Is Demon's Souls the most Hardcore console game of this gen so far?

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#1 evilross
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Is Demon's Souls the real "Hardcore" game of this gen so far?

After hearing all the debate about the merits of "Casual" games versus what would be considered "Hardcore" games, it made me wonder what, after the multitude of "Casual" games avalible, would be the most "Hardcore" of the hardcore. The game that defines the aspects of hardcore gaming this gen. From gameplay, to story, to visuals and maturaty level, what is the Hardcore game of this gen?

Here are some quotes from the English language reviews of Demon's Souls :

From RPGFan:

""Demon's Souls never had a chance.

I came to this epiphany sitting in an Akihabara café perusing Famitsu issue 1053's listing of the highest selling games in Japan for 2008. Aside from Monster Hunter Portable, the top ten are all Wii and DS games, and you can probably guess what they are. Mario Kart, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, and Pokémon all destroyed the likes of Metal Gear Solid 4 and Fallout 3. Mario and Sonic at the Beijing Olympics on DS crushed Persona 4 and Valkyria Chronicles.

Whatever conclusions you draw from all this, one thing is absolutely certain: accessibility and familiarity count for a lot in the market these days. Thus I cannot feel surprised when I consider how little Demon's Souls has been marketed. It may very well be a case of Sony not kidding themselves. Quietly selling out at a few game shops in downtown Tokyo, the game has gotten remarkably little attention for an original franchise PS3 RPG. Famitsu panned the game for being too hard, which should be your first clue. See, the cover art for the game box features a knight slumped in a corner, arrows embedded in his shield, head down, exhausted. It is only after you play the game that you realize just how appropriate this image is. Consider the kind of gamer you are. Are Wii Music and Nintendogs staples of your game library? Or does that top selling game list strike you as unjust? From Software's latest offering falls into the latter category, and is not for the faint of heart. This game will chew you up and spit you out"

""What I really like about Demon's Souls is the fact that it is one of the few games that manages to instill a genuine sense of dread and panic in the player. It's what Resident Evil games tried to do before RE4. You are not a 1st ****member of SOLDIER or a genetically engineered super soldier who can destroy tanks with hand grenades: You are just a guy with a sword and some armor. Other guys with swords and armor can kill you in one hit if you're slow. The difficulty is amazingly well integrated into the game's atmosphere and theme. Imagine if you yourself were actually facing down some giant monster in a dark cavern. You would be terrified and probably get killed in a few seconds, which is what usually happens in this game. It's amazingly consistent. When you see some armored knight with a spear, you have to stop and think about how you will approach; one wrong swing and he'll skewer you. You can't just hold down dash and run everywhere in a new environment; you have to walk carefully, because a pit trap could end your game, or an ambush could catch you with no stamina.

Frankly, I love it. Not since my NES days of trying to beat Contra without the Konami code have I had this much fun. The learning curve is steep, but with time you really do learn and you feel like a badass. The combat physics are fantastic and realistic. A good parry and you can murder enemies with one strike. Whether you're headshotting ghouls from the shadows with a crossbow, duel wielding scimitars against enchanted skeletons or incinerating phantoms with fire magic � every kill is visceral and must be earned. After you die about fifty times or so, you'll be a killing machine. Unfortunately, not many gamers have that kind of patience these days. Demon's Souls is not a very accessible game. I predict numerous people buying the game, getting owned, and then running to their Internet forum of choice to complain about the "bad game design" or "cheap" enemies.""

From the Eurogamer:

""Precisely because the odds are so stacked against you, precisely because the game sometimes seems to hate you with every fibre of its being, when you do finally kill the bastard f***-off enormous boss monster that ended you within half a minute the first time you approached it, the resulting heart-in-mouth euphoria is the purest kind of gaming thrill. Demon's Souls is about facing up to the impossible, and winning.""

""Demon's Souls is absolutely compelling; dark, detailed, unforgiving, creatively cruel. It gets under your skin and becomes a personal obsession, daring you to probe further into its worlds, fall for more of its traps and overcome more of its impossible challenges; it slaps you in the face with your own incompetence and dares you to overcome it.

