Is Blue Ray really the future ?

I don't think so as even now it's future is looking very rocky at least as a Movie delivery media.

I'm sure with some improvement in speeds, it will be around as a useful storage device but even then I think for Games, a nice Big HDD is the key in the future as the games will be loaded onto that HDD and the B.R. disk can be put back in it's case and that is for those who just must have the hard copy as I believe DD is here already since I have been DL'ing through XBL to get movies, games, TV shows, interviews, heck you name it.

So MS & Apple are up & running with DD already, just how big a role does B.R. really have in the near future.

PS: Don't take this wrong as I am certain to have a B.R. player of some sort, more then likely in a new MS console but other then being a disk for the storage of the content to transfer to HDD for speedy gaming, ( heck, DVD9's can do that too ;) ) just what else is it going to be good for ?

Any thoughts good or bad ?

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Wrong forum really but still...BR has its place now and in the near future as DD is not a viable option for most. When the world is connected with super-fast, reliable broadband then maybe disk media will take a back seat. Until then we will continue to see both delivery methods thrive along side each other.Stonin

On topic, yeah, side by side but in reality the B.R. seems to me the weak link and not all that necessary as a couple DVD9' could be used to load up the HDD but I dunno.

Hopefully, in the future, people will, at least, spell it right.The_Dan_K

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Anywho, thanks Ms. Teacher. ;)

[QUOTE="Stonin"]Wrong forum really but still...BR has its place now and in the near future as DD is not a viable option for most. When the world is connected with super-fast, reliable broadband then maybe disk media will take a back seat. Until then we will continue to see both delivery methods thrive along side each other.SecretPolice

On topic, yeah, side by side but in reality the B.R. seems to me the weak link and not all that necessary as a couple DVD9' could be used to load up the HDD but I dunno.

It is, as far as movies go, I think BR is just a Sony idea to charge people more money for the movies they can already get on regular DVD. Look at the gaming aspect, BR gives you games like heavenly Sword more language tracks then hours to complete. Just bells and whistles, yipee...

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Stonin"]Wrong forum really but still...BR has its place now and in the near future as DD is not a viable option for most. When the world is connected with super-fast, reliable broadband then maybe disk media will take a back seat. Until then we will continue to see both delivery methods thrive along side each other.DXGreat1_HGL

On topic, yeah, side by side but in reality the B.R. seems to me the weak link and not all that necessary as a couple DVD9' could be used to load up the HDD but I dunno.

It is, as far as movies go, I think BR is just a Sony idea to charge people more money for the movies they can already get on regular DVD. Look at the gaming aspect, BR gives you games like heavenly Sword more language tracks then hours to complete. Just bells and whistles, yipee...

Just like Toshiba with DVD and HD DVD, right?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Stonin"]Wrong forum really but still...BR has its place now and in the near future as DD is not a viable option for most. When the world is connected with super-fast, reliable broadband then maybe disk media will take a back seat. Until then we will continue to see both delivery methods thrive along side each other.DXGreat1_HGL

On topic, yeah, side by side but in reality the B.R. seems to me the weak link and not all that necessary as a couple DVD9' could be used to load up the HDD but I dunno.

It is, as far as movies go, I think BR is just a Sony idea to charge people more money for the movies they can already get on regular DVD. Look at the gaming aspect, BR gives you games like heavenly Sword more language tracks then hours to complete. Just bells and whistles, yipee...

Actually, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both offer video and audio quality that vastly outperforms what can be done on a standard DVD, offering a home theater experience that is much closer to the theatrical and directorial experience that was intended of a motion picture.

Having experienced both, I will not buy another DVD (My DVD collection is over 300, so I am not so fakeboy in this) unless it is my only option for the near future (some films do not have a HD release date), as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD offer much higher quality experiences, and give me a much more film-like movie that better captures the intended experience.

