is $149 natal REALLY that bad?

Until its confirmed i dont see the point in all this arguing, seriously, both prices for both products could be (very) different when they're officially announced/launched.

Bah, i'm in SW ... hi wall ...

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]Why would you buy both when you only need one. This is like the logic of cows saying playstation 3 is cheaper than xbox 360. Well if you include 4 months of XBL which cost 40$ than xbox 360 costs 400$ and playstation 3 cost 300$. Natal is a single player experience (which I will show you the wonderful 2 player gameplay) and move can have multiple people (surprisingly at the same price as natal). Both suck, natal just sucks at a larger degree. I am not going to buy either but natal apologists are damage controlling.

gamer-adam1

i think hes talking about the sub controller move needs the sub controller as well as the pseye and the well move controller

they did say not all games need the sub controller, but i bet 99% of games do

yea just like the wii mote and nunchuck you dont need the nunchuk for all games but 98% of them need it or is an option to use it.

But why wouldnt somebody add the sub controller if they are adding up all the wii peripherals the sub controller counts just as much M+ counts for the wii

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

2 Wii controllers cost more than that if you buy 1st party.

2 controllers cost as much or more

2 Move controllers will probably cost around the same

Natal isnt for 1 person only. Microsoft isnt that dumb

nintendo-4life

well the tech inside natal will of course jack up the price. if it was less than $100 idk if I would trust the tech thats in it. I doubht anyone else would sell there device for under $150 when its first released.

Look at the damage control :lol:

$149 or 149€ is horrible! Id rather buy 3 brand new games.

Look at the damage control :lol:

$149 or 149€ is horrible! Id rather buy 3 brand new games.

lucky_star

everyone is getting there damage control out, because once E3 hits, the other side will be doing the damage control

$150+ xbox cost = won't expand market, existing xbox users will buy it and that's it. The whole shebang is too pricey for casuals, the people it's targeting.

Keep in mind that in the rest of the world, it will cost more, $200+$300 for xbox = $500 in australia and europe. Casuals would burn it with fire.

Not for Lemmings, they are used to being milked this gen

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

2 Wii controllers cost more than that if you buy 1st party.

2 controllers cost as much or more

2 Move controllers will probably cost around the same

Natal isnt for 1 person only. Microsoft isnt that dumb

gamer-adam1

well the tech inside natal will of course jack up the price. if it was less than $100 idk if I would trust the tech thats in it. I doubht anyone else would sell there device for under $150 when its first released.

It's bad. Does M$ really think they can get the non gamers to spend $200 on the console and then $150 for natal?

[QUOTE="monson21502"]wiimote 40 bucks+numchuck 30 bucks+ wii motion plus 30 bucks= 100 bucks times 2 is 200 ps move mote 50bucks?+ ps nunchuck 40 buck?+ ps3 eye cam 30 bucks= 120 bucks another player add another 80-90 bucks for a grand total of 200 bucks natal 150 bucks that whole family can use= pricelessasylumni

Wiimote + motion+ $45 nunchuck $16

PS Move starter set with PS Eye + Move Wands + game < $100

Don't know where you've been shopping...:roll:

i dont know, it really depends if you use or , or want to use it, as long as you get your moneys worth and you enjoy using it, 150 isnt that bad for new tech, but if it was cheaper it sure would be better.

Both will be a waste of money. Neither are worth the price to play games that are 'ok' with it.

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="monson21502"][QUOTE="karasill"]$150 for a beefed up eyetoy will be a hard pill for the public to swallow. It may be fun for a little while and have an interesting game or two but it's probably not going to catch on and make a huge impact in the gaming market. I think natal is better suited in a PC type environment. Being able to do what you normally do without a mouse or touching the screen would be more practical.fightninja162

the wii was a system not a periperal add on and priced cheap

the natal will not be a hit it will get hit it's bound to be as much as a hit as the psp go.

Until its confirmed i dont see the point in all this arguing, seriously, both prices for both products could be (very) different when they're officially announced/launched.

Bah, i'm in SW ... hi wall ...