It's stoic, uncompromising, difficult to get to know, but also deep, intriguingly disturbed and perversely rewarding. You can learn to love Demon's Souls like few other games in the world. But only if you're prepared to give yourself over to it.""

So, system bias aside, is this game what are "hardcore" game should be... inclosing story, gameplay, multiplayer, and atmosphere all into one unforgiving package? And would you as a gamer like to see more games like this on all gaming platforms?

On Multiplayer :

""Integrated into all of this,there's a unique system of online play, the game's most forward-thinking feature - though like everything in Demon's Souls, it's a double-edged sword. Assuming you have your body, which is an achievement in itself, you can call upon other players to help you, and they can join your game as blue phantoms to fight alongside you.""

""The downside? Playing the game online opens you up to invasion from Black Phantoms, other players who force their way into your game in order to assassinate you for your souls. You've no control over when this happens.""

""The prospect of playing as a Black Phantom yourself, of course, is seductive, once you have the ability and skill. But you always run the risk of being defeated. Besides, everything that you do online affects the world around you; defeating boss monsters and invading players shifts the World Tendency of a level towards white, whereas becoming a Black Phantom yourself shifts it towards black.

Black tendency makes a world's monsters more aggressive but increases the rewards for killing them, white tendency does the opposite, and both trigger events in the levels themselves, opening up previously locked doors or dropping in unique NPCs to help or hinder you. The tendency system is so complex that players haven't yet figured out all of its implications. Whichever way you choose to use Demon's Souls' online play, though, there are consequences in your own game.""


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Has it been announced for NA yet? If not, i'll just import it in a couple weeks.

I'm really interested in this game.

Looks to be severely hardcore.

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#3 Couth_
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Flight sims are pretty hard core
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#4 Hungry_Jello
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I think Devil May Cry 4 could go toe to toe with this game for that title.

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#5 brennan7777
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I'll admit i didnt read all of that (orange text was hard on my wimpy eyes) but i just got Demon Souls and it is definately the hardest game i have. So yes i feel it is the most "Hardcore"

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#6 -Reggaeton-
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Armored Core 4

Armored Core: For Answer

These are the most HC games this gen so far, and i love both.

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This along with Metal Gear Solid 4, a confirmation of release of Team ICO's new game and a $100 price drop and I'll buy a PS3.

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#8 ironcreed
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As far as consoles go? Without question. I am currently playing it and it is my favorite game of the gen thus far and I say that without reservation. No, it is not just the honeymoon effect either. They simply do not make games like this on consoles anymore....period.There is really nothing else like it, save King's Field, but this is on a whole other level entirely.This game has atmosphere, depth and challenge like no other. It is simply it's own beast and not many would dare venture too far into it's jaws. As it will put the fear of dying in you like no ther game. Playing it really is an experience you have to have for yourself to get it.

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I think Devil May Cry 4 could go toe to toe with this game for that title.

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lol, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe if you had said DMC3 or NGB, but dmc4:o
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#10 ironcreed
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I think Devil May Cry 4 could go toe to toe with this game for that title.

Hungry_Jello

PFFFT, Devil May Cry better cry, as it has NOTHING on the difficulty curve of this game. You can put 40 hours in and feel lucky you are only about 20% done with the game. I am talking 1-2 shot kills lurking around every corner with so many different kinds of enemies it will make your head spin. Not too mention the hordes bosses that can 1 shot kill you if you do not know what the hell you are doing. It is not cheap either, you just learn from dying and either get better or keep dying. Put it this way, it is so challenging you are already dead on the cover art, lol.

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#11 karsa-orlong
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what the other people who have demons soul said. even when you're constantly dying, and you will be constantly dying, you just wanna play keep going at it. my favorite game this gen hands down.

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#12 mtradr43
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so....there is no english version of this?
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#13 NinjaMonky
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so....there is no english version of this?mtradr43
yes, the asian version is completely in english. the manual may not be though, but it's voiced and subtitled in full english. try buy-asia.com if interested
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[QUOTE="mtradr43"]so....there is no english version of this?NinjaMonky
yes, the asian version is completely in english. the manual may not be though, but it's voiced and subtitled in full english. try buy-asia.com if interested

so they released it in japan, but its in english? why not japanese. id just like to be able to read the menus and stuff so i know what im looking at,lol.
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#15 ironcreed
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so....there is no english version of this?mtradr43

Yes, the Asian version or the Korean version. The game itself has english voice acting, but these 2 versions are the only ones with english subtitles as well. The voice acting is very well done.

