Is 1080p really needed in games ?

[QUOTE="arto1223"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]I'll tell you this, Halo 3 at 600p on console destroys Halo 2 pc version at 1600p. Cranler

Oh, so you're just ignorant.

You would have to be if you think comparing a game that came out on the old XBox and ported over to the PC would look (un-modded) better than a game released many years later with a new engine on a new system. It's funny though, because there is a mod for Halo 2 on the PC that turns it into Halo 3 and it looks far better than the 360 version (in both 720 and 1080 because of all the added effects).

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

4k is 3840x2160. There's also UHD, also known as 4k for some reason, and it's 4096x2160. UHD is for igital cinema and the other is for everything else like TV and games.

glez13

Isn't that 8K?

I'm to lazy to start the calculator. :P

I can't believe what I'm seeing here. This is turning out like that Breath of Fire 4 PC has better graphics than Uncharted 2 thread. :|

glez13

[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] Can't wait to try that res!

mitu123

Isn't that 8K?

I'm to lazy to start the calculator. :P

Yeah just saw the wiki. The 4K refers to the lines and not the pixels.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="arto1223"]

Oh, so you're just ignorant.

You would have to be if you think comparing a game that came out on the old XBox and ported over to the PC would look (un-modded) better than a game released many years later with a new engine on a new system. It's funny though, because there is a mod for Halo 2 on the PC that turns it into Halo 3 and it looks far better than the 360 version (in both 720 and 1080 because of all the added effects).

04dcarraher

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]has any one taken a a PC game and taken a 720p picture then just turn it up to 1080p. So far I've seen a 480i image compared with 1080p image on an emulator, probably with extra settings A possible 720p picture that has washed out colors compared to a 1080p with better color, and what looks like heavier AFjun_aka_pekto

Here's a Crysis 2 image. One was captured at 720p, opened with Paintshop Pro, and previewed fullscreen at 1080p. Then I made another screen capture of the preview at 1080p. The second image is 1080p native:

To view full-size of each, Right-Click, View Image.

This is a proper representation of the difference in resCranler

Don't forget to Right-Click and View image to see the actual representation. :lol:

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]has any one taken a a PC game and taken a 720p picture then just turn it up to 1080p. So far I've seen a 480i image compared with 1080p image on an emulator, probably with extra settings A possible 720p picture that has washed out colors compared to a 1080p with better color, and what looks like heavier AFCranler

Here's a Crysis 2 image. One was captured at 720p, opened with Paintshop Pro, and previewed fullscreen at 1080p. Then I made another screen capture of the preview at 1080p. The second image is 1080p native

most ps4 and next xbox are going to be 1080p 30/60fps and upscale up to 4k..that's why they are using HDMI 1.4 and you're really an idiot to believe that next gen consoles are going to be able to achieve avatar like graphics at 720p :lol:

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Here's a Crysis 2 image. One was captured at 720p, opened with Paintshop Pro, and previewed fullscreen at 1080p. Then I made another screen capture of the preview at 1080p. The second image is 1080p nativeferret-gamer

most ps4 and next xbox are going to be 1080p 30/60fps and upscale up to 4k..that's why they are using HDMI 1.4Tessellation

[QUOTE="Cranler"]This is a proper representation of the difference in resjun_aka_pekto

Don't forget to Right-Click and View image to see the actual representation. :lol:

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] You mean the exact same thing various other people have done on the forum and you complained about?faizan_faizan

I just checked a thread on the ds fix and I was right. Not only is that gif a representation of going from 1024x720 to 1080p, its also a representation of going from out of native res on a monitor into native res. So that gif has no relevance here whatsoever.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Halo 3 is an upgraded version of the engine used for Halo 2. HDR and better shadowing are the big differences between Halo 2 and Halo 3. Many people in this thread speak as if resolution is everything in this thread. If it was then Halo 2 would look better at higher res.Cranler

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="Cranler"] Im talking about the Dark Souls gif which has a blur filter on the 720p shot.Cranler

or the fact at low resolutions prevent the pixels from displaying the correct amount of detail.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Here's the real point, whats the point of better effects and texture detail when the screen resolution prohibits the ability to show all the assets in game. You downplay resolution when if fact both advancements in graphics quality and effects go hand and hand with resolutio.