Its Blu-Ray, and absolutely.SpruceCaboose

But okay thanks for the short answer.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Stonin"]Wrong forum really but still...BR has its place now and in the near future as DD is not a viable option for most. When the world is connected with super-fast, reliable broadband then maybe disk media will take a back seat. Until then we will continue to see both delivery methods thrive along side each other.SpruceCaboose

On topic, yeah, side by side but in reality the B.R. seems to me the weak link and not all that necessary as a couple DVD9' could be used to load up the HDD but I dunno.

It is, as far as movies go, I think BR is just a Sony idea to charge people more money for the movies they can already get on regular DVD. Look at the gaming aspect, BR gives you games like heavenly Sword more language tracks then hours to complete. Just bells and whistles, yipee...

Actually, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both offer video and audio quality that vastly outperforms what can be done on a standard DVD, offering a home theater experience that is much closer to the theatrical and directorial experience that was intended of a motion picture.

Having experienced both, I will not buy another DVD (My DVD collection is over 300, so I am not so fakeboy in this) unless it is my only option for the near future (some films do not have a HD release date), as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD offer much higher quality experiences, and give me a much more film-like movie that better captures the intended experience.

Only if you're willing to spend big money to get optimum experience. In the end, DVD still produces...

Only if you're willing to spend big money to get optimum experience. In the end, DVD still produces...

DXGreat1_HGL

Big money? I bought an HDTV and surround sound a long time ago for DVD/360 use. I bought a PS3 for games. Now I have Blu-Ray that kills DVD in quality, and I didn't buy anything specially for Blu-Ray.

And if you are smart about shopping, you can get Blu-Rays for the same price as DVDs.

DVDs do work, but they are plagued by issues. Compression artifacts, edge-enhancement, color banding, colors and blacks that are washed out, fine details lost to the compression, macro blocking, etc all plague even the best transfers, and audio is much worse after experiencing a well mixed lossless audio track from one of the HD discs.

DD is entirely the future, and internet speed won't change that. They'll simply use in-store kiosks pre-loaded to distribute major games as a means to sell games to those who don't have a high-speed connection. Blu-Ray will still exist - there's always a segment of the market that needs high-capacity discs but we've really got several competing technologies:

-Digital Distribution
-Blu-Ray
-Flash Drives

Next gen we'll likely see a convergence of traditiona hard drives, flash drives, Blu-Ray, and Digital Distribution as games are distributed through more channels to reach a larger audience.

I don't understand why they need to upgrade anymore from DVD. I like DVD as it was as a gaming disc format or a video disc format. DVD's were just fine, they don't really need to go into Blu-ray and HD DVD in my opinion. Dion4ever

The same thing was said about cartridges, and about CDs. Times, technology, and space requirements change.

wow a ps 3 hater that don't think don't think blu-ray is the future.

lol you been downloding games, movies ect.

how about you try downloading a game that is 9gigs or more and see if you like waiting 2 hours before you play your game.

lol people crap all over devil may cry 4 for the ps 3 because of waiting 20 mins or so but yet the 360 fans wants to download an intire games that are the size of gears 2 or halo 3.

nice try to attempt to dis the ps 3 when in fact blu-ray is what made the ps 3 out sell the 360 last year but ha it is not the future.

no media tell that to walmart, target, best buy, circuit city ect. and see if they agree with you.

do you now how fast the movie industry would crumble if there is no media for some one to walk in the store and pick a movie.

In terms of gaming Blu ray is the future, and is essential to the physical disc format. (the day digital distribution is compulsory, is the day i quit gaming).

