Is GoldenEye in your opinion still one of the greatest shooters of all time?

[QUOTE="rogue_leader_5"]I think it is. Hope they don't take the rumble feature out when they release it on the Wii VC.salzdaprinze

I think it is.

Halo catered to the casual. PD catered to the hardcore. PD has so much more depth than Halo series could ever dream of having. Plus the guns in PD are so much better. Of course, when speaking of depth, Dues Ex always owns everything in the FPS department. But still PD > Halo. Sorry. And if you are THAT much of a baby when it comes to controls where you can throw out one of the greatest and most influential games of all time, then I really feel sorry for you. You need better taste. Halo was great but was garbage compared to others in the industry. I partially blame Halo for the crap that is the modern console FPS.

organic_machine

PD isn't hardcore, and never catered to it, quit dreaming.

And how much more depth did it have? Bots?  One thing.  Try comparing the MP of PD and Halo/Halo 2, it's not even comparable.  Halo's gameplay mechanics completely blow those of PD out of the water.  I'm not even going to bring PC FPS into this because it would be a landslide.

PD and Goldeney were just great console shooters, but in the grand scheme of things were average and ruined by horrible controls. 

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

Halo catered to the casual. PD catered to the hardcore. PD has so much more depth than Halo series could ever dream of having. Plus the guns in PD are so much better. Of course, when speaking of depth, Dues Ex always owns everything in the FPS department. But still PD > Halo. Sorry. And if you are THAT much of a baby when it comes to controls where you can throw out one of the greatest and most influential games of all time, then I really feel sorry for you. You need better taste. Halo was great but was garbage compared to others in the industry. I partially blame Halo for the crap that is the modern console FPS.

Donkey_Puncher

PD isn't hardcore, and never catered to it, quit dreaming.

And how much more depth did it have? Bots?  One thing.  Try comparing the MP of PD and Halo/Halo 2, it's not even comparable.  Halo's gameplay mechanics completely blow those of PD out of the water.  I'm not even going to bring PC FPS into this because it would be a landslide.

PD and Goldeney were just great console shooters, but in the grand scheme of things were average and ruined by horrible controls. 

Not just bots. PD had challenges, it had dozens of weapons, it had dozens of customizble matches. dude, halo sucks. halo always has sucked. shut up about halo. I would rather play PD with the lap top gun and tranquilizers with the hundreds of possibilties of bots then stupid halo with its lame sword and over powered shotgun. seriously, I can do SO much more in PD than Halo. Also, I would take PD over hlaf life 2. Yes, I said it. I am a hermit who hates all three next gen consoles and I just said I'd take PD over HL2. If you don't like it, go home.

Not just bots. PD had challenges, it had dozens of weapons, it had dozens of customizble matches. dude, halo sucks. halo always has sucked. shut up about halo. I would rather play PD with the lap top gun and tranquilizers with the hundreds of possibilties of bots then stupid halo with its lame sword and over powered shotgun. seriously, I can do SO much more in PD than Halo. Also, I would take PD over hlaf life 2. Yes, I said it. I am a hermit who hates all three next gen consoles and I just said I'd take PD over HL2. If you don't like it, go home.

organic_machine

Halo>>>>PD Single Player and Co-op. 

Halo>>>>PD Muliplayer.  Offers tons of gametypes, balanced weapons for the most part, Dual Wielding, Vehicles, Gun butting, Grenades with tagging, Assault gamemode, and Boarding vehicles.  The Gameplay in MP is far more varied than anything in PD

Halo>>>>PD in controls.  The N64 had horrible controls for a FPS shooting.  Dual offset analog completely blows PD away in this area.

Halo is a just better game overall.  Bots can't make up for the overall better gameplay mechanics of Halo's SP and MP modes.

and Finally, Half-Life 2 takes massive wet dumps on PD.  You're entitled to your OPINION, but Im' quite sure more people would disagree with you. 

