Is Battlefield 3 proof that there are enough PC gamers to support highend titles

After looking at the current sales of Battlefield 3 do you find that it is proof that PC gamers can support a high end titles PC lead or PC exclusive. Is it just the matter of how good the developers are at optimizing,scaling the game and that the game contains our interest and is high quality 231k were playing it yesturday. Sure BF3 is multiplayer focused but that that didn't keep single player focused games like STALKER go over the 2 million mark or seeing how a game like Skyrim is booming. So is there a fair amount of PC gamers to support PC lead multiplats and/or High end PC exclusives. Should we wait to see upcoming games like the PC lead Metro Last Light and Far Cry 3, S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2, X Rebirth, WarFace, ArmA 3, Risen 2 Futuremarks upcoming space shooter based off one their benchmarks and etc. After looking at all these benchmark/tech demos, and some old Project Offset footage I feel the craving that PC really should be taken more seriously in terms of high end hardware. Are devs afraid of being another "crysis". I feel a fairly ranged budget from $6-20 million should justify a high end PC game.

I sure hope so, because I want to see more games like Skyrim and the ones you mentioned besides just mmos and rtss. I want devs to see that they can make money off of games like Skyrim and Arkum city and Street Fighter IV. I love the indie games I've been finding and playing, but I want to see games released on the pc that make my 512 mb 4850 beg for mercy and require me to hit, kick, shoot, blow up, throw off a cliff, and all manner of stuff to the bad guys (or the good guys.)psx_warrior

I sure hope so, because I want to see more games like Skyrim and the ones you mentioned besides just mmos and rtss. I want devs to see that they can make money off of games like Skyrim and Arkum city and Street Fighter IV. I love the indie games I've been finding and playing, but I want to see games released on the pc that make my 512 mb 4850 beg for mercy and require me to hit, kick, shoot, blow up, throw off a cliff, and all manner of stuff to the bad guys (or the good guys.)psx_warrior

[QUOTE="psx_warrior"]I sure hope so, because I want to see more games like Skyrim and the ones you mentioned besides just mmos and rtss. I want devs to see that they can make money off of games like Skyrim and Arkum city and Street Fighter IV. I love the indie games I've been finding and playing, but I want to see games released on the pc that make my 512 mb 4850 beg for mercy and require me to hit, kick, shoot, blow up, throw off a cliff, and all manner of stuff to the bad guys (or the good guys.)NerubianWeaver

Let's see a cost benefit analysis. Without a business plan showing that it would be more profitable to ignore consoles, it's all speculation.lowe0

[QUOTE="psx_warrior"]I sure hope so, because I want to see more games like Skyrim and the ones you mentioned besides just mmos and rtss. I want devs to see that they can make money off of games like Skyrim and Arkum city and Street Fighter IV. I love the indie games I've been finding and playing, but I want to see games released on the pc that make my 512 mb 4850 beg for mercy and require me to hit, kick, shoot, blow up, throw off a cliff, and all manner of stuff to the bad guys (or the good guys.)NerubianWeaver

It's not their fault they're indie, it's not like they have a big publisher supporting them or go to the bank and take out a massive loan no questions asked. Like Epic games they started out as a bunch of guys in their parent's basement making simple games now they moved from that to things like Gears of War and Unreal Tournament. Right now an Indie dev that has my interest is Flying Wild Hog I'm impressed with what they did with Hard Reset and could imagine what they could do with a bigger budget. They also share the mentality like CD Projekt where they care about the users then only caring about making money. It's best that if this indie dev seems worth it you should support them so that when they grow into a larger company they can show off much more. I wouldn't mind a cinematic game like Project offset and etc but if it get's to the point where there is more cutscenes then gameplay, and QTEs every foot taken then it's overkill.

:| Eh...from what I've seen PC gamers are pooping all over BF3. Nothing but complaints after complaints...some support.killab2oo5

You'll always see complaining on forums, especially for big releases. While theres some people complaining, 200,000 are too busy playing the game.

I mean we need more cinematic games like Battlefield 3. I personally dislike most indie games due to their low production value = bad graphics. I think the single-player portion of Battlefield 3 shows how FPS gaming evolves today. It's now an enthralling experience and contains a lots of cutscenes which provided a much more cinematic gaming experience! NerubianWeaver

Personally, if you gave me a choice between a new BF/COD/MoH game or an indie game, I'd go for the indie game every time. Good graphics and cinematic presentation mean nothing to me if the resulting gameplay is severed damaged in the process - and everything I've seen of BF3's SP campaign seems to suggest that that's the case.