In terms of movies: No way. I'm sticking with dvd. Blu ray just holds more data.

wow a ps 3 hater that don't think don't think blu-ray is the future.

lol you been downloding games, movies ect.

how about you try downloading a game that is 9gigs or more and see if you like waiting 2 hours before you play your game.

lol people crap all over devil may cry 4 for the ps 3 because of waiting 20 mins or so but yet the 360 fans wants to download an intire games that are the size of gears 2 or halo 3.

nice try to attempt to dis the ps 3 when in fact blu-ray is what made the ps 3 out sell the 360 last year but ha it is not the future.

no media tell that to walmart, target, best buy, circuit city ect. and see if they agree with you.

do you now how fast the movie industry would crumble if there is no media for some one to walk in the store and pick a movie.

GARRYTH

While I agree that Blu is the future for disc based movies, it has a long road before it passes DVD as a movie format.

And DD is not out of the question as an alternative. In all honesty, they could both co-exist. Look at DD for music. CDs are still around, and DD is still very popular. Win win.

In terms of gaming Blu ray is the future, and is essential to the physical disc format. (the day digital distribution is compulsory, is the day i quit gaming).

In terms of movies: No way. I'm sticking with dvd. Blu ray just holds more data.

oldvander

And that more data makes for better audio and video, not to mention the potential for much better and more involved special features.

wow a ps 3 hater that don't think don't think blu-ray is the future.

lol you been downloding games, movies ect.

how about you try downloading a game that is 9gigs or more and see if you like waiting 2 hours before you play your game.

lol people crap all over devil may cry 4 for the ps 3 because of waiting 20 mins or so but yet the 360 fans wants to download an intire games that are the size of gears 2 or halo 3.

nice try to attempt to dis the ps 3 when in fact blu-ray is what made the ps 3 out sell the 360 last year but ha it is not the future.

no media tell that to walmart, target, best buy, circuit city ect. and see if they agree with you.

do you now how fast the movie industry would crumble if there is no media for some one to walk in the store and pick a movie.

GARRYTH

As you should have noticed in the OP; I said the B.R. will prolly come in the next MS console so really, you must not take this stuff so personal.

Secondly, you really need to think through this line you have about waiting for the DL as just how long does it take you to find the game you want, drive out to te store, stand in line to pay, drive back home, open it up & put it into the machine because I would contend by the time you got back from the store, I would already be playing the game..... Maybe. :)

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

wow a ps 3 hater that don't think don't think blu-ray is the future.

lol you been downloding games, movies ect.

how about you try downloading a game that is 9gigs or more and see if you like waiting 2 hours before you play your game.

lol people crap all over devil may cry 4 for the ps 3 because of waiting 20 mins or so but yet the 360 fans wants to download an intire games that are the size of gears 2 or halo 3.

nice try to attempt to dis the ps 3 when in fact blu-ray is what made the ps 3 out sell the 360 last year but ha it is not the future.

no media tell that to walmart, target, best buy, circuit city ect. and see if they agree with you.

do you now how fast the movie industry would crumble if there is no media for some one to walk in the store and pick a movie.

SpruceCaboose

While I agree that Blu is the future for disc based movies, it has a long road before it passes DVD as a movie format.

And DD is not out of the question as an alternative. In all honesty, they could both co-exist. Look at DD for music. CDs are still around, and DD is still very popular. Win win.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

wow a ps 3 hater that don't think don't think blu-ray is the future.

lol you been downloding games, movies ect.

how about you try downloading a game that is 9gigs or more and see if you like waiting 2 hours before you play your game.

lol people crap all over devil may cry 4 for the ps 3 because of waiting 20 mins or so but yet the 360 fans wants to download an intire games that are the size of gears 2 or halo 3.

nice try to attempt to dis the ps 3 when in fact blu-ray is what made the ps 3 out sell the 360 last year but ha it is not the future.

no media tell that to walmart, target, best buy, circuit city ect. and see if they agree with you.

do you now how fast the movie industry would crumble if there is no media for some one to walk in the store and pick a movie.

SecretPolice

As you should have noticed in the OP; I said the B.R. will prolly come in the next MS console so really, you must not take this stuff so personal.