04dcarraher

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]This is a proper representation of the difference in resCranler

Don't forget to Right-Click and View image to see the actual representation. :lol:

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Sorry, theres more going on here than just a res change unless you expect me to beleive 720p cant properly render the color blue. If this was for real then 480p would be black and white and too blurry to even read menus or ammo counts. Most likey the 720p shot has a blur filter similar to GTA 4.

Cranler

Why are you focusing on the blurriness/dithering and not what matters which is the quality of the displayed details?

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Don't forget to Right-Click and View image to see the actual representation. :lol:

mitu123

What Happens When You Use a Non-Native Resolution

Now, imagine that your computers video card sends an 800×600 image to a 1366×768 LCD youll see that the 800×600 image doesnt evenly correspond to the number of pixels in the LCD. To produce an image smaller than its native resolution, the display would still be using 1366×768 pixels so the display must interpolate (scale) the image to be larger and fill the screen. In the example here, the aspect ratios (4:3 for 800×600 and 16:9 for 1366×768) are different so not only will the image be enlarged, the image will be distorted. This is similar to enlarging an image in an image-editing program youll lose clarity and, if the image is a different aspect ratio, it will appear distorted. For example, here Ive taken a screenshot of How-To Geek at 800×600 and enlarged it to 1366×768 (I then shrunk it, maintaining the aspect ratio, so it would fit this article.) As you can see, the image is blurry from being enlarged and distorted from being widened. This is what your LCD does when you use a non-native resolution.

http://www.howtogeek.com/119117/htg-explains-why-using-your-monitors-native-resolution-is-important/

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] OMG are you that dense? Dark Souls ingame engine renders at 1024x720 and then upscales to the set screen resolution the mod/fix changes the native render resolution.glez13

Why are you focusing on the blurriness/dithering and not what matters which is the quality of the displayed details?

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] OMG are you that dense? Dark Souls ingame engine renders at 1024x720 and then upscales to the set screen resolution the mod/fix changes the native render resolution.glez13

Why are you focusing on the blurriness/dithering and not what matters which is the quality of the displayed details?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] This is a proper representation, I gamed enough on a crt that supported 800x600 up to 2048x1536 to know what the differences are like. I also think alot of people on here are forgetting that games out of native res on a lcd monitor look awful while on a tv thats not the case. Cranler

What Happens When You Use a Non-Native Resolution

Now, imagine that your computers video card sends an 800×600 image to a 1366×768 LCD youll see that the 800×600 image doesnt evenly correspond to the number of pixels in the LCD. To produce an image smaller than its native resolution, the display would still be using 1366×768 pixels so the display must interpolate (scale) the image to be larger and fill the screen. In the example here, the aspect ratios (4:3 for 800×600 and 16:9 for 1366×768) are different so not only will the image be enlarged, the image will be distorted. This is similar to enlarging an image in an image-editing program youll lose clarity and, if the image is a different aspect ratio, it will appear distorted. For example, here Ive taken a screenshot of How-To Geek at 800×600 and enlarged it to 1366×768 (I then shrunk it, maintaining the aspect ratio, so it would fit this article.) As you can see, the image is blurry from being enlarged and distorted from being widened. This is what your LCD does when you use a non-native resolution.

http://www.howtogeek.com/119117/htg-explains-why-using-your-monitors-native-resolution-is-important/

Even still lets just forget the blue color or detail on the shield look at the steps, the sword, his sheath the tables the chairs, the floor the brick wall across the room it you cant see the difference your blind Cranler....04dcarraher

The worst part is that he agreed with the Crysis 2 pics that show the exact same effect were all the details are clearly of lower quality.

Unless...