[QUOTE="Nintega91"][QUOTE="Gears360"]

goldeneye was just good for console players

since PC FPS are 100x better than goldeneye (quake 1 and 2 back then) 

beerm_basic

Quake 2 was/is crap

O NO HE DIDNT JUST SLATE QUAKE 2.

quake 2 is one of my fav shooters :(

goldeneye is still legendary

Sadly i did, i just didnt enjoy it as much as the first.

Sadly i did, i just didnt enjoy it as much as the first.

Nintega91

I could understand Quake 3, but Quake 2?  I loved it.

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

Not just bots. PD had challenges, it had dozens of weapons, it had dozens of customizble matches. dude, halo sucks. halo always has sucked. shut up about halo. I would rather play PD with the lap top gun and tranquilizers with the hundreds of possibilties of bots then stupid halo with its lame sword and over powered shotgun. seriously, I can do SO much more in PD than Halo. Also, I would take PD over hlaf life 2. Yes, I said it. I am a hermit who hates all three next gen consoles and I just said I'd take PD over HL2. If you don't like it, go home.

Donkey_Puncher

Halo>>>>PD Single Player and Co-op. 

Halo>>>>PD Muliplayer.  Offers tons of gametypes, balanced weapons for the most part, Dual Wielding, Vehicles, Gun butting, Grenades with tagging, Assault gamemode, and Boarding vehicles.  The Gameplay in MP is far more varied than anything in PD

Halo>>>>PD in controls.  The N64 had horrible controls for a FPS shooting.  Dual offset analog completely blows PD away in this area.

Halo is a just better game overall.  Bots can't make up for the overall better gameplay mechanics of Halo's SP and MP modes.

and Finally, Half-Life 2 takes massive wet dumps on PD.  You're entitled to your OPINION, but Im' quite sure more people would disagree with you. 

yeah, the n00bs

truth is, PD did more for the gamers than any other game. halo just dropped some multiplayer levels and that's it, the options in PD were, quite frankly, endless.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="organic_machine"]

Not just bots. PD had challenges, it had dozens of weapons, it had dozens of customizble matches. dude, halo sucks. halo always has sucked. shut up about halo. I would rather play PD with the lap top gun and tranquilizers with the hundreds of possibilties of bots then stupid halo with its lame sword and over powered shotgun. seriously, I can do SO much more in PD than Halo. Also, I would take PD over hlaf life 2. Yes, I said it. I am a hermit who hates all three next gen consoles and I just said I'd take PD over HL2. If you don't like it, go home.

theBeorn

Halo>>>>PD Single Player and Co-op. 

Halo>>>>PD Muliplayer.  Offers tons of gametypes, balanced weapons for the most part, Dual Wielding, Vehicles, Gun butting, Grenades with tagging, Assault gamemode, and Boarding vehicles.  The Gameplay in MP is far more varied than anything in PD

Halo>>>>PD in controls.  The N64 had horrible controls for a FPS shooting.  Dual offset analog completely blows PD away in this area.

Halo is a just better game overall.  Bots can't make up for the overall better gameplay mechanics of Halo's SP and MP modes.

and Finally, Half-Life 2 takes massive wet dumps on PD.  You're entitled to your OPINION, but Im' quite sure more people would disagree with you. 

yeah, the n00bs

truth is, PD did more for the gamers than any other game. halo just dropped some multiplayer levels and that's it, the options in PD were, quite frankly, endless.

What good are endless game types with bots if the core gameplay mechanics are inferior and crippled by it's controls?

[QUOTE="theBeorn"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="organic_machine"]

Not just bots. PD had challenges, it had dozens of weapons, it had dozens of customizble matches. dude, halo sucks. halo always has sucked. shut up about halo. I would rather play PD with the lap top gun and tranquilizers with the hundreds of possibilties of bots then stupid halo with its lame sword and over powered shotgun. seriously, I can do SO much more in PD than Halo. Also, I would take PD over hlaf life 2. Yes, I said it. I am a hermit who hates all three next gen consoles and I just said I'd take PD over HL2. If you don't like it, go home.

