Nope. For years, the display was behind the curve. Now? It has caught up with or even outpaced the graphics processors on consoles and PCs. There's 4k and 21:9 to choose from. I'm satisfied with my choice of displays.
Amazing. I said I couldn't see the difference from 900p upscaled by my old HDTV or Native 1080p and cows told me get my eyes checked in 2014-15. But 2k to 4k, cant see difference? Funny how things change huh?
I have a LG 32UD99-W 32" 4K monitor and I can easily tell the difference between 1440 and 4K. People saying you can't tell the difference needs to get their eyes checked! If a game has a shit ton of post processing like Resident Evil 2 it is harder because of the artificial blurring of the image, but I usually turn that shit off if I can because I want my image as crisp as possible. People who say you can't tell the difference on 32" monitors between 1440 and 4K are just lying to themselves!
In order to see any appreciable difference between 1080 and 4K, you need a huge display on the order of several feet across, which is far larger than most people can even fit in their homes. Below that size and any differences will be indistinguishable to the human eye.
What's "several" feet? No, the TV doesn't need to be very big at all to see a difference between FHD and 4K.
Greater than 60" diagonal. Anything less than that and you would have to stand uncomfortably close to see the difference. For example, a 48" 1080 display and a 48" 4K display will appear identical at a normal viewing distance, assuming all other things are equal.
Can't speak for everyone. I had a 4k tv before I got Xbox one X. Dude it's a huge difference!
Colors just popped more, more definition, less pop ins. I really dig it.
Feel like for some they are damage controlling for a console that cant do native 4k or PC gamers that continue the FPS argument.
If you found 1080p vs 900p a big deal, Native vs Fake 4k is huge.
So is FPS the new SW argument? We have been playing 30 for ever. There are many games doing 4k 60 on X, meanwhile even God of War or Spiderman are checkerboarded and 30 fps, and those are supposedly the best thing ever?
In order to see any appreciable difference between 1080 and 4K, you need a huge display on the order of several feet across, which is far larger than most people can even fit in their homes. Below that size and any differences will be indistinguishable to the human eye.
What's "several" feet? No, the TV doesn't need to be very big at all to see a difference between FHD and 4K.
Greater than 60" diagonal. Anything less than that and you would have to stand uncomfortably close to see the difference.
With a smaller screen, you're supposed to stand closer anyway.
For example, a 48" 1080 display and a 48" 4K display will appear identical at a normal viewing distance, assuming all other things are equal.
I'm most impressed with how HDR10 can improve image quality. That's the real improvement.
Agreed. HDR is awesome. There was one point in God of War where I just had to stop for a while to marvel at some incredibly red leaves. Boring, tedious game, but it has some impressive HDR. Old movies remastered for UHD are much more vibrant thanks to HDR.
In order to see any appreciable difference between 1080 and 4K, you need a huge display on the order of several feet across, which is far larger than most people can even fit in their homes. Below that size and any differences will be indistinguishable to the human eye.
What's "several" feet? No, the TV doesn't need to be very big at all to see a difference between FHD and 4K.
Greater than 60" diagonal. Anything less than that and you would have to stand uncomfortably close to see the difference.
With a smaller screen, you're supposed to stand closer anyway.
For example, a 48" 1080 display and a 48" 4K display will appear identical at a normal viewing distance, assuming all other things are equal.
I highly doubt it.
Doubt it all you want, but it has been proven in multiple tests. It's all about pixel pitch. At sizes less than 60", the pixel pitch of a 1080 display and a 4K display is indistinguishable to the human eye from a typical viewing distance (around 8-feet away for a normal living room).
@general_solo76: I flip between my x and my regular xbox one on a fairly regular basis and it feels almost like a generational difference in rdr2... the difference is that stark.
I think 4k becomes really crucial in games with a wide angle FOV settings. Details normally crushed by 1080p are now visible in the distance. Not only that, but jaggies are basically non existent making the render look more natural, 4k textures
can look extremely realistic. I agree that 1080p looks good enough and sometimes it is a bit hard to justify the 4k jump at this moment in time, especially since it's done so through all the post processing techniques like you say. Console power could use better looking assets first before enabling a 4k res. I am all up for 1080p/4k settings combo next gen. But 4k provides a bigger than life experience which can feel truly special, especially in combination with a good executed HDR. Assassin's Creed Origins due to it's excellent HDR looks better to me than Red Dead Redemption. The photorealism with HDR and near 4k is a sight to behold.