[QUOTE="Cranler"]This is a proper representation of the difference in resjun_aka_pekto

Don't forget to Right-Click and View image to see the actual representation. :lol:

... :|

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] How so?:?

mitu123

What Happens When You Use a Non-Native Resolution

Now, imagine that your computers video card sends an 800×600 image to a 1366×768 LCD youll see that the 800×600 image doesnt evenly correspond to the number of pixels in the LCD. To produce an image smaller than its native resolution, the display would still be using 1366×768 pixels so the display must interpolate (scale) the image to be larger and fill the screen. In the example here, the aspect ratios (4:3 for 800×600 and 16:9 for 1366×768) are different so not only will the image be enlarged, the image will be distorted. This is similar to enlarging an image in an image-editing program youll lose clarity and, if the image is a different aspect ratio, it will appear distorted. For example, here Ive taken a screenshot of How-To Geek at 800×600 and enlarged it to 1366×768 (I then shrunk it, maintaining the aspect ratio, so it would fit this article.) As you can see, the image is blurry from being enlarged and distorted from being widened. This is what your LCD does when you use a non-native resolution.

http://www.howtogeek.com/119117/htg-explains-why-using-your-monitors-native-resolution-is-important/

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

The worst part is that he agreed with the Crysis 2 pics that show the exact same effect were all the details are clearly of lower quality.

Unless...

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]This is a proper representation of the difference in resglez13

Don't forget to Right-Click and View image to see the actual representation. :lol:

... :|

Here you dont see a drastic change in color. This proves theres more to that gif than just a res change.

Bu-Bu-But, is 720p needed? Let's go all out in 480p! Woot!

[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

Don't forget to Right-Click and View image to see the actual representation. :lol:

Cranler

... :|

This is still going on?

Okay.

I take it all back.

Considering that his only goal is to create threads that turn into hundreds of posts of people showing an equal lack of understanding to his own.

Loosey is a genius.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="glez13"]

... :|

04dcarraher

Here you dont see a drastic change in color. This proves theres more to that gif than just a res change.

Cranler

I wasn't even looking arond for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWweRkiYw_0 but just happen to come across it and thought of this thread. The video claims to just change the in game engine rendering resolution and nothing else. So if what the video shows is correct then any logical thinking person can deduce for recent games with decent textures more rendering resolution is better.

For those who don't understand rendering resolution is the game engine's resolution. It has nothing to do with the resolution of your tv/monitor; that is involved later.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Cranler"] The red truck didnt suddenly become almost black and white in the Crysis picsCranler

I wasn't even looking arond for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWweRkiYw_0 but just happen to come across it and thought of this thread. The video claims to just change the in game engine rendering resolution and nothing else. So if what the video shows is correct then any logical thinking person can deduce for recent games with decent textures more rendering resolution is better.

For those who don't understand rendering resolution is the game engine's resolution. It has nothing to do with the resolution of your tv/monitor; that is involved later.

Exxite

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]I thought this was common knowledge.

What Happens When You Use a Non-Native Resolution

Now, imagine that your computers video card sends an 800×600 image to a 1366×768 LCD youll see that the 800×600 image doesnt evenly correspond to the number of pixels in the LCD. To produce an image smaller than its native resolution, the display would still be using 1366×768 pixels so the display must interpolate (scale) the image to be larger and fill the screen. In the example here, the aspect ratios (4:3 for 800×600 and 16:9 for 1366×768) are different so not only will the image be enlarged, the image will be distorted. This is similar to enlarging an image in an image-editing program youll lose clarity and, if the image is a different aspect ratio, it will appear distorted. For example, here Ive taken a screenshot of How-To Geek at 800×600 and enlarged it to 1366×768 (I then shrunk it, maintaining the aspect ratio, so it would fit this article.) As you can see, the image is blurry from being enlarged and distorted from being widened. This is what your LCD does when you use a non-native resolution.

http://www.howtogeek.com/119117/htg-explains-why-using-your-monitors-native-resolution-is-important/

Cranler

[QUOTE="Exxite"]

I wasn't even looking arond for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWweRkiYw_0 but just happen to come across it and thought of this thread. The video claims to just change the in game engine rendering resolution and nothing else. So if what the video shows is correct then any logical thinking person can deduce for recent games with decent textures more rendering resolution is better.

For those who don't understand rendering resolution is the game engine's resolution. It has nothing to do with the resolution of your tv/monitor; that is involved later.

Cranler

That video does what the gif was trying to show just better. Why comment about the gif but be against the video?

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Maybe it's bad for general use, but it's not bad for gaming.

mitu123

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Exxite"]

I wasn't even looking arond for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWweRkiYw_0 but just happen to come across it and thought of this thread. The video claims to just change the in game engine rendering resolution and nothing else. So if what the video shows is correct then any logical thinking person can deduce for recent games with decent textures more rendering resolution is better.