Secondly, you really need to think through this line you have about waiting for the DL as just how long does it take you to find the game you want, drive out to te store, stand in line to pay, drive back home, open it up & put it into the machine because I would contend by the time you got back from the store, I would already be playing the game..... Maybe. :)

plus think about not even half of 360 or ps 3 owners go on-line to play there games so imagine if there was no format for those people the game industry would crumble.

[QUOTE="oldvander"]

In terms of gaming Blu ray is the future, and is essential to the physical disc format. (the day digital distribution is compulsory, is the day i quit gaming).

In terms of movies: No way. I'm sticking with dvd. Blu ray just holds more data.

SpruceCaboose

And that more data makes for better audio and video, not to mention the potential for much better and more involved special features.

I know better technology has great advantages. But i'm happy with dvd films. And I don't need a hdtv and blu ray to see new movies.

I don't understand why they need to upgrade anymore from DVD. I like DVD as it was as a gaming disc format or a video disc format. DVD's were just fine, they don't really need to go into Blu-ray and HD DVD in my opinion. Dion4ever

Still no HDTV in your house, huh? It is very apparent after reading your comments that you don't own one. That's why you see no need or difference.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

wow a ps 3 hater that don't think don't think blu-ray is the future.

lol you been downloding games, movies ect.

how about you try downloading a game that is 9gigs or more and see if you like waiting 2 hours before you play your game.

lol people crap all over devil may cry 4 for the ps 3 because of waiting 20 mins or so but yet the 360 fans wants to download an intire games that are the size of gears 2 or halo 3.

nice try to attempt to dis the ps 3 when in fact blu-ray is what made the ps 3 out sell the 360 last year but ha it is not the future.

no media tell that to walmart, target, best buy, circuit city ect. and see if they agree with you.

do you now how fast the movie industry would crumble if there is no media for some one to walk in the store and pick a movie.

GARRYTH

As you should have noticed in the OP; I said the B.R. will prolly come in the next MS console so really, you must not take this stuff so personal.

Secondly, you really need to think through this line you have about waiting for the DL as just how long does it take you to find the game you want, drive out to te store, stand in line to pay, drive back home, open it up & put it into the machine because I would contend by the time you got back from the store, I would already be playing the game..... Maybe. :)

plus think about not even half of 360 or ps 3 owners go on-line to play there games so imagine if there was no format for those people the game industry would crumble.

I think at first plush and it being SW the topic seems to imply bashing the PS3 or B.R. which in reality It is not - the subject matter stems from the aticle I read on IGN which I posted the link.

All I am trying to figure is not should we do away with disk media; heavens no that certainly would be foolish.

I'm asking is the B.R. really the main squeeze so to speak or just a tool to be used by what I think is the future and that is DD.

So, just relax man - if FF or MGS4 or some other game launches on that machine that I can't do without, I'll be a owner of one too but right now it's just not the case for me.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

wow a ps 3 hater that don't think don't think blu-ray is the future.

lol you been downloding games, movies ect.

how about you try downloading a game that is 9gigs or more and see if you like waiting 2 hours before you play your game.

lol people crap all over devil may cry 4 for the ps 3 because of waiting 20 mins or so but yet the 360 fans wants to download an intire games that are the size of gears 2 or halo 3.

nice try to attempt to dis the ps 3 when in fact blu-ray is what made the ps 3 out sell the 360 last year but ha it is not the future.

no media tell that to walmart, target, best buy, circuit city ect. and see if they agree with you.

do you now how fast the movie industry would crumble if there is no media for some one to walk in the store and pick a movie.

SecretPolice

As you should have noticed in the OP; I said the B.R. will prolly come in the next MS console so really, you must not take this stuff so personal.

Secondly, you really need to think through this line you have about waiting for the DL as just how long does it take you to find the game you want, drive out to te store, stand in line to pay, drive back home, open it up & put it into the machine because I would contend by the time you got back from the store, I would already be playing the game..... Maybe. :)

plus think about not even half of 360 or ps 3 owners go on-line to play there games so imagine if there was no format for those people the game industry would crumble.