Donkey_Puncher

Halo>>>>PD Single Player and Co-op. 

Halo>>>>PD Muliplayer.  Offers tons of gametypes, balanced weapons for the most part, Dual Wielding, Vehicles, Gun butting, Grenades with tagging, Assault gamemode, and Boarding vehicles.  The Gameplay in MP is far more varied than anything in PD

Halo>>>>PD in controls.  The N64 had horrible controls for a FPS shooting.  Dual offset analog completely blows PD away in this area.

Halo is a just better game overall.  Bots can't make up for the overall better gameplay mechanics of Halo's SP and MP modes.

and Finally, Half-Life 2 takes massive wet dumps on PD.  You're entitled to your OPINION, but Im' quite sure more people would disagree with you. 

yeah, the n00bs

truth is, PD did more for the gamers than any other game. halo just dropped some multiplayer levels and that's it, the options in PD were, quite frankly, endless.

What good are endless game types with bots if the core gameplay mechanics are inferior and crippled by it's controls?

Core gameplay mechanics are inferior??? You need to play PD first before claiming something like that...

Halo doesn't have the gameplay strategy of PD. The mess you can do with a thrown dragon, laptop gun, and many other weapons in PD is endless.

Anyone who played PD seriously know what I'm talking about. 

No, Half Life 2 is.hongkingkong

Both PD and GE suck.......by today's standards. Technology ha come a long way and gave us better graphics, better framerates. better control, more realistic gameplay, better everything.

I tried to get into both GE and PD just a couple of days ago, Oh boy I had the most sick feeling in my stomach, head and eyes.

GE- The framerates are horrible, the enemies are dumb as a post and they dont fire at you unless your are lined up in their eyesight, so it looks stupid while you are on some stairs and they cant see you. Almost every environment was dark and the draw distances were horrible. The controls are alright but not ideal for a FPS. Leave GE in its basking glory, no need to bring it to VC because it will be pointless and no one will play it because that game will make them sick.

PD- Oh the horrible bright lights that make your eyes tear up, jerky animations. horrible AI(better than GE though because they shoot at you whereever you are), subpar controls. horrible aiming system, awful framerates, bad graphics.

Well just leave them alone we have moved on to better things and I dont want a return to this crap. I am glad they released PD0 on the 360 with better everything and I actually dont get sick playing it and it is satisfying to play PD the way it was meant to be played.

I truly believe Rare should have scrapped PD for the 64 and moved it to the Cube so we could get better framerates, graphics, and better everything.

[QUOTE="theBeorn"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="organic_machine"]

Not just bots. PD had challenges, it had dozens of weapons, it had dozens of customizble matches. dude, halo sucks. halo always has sucked. shut up about halo. I would rather play PD with the lap top gun and tranquilizers with the hundreds of possibilties of bots then stupid halo with its lame sword and over powered shotgun. seriously, I can do SO much more in PD than Halo. Also, I would take PD over hlaf life 2. Yes, I said it. I am a hermit who hates all three next gen consoles and I just said I'd take PD over HL2. If you don't like it, go home.

Donkey_Puncher

Halo>>>>PD Single Player and Co-op. 

Halo>>>>PD Muliplayer.  Offers tons of gametypes, balanced weapons for the most part, Dual Wielding, Vehicles, Gun butting, Grenades with tagging, Assault gamemode, and Boarding vehicles.  The Gameplay in MP is far more varied than anything in PD

Halo>>>>PD in controls.  The N64 had horrible controls for a FPS shooting.  Dual offset analog completely blows PD away in this area.

Halo is a just better game overall.  Bots can't make up for the overall better gameplay mechanics of Halo's SP and MP modes.

and Finally, Half-Life 2 takes massive wet dumps on PD.  You're entitled to your OPINION, but Im' quite sure more people would disagree with you. 

yeah, the n00bs

truth is, PD did more for the gamers than any other game. halo just dropped some multiplayer levels and that's it, the options in PD were, quite frankly, endless.