For those who don't understand rendering resolution is the game engine's resolution. It has nothing to do with the resolution of your tv/monitor; that is involved later.

Exxite

That video does what the gif was trying to show just better. Why comment about the gif but be against the video?

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Low res doesnt mute clolrs like that, when are you going to get that through your thick scull. That gif is more than just a res change. heres the link to the original screens I posted. Only difference is sharpness and clarity as it should be, clothes are the EXACT same color. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488240Cranler

And your blind if you dont think resolution does not play a role in graphics....

Whats the point in creating high resolution textures and use high quqality assets when resolution prohibits to ability to see all the detail....

[QUOTE="Exxite"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] This thread isnt about the same graphics at different resolutions.Cranler

That video does what the gif was trying to show just better. Why comment about the gif but be against the video?

That gif is weird I agree. However the video shows that by upping the ingame rendering resolution more detail is revealed. Same textures just the game isn't "down" rendering them when unlocked.

If what you're on about is simply having higher resolution doesn't make games better then I agree. However I don't think for a minute from software redid their textures for the port. So it seems their artists design textures more detailed than a ps3/360 console is capable of showing; so in that case yes I think higher resolution is needed.

Suddenly making a game like halo 2 render at 1920x1080 is not going to make it much better. The textures and the game engine would have to be changed. That's only old games though. I would imagine from's artists do their artwork not much different than any other game studio.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Exxite"]

That video does what the gif was trying to show just better. Why comment about the gif but be against the video?

Exxite

That gif is weird I agree. However the video shows that by upping the ingame rendering resolution more detail is revealed. Same textures just the game isn't "down" rendering them when unlocked.

If what you're on about is simply having higher resolution doesn't make games better then I agree. However I don't think for a minute from software redid their textures for the port. So it seems their artists design textures more detailed than a ps3/360 console is capable of showing; so in that case yes I think higher resolution is needed.

Suddenly making a game like halo 2 render at 1920x1080 is not going to make it much better. The textures and the game engine would have to be changed. That's only old games though. I would imagine from's artists do their artwork not much different than any other game studio.

And your an idiot if you dont think resolution does not play a role in graphics....04dcarraher

Don't think resolution does not play a role in graphics? So would that mean that one is an idiot if they do think resolution does play a role in graphics?

I'm sorry. Grammar is very important for me to understand exactly what you're saying.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Cranler"] Lets ignore the fact that the lower res images have no enhancement to the graphics which is what this thread is all about. If youve played 720p games like Halo 4 or God of War 3 for example you would see theirs no pixelation or lego sized textures in those games. Cranler

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]And your an idiot if you dont think resolution does not play a role in graphics....psymon100

Don't think resolution does not play a role in graphics? So would that mean that one is an idiot if they do think resolution does play a role in graphics?

I'm sorry. Grammar is very important for me to understand exactly what you're saying.

That's why you should always try to stay classy.

[QUOTE="Exxite"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] No, that gif shows a huge difference in color vibrance, the pics I posted and the video you linked do not.Cranler

That gif is weird I agree. However the video shows that by upping the ingame rendering resolution more detail is revealed. Same textures just the game isn't "down" rendering them when unlocked.

If what you're on about is simply having higher resolution doesn't make games better then I agree. However I don't think for a minute from software redid their textures for the port. So it seems their artists design textures more detailed than a ps3/360 console is capable of showing; so in that case yes I think higher resolution is needed.

Suddenly making a game like halo 2 render at 1920x1080 is not going to make it much better. The textures and the game engine would have to be changed. That's only old games though. I would imagine from's artists do their artwork not much different than any other game studio.

There is no pc version of those games. The games look better at 720p because it more closely matches the games rendering resolutiion. If the games had a rendering resolution more close to 1920x1080 then 1080p would look better.

I could load up dark souls and force it to 1080p on my ps3 and it will look worse too. All it proves though is that the ps3 sucks at scaling a lower resolution up to 1920x1080. Dark souls would look better at 1080p thugh if by setting it at 1080p it also forced the game to render at 1080p.