Interview - Ensemble on Halo Wars "Controller > KB/M"

Also Halo 2 had an AWFUL single player with acrap story and the worst level design I saw last gen.darklord888

[QUOTE="darklord888"]



Also Halo 2 had an AWFUL single player with acrap story and the worst level design I saw last gen.II-FBIsniper-II

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

"Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots."

Now that's pure speculation. Most of the people who I play online with have finished the campaign. Why do you think Halo became so popular? Halo had a great story and hyped people up for the second one. Halo 2 had awesome multiplayer and a great story.

darklord888

Enlighten me.

[QUOTE="darklord888"]



Also Halo 2 had an AWFUL single player with acrap story and the worst level design I saw last gen.II-FBIsniper-II

...Halo does not have any decent story, at all. And don't say it has a massive backstory, because most of it is in books :|

Seriously, I bet a book designed for 10 year olds have a deeper story than Halo. Anthony Horowitz books anyone? :|

I don't think anyone I know played the game for the story, the closest I get is 'Master Chief is badass'

Eww Halo Wars looks like crap, I don't think a console RTS will surpass World in Conflict this gen.3verlastingHero

No RTS can surpass WiC. Yeah I said it :P.

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Eww Halo Wars looks like crap, I don't think a console RTS will surpass World in Conflict this gen.Wasdie

No RTS can surpass WiC. Yeah I said it :P.

Supreme Commander says otherwise :|

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"]



Also Halo 2 had an AWFUL single player with acrap story and the worst level design I saw last gen.thrones

...Halo does not have any decent story, at all. And don't say it has a massive backstory, because most of it is in books :|

Seriously, I bet a book designed for 10 year olds have a deeper story than Halo. Anthony Horowitz books anyone? :|

I don't think anyone I know played the game for the story, the closest I get is 'Master Chief is badass'

lmao is there something wrong with you? You honestly should have been on the Halo board during pre/post launch.

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Eww Halo Wars looks like crap, I don't think a console RTS will surpass World in Conflict this gen.Wasdie

No RTS can surpass WiC. Yeah I said it :P.

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Eww Halo Wars looks like crap, I don't think a console RTS will surpass Company of Heroes this gen.Wasdie

No RTS can surpass CoH. Yeah I said it :P.

;)

Seriously, I'm very addicted to Relic's games. Do you think I'll enjoy World In Conflict due to the fast-paced gameplay?

the Worst thing about Halo Wars isnt gonna be the controls either...its gonna be the fact that the gameplay looks absolutly basic...like C&C1 basic.

just look at this preview video for Company of Heroes, and try to say that Halo Wars is even close to that in depth.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"]



Also Halo 2 had an AWFUL single player with acrap story and the worst level design I saw last gen.TMontana1004

...Halo does not have any decent story, at all. And don't say it has a massive backstory, because most of it is in books :|

Seriously, I bet a book designed for 10 year olds have a deeper story than Halo. Anthony Horowitz books anyone? :|

I don't think anyone I know played the game for the story, the closest I get is 'Master Chief is badass'

lmao is there something wrong with you? You honestly should have been on the Halo board during pre/post launch.

I should've been, but I wasn't. Seriously, shooters like Rainbow Six Vegas have a more gripping story than Halo :| I mean, it's bright colourful and easy to follow but apart from that..it isn't much of a grand story.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Eww Halo Wars looks like crap, I don't think a console RTS will surpass Company of Heroes this gen.aliblabla2007

No RTS can surpass CoH. Yeah I said it :P.

;)

Seriously, I'm very addicted to Relic's games. Do you think I'll enjoy World In Conflict due to the fast-paced gameplay?

IF your looking for Team work oriented, online gameplay...than you will probably like it....

it may feel a little shallow by comparison to COH though.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

"Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots."

Now that's pure speculation. Most of the people who I play online with have finished the campaign. Why do you think Halo became so popular? Halo had a great story and hyped people up for the second one. Halo 2 had awesome multiplayer and a great story.

TMontana1004

Enlighten me.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Eww Halo Wars looks like crap, I don't think a console RTS will surpass Company of Heroes this gen.aliblabla2007

No RTS can surpass CoH. Yeah I said it :P.