I think at first plush and it being SW the topic seems to imply bashing the PS3 or B.R. which in reality It is not - the subject matter stems from the aticle I read on IGN which I posted the link.

All I am trying to figure is not should we do away with disk media; heavens no that certainly would be foolish.

I'm asking is the B.R. really the main squeeze so to speak or just a tool to be used by what I think is the future and that is DD.

So, just relax man - if FF or MGS4 or some other game launches on that machine that I can't do without, I'll be a owner of one too but right now it's just not the case for me.

I think people really need to stop this ridiculous debate about "the future." What the hell does that even mean anyway? It is like talking about how in the future we will have flying cars and all our meals will be in the form of pills. And we'll all live on the moon!

Of course BR isn't the "future" it is the present. And it will probably stick around for roughly as long as DVD did. Then something new will come along. Then something new will replace that and something new will replace THAT.

Who cares?

im sorry man just been in system wars to long and woke up on the wrong side of the bed. i do think DD is good for some and yes i think maybe both has a good chance for the future but blu-ray is deffintly in the future. DD is good for little games, movies for the one who have the on-line fast internet and yes i might as well use it in the future if the ps 3 can do it it just that way to many reasons why a format is always needed in this world for at least 10 to 20 years. GARRYTH

Your wasting your breath. It is impossible to not worship DD on this forum without people jumping down your throat and calling you an idiotic PC hater. Trust me.

All of this Blu-Ray talk is getting old. Just like CD's and DVD's, everyone needs to just accept the fact that Blu-Ray isn't going anyway.

I don't see why the hardcore 360 fans won't get over it. From Jump Street, everyone knew that the PS3 format was going to be Blu-Ray. No one cared about it 2-3 years because the Sony Haters thought that it was going to end up failing like Beta Max did. CD's and DVD's, for the video game stand point, did the same issues that Blu-Ray is having. Everyone knows that with new technology, comes new problems. The PS2 is the poster child for that. The PS2 was the hardest console to makes games for, and 8 years after, look at the outcome. Don't get me wrong, love my Dreamcast, but the PS2 is the best game console ever made for the simple reason that it destroyed the completion (XBOX). Just let the PSOne made the Dreamcast tap out, the PS2 made the XBOX flat out quit....give up.....I'm done.....here, take my lunch money, but please, just don't hit me anymore.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]im sorry man just been in system wars to long and woke up on the wrong side of the bed. i do think DD is good for some and yes i think maybe both has a good chance for the future but blu-ray is deffintly in the future. DD is good for little games, movies for the one who have the on-line fast internet and yes i might as well use it in the future if the ps 3 can do it it just that way to many reasons why a format is always needed in this world for at least 10 to 20 years. ZIMdoom

Your wasting your breath. It is impossible to not worship DD on this forum without people jumping down your throat and calling you an idiotic PC hater. Trust me.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

wow a ps 3 hater that don't think don't think blu-ray is the future.

lol you been downloding games, movies ect.

how about you try downloading a game that is 9gigs or more and see if you like waiting 2 hours before you play your game.

lol people crap all over devil may cry 4 for the ps 3 because of waiting 20 mins or so but yet the 360 fans wants to download an intire games that are the size of gears 2 or halo 3.

nice try to attempt to dis the ps 3 when in fact blu-ray is what made the ps 3 out sell the 360 last year but ha it is not the future.

no media tell that to walmart, target, best buy, circuit city ect. and see if they agree with you.

do you now how fast the movie industry would crumble if there is no media for some one to walk in the store and pick a movie.

SecretPolice

As you should have noticed in the OP; I said the B.R. will prolly come in the next MS console so really, you must not take this stuff so personal.