What good are endless game types with bots if the core gameplay mechanics are inferior and crippled by it's controls?

CONTROLS MEAN NOTHING! Seriously, get over it. The core GP mechanics are fine! Its just that poesky controller you hate. If so, thats your problem thats hindering you from enjoying an almost perfect game.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="organic_machine"]

Halo catered to the casual. PD catered to the hardcore. PD has so much more depth than Halo series could ever dream of having. Plus the guns in PD are so much better. Of course, when speaking of depth, Dues Ex always owns everything in the FPS department. But still PD > Halo. Sorry. And if you are THAT much of a baby when it comes to controls where you can throw out one of the greatest and most influential games of all time, then I really feel sorry for you. You need better taste. Halo was great but was garbage compared to others in the industry. I partially blame Halo for the crap that is the modern console FPS.

organic_machine

PD isn't hardcore, and never catered to it, quit dreaming.

And how much more depth did it have? Bots? One thing. Try comparing the MP of PD and Halo/Halo 2, it's not even comparable. Halo's gameplay mechanics completely blow those of PD out of the water. I'm not even going to bring PC FPS into this because it would be a landslide.

PD and Goldeney were just great console shooters, but in the grand scheme of things were average and ruined by horrible controls.

Not just bots. PD had challenges, it had dozens of weapons, it had dozens of customizble matches. dude, halo sucks. halo always has sucked. shut up about halo. I would rather play PD with the lap top gun and tranquilizers with the hundreds of possibilties of bots then stupid halo with its lame sword and over powered shotgun. seriously, I can do SO much more in PD than Halo. Also, I would take PD over hlaf life 2. Yes, I said it. I am a hermit who hates all three next gen consoles and I just said I'd take PD over HL2. If you don't like it, go home.

You are a hermit but you would take PD over HL2 wtf have you been smoking (takes a hit) "Yeah goldeneye is the greatest fps of all time and I see dead people.":lol: 

[QUOTE="organic_machine"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="organic_machine"]

Halo catered to the casual. PD catered to the hardcore. PD has so much more depth than Halo series could ever dream of having. Plus the guns in PD are so much better. Of course, when speaking of depth, Dues Ex always owns everything in the FPS department. But still PD > Halo. Sorry. And if you are THAT much of a baby when it comes to controls where you can throw out one of the greatest and most influential games of all time, then I really feel sorry for you. You need better taste. Halo was great but was garbage compared to others in the industry. I partially blame Halo for the crap that is the modern console FPS.

BrooklynBomber

PD isn't hardcore, and never catered to it, quit dreaming.

And how much more depth did it have? Bots? One thing. Try comparing the MP of PD and Halo/Halo 2, it's not even comparable. Halo's gameplay mechanics completely blow those of PD out of the water. I'm not even going to bring PC FPS into this because it would be a landslide.

PD and Goldeney were just great console shooters, but in the grand scheme of things were average and ruined by horrible controls.

Not just bots. PD had challenges, it had dozens of weapons, it had dozens of customizble matches. dude, halo sucks. halo always has sucked. shut up about halo. I would rather play PD with the lap top gun and tranquilizers with the hundreds of possibilties of bots then stupid halo with its lame sword and over powered shotgun. seriously, I can do SO much more in PD than Halo. Also, I would take PD over hlaf life 2. Yes, I said it. I am a hermit who hates all three next gen consoles and I just said I'd take PD over HL2. If you don't like it, go home.

You are a hermit but you would take PD over HL2 wtf have you been smoking (takes a hit) "Yeah goldeneye is the greatest fps of all time and I see dead people.":lol: 

Just because I am a hermit does not mean that I ADORE HL2. FYI, I did enjoy HL2 very much. BUT I do believe that it had some very strong faults. In that sense, I like PD better, because PD did more than I ever believed it could actually do.