;)

Seriously, I'm very addicted to Relic's games. Do you think I'll enjoy World In Conflict due to the fast-paced gameplay?

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

"Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots."

Now that's pure speculation. Most of the people who I play online with have finished the campaign. Why do you think Halo became so popular? Halo had a great story and hyped people up for the second one. Halo 2 had awesome multiplayer and a great story.

darklord888

Enlighten me.

Well I guess I'm still ignorant because that didn't change my mind.

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Eww Halo Wars looks like crap, I don't think a console RTS will surpass Company of Heroes this gen.cobrax75

No RTS can surpass CoH. Yeah I said it :P.

;)

Seriously, I'm very addicted to Relic's games. Do you think I'll enjoy World In Conflict due to the fast-paced gameplay?

IF your looking for Team work oriented, online gameplay...than you will probably like it....

it may feel a little shallow by comparison to COH though.

Unfortunately, that spells out a "no" for me.

I will like it, but I doubt I would really play it much. I'm no online gamer. My RTS game lifetime is primarily enhanced by my own modding.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

"Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots."

Now that's pure speculation. Most of the people who I play online with have finished the campaign. Why do you think Halo became so popular? Halo had a great story and hyped people up for the second one. Halo 2 had awesome multiplayer and a great story.

TMontana1004

Enlighten me.

Well I guess I'm still ignorant because that didn't change my mind.

If you read the book, it doesn't really count as the game's story because a game's story should be experienced by you know..playing it.

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"]



Also Halo 2 had an AWFUL single player with acrap story and the worst level design I saw last gen.thrones

...Halo does not have any decent story, at all. And don't say it has a massive backstory, because most of it is in books :|

Seriously, I bet a book designed for 10 year olds have a deeper story than Halo. Anthony Horowitz books anyone? :|

I don't think anyone I know played the game for the story, the closest I get is 'Master Chief is badass'

lmao is there something wrong with you? You honestly should have been on the Halo board during pre/post launch.

I should've been, but I wasn't. Seriously, shooters like Rainbow Six Vegas have a more gripping story than Halo :| I mean, it's bright colourful and easy to follow but apart from that..it isn't much of a grand story.

Good for your opinion. My opinion is that it's my second favorite story ever, following Mass Effect. Halo was very different and had multiple stories going on at once. I loved every second of it.

Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots.darklord888

So you've asked an annonymous number of players that you've encountered on XBL if they've played Halo solely for its story? You must have access to an invisible ticker that says "This player buy Halo 3 for its multi/campaign."

Let me correct you: You have no way to distiguise either, you pulled that number straight from your behind. And you got nerve to bash ANY game for its story when your sporting a Command and Conquer Franchise in your UI, everything your saying can actually apply to it aswell, ironic.

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

"Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots."

Now that's pure speculation. Most of the people who I play online with have finished the campaign. Why do you think Halo became so popular? Halo had a great story and hyped people up for the second one. Halo 2 had awesome multiplayer and a great story.

darklord888

So no one bought Halo for its single player when it launched? With nothing but speculation, we all knew that Halo would be this blockbuster when onling gaming for consoles virtually didn't exist and LAN gaming was impractical for the console crowd. If we have that kind of foresight then why do such horrible games sell so well.

Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots.darklord888

So you've asked an annonymous number of players that you've encountered on XBL if they've played Halo solely for its story? You must have access to an invisible ticker that says "This player buy Halo 3 for its multi/campaign" or you must have dusty eye-balls.

Let me correct you: You have no way to distiguise either, you pulled that number straight from your behind. And you got nerve to bash ANY game for its story when your sporting a Command and Conquer Franchise in your UI, everything your saying can actually apply to it aswell, ironic.

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

"Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots."

Now that's pure speculation. Most of the people who I play online with have finished the campaign. Why do you think Halo became so popular? Halo had a great story and hyped people up for the second one. Halo 2 had awesome multiplayer and a great story.

darklord888

So no one bought Halo for its single player when it launched? With nothing but speculation, we all knew that Halo would be this blockbuster when onling gaming for consoles virtually didn't exist and LAN gaming was impractical for the console crowd. If we have that kind of foresight then why do such horrible games sell so well.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Eww Halo Wars looks like crap, I don't think a console RTS will surpass Company of Heroes this gen.aliblabla2007

No RTS can surpass CoH. Yeah I said it :P.