Secondly, you really need to think through this line you have about waiting for the DL as just how long does it take you to find the game you want, drive out to te store, stand in line to pay, drive back home, open it up & put it into the machine because I would contend by the time you got back from the store, I would already be playing the game..... Maybe. :)

The point of the article and my post is not in any way to say B.R. is going away - in the O.P. I state that the B.R. will more the likely be in the next MS console - sheesh !

To further clarify, The question is more to the point in asking how large a role B.R. will play in the future not will it be around.

I hope all understand a bit better.

PS: I love HD stuff of all kinds as I do have the HD-DVD add on and once some of those really must have games launch for the PS3 and " IF " they do deliver the goods; this gamer will run out that day and snag a PS3 !

but we've really got several competing technologies:

-Digital Distribution
-Blu-Ray
-Flash Drives

Next gen we'll likely see a convergence of traditiona hard drives, flash drives, Blu-Ray, and Digital Distribution as games are distributed through more channels to reach a larger audience.

subrosian

DD no where near the quality you get as a BD movie

a 32gbSD HD flash card cost$300-$400

compare to a 50gb-200gb BD

BD also will use uncompressed audio and a much hire data transfer rate than flash cards or DD. the result is a much better picture and sound.

and do not underestamate the desire that most people have to actually own and collect movies on a disc with a case and special features.

BD2.0......

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]im sorry man just been in system wars to long and woke up on the wrong side of the bed. i do think DD is good for some and yes i think maybe both has a good chance for the future but blu-ray is deffintly in the future. DD is good for little games, movies for the one who have the on-line fast internet and yes i might as well use it in the future if the ps 3 can do it it just that way to many reasons why a format is always needed in this world for at least 10 to 20 years. HuusAsking

Your wasting your breath. It is impossible to not worship DD on this forum without people jumping down your throat and calling you an idiotic PC hater. Trust me.

Yeah, that is what I'm saying. Anyone who doesn't act as if DD is the greatest thing and who dares to say anything other than "it is perfection" is attacked by hermits. I have posted a number of times saying that I don't believe DD is the future...and by "future" I mean the format that will become the dominant majority for ALL content delivery. That includes dominant for music, movies, games, etc. Unless DD becomes the primary delivery model for ALL these things then I can't call it "the future".

Because we know CDs became the dominant medium for music and games for a while. And then DVD is now the dominant format for movies and games and even SOME music. CD was clearly the primary medium for a while then DVD. Now it looks like BR will be the "future" for movies and games. Cds will probably always be around.

But the second I say this, hermits jump all over me with "what about steam! STEAM! and Itunes" (as you have pointed out). Well, neither or these things is close to being the dominant delivery form. I've bought things online. I've DD'd music AND games at some point. But for myself, I like having that hard copy in my hand. So when I buy a downloadable CD, I will pay extra to have the hardcopy sent to me when it is available. I did that just recently with the latest Nine Inch Nails release. I downloaded it immediately, put it on my Ipod...but I still want that official "hard copy" in April. I'm willing to pay the extra $5 to have it.

I think the majority of people are the same way. They want that hard copy. They LIKE the idea of knowing they are getting something physical for their money. That's not to say that it isn't great. I LOVE having the option. I LOVE having the choice and the convenience of an instant download. I love my Ipod. I just don't see enough motivations for corporations to accept DD as their main source for content when they have more control over an actual physical disk. I also think that people have been trained, as consumers, to buy and collect "things". For those people, having the "thing" is the important part, not having the content, if that makes any sense.

But I'm sure like every other time I disagree, hermits will show up here calling me an idiot PC-hater, attacking me for not acting like Steam is Skynet, and demanding absolute scientific PROOF that DD isn't already dominant and loved by all.