Snugenz

The move is just as expensive, if not more. the pricing would be as much as a higher quality webcam, which natal is. it probably also covers the cost of the free game(s?) that it will 100% come with.

dont forget natal works with X number of people, Move controller only works with 1.

The big thing is image quality when you use it as a webcam, I think everyone should wait till we know that before going off on the price

gamer-adam1

yes

have fun with your hd-dvd player 2.0

so we are now at a stage that we are defending huge prices?

seriusly ?

150$ is alot.also didnt they remove sth from natal to make it cheaper?150 was the price rumored before removing that.i wont give more than 2 full price games for natal 80-90 is a good deal i think.

so we are now at a stage that we are defending huge prices?

skanjos

Wouldn't be the first time. I recall Microsoft's USB Memory Stick being defended.

To even begin to argue for the $149.99 price point, you would have to first acknowledge the fact that Natal isn't a shameless ploy to appeal to the casual gamers.

Which it is, and thus brings up the question: why are people even defending it at all?

To even begin to argue for the $149.99 price point, you would have to first acknowledge the fact that Natal isn't a shameless ploy to appeal to the casual gamers.

Which it is, and thus brings up the question: why are people even defending it at all?

Gxgear

For a gimmick that doesnt improve gaming precision and controlls so we can more easily tell who the true pro masters are, and instead moves gaming backwards to the point of laggy wishy washy controls that make it so the person playing a game for the first time has the same chance to win as a tournament pro, its not worth 2 dollars. Enjoy your gimmick if your the "virtual boy" buying fad loving type.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

To even begin to argue for the $149.99 price point, you would have to first acknowledge the fact that Natal isn't a shameless ploy to appeal to the casual gamers.

Which it is, and thus brings up the question: why are people even defending it at all?

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

To even begin to argue for the $149.99 price point, you would have to first acknowledge the fact that Natal isn't a shameless ploy to appeal to the casual gamers.

Which it is, and thus brings up the question: why are people even defending it at all?

Mystic-G

Nintendo created a platform that was inexpensive, highly accessible, completely unthreatening, intuitive in interface and coupled with a rich history of wholesome family entertainment. That is how they drew in casual gamers from infants to the elderly. While the platform encompassed motion control, that's not, in my opinion, the reason the Wii has been and continues to be a success.

In short YES IT IS..

M$ is dropping an add-on when the economy is going thorugh a very rough patch. To even release something of this manitude with a price point that high is almost financial suicide. UNLESS the $299 Natal+Arcade rumor is true as well. In that case they MAY be able to secure a small sum of casuals however I can't see them succeeding without a significant price drop to the 360 hardware. As for the hardcore they won't see any revenue.. but again Natal isn't aimed at the hardcore anyway (at least from what we've seen).

Either way this is all premature.. We'll have to wait until E3 before we get Official pricing and release date info.

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

The move costs 99$ for a controller, webcam, and game. Are we going to use the over time argument again like xbox 360 v. Playstation 3 price. Because I am pretty sure 100 $ < 150 $.

nhh18

move has 2 controllers you are only buying 1 not both

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KTmssVLHxw

Lair has better precision than this.

what are you talking about...ur being too critical. i see people having fun at a party playing natal. thats a good thing for MS, people are enjoying it.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="Gxgear"]

To even begin to argue for the $149.99 price point, you would have to first acknowledge the fact that Natal isn't a shameless ploy to appeal to the casual gamers.

Which it is, and thus brings up the question: why are people even defending it at all?

nhh18

oh ur just a petty hater, lol. there's no need to write back....i see where u stand.

The move is just as expensive, if not more. the pricing would be as much as a higher quality webcam, which natal is. it probably also covers the cost of the free game(s?) that it will 100% come with.

dont forget natal works with X number of people, Move controller only works with 1.

The big thing is image quality when you use it as a webcam, I think everyone should wait till we know that before going off on the price

gamer-adam1

lol but youre paying $150 for garbage. $150 to pump gas and change tires without a control. $150 to talk to an imaginary boy. the move, whatever price its going to be released at, has been proven to work.