;)

Seriously, I'm very addicted to Relic's games. Do you think I'll enjoy World In Conflict due to the fast-paced gameplay?

IF your looking for Team work oriented, online gameplay...than you will probably like it....

it may feel a little shallow by comparison to COH though.

Unfortunately, that spells out a "no" for me.

I will like it, but I doubt I would really play it much. I'm no online gamer. My RTS game lifetime is primarily enhanced by my own modding.

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Eww Halo Wars looks like crap, I don't think a console RTS will surpass Company of Heroes this gen.anshul89

No RTS can surpass CoH. Yeah I said it :P.

;)

Seriously, I'm very addicted to Relic's games. Do you think I'll enjoy World In Conflict due to the fast-paced gameplay?

I can't.... my Internet Connection is slower than a snail. Sorry. :(

Besides, if I did, I'd get pwned. Because of my connection speed, I've never played a MP game before.

And plus, I play using mods. I just love seeing my guys fire at 3 times the original distance and with 3 times the original accuracy and 3 times more damaging rounds. :)

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Eww Halo Wars looks like crap, I don't think a console RTS will surpass Company of Heroes this gen.anshul89

No RTS can surpass CoH. Yeah I said it :P.

;)

Seriously, I'm very addicted to Relic's games. Do you think I'll enjoy World In Conflict due to the fast-paced gameplay?

IF your looking for Team work oriented, online gameplay...than you will probably like it....

it may feel a little shallow by comparison to COH though.

Unfortunately, that spells out a "no" for me.

I will like it, but I doubt I would really play it much. I'm no online gamer. My RTS game lifetime is primarily enhanced by my own modding.

Look at my above post.

It affects my forum posting too... slow internet connection = slow response.

[QUOTE="darklord888"]
Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots.Pro_wrestler

So you've asked an annonymous number of players that you've encountered on XBL if they've played Halo solely for its story? You must have access to an invisible ticker that says "This player buy Halo 3 for its multi/campaign."

Let me correct you: You have no way to distiguise either, you pulled that number straight from your behind. And you got nerve to bash ANY game for its story when your sporting a Command and Conquer Franchise in your UI, everything your saying can actually apply to it aswell, ironic.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

"Story? About 50% of people I see online haven't even PLAYED the story they want it for the FPS multiplayer. They'd see the difference between a FPS and a RTS they are complete idiots."

Now that's pure speculation. Most of the people who I play online with have finished the campaign. Why do you think Halo became so popular? Halo had a great story and hyped people up for the second one. Halo 2 had awesome multiplayer and a great story.

Pro_wrestler

So no one bought Halo for its single player when it launched? With nothing but speculation, we all knew that Halo would be this blockbuster when onling gaming for consoles virtually didn't exist and LAN gaming was impractical for the console crowd. If we have that kind of foresight then why do such horrible games sell so well.

Look at my above post.

It affects my forum posting too... slow internet connection = slow response.

aliblabla2007

In other words, they oversimplified the interface, so you can't micro manage like you can in most PC rts games?Vandalvideo

Why would simplification turn out to be a negative suddenly? 'Micromanagement' worked well in Tiberium Wars.

The way I see it with Keyboard is you have 88-105 keys, which in my mind posses too many oppertunitys for redundant keystrokes, which if you configure the layout yourself or simplify to your liking you could eliminate those mistakes.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]In other words, they oversimplified the interface, so you can't micro manage like you can in most PC rts games?Pro_wrestler

Why would simplification turn out to be a negative suddenly? 'Micromanagement' worked well in Tiberium Wars.

The way I see it with Keyboard is you have 88-105 keys, which in my mind posses too many oppertunitys for redundant keystrokes, which if you configure the layout yourself or simplify to your liking you could eliminate those mistakes.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]In other words, they oversimplified the interface, so you can't micro manage like you can in most PC rts games?Pro_wrestler

Why would simplification turn out to be a negative suddenly? 'Micromanagement' worked well in Tiberium Wars.