And like I already said. If you ask me, all this talk about the future is BS anyway. It is acting like the "future" is a constant, undeniable and never changing state. By saying something is "the future" it implies that is where everything is leading and it is the final form. The end result. I think DD is only going to lead to somethings else and then something else after that. that doesn't even touch on the fact that North America's broadband blows in comparison to other countries, and nobody is going to spend a day trying to download a BR movie when they can spend 10 mintues and run down to Walmart. That is also assuming they have a capable PC that they can still use when downloading something that huge and that their internet doesn't cut out or kill their download on them.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]im sorry man just been in system wars to long and woke up on the wrong side of the bed. i do think DD is good for some and yes i think maybe both has a good chance for the future but blu-ray is deffintly in the future. DD is good for little games, movies for the one who have the on-line fast internet and yes i might as well use it in the future if the ps 3 can do it it just that way to many reasons why a format is always needed in this world for at least 10 to 20 years. ZIMdoom

Your wasting your breath. It is impossible to not worship DD on this forum without people jumping down your throat and calling you an idiotic PC hater. Trust me.

Yeah, that is what I'm saying. Anyone who doesn't act as if DD is the greatest thing and who dares to say anything other than "it is perfection" is attacked by hermits. I have posted a number of times saying that I don't believe DD is the future...and by "future" I mean the format that will become the dominant majority for ALL content delivery. That includes dominant for music, movies, games, etc. Unless DD becomes the primary delivery model for ALL these things then I can't call it "the future".

Because we know CDs became the dominant medium for music and games for a while. And then DVD is now the dominant format for movies and games and even SOME music. CD was clearly the primary medium for a while then DVD. Now it looks like BR will be the "future" for movies and games. Cds will probably always be around.

But the second I say this, hermits jump all over me with "what about steam! STEAM! and Itunes" (as you have pointed out). Well, neither or these things is close to being the dominant delivery form. I've bought things online. I've DD'd music AND games at some point. But for myself, I like having that hard copy in my hand. So when I buy a downloadable CD, I will pay extra to have the hardcopy sent to me when it is available. I did that just recently with the latest Nine Inch Nails release. I downloaded it immediately, put it on my Ipod...but I still want that official "hard copy" in April. I'm willing to pay the extra $5 to have it.

I think the majority of people are the same way. They want that hard copy. They LIKE the idea of knowing they are getting something physical for their money. That's not to say that it isn't great. I LOVE having the option. I LOVE having the choice and the convenience of an instant download. I love my Ipod. I just don't see enough motivations for corporations to accept DD as their main source for content when they have more control over an actual physical disk. I also think that people have been trained, as consumers, to buy and collect "things". For those people, having the "thing" is the important part, not having the content, if that makes any sense.

But I'm sure like every other time I disagree, hermits will show up here calling me an idiot PC-hater, attacking me for not acting like Steam is Skynet, and demanding absolute scientific PROOF that DD isn't already dominant and loved by all.

And like I already said. If you ask me, all this talk about the future is BS anyway. It is acting like the "future" is a constant, undeniable and never changing state. By saying something is "the future" it implies that is where everything is leading and it is the final form. The end result. I think DD is only going to lead to somethings else and then something else after that. that doesn't even touch on the fact that North America's broadband blows in comparison to other countries, and nobody is going to spend a day trying to download a BR movie when they can spend 10 mintues and run down to Walmart. That is also assuming they have a capable PC that they can still use when downloading something that huge and that their internet doesn't cut out or kill their download on them.

The one thing I do think is something you might have not considered is this.

When DL'ing a movie or TV show off XBL, you need not wait until the full DL is done as the movie can be started in most cases minutes after the start of the DL and as you watch the movie the DL continues in the background, staying ahead of the pace of the movie you are watching so really it's only minutes from the time you decide you want the movie and the time you are actually viewing the movie.

The one thing I do think is something you might have not considered is this.

