Is 1080p too late for next gen consoles?

I mean this generation has been milked for quite some time, and 1080p has been a standard for PC gaming for quite some time. We already have had monitors with resolutions over 1080p for a couple of years. A 2560x1400 27" monitor can be bought for about $400 but monitors are usually priced higher than HDTVs despite HDTVs being bigger. HDTVs with resolutions higher than 1080p and larger screensizes are already in the works and if I'm right LG already has a 4k 84 inch HDTV in the Asian maket and Samsung has that 120in 8kx4k in the work. But of course they're both too expensive, but in a couple of years they'll be lowered in priced and I'm certain people will buy them whenever they go on sale on massive events such as black friday.

GPUs are starting to rack up in VRAM which leads me further to believe Nvidia and AMD Are preparing their GPUs for for higher resolutions to be a standard for gaming. We already have retina like screens. But 1080p should good nonetheless.

http://broadcastengineering.com/news/us_hdtv_two-thirds_research_01172012 We have just now reach 2/3 of households having HDTVs. Broadcasting of HD shows and entertainment is still lagging behind. Sure, higher resolution sets may become available some time in the future but the adoption rate is still really slow. Producing games in 1080p is still pretty expensive so the push for 1080p seems more reasonable than going beyond. There is not a proprietary media that has been introduced yet for higher resolution video and such. Considering how long we were stuck on 480p, it may be a while before commercially we move on to even higher resolution tv sets.

Also, higher resolution may only be more prevelant when it comes to larger sets as well. Once we start to hit that "retina" type display for standard size monitor/tvs then I think that's as far as it will go. After we reach that limit, things will move towards thinness, weight, power efficiency, brightness/saturation, and other slightly miniscule elements.

http://broadcastengineering.com/news/us_hdtv_two-thirds_research_01172012 We have just now reach 2/3 of households having HDTVs. Broadcasting of HD shows and entertain is still lagging behind. Sure, higher resolution sets may become available some time in the future but the adoption rate is still really slow. Producing games in 1080p is still pretty expensive so the push for 1080p seems more reasonable than going beyond. There is not a proprietary media that has been introduced yet for higher resolution video and such. Considering how long we were stuck on 480p, it may be a while before commercially we move on to even higher resolution tv sets.

Also, higher resolution may only be more prevelant when it comes to larger sets as well. Once we start to hit that "retina" type display for standard size monitor/tvs then I think that's as far as it will go. After we reach that limit, things will move towards thinness, weight, power efficiency, brightness/saturation, and other slightly miniscule elements.

MajorPain10

1080p is archaic.

I've been playing 1600p (which frankly is starting to seem small now) for 3 years.

1080p is LOWLrez. Unfortunately console / TV manufacturers are holding us back catering to noobs and parent budgets.

Yes, I'm kinda joking. But really, 1080p is shoddy.

edit: even when the new higher rez ('4K' etc) TVs become standardized I fear that console hardware won't be able to keep up, and the cycle continues.

PC gaming is the only solution to this problem.

http://broadcastengineering.com/news/us_hdtv_two-thirds_research_01172012 We have just now reach 2/3 of households having HDTVs. Broadcasting of HD shows and entertainment is still lagging behind. Sure, higher resolution sets may become available some time in the future but the adoption rate is still really slow. Producing games in 1080p is still pretty expensive so the push for 1080p seems more reasonable than going beyond. There is not a proprietary media that has been introduced yet for higher resolution video and such. Considering how long we were stuck on 480p, it may be a while before commercially we move on to even higher resolution tv sets.

Also, higher resolution may only be more prevelant when it comes to larger sets as well. Once we start to hit that "retina" type display for standard size monitor/tvs then I think that's as far as it will go. After we reach that limit, things will move towards thinness, weight, power efficiency, brightness/saturation, and other slightly miniscule elements.

MajorPain10

/Thread pretty quicky :P

I don't think we'll live enough to see the 2K resolution becoming the standard. Maybe on PC games but that is it.