It may be great to look at, but the game doesn't seem to ever let go of your hand, and it apparently plays like little more than a rail shooter for the most part (especially in, say, the you're-not-piloting-a-jet level). BF3's SP actually strikes me as being really strange, since up until now the series' design philosophy had always embraced freedom and huge expansive areas to explore by air/land/sea...but then the SP doesn't let you drive vehicles, or even leave small rooms until you perform the requisite quick-time events.

If that's the evolution of the FPS genre, then...yeah, I want no part of it. Indie games may look sub-par (or totally amazing, it depends), but they also take risks and back them up with solid/interesting/unique gameplay.

I would like to see some more games utilize DX11 instead of just sticking with DX9. Especially those developers and publishers who can obviously afford it (Bethesda, Activision) but don't because they want to target the consoles.gamebreakerz__

The strange thing is why do developers still use a DX9 when the cards that dominate the market PC market for high end games and can actually handle todays games are DX10 cards and the best thing about is you can go all out on DX11 and still be able to scale back somethings for Dx10 consumers. PS3 doesn't even use DX but Open GL. But I do understand that the X360 the base of it's API is DX9 with some DX10 features.

We know PC gamers support high end titles, the real question is whether or not it's a sound decision to make a high end title tailored for the platform or make a multiplatform game (i.e lowest denominator focus)

There are two problems devs can't overcome when developing a multiplat game for the PC

- Understanding the PC audience

- Understanding what makes a PC game

No developer should expect a game like GTA, or Assassin's Creed, or CoD to sell as well on PC as it does on console because it's targeted at the console audience. It's as simple as that. They aren't games PC gamers go for in droves as they do other games. Obiously games like STALKER, Battlefield, Warcraft, and Dawn of War are a bit more in-tune with what most PC gamers crave.

Not only that, but when porting a game often times they just do a simple copy/paste job. They don't tweak the UI to work properly, they don't make the controls work well with keyboard/mouse, the game is horribly optimized, etc. These games also will not sell. PC gamers don't want console games; they want PC games. It can be just the simplest touch, and a game will stand out as a PC title. Just make it not awkward to play as you would any other PC game, and PC users will buy it. Don't make something horribly optimized with awful controls, and then complain later how it didn't sell. Of course it didn't...

The problem isn't that there wouldn't be enough PC gamers to sustain titles. The problem is that they want even more money and there are even more console gamers to sustain titles.

Deja vu. You can see my answer in the PC forums.

Witcher 2 and Crysis allready was

The amount of people playing Skyrim on PC yesterday peaked at 200,000+. I'd guarantee MW3 could have seen way more numbers then Skyrim if they didn't give PC gamers the shaft every year.

HELL NO

all over every forums you see pc gamers bragging about graphics and how much better pc gaming is then console gaming, to me pc gamers can go to hell they don't deserve anything

Pokemon266

Well it is fact. The only argument console's have is being more simple and cheap...

HELL NO

all over every forums you see pc gamers bragging about graphics and how much better pc gaming is then console gaming, to me pc gamers can go to hell they don't deserve anything

Pokemon266

[QUOTE="harshv82"][QUOTE="Pokemon266"]

HELL NO

all over every forums you see pc gamers bragging about graphics and how much better pc gaming is then console gaming, to me pc gamers can go to hell they don't deserve anything

Pokemon266

because it's 5 years old! you complete moot, id like to see a pc game that would look better then uncharted 3 in 2006 so gtfo

atleast we get more games and once the ps4 comes out it will outshine your lame pc's

and you wonder why we think most console gamers are ignorant.

There are always enough PC gamers to support good high end titles, no need for proof..

There are always enough PC gamers to support good high end titles, no need for proof..

Lucianu

There's just not enough to support bad console ports.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

There are always enough PC gamers to support good high end titles, no need for proof..

Jebus213

There's just no enough to support bad console ports.

I hope PC gaming survives, I really do.

That having been said I think BF3 is proof that PC gaming is on the verge of death.

Getting outsold by versions that are /vastly/ inferior (not talking bout graphics either)

It just shows how far PC gaming has fallen.

I agree. I mean we need more cinematic games like Battlefield 3. I personally dislike most indie games due to their low production value = bad graphics. I think the single-player portion of Battlefield 3 shows how FPS gaming evolves today. It's now an enthralling experience and contains a lots of cutscenes which provided a much more cinematic gaming experience! NerubianWeaver

Not sure if serious, I hate BF3's sp, it's one of the WORST sp experiences I've ever... experienced and I never this kind of garbage again. All graphics No fun = bf3's sp. We need proper sp focused games on pc imo.

I hope PC gaming survives, I really do.

That having been said I think BF3 is proof that PC gaming is on the verge of death.

Getting outsold by versions that are /vastly/ inferior (not talking bout graphics either)

It just shows how far PC gaming has fallen.

