that we have really gotten past that barrier. I can't wait for everyone to pick up the controller and try the game, I don't think it will be possible to convince some people until after they try it.

Thoughts?

II-FBIsniper-II

Many developers also think their games are gonna succeed. Most don't.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"]

http://forums.halo.fr/viewtopic.php?p=315181

Many people are balk to play an RTS with a game-pad. How did you do to make the game playable with a game-pad ? And what do you want to say to people who didn't want buy the game because it is on Xbox and not on computer?

We spent the first six months of the project looking at the controller and it could work with an RTS game. I think our control scheme actually works better than the keyboard/mouse combo and that we have really gotten past that barrier. I can't wait for everyone to pick up the controller and try the game, I don't think it will be possible to convince some people until after they try it.

Thoughts?

bladeeagle

Many developers also think their games are gonna succeed. Most don't.

Lair with Sixaxis was a good idea at the time :P

i hope their telling the truth, I hope to god they are telling the truth.

The obviously believe so, so what we will have to do is wait and see.

o god heavens no.

now im sure ensemble have done a great job building the game around the controllers limitations...there industry veterans who know what there doing. so the game should play fine.

but actually beating a keyboard and mouse in a RTS? im sorry but the very idea is just absurd. its like saying that a controller is bettter than a mouse and keyboard at FPSs or a mouse and keyboard is better for a sports game. it clearly isnt.

I think he has thought wrong and when the invetable PC version is announced it will have better controls. Some games are better on gaming pads and others are better on KB/M. that is just how it is.frankeyser

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Halo 3 still hasn't even had a rumor of being ported.

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]I think he has thought wrong and when the invetable PC version is announced it will have better controls. Some games are better on gaming pads and others are better on KB/M. that is just how it is.TMontana1004

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Halo 3 still hasn't even had a rumor of being ported.

Halo 2 wasn't announced until more than a year after the xbox release. :?

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]I think he has thought wrong and when the invetable PC version is announced it will have better controls. Some games are better on gaming pads and others are better on KB/M. that is just how it is.dgsag

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Halo 3 still hasn't even had a rumor of being ported.

Halo 2 wasn't announced until more than a year after the xbox release. :?

Regardless, I don't expect Halo Wars to get ported. Why would Ensemble spend so much time trying to prove that a controller can be used for an RTS, but then have it ported to the PC?

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]I think he has thought wrong and when the invetable PC version is announced it will have better controls. Some games are better on gaming pads and others are better on KB/M. that is just how it is.TMontana1004

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Halo 3 still hasn't even had a rumor of being ported.

Halo 2 wasn't announced until more than a year after the xbox release. :?

Regardless, I don't expect Halo Wars to get ported. Why would Ensemble spend so much time trying to prove that a controller can be used for an RTS, but then have it ported to the PC?

If it doesn't sell well on the 360.

Eww Halo Wars looks like crap, I don't think a console RTS will surpass World in Conflict this gen.3verlastingHero

The demo was a very early version and it still looked very good. Beautiful lighting and animations. And the large scale fight at the end was very interesting. Ensemble says that they are working on the AI at the moment, making the units actually move and shoot instead of standing in place. It's not simplified like people think.

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]I think he has thought wrong and when the invetable PC version is announced it will have better controls. Some games are better on gaming pads and others are better on KB/M. that is just how it is.thrones

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Halo 3 still hasn't even had a rumor of being ported.

Halo 2 wasn't announced until more than a year after the xbox release. :?

Regardless, I don't expect Halo Wars to get ported. Why would Ensemble spend so much time trying to prove that a controller can be used for an RTS, but then have it ported to the PC?

If it doesn't sell well on the 360.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Who are they trying to convince? :lol:tonythestudent

in the end, its all a matter of wich controller you prefer you know

If it doesn't sell well on the 360.

thrones

Halo Wars

If people play FPS with controller, why do hermits act as if you can't play an RTS game with one.EuroMafia

If people play FPS with controller, why do hermits act as if you can't play an RTS game with one.EuroMafia

If people play FPS with controller, why do hermits act as if you can't play an RTS game with one.EuroMafia

It's far from impossible, that's for sure. I know Ensemble can make it happen, I've had faith in them since the game was announced.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]I think he has thought wrong and when the invetable PC version is announced it will have better controls. Some games are better on gaming pads and others are better on KB/M. that is just how it is.TMontana1004

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Halo 3 still hasn't even had a rumor of being ported.

Halo 2 wasn't announced until more than a year after the xbox release. :?

Regardless, I don't expect Halo Wars to get ported. Why would Ensemble spend so much time trying to prove that a controller can be used for an RTS, but then have it ported to the PC?