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so....there is no english version of this?mtradr43
There is, if you import the Hong Kong or Korean version of the game. As far as being the most hardcore, I would say it's definitely a contender. I love the game. I've heard things about NG2, but people say it's also full of cheap deaths while Demon's Souls is never cheap and still mega-hard.
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[QUOTE="NinjaMonky"][QUOTE="mtradr43"]so....there is no english version of this?mtradr43
yea, the asian version is completely in english. the manual may not be though, but it's voiced and subtitled in full english. try buy-asia.com if interested

so they released it in japan, but its in english? why not japanese. id just like to be able to read the menus and stuff so i know what im looking at,lol.

in the ***. version there is no english what so ever. but like others have said, the asian and kr versions are fully in english, except for the manuals. Well i;m not sure about the asian version, but i know that the korean vr's manual is in kr.
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I may get this game if it is import friendly. So far, everyone has informed us this game has English dialogue and English subtitles. The second most crucial element to hardcore RPGs are the interface and menus. Is the interface, GUI and menu also available in English? It's great to follow the story and all, but if I can't tell the difference between my +2 sword of illuminance to my +3 "sharpened" sword of "great" illuminance, then this hardcore RPG will most definitely be a tad bit harder to play and to master.

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[QUOTE="NinjaMonky"][QUOTE="mtradr43"][QUOTE="NinjaMonky"] yea, the asian version is completely in english. the manual may not be though, but it's voiced and subtitled in full english. try buy-asia.com if interested

so they released it in japan, but its in english? why not japanese. id just like to be able to read the menus and stuff so i know what im looking at,lol.

in the ***. version there is no english what so ever. but like others have said, the asian and kr versions are fully in english, except for the manuals. Well i;m not sure about the asian version, but i know that the korean vr's manual is in kr.

hmm, ill have to look into it, its a bit too costly atm to import a copy over, at least more costly than i would like to go at the moment. ill wait a few weeks, it doesnt sound like its going to be a huge seller, so the price should drop relatively quick.
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[QUOTE="Brainhunter"]I may get this game if it is important friendly. So far, everyone has informed us this game has English dialogue and English subtitles. The second most crucial element to hardcore RPGs are the interface and menus. Is the interface, GUI and menu also available in English? It's great to follow the story and all, but if I can't tell the difference between my +2 sword of illuminance to my +3 "sharpened" sword of "great" illuminance, then this hardcore RPG will most definitely be a tad bit harder to play and to master.

The entire game (as in, everything on the disc) will be in English. The only thing that won't be in English is the manual.
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#21 NinjaMonky
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[QUOTE="Brainhunter"]I may get this game if it is important friendly. So far, everyone has informed us this game has English dialogue and English subtitles. The second most crucial element to hardcore RPGs are the interface and menus. Is the interface, GUI and menu also available in English? It's great to follow the story and all, but if I can't tell the difference between my +2 sword of illuminance to my +3 "sharpened" sword of "great" illuminance, then this hardcore RPG will most definitely be a tad bit harder to play and to master.

EVERYTHING!!!! lol, except for the manual the game comes with
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I hope this turns out to be a decent RPG. I'm so hungry of some good magic and warriors adventures.

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#23 ironcreed
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[QUOTE="mtradr43"]so....there is no english version of this?LongZhiZi
There is, if you import the Hong Kong or Korean version of the game. As far as being the most hardcore, I would say it's definitely a contender. I love the game. I've heard things about NG2, but people say it's also full of cheap deaths while Demon's Souls is never cheap and still mega-hard.

Exactly, people need to understand it is not just some hack 'n slash either. This game is purely about you learning tactics and getting better by virtue of your own skill and knowing when and how to use what. This game will beat you to death with your own failure over and over until you figure out why you keep dying and then challenges you, dares you to overcome it. Like the Eurogamer review said, "It is all about facing the impossible...and winning." Therein lies the addiction and incredible immersion this game provides.