And beside, unless you have a TV that is more than 15 foot tall/wide no one will be able to notice the difference anyway.

It'll be some time be for there are reasonably priced GPUs which can comfortably run games at 4K resolutions.

4K is more than 6 times the pixels of 1080p, to think 4K will be standard for gaming, any time soon, is ludicrous.

http://broadcastengineering.com/news/us_hdtv_two-thirds_research_01172012 We have just now reach 2/3 of households having HDTVs. Broadcasting of HD shows and entertainment is still lagging behind. Sure, higher resolution sets may become available some time in the future but the adoption rate is still really slow. Producing games in 1080p is still pretty expensive so the push for 1080p seems more reasonable than going beyond. There is not a proprietary media that has been introduced yet for higher resolution video and such. Considering how long we were stuck on 480p, it may be a while before commercially we move on to even higher resolution tv sets.

Also, higher resolution may only be more prevelant when it comes to larger sets as well. Once we start to hit that "retina" type display for standard size monitor/tvs then I think that's as far as it will go. After we reach that limit, things will move towards thinness, weight, power efficiency, brightness/saturation, and other slightly miniscule elements.

MajorPain10

4K is more than 6 times the pixels of 1080p, to think 4K will be standard for gaming, any time soon, is ludicrous.

C_Rule

Better late than never.

It'll be some time be for there are reasonably priced GPUs which can comfortably run games at 4K resolutions.

4K is more than 6 times the pixels of 1080p, to think 4K will be standard for gaming, any time soon, is ludicrous.

C_Rule

What about resolutions inbetween 4k and 1080p?

1080p is my "good enough" threshold whether for PC or console gaming especially if there's generous amounts of antialiasing. I'll eventually go beyond 1080p. But, I won't be in too much of a hurry.

1080p is my "good enough" threshold whether for PC or console gaming especially if there's generous amounts of antialiasing. I'll eventually go beyond 1080p. But, I won't be in too much of a hurry.

jun_aka_pekto

Remember the leap from 480 to 1080?

1080 is the new 480. Muddy looking fuzzball graphics. You can get a '1440' IPS monitor for $300, so there isn't much reason to artificially limit yourself, that is pretty cheap.

1080p is and will continue to be the standard for television for the foreseeable future. Why? Because at the television sizes people own, and at the distances they typically sit, there simply is no benefit. This article sums it up nicely.

And besides, we're about a decade into transitioning to HDTVs, and we still have around 1/3 of the population not yet on board, and those that have transitioned won't be keen to upgrade again soon. That's just not the way people buy TVs. Finally, content has yet to fully transition to HD yet, and much that is out there runs 720p and 1080i. People who think 4k will be mainstream anytime soon (and perhaps ever) are dreaming.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

1080p is my "good enough" threshold whether for PC or console gaming especially if there's generous amounts of antialiasing. I'll eventually go beyond 1080p. But, I won't be in too much of a hurry.

haberman13

Remember the leap from 480 to 1080?

1080 is the new 480. Muddy looking fuzzball graphics. You can get a '1440' IPS monitor for $300, so there isn't much reason to artificially limit yourself, that is pretty cheap.

I'm just going with mere eyeballing of the screen. So far, 1080p still looks good to me. I might go with something higher if the polygon count for most games gets higher as well. We're still seeing a lot of spherical objects that look faceted rather than smoothly curved on close examination. Obviously, 1440p will be the next step for me.

84" inches screen at 4 feet away with 20/20 eyesight the 2-4k resolutions is still not even visible! Talking about useless innovations....

http://carltonbale.com/does-4k-resolution-matter/

http://broadcastengineering.com/news/us_hdtv_two-thirds_research_01172012 We have just now reach 2/3 of households having HDTVs. Broadcasting of HD shows and entertainment is still lagging behind. Sure, higher resolution sets may become available some time in the future but the adoption rate is still really slow. Producing games in 1080p is still pretty expensive so the push for 1080p seems more reasonable than going beyond. There is not a proprietary media that has been introduced yet for higher resolution video and such. Considering how long we were stuck on 480p, it may be a while before commercially we move on to even higher resolution tv sets.