If it doesn't sell well on the 360.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

TMontana1004

That was hilarious, the guy who said it was important to be able to make 300 actions per minute. A good player is one who knows exactly what actions to make, and only takes one effort to do it. Not clicking on where you want the unit to go 10 times.monkeychris

never seen a pro starcraft game before?

If people play FPS with controller, why do hermits act as if you can't play an RTS game with one.EuroMafia

because you cant put aim assist into an RTS.

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]I think he has thought wrong and when the invetable PC version is announced it will have better controls. Some games are better on gaming pads and others are better on KB/M. that is just how it is.darklord888

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Halo 3 still hasn't even had a rumor of being ported.

Halo 2 wasn't announced until more than a year after the xbox release. :?

Regardless, I don't expect Halo Wars to get ported. Why would Ensemble spend so much time trying to prove that a controller can be used for an RTS, but then have it ported to the PC?

If it doesn't sell well on the 360.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah because casuals who bought Halo actually know who Bungie is and what an RTS is. People will buy it because of the sotry and because it's HALO. Halo games always have great appeal.

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]I think he has thought wrong and when the invetable PC version is announced it will have better controls. Some games are better on gaming pads and others are better on KB/M. that is just how it is.darklord888

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Halo 3 still hasn't even had a rumor of being ported.

Halo 2 wasn't announced until more than a year after the xbox release. :?

Regardless, I don't expect Halo Wars to get ported. Why would Ensemble spend so much time trying to prove that a controller can be used for an RTS, but then have it ported to the PC?

If it doesn't sell well on the 360.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah because casuals who bought Halo actually know who Bungie is and what an RTS is. People will buy it because of the story and because it's HALO. Halo games always have great appeal.

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]If people play FPS with controller, why do hermits act as if you can't play an RTS game with one.cobrax75

because you cant put aim assist into an RTS.

:lol:

Yeah because casuals who bought Halo actually know who Bungie is and what an RTS is. People will buy it because of the story and because it's HALO. Halo games always have great appeal.TMontana1004

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]I think he has thought wrong and when the invetable PC version is announced it will have better controls. Some games are better on gaming pads and others are better on KB/M. that is just how it is.TMontana1004

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Halo 3 still hasn't even had a rumor of being ported.

Halo 2 wasn't announced until more than a year after the xbox release. :?

Regardless, I don't expect Halo Wars to get ported. Why would Ensemble spend so much time trying to prove that a controller can be used for an RTS, but then have it ported to the PC?

If it doesn't sell well on the 360.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah because casuals who bought Halo actually know who Bungie is and what an RTS is. People will buy it because of the story and because it's HALO. Halo games always have great appeal.

"Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots."

Now that's pure speculation. Most of the people who I play online with have finished the campaign. Why do you think Halo became so popular? Halo had a great story and hyped people up for the second one. Halo 2 had awesome multiplayer and a great story.

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]If people play FPS with controller, why do hermits act as if you can't play an RTS game with one.3verlastingHero

If your me and you've been gaming with a pad for the better part of 15 years, then your quicker, sharper, more precise and just better with a gamepad than a Keyboard and mouse.

I'm familiar with RTS' on both consoles and PC, Age of Mythology, Age of Empires, Generals and Red Alert and I would prefer them with a gamepad. I don't care about which is technically more precise, its better for my hands.

He's only stating that he thinks controller > KB/M for Halo Wars. Not all RTS games.

Anyway... I have Dawn of War 2 to wait for... not some meh-grade console RTS with an inferior universe. "Goes back to playing Company of Heroes".

"Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots."

Now that's pure speculation. Most of the people who I play online with have finished the campaign. Why do you think Halo became so popular? Halo had a great story and hyped people up for the second one. Halo 2 had awesome multiplayer and a great story.

TMontana1004

:lol: okay, lets be real here....nobody actually buy's a Halo game for its story....the story's in the Halo games arent exacly anything special.

I'm a huge RTS fan infact I'm actually kind've scary good at those games for some weird reason. There is no way a controller will ever be better than keyboard and mouse for this type of game. All good RTS players use a ton of hotkeys which there just aren't enough buttons for on a controller. Also you need a mouse because you need to be able to move large groups of units quickly, but once in battle you need to be able to manage each individually.

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

"Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots."

Now that's pure speculation. Most of the people who I play online with have finished the campaign. Why do you think Halo became so popular? Halo had a great story and hyped people up for the second one. Halo 2 had awesome multiplayer and a great story.

cobrax75

:lol: okay, lets be real here....nobody actually buy's a Halo game for its story....the story's in the Halo games arent exacly anything special.

Wow. Leave fanboy.

"Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots."

Now that's pure speculation. Most of the people who I play online with have finished the campaign. Why do you think Halo became so popular? Halo had a great story and hyped people up for the second one. Halo 2 had awesome multiplayer and a great story.

TMontana1004