The move is just as expensive, if not more. the pricing would be as much as a higher quality webcam, which natal is. it probably also covers the cost of the free game(s?) that it will 100% come with.

dont forget natal works with X number of people, Move controller only works with 1.

The big thing is image quality when you use it as a webcam, I think everyone should wait till we know that before going off on the price

gamer-adam1

is this price tag confirmed?ohthemanatee

All boils down the the software that bundles with it / justifies it.The price point is a breaking point for many consumers, especially if you are pushing unproven hardware.skrat_01

I've got to believe MS is going to offer a package that gives the user a bunch of games to try out and have some fun with, much like what "N" did with the Wii Sports. Now all I need to know is if these games being offered include a Faux :P Diddy Kong Racing game from Rare. :D

Didn't Microsoft say at E3 that it would be relatively cheap? I honest to God remember them saying something about it being cheaper then a game cause they wanted it in everyone's homes. That price can't be right. Well it can they do always overprice their accesories but I think it'll be cheaper.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]is this price tag confirmed?greensthooligan

Looking at recent conversion of prices in gaming from the USA to European markets, I'm Expecting Eu prices of £99-120 or 130-150 Euro.....

I would be able to pick up 6 games at that price (Admitedly not new) or 3 new releases, It's seems a-bit steep at that price point and unless it was something entirely special I wouldn't even consider it (It's a similar price to two Rockband controllers but it's possible to buy the entire band kit for £100 and means Nata isn't ridiculously over priced but still expensive, Just for a comparison of to other peripherals).

When you consider this is an attempt to appeal to new customers it's really expensive athlough I would expect a bundle of Console + Natal + game with a saving of around £50 at least if Microsoft are serious about pushing this.

It's still turning out to be expenive if you want the full experience as a hardcore x-box gamer this gen, I mean if natal pushes the 360 onto a say 8 year lifespan thats £240 spent on live, say an average of £230 on the x-box this gen (Currently 200 for an elite and 160 for an Arcade but once you factor in price falls over this gen to date) and say £100 On Natal.

The above is all if's and but's the real reason I think it will fail or remain at Eye-toy like sales is that Devs won't be willing to only sell there product to a fraction of the userbase. That means most likely the games will include the optionfor both Natal and a conventional controller, and thus people will take the cheap option and just play with a regular contorller for the same experience unless they want a few boxing gmes etc which are gimmiky but intrestingly done using motion controlls.

And for the real doom mongers out there....the Sega 32x launched at $159 and despite being droped to $99 in a few weeks failed miserably.

The move is just as expensive, if not more. the pricing would be as much as a higher quality webcam, which natal is. it probably also covers the cost of the free game(s?) that it will 100% come with.

dont forget natal works with X number of people, Move controller only works with 1.

The big thing is image quality when you use it as a webcam, I think everyone should wait till we know that before going off on the price

gamer-adam1

It's not confirmed but if this is the price it's complete garbage. Also, the Sony Wii ripoff thing is overpriced too. I hope they both fail miiserably.

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

The move is just as expensive, if not more. the pricing would be as much as a higher quality webcam, which natal is. it probably also covers the cost of the free game(s?) that it will 100% come with.

dont forget natal works with X number of people, Move controller only works with 1.

The big thing is image quality when you use it as a webcam, I think everyone should wait till we know that before going off on the price

greensthooligan

when you buy move you arent also buying the sub controller. and that would cost more money

The move is just as expensive, if not more. the pricing would be as much as a higher quality webcam, which natal is. it probably also covers the cost of the free game(s?) that it will 100% come with.

dont forget natal works with X number of people, Move controller only works with 1.

The big thing is image quality when you use it as a webcam, I think everyone should wait till we know that before going off on the price

gamer-adam1

It's a terrible price point, considering it won't have any real games initially. Nintendo is likely going to lower the price of the wii to $150 and advertise how it is already established with some critically acclaimed games. In fact, Nintendo announcing a new console soon would be rather smart, because it could deter people from buying either the Move or natal. Would you rather buy a $250-300 brand new console made by nintendo, or an unproven $150 add-on to an existing 5 year old console?