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#24 evilross
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I think Devil May Cry 4 could go toe to toe with this game for that title.

Hungry_Jello

I disagree. While Devil May Cry 4 has a challenging difficulty level, its not at all the same as Demon's Souls.

Also DMC 4 does not have the complexity of Demon's Souls.... armor, weapons, equipment, stats.... souls... everything is in play in Demon Soul's. Demon's Souls also has much more NPC interaction, a brutal online component, and a presesntant world that you create depending on your ingame actions.

DMC 4 is a high difficulty action game, while Demon's Souls is a hardcore, challenging, multifaceted, deep, RPG.

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the game is frutrating! if you die and you will easily die, you have to go back from the very beginning of the chapter, but I havent given it much chance though, the last time I played it I was being lazy, this game needs a lot of patience
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#26 mtradr43
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play asia has it for under 70 bucks, but the asian version is backordered, they only have the japan version in. also, something sad i seen in the one review was that it doesnt look as good as mass effect or wkc, two games that dont look especially great in most areas (well, me looks really good in cutscenes, and alright everywhere else)
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something id like to add....if they have a version that is in full english, why not release in europe and the us and them places? do they just not want to, or something like that?
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[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

I think Devil May Cry 4 could go toe to toe with this game for that title.

NinjaMonky

lol, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe if you had said DMC3 or NGB, but dmc4:o

I admit its not as hardcore as DMC 3 but its DMD mode can still make you cry on certain levels.

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#29 ironcreed
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Want the game shipped from WITHIN the US? Japanvideogames.com has the Asian version in stock NOW. They are in California and they ship within 24 hours. I ordered mine from there and got in about 2 days. So, if you want it without having to import you better hurry, as the game is selling like hot cakes. Here you go, if interested.

http://www.japanvideogames.com/Demon-s-Souls-Asia-Version-PS3-p/ps3j-demonsoulsasia.htm

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[QUOTE="mtradr43"]so....there is no english version of this?LongZhiZi
There is, if you import the Hong Kong or Korean version of the game. As far as being the most hardcore, I would say it's definitely a contender. I love the game. I've heard things about NG2, but people say it's also full of cheap deaths while Demon's Souls is never cheap and still mega-hard.

Yeah and it sucks I imported this from yesasia.com or whatever its called in the begging of April....i won't get it til June 12 as they have been SOLD OUT from popularity of people importing it... NOOOOOOOOOO....
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#31 NinjaMonky
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[QUOTE="NinjaMonky"][QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

I think Devil May Cry 4 could go toe to toe with this game for that title.

Hungry_Jello

lol, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe if you had said DMC3 or NGB, but dmc4:o

I admit its not as hardcore as DMC 3 but its DMD mode can still make you cry on certain levels.

hahaha, dmd mode is probably the easiest mode in that game
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I loved the trailer even though many, including myself, thought it was going to be a bad game.


I hope it comes to America.

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#33 ironcreed
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I loved the trailer even though many, including myself, thought it was going to be a bad game.


I hope it comes to America.

Alpha-Male22

LOL, that's the thing, it may not. You can get it with full english and english trophy support now, why take a chance on waiting?

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[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

[QUOTE="NinjaMonky"] lol, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe if you had said DMC3 or NGB, but dmc4:oNinjaMonky

I admit its not as hardcore as DMC 3 but its DMD mode can still make you cry on certain levels.

hahaha, dmd mode is probably the easiest mode in that game

Hahaha try playing the game and then get back to me.

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definitely the most hardcore game of this gen, and easily my favorite. I've got a noble soul lvl 87 in new game+ and after getting farmed by PvPers so hard tonight I've decided to keep that character to mess around on and make a new for-serious character since I know what I'm doing now :>.

In my opinion, sony probably only released it in japan since they saw it as more of a niche title, and since they offer it in full english already they may not decide to bring it over here...although if they did, I'd definitely be buying another copy!

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definitely the most hardcore game of this gen, and easily my favorite. I've got a noble soul lvl 87 in new game+ and after getting farmed by PvPers so hard tonight I've decided to keep that character to mess around on and make a new for-serious character since I know what I'm doing now :>.