ZombieKiller7

PC games sell over time, consoles sell mostly in initial bulk, and never having mod tools isn't going to help it's sales in the long run, but you can't judge it based on release sales.

Of course high-end PC focused games can be succesful, the problem is that they are even more succesful on consoles.

360 and PS3 don't really limit each other (no matter what fanboys say), and combined will almost certainly outsell the PC version, so understandably that's what games will be made for.

Battlefield 3 is a console port with higher player count. Dunno what you mean by "high end PC game"

I'm kinda between the all these console better/pc better argument.

PC gaming is great, there's a great deal of flexibility when handling your games, ie. Graphics, sound settings, mods, steam. But that doesn't mean you have to ignore console gaming completely.

I hope PC gaming survives, I really do.

That having been said I think BF3 is proof that PC gaming is on the verge of death.

Getting outsold by versions that are /vastly/ inferior (not talking bout graphics either)

It just shows how far PC gaming has fallen.

ZombieKiller7

HELL NO

all over every forums you see pc gamers bragging about graphics and how much better pc gaming is then console gaming, to me pc gamers can go to hell they don't deserve anything

Pokemon266

The amount of people playing Skyrim on PC yesterday peaked at 200,000+. I'd guarantee MW3 could have seen way more numbers then Skyrim if they didn't give PC gamers the shaft every year.

Jebus213

:| Eh...from what I've seen PC gamers are pooping all over BF3. Nothing but complaints after complaints...some support.killab2oo5

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"][QUOTE="psx_warrior"]I sure hope so, because I want to see more games like Skyrim and the ones you mentioned besides just mmos and rtss. I want devs to see that they can make money off of games like Skyrim and Arkum city and Street Fighter IV. I love the indie games I've been finding and playing, but I want to see games released on the pc that make my 512 mb 4850 beg for mercy and require me to hit, kick, shoot, blow up, throw off a cliff, and all manner of stuff to the bad guys (or the good guys.)NoodleFighter

It's not their fault they're indie, it's not like they have a big publisher supporting them or go to the bank and take out a massive loan no questions asked. Like Epic games they started out as a bunch of guys in their parent's basement making simple games now they moved from that to things like Gears of War and Unreal Tournament. Right now an Indie dev that has my interest is Flying Wild Hog I'm impressed with what they did with Hard Reset and could imagine what they could do with a bigger budget. They also share the mentality like CD Projekt where they care about the users then only caring about making money. It's best that if this indie dev seems worth it you should support them so that when they grow into a larger company they can show off much more. I wouldn't mind a cinematic game like Project offset and etc but if it get's to the point where there is more cutscenes then gameplay, and QTEs every foot taken then it's overkill.

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

There are always enough PC gamers to support good high end titles, no need for proof..

Mystic-G

There's just no enough to support bad console ports.

Yup this is what I hate everyone seens to be going "PIRACY IS THE FAULT FOR EVERYTHING" I find it sad how a developer like Epic games complained about how Gears of War and UT3 doing only 1 million PC is because of Piracy. I mean haven't they ever though that they FORCED GAMES FOR WINDOWS LIVE on us and especially back then was a worthless piece of garbage. Even if you bought retail copies you still had to use it many people complained about the game not launching, patches not installing and etc.

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

The amount of people playing Skyrim on PC yesterday peaked at 200,000+. I'd guarantee MW3 could have seen way more numbers then Skyrim if they didn't give PC gamers the shaft every year.

Deniable_Ops

I guess it needs to be in the millions like CoD and Halo? Alright then, World of Warcraft. Or did you miss understand me? I said "peak amount".

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]I agree. I mean we need more cinematic games like Battlefield 3. I personally dislike most indie games due to their low production value = bad graphics. I think the single-player portion of Battlefield 3 shows how FPS gaming evolves today. It's now an enthralling experience and contains a lots of cutscenes which provided a much more cinematic gaming experience! Inconsistancy

Not sure if serious, I hate BF3's sp, it's one of the WORST sp experiences I've ever... experienced and I never this kind of garbage again. All graphics No fun = bf3's sp. We need proper sp focused games on pc imo.

I hope PC gaming survives, I really do.

That having been said I think BF3 is proof that PC gaming is on the verge of death.

Getting outsold by versions that are /vastly/ inferior (not talking bout graphics either)

It just shows how far PC gaming has fallen.

ZombieKiller7

PC games sell over time, consoles sell mostly in initial bulk, and never having mod tools isn't going to help it's sales in the long run, but you can't judge it based on release sales.

Let's not forget EA excluded very potential large sales from places like Steam.

HELL NO

all over every forums you see pc gamers bragging about graphics and how much better pc gaming is then console gaming, to me pc gamers can go to hell they don't deserve anything

Pokemon266

Sigh this just gives more evidence to for the PC community to see you guys as ignorance.