Also, higher resolution may only be more prevelant when it comes to larger sets as well. Once we start to hit that "retina" type display for standard size monitor/tvs then I think that's as far as it will go. After we reach that limit, things will move towards thinness, weight, power efficiency, brightness/saturation, and other slightly miniscule elements.

MajorPain10

http://broadcastengineering.com/news/us_hdtv_two-thirds_research_01172012 We have just now reach 2/3 of households having HDTVs. Broadcasting of HD shows and entertainment is still lagging behind. Sure, higher resolution sets may become available some time in the future but the adoption rate is still really slow. Producing games in 1080p is still pretty expensive so the push for 1080p seems more reasonable than going beyond. There is not a proprietary media that has been introduced yet for higher resolution video and such. Considering how long we were stuck on 480p, it may be a while before commercially we move on to even higher resolution tv sets.

Also, higher resolution may only be more prevelant when it comes to larger sets as well. Once we start to hit that "retina" type display for standard size monitor/tvs then I think that's as far as it will go. After we reach that limit, things will move towards thinness, weight, power efficiency, brightness/saturation, and other slightly miniscule elements.

MajorPain10

1080p is my "good enough" threshold whether for PC or console gaming especially if there's generous amounts of antialiasing. I'll eventually go beyond 1080p. But, I won't be in too much of a hurry.

jun_aka_pekto

I can't notice any improvements past 4x aa at 1920x1080.

I'll run 16x aa in older games for the lulz, but I don't really see a difference.

1080p is trash for any tv over 30 inch. Dat square pixel ruins everything.

1080p is already here. I play lot's of games on my HD TV that are 1080p, Skyrim is 1080p and so are several others. My HD TV goes up to 1080p as well. It tells me what HD Resolution a game is when I put it in.

Hermits are so misinformed about consoles. Especially the PS3.

1080p is already here. I play lot's of games on my HD TV that are 1080p, Skyrim is 1080p and so are several others. My HD TV goes up to 1080p as well. It tells me what HD Resolution a game is when I put it in.

Hermits are so misinformed about consoles. Especially the PS3.

ShadowMoses900

Quite being such a troll. you know very well current gen consoles are NOT rendering Skyrim at 1080p.

1080p is already here. I play lot's of games on my HD TV that are 1080p, Skyrim is 1080p and so are several others. My HD TV goes up to 1080p as well. It tells me what HD Resolution a game is when I put it in.

Hermits are so misinformed about consoles. Especially the PS3.

ShadowMoses900

1080p is already here. I play lot's of games on my HD TV that are 1080p, Skyrim is 1080p and so are several others. My HD TV goes up to 1080p as well. It tells me what HD Resolution a game is when I put it in.

Hermits are so misinformed about consoles. Especially the PS3.

ShadowMoses900

Once again Shadow comes in to educate us with his expansive knowledge of console hardware! :lol:

Next gen,I expect for consoles to work either at 720p/60 FPS,or 1080p/30 FPS...

Still,since outside boards like this most gamers don't have any issues with 720p,it's highly possible that resolution will stay,however,it'll be a standard,there won't be any sub-720p games like we have now...

Also,games would have good AA methods,eliminating jaggies,a widespread issue of console visuals.

And of course,for devs it's cheaper to pull off a good 720p,than to spend a lot of resources for 1080p...

As for me,I'm planning to go 1080p+ late next year...

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

1080p is already here. I play lot's of games on my HD TV that are 1080p, Skyrim is 1080p and so are several others. My HD TV goes up to 1080p as well. It tells me what HD Resolution a game is when I put it in.

Hermits are so misinformed about consoles. Especially the PS3.

Kinthalis

Quite being such a troll. you know very well current gen consoles are NOT rendering Skyrim at 1080p.