I own a 4k Blu-ray collection ranging from the Nolan Collection to the Matrix Trilogy, and dear god do HDR 4K 10-bit movies look good. I would even say for the first time do I feel home entertainment is outdoing it's IMAX theatre counterpart. The original Matrix looks amazing for a 1999 movie, Blade Runner 2049 and The Revenant look out of this world good. Blacks are deep and detailed, colours have a depth and feel to them that makes the film look like looking through a window, highlights make it feel lifelike.
Once game developers have come to fully realise implementing all the correct assets alongside 4K HDR, then it's something special instead of the 'just good' feeling with 1080p SDR.
I think 4k becomes really crucial in games with a wide angle FOV settings. Details normally crushed by 1080p are now visible in the distance. Not only that, but jaggies are basically non existent making the render look more natural, 4k textures
can look extremely realistic. I agree that 1080p looks good enough and sometimes it is a bit hard to justify the 4k jump at this moment in time, especially since it's done so through all the post processing techniques like you say. Console power could use better looking assets first before enabling a 4k res. I am all up for 1080p/4k settings combo next gen. But 4k provides a bigger than life experience which can feel truly special, especially in combination with a good executed HDR. Assassin's Creed Origins due to it's excellent HDR looks better to me than Red Dead Redemption. The photorealism with HDR and near 4k is a sight to behold.
I own a 4k Blu-ray collection ranging from the Nolan Collection to the Matrix Trilogy, and dear god do HDR 4K 10-bit movies look good. I would even say for the first time do I feel home entertainment is outdoing it's IMAX theatre counterpart. The original Matrix looks amazing for a 1999 movie, Blade Runner 2049 and The Revenant look out of this world good. Blacks are deep and detailed, colours have a depth and feel to them that makes the film look like looking through a window, highlights make it feel lifelike.
Once game developers have come to fully realise implementing all the correct assets alongside 4K HDR, then it's something special instead of the 'just good' feeling with 1080p SDR.
I have a few 4K movies on disc, mostly older ones. I don't care very much for modern cinema.
2001: A Space Odyssey
Blader Runner
The Bridge on the River Kwai
Leon
Mad Max: Fury Road
The Matrix
The Matrix Reloaded
The Matrix Revolutions (Bought them separately.)
Schindler's List
I wish they gave more of the Hollywood golden age movies the 2001: A Space Odyssey and Bridge on the River Kwai treatments. It's amazing what they can do with these older movies thanks to the wider color gamut. 2001: A Space Odyssey has MUCH better, more natural color than the drab, yellowish 2007 Blu-ray release. The picture is sharp throughout. The Bridge on the River (a 62-year-old movie that was filmed in poor jungle conditions) also looks considerably superior to the muddier, blander Blu-ray release. Leon makes the Blu-ray version look similarly flat and bland. With Schindler's List, I noticed the difference mostly in the colored ending, when the real survivors are paying their respects at Schindler's grave site. The color, again, is more realistic thanks to HDR. HDR combined with 4K can be awesome.
@ezekiel43: I also have 2001: A space Odyssey! But didn't see it yet. It's amazing how they can regrade the colour, especially the first Matrix I was so surprised how the skin tones got so much more natural. But man you got to see The Revenant and Blade Runner 2049. Shot by Roger Deakins and Emmanuel Lubezki, the men themself; Legendary cinematographers, that go way back. New age movies or not, the mentioned ones above are black sheep amongst the jungle of rehashed Hollywood clones. Would recommend. Dunkirk looks basically shot like a movie from the 90's as well.
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@Nonstop-Madness: 4K is just a marketing word for 3840x2160 resolution or 2160p. HDR is independent of resolution and can be featured on displays with resolutions lower or greater than 3840x2160.
@Nonstop-Madness: 4K is just a marketing word for 3840x2160 resolution or 2160p. HDR is independent of resolution and can be featured on displays with resolutions lower or greater than 3840x2160.
However, 4k and hdr has become so heavily interwoven that its exceptionally rare to find the two independent especially for TVs.
4k looks great, but it has been marketed so heavily that it can seem overrated. Anyway, I love to play 4k games and watch 4k movies on my 55 inch tv. I do see a significant improvement over Full HD, which, to be fair, also looks nice though.