CONTROLS MEAN NOTHING! Seriously, get over it. The core GP mechanics are fine! Its just that poesky controller you hate. If so, thats your problem thats hindering you from enjoying an almost perfect game. organic_machine

Imagine a FPS with the absolute best graphics and AI ever made. The music is wonderful, and there are many game modes (as well as intelligent bots in multiplayer).

Awesome game right?

But the controls involve using a practically useless joystick and a single button. The controls will be horribly unresponsive. Moving the joystick will send your character flying in that direction at 140 mph. Hitting the button will fire a bullet at a random point on your screen.

Not so awesome now, huh?

To be honest...It is a toss up between Golden Eye and Half Life for the greatest shooter ever,(Sorry Halo)

The problem with the two is...It is hard to judge since one was just PC and one was just Consule. Its like Half Life had that original Story but Golden Eye had a way better single player set up(Replay Value, Missions, Etc). So they kind of counter balance each out there.

And for Mutliplayer it is the samething. Half Life offer that online experience...While Goldeneye was that party. Again. They kind of counter balance each other out. 

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]CONTROLS MEAN NOTHING! Seriously, get over it. The core GP mechanics are fine! Its just that poesky controller you hate. If so, thats your problem thats hindering you from enjoying an almost perfect game. Game_Addict247

Imagine a FPS with the absolute best graphics and AI ever made. The music is wonderful, and there are many game modes (as well as intelligent bots in multiplayer).

Awesome game right?

But the controls involve using a practically useless joystick and a single button. The controls will be horribly unresponsive. Moving the joystick will send your character flying in that direction at 140 mph. Hitting the button will fire a bullet at a random point on your screen.

Not so awesome now, huh?

alright alright, I exaggerated a little. But the N64 is far far from that. It is very usable. And that was my point.

yup,that game's multiplayer was so fun,that i can't describe it in words.i loved lining the hallways with remote mines and waiting for my friends to go into it and then blow them all up..:twisted:ah the memories.mlbslugger86

[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]it was good back then, but if I go play it now...it would lose its glorified image I have of it now.tcc024

That's what happened to me, after I was done I was like "man this game sucks".

Yeah, I revisited goldeneye, and was jaded.  Mostly because I used to have such fond memories of how great it looked, but now it shows some show-stopping flaws.  Mainly the piss-poor framerates and AI. 

IMO.

Perfect Dark > Goldeneye

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="SeanBond"]While obviously by today's standards Goldeneye's graphics and gameplay aren't exactly groundbreaking, the same can be said about any classic game. The thing that makes Goldeneye unique to me (and one of the best FPS ever) is its sense of atmosphere. The level design in the game is very strong (limited again only by the graphics), and the additional objectives on higher difficulties are something that add a lot to the game, and that even today, a lot of FPS games don't have (I'm looking at you, Halo). Finally, I personally felt that the music in the game was absolutely perfect for the atmosphere they were trying to portray. Would I rather have a next-gen remake with better graphics? Sure. But until then, I'm more than happy to settle for the N64 version (or God willing, the VC or Xbox Live version)...organic_machine

exactly, console FPS are ruined by Halo's simplistic design and impact on the industry. IF consoles still had games like Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, I wouldnt have a problem with console gaming. Dont you lemmings bring up PDZ, that game was the most pathetic piece of crap I have ever played.

No, Halo is far supior to Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. The controls alone are crippling compared to it, not to mention Halo's SP and MP are also far superior.

Halo catered to the casual. PD catered to the hardcore. PD has so much more depth than Halo series could ever dream of having. Plus the guns in PD are so much better. Of course, when speaking of depth, Dues Ex always owns everything in the FPS department. But still PD > Halo. Sorry. And if you are THAT much of a baby when it comes to controls where you can throw out one of the greatest and most influential games of all time, then I really feel sorry for you. You need better taste. Halo was great but was garbage compared to others in the industry. I partially blame Halo for the crap that is the modern console FPS.