The way I see it with Keyboard is you have 88-105 keys, which in my mind posses too many oppertunitys for redundant keystrokes, which if you configure the layout yourself or simplify to your liking you could eliminate those mistakes.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]In other words, they oversimplified the interface, so you can't micro manage like you can in most PC rts games?Pro_wrestler

Why would simplification turn out to be a negative suddenly? 'Micromanagement' worked well in Tiberium Wars.

The way I see it with Keyboard is you have 88-105 keys, which in my mind posses too many oppertunitys for redundant keystrokes, which if you configure the layout yourself or simplify to your liking you could eliminate those mistakes.

In fact yeah it does say who has finished the single player or not and I said 50% of people I SEE online. I didn't say overall and I wasn't bashing Halo's story. It does have a weak story and I know C&C doesn't have a huge deep story. It isn't meant to it's meant to be cheesy(10 times that for red alert) with forced bad acting and over the top units and characters. Even so each C&C game has stronger characters than what Halo has without its books.darklord888

That doesn't mean anything..it just simply means "Who finished the campaign" Not who "bought Halo 3 for its story." So again, you have no way of knowing what intentions someone had of purchasing Halo. I highly doubt you've knowningly highlighted '50%' of the people you've encountered in Halo 3 based on data thats impossible to track. And, thanks for your opinion:)

Yeah no one bought Halo for the single player. That's what I said wasn't it? Honestly. :roll:
And if you read it properly you'd see I never said Halo had online. Multiplayer is split screen and system link as well which was Halo's strongest plus back then. Halo split screen was like SSBM, bigger even. Tons of people played Halo's multiplayer. Halo 2's online boosted it even bigger.darklord888

I'll just sum this up by saying: Link? :lol:

[QUOTE="darklord888"]
Yeah no one bought Halo for the single player. That's what I said wasn't it? Honestly. :roll:
And if you read it properly you'd see I never said Halo had online. Multiplayer is split screen and system link as well which was Halo's strongest plus back then. Halo split screen was like SSBM, bigger even. Tons of people played Halo's multiplayer. Halo 2's online boosted it even bigger.Pro_wrestler

I'll just sum this up by saying: Link? :lol:

[QUOTE="darklord888"]
Yeah no one bought Halo for the single player. That's what I said wasn't it? Honestly. :roll:
And if you read it properly you'd see I never said Halo had online. Multiplayer is split screen and system link as well which was Halo's strongest plus back then. Halo split screen was like SSBM, bigger even. Tons of people played Halo's multiplayer. Halo 2's online boosted it even bigger.Pro_wrestler

I'll just sum this up by saying: Link? :lol:

So you just read that 1 highlighted bit and didn't bother reading the rest I take it? Seriously read the WHOLE post before quoting it. That's like the 3rd time you've made a mistake by obviously not reading the whole thing.darklord888

Oh I read it, but that doesn't do anything to help your argument..I'm still waiting on you to provide proof that says 'no one bought Halo for its single player'

You guys are arguing over nothing.

Halo had a decent story, not the greatest evar, nor the worst.

It became popular because its single player was a very accessible, run and gun shoot em up game, with some pretty cool weapons and variety, and a great vehicle in the warthog. It wasn't the best at any one item, it was just outstandingly good at combining a bunch of items into something quite fun.

And then co-op made it better, and legendary, and, and, and.....

None of which has anything to do with whether Halo Wars will be good and whether they can make a solid controller scheme for this particular game. I am willing to wait and see as I like the odd RTS and a few haven't been bad on the 360.

[QUOTE="darklord888"]

So you just read that 1 highlighted bit and didn't bother reading the rest I take it? Seriously read the WHOLE post before quoting it. That's like the 3rd time you've made a mistake by obviously not reading the whole thing.Pro_wrestler

Oh I read it, but that doesn't do anything to help your argument..I'm still waiting on you to provide proof that says 'no one bought Halo for its single player'

[QUOTE="darklord888"]

So you just read that 1 highlighted bit and didn't bother reading the rest I take it? Seriously read the WHOLE post before quoting it. That's like the 3rd time you've made a mistake by obviously not reading the whole thing.Pro_wrestler

Oh I read it, but that doesn't do anything to help your argument..I'm still waiting on you to provide proof that says 'no one bought Halo for its single player'

ok pc gamer, time to add ensemble to the list of traitor!

bwhahaha controller>k/m in a rts, they are taking the Molyneux road

ok pc gamer, time to add ensemble to the list of traitor!

bwhahaha controller>k/m in a rts, they are taking the Molyneux road

No. Simple as that, no.darklord888

well...yeah pretty much.

