Is borrowing a game considered piracy?

If you borrow a game from a friend, complete the entire experience, and give it back.. but you didn't pay a lick for it. Are you considered a pirate? I mean you didn't pay for your experience with said title. :|

Of course,you are.

to the publisher maybe sicne they see no money from it.

to the law, it really depends im sure.

Man, it's pretty hilarious how the video game industry has people brainwashed regarding used games.

Man, it's pretty hilarious how the video game industry has people brainwashed regarding used games.

Aljosa23

Of course,you are.

freedomfreak

This.

But they just don't care about it overall; Simply because this type of piracy is rare -- as gamers are naturally pretty selfish creatures.

You're not a Pirate per se, but you are a Free-Loader...

This is why all anti-used game arguments are stupid. With piracy you have a copy of a game that was not paid for. With used/borrowed/rented games that copy WAS accounted for. After the original purchase it is no business of the develooer what happens to the game, and any notion to the contrary is ridiculous.savebattery

So the pirates pull said copies of games from the magic underworld? Or are you saying that all pirated games are leaked from the developers themselves? And if so, why are the publishers punishing the legit consumers for what the developer leaked?

If 1 game was purchased to crack and distribute, what is the point of the argument?

well developers and publishers are trying to change the word pirate "anything that don't give us money" lolz

You're not a Pirate per se, but you are a Free-Loader...

AtlanticRock

I bought Deus Ex:Human Revolution and Vanquish (new) after borrowing them, am i a free loader?

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Man, it's pretty hilarious how the video game industry has people brainwashed regarding used games.

OhSnapitz

I borrowed my friend's car for a week, Oh NOz, Toyota considered me a thief AcCording to System Warz :cry:

Borrowing and buying items used is only considered stealing in the video game industry. The video game industry has its own unique definition as what is stealing.

I feel there is no difference in renting, borrowing, or pirating a game. You're getting the game for free.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Man, it's pretty hilarious how the video game industry has people brainwashed regarding used games.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="AtlanticRock"]

You're not a Pirate per se, but you are a Free-Loader...

crimsonman1245

I bought Deus Ex:Human Revolution and Vanquish (new) after borrowing them, am i a free loader?

No, you're a Beta-Tester. :P

If you buy a game that sucks and you can't get a refund, is the developer considered a crook?

No? I guess you have your answer then.

If you buy a game that sucks and you can't get a refund, is the developer considered a crook?

No? I guess you have your answer then.

Pug-Nasty

If borrowing a game constitutes piracy, then every gamer in every househould would have to buy their own copy of the same game.

That's a load of bull. Just imagine if other industries tried to get away with something like that.

Everyone in your househould needs to pay for every channel of cable.

I can't lend my brother technical books on programming or digital sculpting. He has to buy them new, despite the books being in my possession.

Watching DVD'swith friends requires everyone to pay the price of DVD before watching the movie.

Physical goods have always been re-used without any money going to the manufacturers. This is the way the world has worked for thousands of years; why should video games be exempt from reality?

Only if your friend has an eye patch, a peg leg, and a parrot on his shoulder

this is a question? ok, yeah its a question. but not a good one.

This is why all anti-used game arguments are stupid. With piracy you have a copy of a game that was not paid for. With used/borrowed/rented games that copy WAS accounted for. After the original purchase it is no business of the develooer what happens to the game, and any notion to the contrary is ridiculous.savebattery

Oh...lovely...now people are considering borrowing an act of piracy? You're a lazy bum is all and a cheapskate but a pirate? Not in the slightest.

Oh...lovely...now people are considering borrowing an act of piracy? You're a lazy bum is all and a cheapskate but a pirate? Not in the slightest.

Goyoshi12

Who the hell cares?

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

Oh...lovely...now people are considering borrowing an act of piracy? You're a lazy bum is all and a cheapskate but a pirate? Not in the slightest.

BullyRay44

Why would you need to borrow it if you could just go out and get it for yourself? Borrowing it once just to see what it is? Nah that's not really lazy. Borrowing it multiple times? Yeah...kind of is in my eyes.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Man, it's pretty hilarious how the video game industry has people brainwashed regarding used games.

OhSnapitz

lol your sig is so good

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

Of course,you are.

TecmoGirl

This.

But they just don't care about it overall; Simply because this type of piracy is rare -- as gamers are naturally pretty selfish creatures.

This

Because if loaning games became huge, and nearly everyone did it and it became as big as Piracy or used games in the amount of people who participate then you would see publishers take note and respond to it. This is due to the end effect that publishers would be losing out on possible sales, and say that they are losing out on money.

I'm not an expert about law so I won't be smart because there might be rules I don't know about but borrowing games is by no means equalable to piracy in my opinion. Infact the notion that you're somehow pirating the game if you borrow it from a friend is ridiculous to me. Also, I'm pretty sure the ban of used games would negatively affect game and hardware sales. Using draconian measures on these things has never yielded good results.

Physical goods have always been re-used without any money going to the manufacturers. This is the way the world has worked for thousands of years; why should video games be exempt from reality?garrett_daniels

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

Oh...lovely...now people are considering borrowing an act of piracy? You're a lazy bum is all and a cheapskate but a pirate? Not in the slightest.

BullyRay44

Yes, and you should be ashamed of yourself!

It is basically the same as downloading a copy off the net, someone has paid for that copy then uploaded it for others to "borrow". As someone else stated in this thread, if everyone started lending their games out to others and "borrowing" became bigger, then developers would act against it the same way they act against internet distribution. The only difference is in the eye of the developer.

It is basically the same as downloading a copy off the net, someone has paid for that copy then uploaded it for others to "borrow". As someone else stated in this thread, if everyone started lending their games out to others and "borrowing" became bigger, then developers would act against it the same way they act against internet distribution. The only difference is in the eye of the developer.

sailor232

[QUOTE="BullyRay44"]

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

Oh...lovely...now people are considering borrowing an act of piracy? You're a lazy bum is all and a cheapskate but a pirate? Not in the slightest.

glimpus

Well...if he's finished with a game and can allow for you to borrow the game then I don't see the problem with it.

The problem is that you could have just purchased it for yourself and helped the developers and perhaps could help with a potential sequel or next game. That and the fact that he is a realitive is also tricky.

OK, how about this, you're lazy freeloader if you borrow from your friends and all but from a relative? In some technicalities even if YOU do not own the game you still kind of DO. It's all confusing really...

I hope the idiots who think that this is stealing, and people should buy their own games and not share, realize a couple of things and stfu, the next time you're in the kitchen and want to toast some bread, think of the company that made the toaster, and think of the money they could loose because you were to lazy to go out and buy a toaster for your own use, instead of your moms.

The next time you need to borrow a pen in class? think about bic, tell the teacher to suspend the class so that you can go quickly to the store to buy a bloody pen. Your arguments are ridiculous.

In licensing terms yes, you are breaking the license terms but there's no way in hell they can possibly police that without requiring online connection at all times and only allowing it to be used with one machine ID or account or something.

Short answer: Yes, according to licensing terms.

Though I doubt it'll be labeled something as serious as piracy but licenses always state "no loaning, borrowing or renting of any kind" and the likes.

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[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

Oh...lovely...now people are considering borrowing an act of piracy? You're a lazy bum is all and a cheapskate but a pirate? Not in the slightest.

glimpus

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Man, it's pretty hilarious how the video game industry has people brainwashed regarding used games.

Aljosa23

Music and books aren't doing too hot.