4K isn't overhyped. I see 4K TV's at Wal-Mart and the image on display is a huge difference compared to 1080p.
If you think 4K is overrated, then lower the resolution on your PC monitor or TV. Put it at the lowest resolution possible. I guarantee you'll want the highest resolution back in no time.
Higher resolution lets you see things with more detail. You see individual blades of grass stand out more, you see more individual strands of hair, etc. You can see this on YouTube even. Just click on the 480p, 1080p, 4K, etc, settings. There's no rational reason you'd want to see a lower resolution... you wouldn't. No one wants to see less detail in a picture. You want to see more of the movie, video game, photograph, etc.
@ezekiel43: I also have 2001: A space Odyssey! But didn't see it yet. It's amazing how they can regrade the colour, especially the first Matrix I was so surprised how the skin tones got so much more natural. But man you got to see The Revenant and Blade Runner 2049. Shot by Roger Deakins and Emmanuel Lubezki, the men themself; Legendary cinematographers, that go way back. New age movies or not, the mentioned ones above are black sheep amongst the jungle of rehashed Hollywood clones. Would recommend. Dunkirk looks basically shot like a movie from the 90's as well.
I've read that the VHS and DVD releases of The Matrix had more natural color than the Blu-ray. I'm glad some of that green tint was finally removed from the 4K version.
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I wasn't a big fan of Blade Runner 2049, Dunkirk or The Revenant. They were good, but I don't really want to own any of them. Well, maybe Blade Runner 2049. I liked the world, the look of it. The story, I felt, was too long. I was fidgeting in my seat at one point. Why do these young Hollywood directors think they're making Ben-Hur? I find a lot of Denis Villeneuve's movies cold and soulless. I found it annoying that I was supposed to care that Rachel and Deckard could conceive. I didn't like that they turned a noir in which no one mattered (the original) into an epic Adam and Eve story. I wouldn't even call the sequel a noir. But I didn't dislike it. I'm wondering if it may be better the second time. Whenever I see the UHD release discounted on Amazon, I'm tempted.
@ezekiel43: I also have 2001: A space Odyssey! But didn't see it yet. It's amazing how they can regrade the colour, especially the first Matrix I was so surprised how the skin tones got so much more natural. But man you got to see The Revenant and Blade Runner 2049. Shot by Roger Deakins and Emmanuel Lubezki, the men themself; Legendary cinematographers, that go way back. New age movies or not, the mentioned ones above are black sheep amongst the jungle of rehashed Hollywood clones. Would recommend. Dunkirk looks basically shot like a movie from the 90's as well.
I've read that the VHS and DVD releases of The Matrix had more natural color than the Blu-ray. I'm glad some of that green tint was finally removed from the 4K version.
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I wasn't a big fan of Blade Runner 2049, Dunkirk or The Revenant. They were good, but I don't really want to own any of them. Well, maybe Blade Runner 2049. I liked the world, the look of it. The story, I felt, was too long. I was fidgeting in my seat at one point. Why do these young Hollywood directors think they're making Ben-Hur? I find a lot of Denis Villeneuve's movies cold and soulless. I found it annoying that I was supposed to care that Rachel and Deckard could conceive. I didn't like that they turned a noir in which no one mattered (the original) into an epic Adam and Eve story. I wouldn't even call the sequel a noir. But I didn't dislike it. I'm wondering if it may be better the second time. Whenever I see the UHD release discounted on Amazon, I'm tempted.
I honestly have nothing but good to say about those 4k HDR editions. Blade Runner 2049 is shot by the legend Roger Deakins. That film for me is all about the case study of Officer K, his sad artificial life, and him longing to feel and become familiar with the concept of what's it like to be human. The transition for me is magnificent, where Officer K at first is an emotionless workhorse working without questions asked, and slowly but surely makes his transition to his legacy; standing up for what is right, not what is being told to him. Visual poetry really. Totally different type of film, Villeneuve is a favourite of mine though especially Sicario. That movie had realism to the roof. And the Revenant well, the 4K HDR is an amazing dime of an atmospheric movie. Camerawork, acting, soundtrack, direction and just the plain ice lands the film hovers through. Perhaps an acquired taste, these Mexican cinematographers with their wide angle lenses, but one I can surely vouch for.
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