When DL'ing a movie or TV show off XBL, you need not wait until the full DL is done as the movie can be started in most cases minutes after the start of the DL and as you watch the movie the DL continues in the background, staying ahead of the pace of the movie you are watching so really it's only minutes from the time you decide you want the movie and the time you are actually viewing the movie.

that is a great feature but the reality is that 90% of the people with broadband do not have the DL speed to keep the movie from freezing as the system buffers data, also it still does not negate the fact that the PQ and AQ are no where near on par with BD or even HDDVD when it was still alive. therefore it was never in the running. perhaps when broadband standards are more universal worldwide and are made cheap or free for access, then DD will begin to pick up the pace but for now it is considered a luxury to have anything more than 1.5mb and even people with much faster speeds of 8mb or more still bog down to an average of around 2mb and worse during peak times. i will concede that digital music is the way of the future but even that is at least a decade off.

I love how people debate BR as a movie/gaming format ever since Sony won the format war. I can understand how alot of console fanboys were disturbed when the perceived value of a PS3 shot way up after the whole BR victory and are now looking at things that will unseat it. The fact is BR has not beaten DVD yet, but within the next 2-5 years it will.

At DD's best, it will only cater to half of the market for both games and movies. The reason being is that there are so many people (i.e. majority) who would rather have a physical representation of their purchase. Want a perfect example? Music CDs. People still buy them. Alot of people. Sure DD and piracy have really beaten them to almost death, but it is still around. Think about it, there are many people who like things like cover art and information on the disc. The fact is it isn't an issue of DD beating physical media, but will DD ever offer more to the mass consumer over owning a physical copy? The answer to that question for the very far and foreseeable future is no.

Hopefully, in the future, people will, at least, spell it right.The_Dan_K

pwned.

[QUOTE="Dion4ever"]I don't understand why they need to upgrade anymore from DVD. I like DVD as it was as a gaming disc format or a video disc format. DVD's were just fine, they don't really need to go into Blu-ray and HD DVD in my opinion. The_Dan_K

Still no HDTV in your house, huh? It is very apparent after reading your comments that you don't own one. That's why you see no need or difference.

"Just because you have a fiber internet connection, doesn't mean everybody else does.."

Well, the same thing applies here. Just because you have an HDTV doesn't mean everybody else does.

But the second I say this, hermits jump all over me with "what about steam! STEAM! and Itunes" (as you have pointed out). Well, neither or these things is close to being the dominant delivery form. I've bought things online. I've DD'd music AND games at some point. But for myself, I like having that hard copy in my hand. So when I buy a downloadable CD, I will pay extra to have the hardcopy sent to me when it is available. I did that just recently with the latest Nine Inch Nails release. I downloaded it immediately, put it on my Ipod...but I still want that official "hard copy" in April. I'm willing to pay the extra $5 to have it.

ZIMdoom

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But the second I say this, hermits jump all over me with "what about steam! STEAM! and Itunes" (as you have pointed out). Well, neither or these things is close to being the dominant delivery form. I've bought things online. I've DD'd music AND games at some point. But for myself, I like having that hard copy in my hand. So when I buy a downloadable CD, I will pay extra to have the hardcopy sent to me when it is available. I did that just recently with the latest Nine Inch Nails release. I downloaded it immediately, put it on my Ipod...but I still want that official "hard copy" in April. I'm willing to pay the extra $5 to have it.

HuusAsking

I should have clarified. By Harcopy I am referring to the packaging, cover art, inserts, booklets, etc. There are ways around this. Some artists offer printable PDFs with the download. But it still isn't quite the same for me as having it already provided for me in one nice little package.

I'm in favour of the idea of DD because I am all in favour or artists having more control and more profit off their own art. HOwever, the flip side to this is that in order to get started and get the attention to your downloadable product...you have to basically already be big and popular. This usualy comes from success FIRST in the standard system.

Like I said. I love the idea of DD and the potential. I think it will be a very successful option, and I think more people will try to push this so they can control and profit more from their own product. I just don't believe it will ever replace, or overcome the sale of products as we know it. I could end up being totally wrong, and that is fine. I don't care.