No. Simple as that, no.darklord888

well...yeah pretty much that.

[QUOTE="darklord888"]No. Simple as that, no.samusarmada

well...yeah pretty much.

ok pc gamer, time to add ensemble to the list of traitor!

bwhahaha controller>k/m in a rts, they are taking the Molyneux road

Franko_3

is it me or are there a lot of them lately? Molyneux, Ensemble, Epic

That was hilarious, the guy who said it was important to be able to make 300 actions per minute. A good player is one who knows exactly what actions to make, and only takes one effort to do it. Not clicking on where you want the unit to go 10 times.monkeychris

That was a real ignorant thing of you to say. I reckon you are a good player who would beat any 300+ actions per minute making Korean starcraft gamer?

[QUOTE="Franko_3"]

ok pc gamer, time to add ensemble to the list of traitor!

bwhahaha controller>k/m in a rts, they are taking the Molyneux road

st1ka

is it me or are there a lot of them lately? Molyneux, Ensemble, Epic

yeah... atleast we got valve, blizzard and dozen of small/medium, but imaginative, devellopers to bring new gaming ideas so we are not stuck playing games like Cod 4, halo 3, ff#13...

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"]No. Simple as that, no.II-FBIsniper-II

well...yeah pretty much.

[QUOTE="monkeychris"]That was hilarious, the guy who said it was important to be able to make 300 actions per minute. A good player is one who knows exactly what actions to make, and only takes one effort to do it. Not clicking on where you want the unit to go 10 times.Arsuz

That was a real ignorant thing of you to say. I reckon you are a good player who would beat any 300+ actions per minute making Korean starcraft gamer?

I doubt I could beat any 10+ actions per minute Korean starcraft gamer, professional or otherwise...let alone some 300 action jedi master :)

Nevertheless, the hermits miss the point on this time and time again,

1. a tiny wee pitifully small % of gamers play at that level. A game does not need to be designed to allow uber nerds sitting in front of their PCs making a zillion moves over 4 days and then dying of exhaustion...to be good.

2. console RTS can be just as enjoyable. We aren't losing anything. We are gaining what we otherwise would not have. We aren't competing against professional Korean players. We are playing against other console players with the same limitations.

3. We get it. KB/mouse is better for RTS (at least those to date...and maybe for ever). So what? I don't PC game. Period. Ergo, I am just fine with console RTS games. The more the merrier. The better and better the interfaces get the happier I am.

4. We don't care if it will never be as good as KB/M.

[QUOTE="Arsuz"]

[QUOTE="monkeychris"]That was hilarious, the guy who said it was important to be able to make 300 actions per minute. A good player is one who knows exactly what actions to make, and only takes one effort to do it. Not clicking on where you want the unit to go 10 times.SUD123456

That was a real ignorant thing of you to say. I reckon you are a good player who would beat any 300+ actions per minute making Korean starcraft gamer?

I doubt I could beat any 10+ actions per minute Korean starcraft gamer, professional or otherwise...let alone some 300 action jedi master :)

Nevertheless, the hermits miss the point on this time and time again,

1. a tiny wee pitifully small % of gamers play at that level. A game does not need to be designed to allow uber nerds sitting in front of their PCs making a zillion moves over 4 days and then dying of exhaustion...to be good.

2. console RTS can be just as enjoyable. We aren't losing anything. We are gaining what we otherwise would not have. We aren't competing against professional Korean players. We are playing against other console players with the same limitations.

3. We get it. KB/mouse is better for RTS (at least those to date...and maybe for ever). So what? I don't PC game. Period. Ergo, I am just fine with console RTS games. The more the merrier. The better and better the interfaces get the happier I am.

4. We don't care if it will never be as good as KB/M.

Your points are valid. However, we are arguing against the console fanboys who say that console rtses are better than PCs.