Is Dark Souls being watered down for the masses?

Demon's souls wasn't hard to begin with. Memorization was the key. MFDOOM1983

I **** hope they don't water it down. Demons Soul's was the most epic **** i played on a console this gen. Hell it was even a damn jrpg. I hope Dark Souls will be hard and unforgiving.

You didn't read the article did you.

It's one persistant world. The checkpoints act as hub entry points. Imagine if in the original DS you had to start from 1-1 and go all the way through to 1-5...

I actually hope Dark Souls will have difficulty settings, easy for people who think DS is too hard and Hard for people who think it is too easy. That way we all win. :) Either way these beakon fires seem like a really good idea considering the game is now open world.

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I've been wanting to get Demon's Souls, but the difficulty (and, the lack of an epic story) keeps me away, why people think it was really hard but you think it was easy, or in what way the game is hard, it is cheap or something like that?

lowkey254

Durability is hardly an issue, you will find plenty of Ed's Grindstones out there and only your weapon and shield will degrade durabilitywise and nothing else. In addition the degrading is so slow you should easily be able to clear 2-4 stages or so without needing to repair. Other players can invade you, but the problem here is that invaders will only have around 50% of their max life meaning you can kill them in a single hit if they havent spent enough on vitality and as a result most invaders were more of a nuisance than an actual threat. Most boss fights are pushovers though there are a few challanging ones. Get a pattern down and most bosses (and enemies) will have a difficult time even hitting you, finding this pattern wasnt hard either.

Maybe most people who thought it was easy are simply used to playing games that are actually hard, like this. I am definately one of those people and so were my all my friends who also said it was too easy.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Demon's souls wasn't hard to begin with. Memorization was the key. godsendBLISS

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Its optional, if you dont want to use them dont. Also, if I read correctly they are only available at certain spots. If anything this may encourage developers to make the game harder as you now have more check points to reduce frustration.

Demons Souls was too easy for my tastes, and as a result, I doubt I will use these Beacon Fires in Dark Souls.

Edit: This may just be a replacement for the nexus. Dont be too worried.

madsnakehhh

I've been wanting to get Demon's Souls, but the difficulty (and, the lack of an epic story) keeps me away, why people think it was really hard but you think it was easy, or in what way the game is hard, it is cheap or something like that?

Demon's Souls was difficult because there were NO CHECKPOINTS! THAT'S THE ONLY REASON! If you took checkpoints out of Call of Duty would we be praising it's humbling gameplay? I don't think so. If there were checkpoints in DS, it would be a 2 1/2 hour game - they really didn't have a choice.

I've been wanting to get Demon's Souls, but the difficulty (and, the lack of an epic story) keeps me away, why people think it was really hard but you think it was easy, or in what way the game is hard, it is cheap or something like that?

madsnakehhh

In all honesty, Demon's souls wasn't hard. It was more a trial and error game... granted, you'll think it's hard as hell first, but once you know what to do, it becomes really simple.

Demon's souls should've never be goty TBH.

Demon's Souls was difficult because there were NO CHECKPOINTS! THAT'S THE ONLY REASON! If you took checkpoints out of Call of Duty would we be praising it's humbling gameplay? I don't think so. If there were checkpoints in DS, it would be a 2 1/2 hour game - they really didn't have a choice.

jeffmonster

makes me wonder if you've even played it..

Is this game on PC, no game is watered or dumbed down unless its on PC

the system in dark souls plays different to demons souls where there was a nexus, a homebase. the beacons are pretty much the equivalent of the nexus.

"It's called the Beacon Fire, and they'll be dotted throughout Dark Souls' intimidating realm, offering a spot of light relief in a game of punishing hardness. You can use the Beacon Fires to restore your life gauge, and they also act as – get this – CHECKPOINTS. So no more being booted back to the very start of the level devoid of all your gear. While this may sound like From Software selling out on the game's challenge, they are in fact a necessity, because there aren't any levels in Dark Souls."

This isn't watering down if the difficulty is still there. Repeating Demon's relatively short levels* after death was no big deal but Dark doesn't have "levels". Sounds fine.

*Many of which had short cuts; the gate in 4-4, pit in 2-2, giant throbbing heart thing in 3-2, bridge in 5-1 (or 5-2?), etc.

Floppy_Jim

I've heard they want to make it harder. If they throw a easy mode in there I don't think they'll water it down.

Is this game on PC, no game is watered or dumbed down unless its on PC

Supabul

Ultima VIII says hello.

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"It's called the Beacon Fire, and they'll be dotted throughout Dark Souls' intimidating realm, offering a spot of light relief in a game of punishing hardness. You can use the Beacon Fires to restore your life gauge, and they also act as – get this – CHECKPOINTS. So no more being booted back to the very start of the level devoid of all your gear. While this may sound like From Software selling out on the game's challenge, they are in fact a necessity, because there aren't any levels in Dark Souls."

This isn't watering down if the difficulty is still there. Repeating Demon's relatively short levels* after death was no big deal but Dark doesn't have "levels". Sounds fine.

*Many of which had short cuts; the gate in 4-4, pit in 2-2, giant throbbing heart thing in 3-2, bridge in 5-1 (or 5-2?), etc.

clone01

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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

"It's called the Beacon Fire, and they'll be dotted throughout Dark Souls' intimidating realm, offering a spot of light relief in a game of punishing hardness. You can use the Beacon Fires to restore your life gauge, and they also act as – get this – CHECKPOINTS. So no more being booted back to the very start of the level devoid of all your gear. While this may sound like From Software selling out on the game's challenge, they are in fact a necessity, because there aren't any levels in Dark Souls."

This isn't watering down if the difficulty is still there. Repeating Demon's relatively short levels* after death was no big deal but Dark doesn't have "levels". Sounds fine.

*Many of which had short cuts; the gate in 4-4, pit in 2-2, giant throbbing heart thing in 3-2, bridge in 5-1 (or 5-2?), etc.

Some-Mist

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Dungeon crawlers are not as linear and cut up into levels like Demon's Souls, you don't die and restart the dungeon again. Perhaps you're thinking of roguelikes? But even then that's stretching it.

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[QUOTE="clone01"] And anyway, its one thing for a game to be difficult, but booting someone all the way back to the beginning isn't really necessary. That's just encouraging memorization.Yangire

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Dungeon crawlers are not as linear and cut up into levels like Demon's Souls, you don't die and restart the dungeon again. Perhaps you're thinking of roguelikes? But even then that's stretching it.

Demon's souls wasn't hard to begin with. Memorization was the key. MFDOOM1983

Yeah. It was too oldschool in that regard. Good for some, bad for others. Makes sense making it multiplat and less hard.

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[QUOTE="Some-Mist"] welcome to dungeon crawling

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Some-Mist

Dungeon crawlers are not as linear and cut up into levels like Demon's Souls, you don't die and restart the dungeon again. Perhaps you're thinking of roguelikes? But even then that's stretching it.

Sure, but that's for the majority of games it's not exclusive to dungeon crawlers.

Sounds to me like these are the replacements for the archstones and the Nexus hub world.

Sounds like no more pointless load times back to the nexus to me.