Sub HD is a myth made up by fanboys, especially hermits who are mad that consoles (especially the PS3) can do amazing graphics and resoluton too. The game is in 1080p, my TV even says so.

There is no such thing as a sub HD Blu Ray. All games on Blu Ray are HD.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

1080p is already here. I play lot's of games on my HD TV that are 1080p, Skyrim is 1080p and so are several others. My HD TV goes up to 1080p as well. It tells me what HD Resolution a game is when I put it in.

Hermits are so misinformed about consoles. Especially the PS3.

ShadowMoses900

Quite being such a troll. you know very well current gen consoles are NOT rendering Skyrim at 1080p.

Sub HD is a myth made up by fanboys, especially hermits who are mad that consoles (especially the PS3) can do amazing graphics and resoluton too. The game is in 1080p, my TV even says so.

There is no such thing as a sub HD Blu Ray. All games on Blu Ray are HD.

Upscaled...

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

1080p is already here. I play lot's of games on my HD TV that are 1080p, Skyrim is 1080p and so are several others. My HD TV goes up to 1080p as well. It tells me what HD Resolution a game is when I put it in.

Hermits are so misinformed about consoles. Especially the PS3.

ShadowMoses900

Quite being such a troll. you know very well current gen consoles are NOT rendering Skyrim at 1080p.

Sub HD is a myth made up by fanboys, especially hermits who are mad that consoles (especially the PS3) can do amazing graphics and resoluton too. The game is in 1080p, my TV even says so.

There is no such thing as a sub HD Blu Ray. All games on Blu Ray are HD.

Why would we make something up?

Consoles visually still haven't outmatched PC Crysis from 2007,so we really don't have anything to be mad about.

I don't know of any console game rendered natively at 1920x1080.

PS3 has many games rendered at native sub-720p resolutions,as well as the 360...

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

1080p is already here. I play lot's of games on my HD TV that are 1080p, Skyrim is 1080p and so are several others. My HD TV goes up to 1080p as well. It tells me what HD Resolution a game is when I put it in.

Hermits are so misinformed about consoles. Especially the PS3.

ShadowMoses900

Quite being such a troll. you know very well current gen consoles are NOT rendering Skyrim at 1080p.

Sub HD is a myth made up by fanboys, especially hermits who are mad that consoles (especially the PS3) can do amazing graphics and resoluton too. The game is in 1080p, my TV even says so.

There is no such thing as a sub HD Blu Ray. All games on Blu Ray are HD.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

1080p is already here. I play lot's of games on my HD TV that are 1080p, Skyrim is 1080p and so are several others. My HD TV goes up to 1080p as well. It tells me what HD Resolution a game is when I put it in.

Hermits are so misinformed about consoles. Especially the PS3.

ShadowMoses900

Quite being such a troll. you know very well current gen consoles are NOT rendering Skyrim at 1080p.

Sub HD is a myth made up by fanboys, especially hermits who are mad that consoles (especially the PS3) can do amazing graphics and resoluton too. The game is in 1080p, my TV even says so.

There is no such thing as a sub HD Blu Ray. All games on Blu Ray are HD.

WOW. Just wow.

It's like dealing with an idiot fundamentalist on the topic of evolution.

84" inches screen at 4 feet away with 20/20 eyesight the 2-4k resolutions is still not even visible! Talking about useless innovations....

http://carltonbale.com/does-4k-resolution-matter/

Gue1

No, I don't think so. It's likely to be the minimum standard for next-generation of consoles, so ALL games are going to be made at 1080p. Mark my words.

84" inches screen at 4 feet away with 20/20 eyesight the 2-4k resolutions is still not even visible! Talking about useless innovations....

http://carltonbale.com/does-4k-resolution-matter/

Gue1

this is the same type of argument people used in 1080p vs 720p so I'm gonna take that with a grain of salt, seriously how you not see any difference at all between 1080p and a resolution 4 times it quality. And it isn't useless because as TVs are getting bigger they need resolutions to to keep the quality

Next gen,I expect for consoles to work either at 720p/60 FPS,or 1080p/30 FPS...