In my opinion, sony probably only released it in japan since they saw it as more of a niche title, and since they offer it in full english already they may not decide to bring it over here...although if they did, I'd definitely be buying another copy!

Some-Mist
how is the english in it, is it well translated or is it like the chinese gold farmer type english on wow
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[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

definitely the most hardcore game of this gen, and easily my favorite. I've got a noble soul lvl 87 in new game+ and after getting farmed by PvPers so hard tonight I've decided to keep that character to mess around on and make a new for-serious character since I know what I'm doing now :>.

In my opinion, sony probably only released it in japan since they saw it as more of a niche title, and since they offer it in full english already they may not decide to bring it over here...although if they did, I'd definitely be buying another copy!

mtradr43

how is the english in it, is it well translated or is it like the chinese gold farmer type english on wow

The english is awesome. It doesn't really sound like anything got lost in translation although I'm sure a lot was. The one thing that got me for awhile was the notes people left online like, "this is hard, evaluate me", but after you play the game, you begin to realize it actually means this games hard! and rate this note so I can get some hp back!

there's a lot of cool dialogue if you actually talk to people, like the blacksmith for instance

"with your souls, I can eke out a living, and with my weapons, you can go on living, not a bad deal, eh?"

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#38 Nerd_Man
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Sony would be crazy not to release it in the States... It's one of the few new IP's that looks absolutely stunning to me.

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#39 mtradr43
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well, ill wait until play asia gets some back in stock or try to hit up ebay or something, that other site someone posted wanted 80 bucks before shipping for it, i aint going that far,lol.
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#40 NinjaMonky
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[QUOTE="NinjaMonky"][QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

I admit its not as hardcore as DMC 3 but its DMD mode can still make you cry on certain levels.

Hungry_Jello

hahaha, dmd mode is probably the easiest mode in that game

Hahaha try playing the game and then get back to me.

lol, really one hit kills for both u and the enemy. all you have to do is shoot ur way out

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#41 mtradr43
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is it open world like oblivion and stuff? how do you level, are there varied skills and what not to pick from? i havent seen any previews for this besides a video i saw a long time ago.
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#42 Andrew_Xavier
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Not even close. Disgaea 3 has been, and will always be the game that only "Hardcore" gamers could love.

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#43 Some-Mist
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is it open world like oblivion and stuff? how do you level, are there varied skills and what not to pick from? i havent seen any previews for this besides a video i saw a long time ago.mtradr43

souls are used for everything, currency when it comes to repairing weapons, upgrading weapons, buying miracles, buying magic, buying stats, and each time you buy a stat you're soul level goes up one, upping your physical defense (leveling up). boss demon's souls are used to choose between 3 things (sometimes only 2 or 1 tho) and those are miracles, magic, and upgrading weapons.

everything's split up into 5 dungeons, filled with 3-4 levels, and 1-4 areas per level. there's too much to explain really...so if you're interested you might as well look up the demon's souls wiki since that could answer all your questions..and if not, check the demon's souls forum cause people have probably already asked it.

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#44 Bigboi500
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Are you confusing hardcore with niche and mature?

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#45 Filthybastrd
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Taking reviews into account, I'll import this game if it nothing is announced soon.

If by hardcore you mean: Not particularly accesable, very hard and ultimately rewarding then yes. I'm guessing it's the most hardcore game this gen.

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#46 nethernova
Member since 2008 • 5721 Posts
I so want this game but I'm still hesitating. I've got a few question about the online part. Do you have any influence on who is able to invade your game? Like from what region those people are? Can you tell if he's from the other side of the world? Is lag a problem then?
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#47 lusitanogamer
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I hope Sony brings this game to the west. I really want to play it.
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#48 CTR360
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i have the korean version this week i cant wait
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#49 JLF1
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Are you confusing hardcore with niche and mature?

Bigboi500

I think he uses the word complex.

It's not because it's a mature game or that it's in a niche genre but that it's a so very deep and complex game.

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#50 Squeets
Member since 2006 • 8185 Posts

I might have to give it a go just because I loved Chomehounds...