Still,since outside boards like this most gamers don't have any issues with 720p,it's highly possible that resolution will stay,however,it'll be a standard,there won't be any sub-720p games like we have now...

Also,games would have good AA methods,eliminating jaggies,a widespread issue of console visuals.

And of course,for devs it's cheaper to pull off a good 720p,than to spend a lot of resources for 1080p...

As for me,I'm planning to go 1080p+ late next year...

Rocker6

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Next gen,I expect for consoles to work either at 720p/60 FPS,or 1080p/30 FPS...

Still,since outside boards like this most gamers don't have any issues with 720p,it's highly possible that resolution will stay,however,it'll be a standard,there won't be any sub-720p games like we have now...

Also,games would have good AA methods,eliminating jaggies,a widespread issue of console visuals.

And of course,for devs it's cheaper to pull off a good 720p,than to spend a lot of resources for 1080p...

As for me,I'm planning to go 1080p+ late next year...

Cranler

I'm not so sure about that,especially when you take into account next gen consoles most likely won't be powerhouses,MS and Sony want to be profitable right from the start,no losses per unit sold...

Even if 1080p became a console standard,issues like lack of good AA would most likely persist.

IMO,we have more chances at highly polished 720p with 60 FPS than unpolished 1080p with 30 FPS.

But it's all just speculation,we'll see...

You want games to run at 0.5 fps? 4k won't happen for some time... 1080p is pretty good so pray god EVERY next gen title support it.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

1080p is already here. I play lot's of games on my HD TV that are 1080p, Skyrim is 1080p and so are several others. My HD TV goes up to 1080p as well. It tells me what HD Resolution a game is when I put it in.

Hermits are so misinformed about consoles. Especially the PS3.

ShadowMoses900

Quite being such a troll. you know very well current gen consoles are NOT rendering Skyrim at 1080p.

Sub HD is a myth made up by fanboys, especially hermits who are mad that consoles (especially the PS3) can do amazing graphics and resoluton too. The game is in 1080p, my TV even says so.

There is no such thing as a sub HD Blu Ray. All games on Blu Ray are HD.

Just... just stop. Please.

Sub HD is a myth made up by fanboys, especially hermits who are mad that consoles (especially the PS3) can do amazing graphics and resoluton too. The game is in 1080p, my TV even says so.

There is no such thing as a sub HD Blu Ray. All games on Blu Ray are HD.

ShadowMoses900

You are an idiot :lol:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

1080p is my "good enough" threshold whether for PC or console gaming especially if there's generous amounts of antialiasing. I'll eventually go beyond 1080p. But, I won't be in too much of a hurry.

haberman13

Remember the leap from 480 to 1080?

1080 is the new 480. Muddy looking fuzzball graphics. You can get a '1440' IPS monitor for $300, so there isn't much reason to artificially limit yourself, that is pretty cheap.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Quite being such a troll. you know very well current gen consoles are NOT rendering Skyrim at 1080p.

Kinthalis

Sub HD is a myth made up by fanboys, especially hermits who are mad that consoles (especially the PS3) can do amazing graphics and resoluton too. The game is in 1080p, my TV even says so.

There is no such thing as a sub HD Blu Ray. All games on Blu Ray are HD.

WOW. Just wow.

It's like dealing with an idiot fundamentalist on the topic of evolution.

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

84" inches screen at 4 feet away with 20/20 eyesight the 2-4k resolutions is still not even visible! Talking about useless innovations....

http://carltonbale.com/does-4k-resolution-matter/

Cranler

Barely any TVs support resolutions over 1080p, and it's going to be a LONG ASS TIME before the FCC revamps their broadcast regulations to make anything denser be standard in the USA. 1080p is plenty for consoles for the forseeable future-- heck, both of my monitors for my PC max out at 900p.